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Saturday, March 11, 2017

How does this benefit Americans?

The travel-ban casualty the White House is ignoring
President Trump’s travel ban is creating turmoil in U.S. laboratories. It is discouraging foreign scientists from coming to the United States, and it is creating a climate of insecurity and fear among many of those who are already here. It is threatening collaborative research projects involving U.S. and foreign scientists. And it is disrupting the flow of international students to U.S. universities. 
As reported in the journal Nature, foreign-born scientists are reconsidering their plans to work or study in the United States because of Trump’s actions on immigration. Meanwhile, administrators at Harvard University have cautioned foreign students and faculty about potential problems of reentry after traveling outside the United States. Such fears could have serious consequences for research and education in this country. Although the administration limited the scope of its 90-day travel ban to six majority-Muslim nations, the president’s heated rhetoric has raised fears and created a climate of uncertainty about his administration’s longer-term plans and intentions. 
We have already seen a precipitous drop in applications to some U.S. engineering schools from international students, who are vital to science, technology, engineering and math graduate programs at universities. According to data from the National Science Foundation, foreign nationals represent more than 70 percent of full-time graduate students in electrical engineering, 63 percent in computer science and about half of all engineering faculty members. But the latest figures from many universities are worrisome. International applications for Dartmouth College’s master’s in engineering management are down 30 percent; at Vanderbilt University, engineering graduate applications from international students have declined 18 percent. The timing and application deadlines suggest that these drops may be due to Trump’s campaign rhetoric rather than the recent travel bans. 
The United States has long benefited from the contributions of foreign-born scientists and engineers. Examples abound: Nearly a third of all science Nobel laureates who won their prizes while working in the United States were foreign born. Approximately 40 percent of Fortune 500 firms — including such tech-based giants as Google, Intel, eBay, and Apple — were started by immigrants or children of immigrants. More than five out of six patents in information technology in the United States in 2010 listed a foreign national among the inventors. In view of such contributions, the government should be doing more to attract foreign talent, not driving it away.

So the major take away we should get out of this is that there simply are not enough gifted American born students to fill out or college campuses?  That there is not enough American born adults with the necessary skill to perform technical jobs like engineering and computer technology?

Because that appears to be the argument, and the solution certainly isn't to fix our ailing public school system, or provide American born children with the means to make expanded educational choices. The solution seems to be a matter of us conceding that our country no longer can produce top prospects and therefore we should subsequently make it easier for companies like Amazon and Microsoft to hire foreign workers via work Visas.

Of course, this benefits who exactly?

For starters it benefits companies like Amazon and Microsoft. Many visa workers make pennies to the dollar versus their American peers. The more visa workers they have. The less they pay in salaries. The higher the profits. Isn't it convenient that there just isn't enough bright and hard working native born Americans that they otherwise might hire?

It also benefits the public schools and the unions that represent them. They are free to turn out students who do not meet the same major core educational standards that either previous generations of American students do or that foreign born students do. American schools drop out of the top three, top ten, top fifteen... and nobody seems to be alarmed. At least we are in the top twenty, and we have plenty of foreign students who can come here and take the jobs we are not preparing our own children to perform.

Who doesn't benefit? Those who are born and raised here in the United States who may someday want one of these high paying engineer or technical jobs, or may want their children to grow up and garner the same. Why should a naturalized American encourage American Companies and the American Government to politically collude in order to provide education and jobs for foreigners that could otherwise benefit our own?

Somebody please answer that question in a logical, reasonable fashion that does not simply involve calling me a racist?




30 comments:

opie said...

somebody please answer that question in a logical, reasonable fashion that does not simply involve calling me a racist?
How about playing with yourself since you are trolling, thinking your screed is a superior argument of nothing. Sad....play your own game, you should learn brevity is your friend and I don't have the intestinal fortitude to wade through your warped thinking. I hope you get more response than the last 2 mind games you tried.

C.H. Truth said...

Opie...

This is simple. You don't have a reasonable argument, or you would make it.

opie said...


This is simple. You don't have a reasonable argument, or you would make it.

