Wednesday, February 7, 2018

Trump willing to shut down Government to get Immigration fixes passed...

I'd love to see a shut down 
President Trump said Tuesday that he would “love to see a shutdown” over immigration if Democrats don’t come to the table to negotiate on border security and other stiff enforcement measures, escalating the stakes with less than four weeks to go before a deadline for action. “If we have to shut it down because the Democrats don’t want safety … let’s shut it down,” the president said at a White House roundtable discussion on MS-13 gang violence and illegal immigration. 

 The tough talk seemed to upend congressional Republicans’ carefully crafted strategy of avoiding shutdown threats, hoping to pin blame on Democrats if the government did tumble into another stoppage.

_______

At this point, I don't believe it's about "blame" anymore. We have had so many threats of Government shut downs, we have had actual shut downs, and I really don't feel that most people really feel any personal impact, much less a major one. Other than politicians trying to blame each other, while the media takes sides, the shut down itself (if it happens) is likely to have little impact.

Ultimately people would rather we "not" shut down the government over politics. Most believe that our congress should see funding the Government as a responsibility that supersedes other legislative priorities. Polling almost always suggests that Americans don't like politicians holding the budget and spending allocations hostage over policy, regardless of the popularity of that policy.

Moreover, when it comes to immigration... both sides hold very popular positions. A vast majority of Americans support some form of a DACA fix. By two to one margins, people want to replace chain migration and the visa lottery system with a more targeted skill based immigration policy (even if this significantly lowers the number of immigrants). More border security is almost a universal issue that people agree with in some form or the other.

There is no reason why both sides cannot agree to a deal that includes everything that the American public wants. But there seems to be a growing "resistance" so to speak for doing just that. The Democrats are under a great deal of pressure from their rabid base to push through a DACA fix either as a stand alone deal, or with only minimal concessions to popular (but politically damaging) policies pushed by the GOP.

The President is pushing for a DACA fix that would include a pathway to citizenship. In doing so he is standing up to the most conservative of his base. But for him to stand up to his base, he needs to know that Democrats are willing to meet him halfway. They too should be willing to concede that the President has proposals that have widespread support (outside of the Democratic far left base)... and be willing to stand up to their base as well. Failure to do so, would show that they ultimately place partisanship above partnership.

If the President successfully frames this debate in this manner... he looks like the adult in the room. What does it say about the state of affairs in Washington, when Donald Trump becomes the voice of reason?

93 comments:

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

when Donald Trump becomes the voice of reason?

Oh my goodness.

Trumpism run amok again

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Yes, there is a cult of Trump. But that's because we have a cult of the presidency in this country. It infects not just our understanding of the office, but of the person holding it. When Obama acted like a king — by his own definition — liberals cheered, because their loyalty was to the man, not the office. It's getting worse with Trump, but this dynamic has been getting worse for decades. And I suspect it won't improve much when he's gone.

jgoldberg@latimescolumnists.com

I don't agree that Obama was a cult classic leader like Trump. But you are a prime example of how Trump has won and drawn you into the cult.

C.H. Truth said...

Roger -

Explain specifically where I am wrong.

- Is Donald Trump not standing up to his base by offering amnesty to 1.8 Dreamers?

- Are you arguing that ending chain migration and the visa lottery are not popular policies?

- Do you believe that the Democrats look willing to stand up to their base in order to make a deal?

Where am I wrong?



This is very specifically why people mock you Roger and believe you have nothing to add to the debate.

Because rather than address something that is being written, you go straight to name calling and Trump bashing?

Make a real argument. Please?

Anonymous said...

I don't agree that Obama was a cult classic leader like Trump.
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


of course you don't. when one is standing in a dense wood, it's impossible to see the forest for the trees.

and you can quit with your psychological projection. being quite satisfied up to this point with trump's policies does not equal membership in a cult. my 401K is rocking, my paycheck is bigger, and the left is being driven stark raving fucking mad by the guy. what's not to like?

oh, and his military parade idea? one of his best trolls to date. he's already drawing all of the typical trump is hitler / stalin / kim jong un / etc. comparisons just for floating the idea.

heh.

he owns your ass so much i just might have to make room for him inside your skull.

i'd charge him rent if i were you, alky. he is a billionaire after all.

C.H. Truth said...

On cue...

Roger posts an unrelated article about a "Trump cult"...

WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE THREAD!!!

and everything to do with Roger's obsession.


Is Roger too dumb to stay on topic, or too emotionally distraught to not continuously attack everything Trump? Lack of intelligence or lack of will power... or both?

wphamilton said...

You said that Congressional Republicans are working a budget deal to avoid shutdown brinksmanship? You mention that Congressional Democrats are working from a "very popular" position for a DACA fix, supported by "a vast majority of Americans"?