It is simple....masturbate yourself, not interested in your fantasy.

Loretta Russo said...

Someone seems a tad bit angry......

Commonsense said...

He's especially cranky today.

He must have missed his nap.

wphamilton said...

I guess it benefits the Americans who run the Universities. And there is a school of thought at American education somehow Americanizes foreign students which pays off future dividends. I'm not sure that I buy that either reason truly benefits Americans in general.

Although, personally when I attended in the late 70's, I recall that the vast majority of my friendships were with foreign nationals so it's undeniable that there was some sort of benefit. You wouldn't want me to have had no friends, would you CH?

Roger Amick said...

I don't think that we push the technology and scientific curriculum in our K though 12 systems.

opie said...

This is simple. You don't have a reasonable argument, or you would make i

As predicted, the overwhelming debate you inspired shows that your righties, menstral and loretta, can add nothing to the discourse other than inane name calling. Kudos to roger and WP for actually taking the bait, and for me ignoring it. LOL

Commonsense said...

The headline here is:

"Dumb-ass acting like a dumb-ass and then congratulates himself for being a dumb-ass.

Commonsense said...

I don't think that we push the technology and scientific curriculum in our K though 12 systems.

Yes, but they are thoroughly traing on fitting condoms to bananas.

Roger Amick said...

The travel ban has been rejected by the courts. It looks like the revised version won't pass either.

Commonsense said...

Maybe you just stop making predictions?

Oh shit, just go right on ahead.

This should be good.

opie said...

Yes menstral child, you called it perfectly......LOL


Blogger Commonsense said...
"Dumb-ass acting like a dumb-ass and then congratulates himself for being a dumb-ass.

Yes, but they are thoroughly trying on fitting condoms to bananas.

BTW, i am enjoying the WH concerted effort to call the CBO projections trash. Gee, wonder why that is??????

opie said...

You a millionaire menstral? If not, you be taking it up your rear for your trump support. Plus your premium is going to sky rocket with the elimination of the rate cap in your age group. I hope you enjoy the screwing and make sure you say thank you. BTW, this is the increase CH denied was going to happen since he gets it also.

Roger Amick said...

This blog would be a better place, if your father had worn one.

Loretta Russo said...

Says the obnoxious spammer, WHOM ruined the original blog.

Loretta Russo said...

"So the major take away we should get out of this is that there simply are not enough gifted American born students to fill out or college campuses?"

Exactly, but you can't blame the teacher's union for this one...

It's the teachers themselves to blame. The majority see themselves as a superior intellect, when you couldn't fill a gymnasium with enough brainpower or common sense to float a boat.

The majority of tenured professors are even worse.

My PhD brothers and son say the same.

C.H. Truth said...

Americans used to be proud of the fact that we produced some of the great economic, scientific, and artistic minds. American exceptionalism.

Now we do what we always do with everything. We outsources our exceptionalism.

Commonsense said...

Says the obnoxious spammer, WHOM ruined the original blog.

Happy days are here again.

So Roger is a little cranky.

OPIE said...

Commonsense and Loretta said...
Says the obnoxious spammer, WHOM ruined the original blog.

My opinion says you and loretta have ruined every thread and blog with such cogent thoughts as presented on this slice of heaven. All you 2 have done is acted like the juveniles you are with trollish comments trying to elicit a reaction. Well, you win, again. BTW CH, you still have never refuted minstrels posit that there was .2% growth. My guess you don't have the ballz to say so. Another big man with nothing hanging below. LOL

Commonsense said...

♪♪♪ Happy days are here again ♪♪♪
♪♪♪ The skies above are clear again ♪♪♪
♪♪♪ So let's sing a song of cheer again ♪♪♪
♪♪♪ Happy days are here again ♪♪♪

KD, Today is hug a liberal Day said...

I have noticed that the leftist of this blog have become increasingly angry, I for one can see why, after all they had the election in the bag, the press was all in, reporting all things Trump in a negative and all things Hillary in a white light of Hope and continuing "The * Lost Years".

Then came the night of Nov 8th 2016, hope faded, then no concession speech from Hillary and then well the early hours of Nov 9th, 2016, when the impossible Happened.

Those in the US Heartland voted and the outcome was the Election of President Trump.

Let that set in, the devastation was on every lip on TV, the heavily invest Press saw their power gone in a flash. The Establishment Democrat cuddle the Establishment Republican and cried.

It was a wonder night/morning.

SO let us help our beloved leftist thru this with the helpful healing words of the Former Prez "sit down, shut up, I won".

Loretta Russo said...

"Americans used to be proud of the fact that we produced some of the great economic, scientific, and artistic minds. American exceptionalism."

Liberals ruined American exceptionalism.

Don't know what it is with the majority of them, but they're actually embarrassed that we're the greatest experiment the world has ever known....

Damnedest thing I've ever seen.

Loretta Russo said...

Comment on the CNN....

"Oh, butt hurt liberals. I love to watch liberals as they writhe and lament in facing the fact that Trump is president. Too bad we can't turn liberal tears into renewable energy."

Excellent, LOL.

opie said...

Silly question, CH, since you obviously have an eidetic memory when it comes to your writings, did you ever write a positive piece when economic news surpassed expectations????? I'll just guess that was not part of your agenda of obama bashing. An example of what you did not write about.

Jobs & Unemployment
Now that 2014 has gone on the books as the best year for employment growth in 15 years, the official figures show that the U.S. had 6,371,000 more people employed in December than it did when Obama took office in 2009. So during Obama’s first six years in office, the U.S. has added nearly five times more jobs than it did during the entire eight years under President George W. Bush. (Bush’s total was just under 1.3 million.)
Bush’s record suffered from a loss of nearly 4.4 million jobs in the last 12 months of his presidency, and we can’t say what the last two years of Obama’s tenure will bring.
The official unemployment rate has now dipped to 5.6 percent, which is 2.2 percentage points below where it was when Obama first took office. It is not only the lowest jobless rate in six years — it is slightly better than the historical average. Since 1948, the monthly jobless rate has averaged 5.8 percent.

C.H. Truth said...

Now that 2014 has gone on the books as the best year for employment growth in 15 years, the official figures show that the U.S. had 6,371,000 more people employed in December than it did when Obama took office in 2009.

Interestingly in 2009 we had 139,869,000 people 16 and older as part of the potential workforce. In 2016 we had 151,436,000 people 16 and older as part of the potential workforce.

That means we added approximately 11.5 million people into the potential workforce, but only 6.37 million more Americans are employed.

But yet... unemployment went down?

And people wonder why anyone suggests that we are seeing "fake numbers".

C.H. Truth said...

https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat01.htm

opie said...

Interesting is you are arguing that the data I posted is somehow lacking. Not the point, you didn't write anything about it at the time. Sorry, you lose again. Gotcha. Chuckle.

C.H. Truth said...

Opie - first of all...

You seem to be arguing that Obama created approximately 6.4 million jobs, when we just got into a debate about the claims that he created 20 million, which was eventually reduced to 15 million... which you are now sort of admitting was over-inflated as well.

So you are joining "my" argument that in real terms, those claims of 15-20 million new jobs do not sync with how many more people actually claim to working.

Secondly... even admitting (as you did) that the Obama Administration only added about 66,666 new workers each month (6.4 million divided by the number of months in office)...

You still left out that the number of people who left the workforce (from 2008 to 2016) over doubled the increase in the number of people employed (from 2008 to 2016).


I think that its relevant statistic... and a large reason why so many people were skeptical (and still are) of the unemployment number.

opie said...


You seem to be arguing that Obama created approximately 6.4 million jobs, when we just got into a debate about the claims that he created 20 million

I am not arguing anything. You are. I posted a legitimate article from a real source and all you present is your cut and interpretation of a number. You lose again. But thanx for playing and never posting a single positive piece of economic news under obama. That is the point I made and you are the one changing the subject to your naive opinion and words. Keep trying, alternate facts are what you do best.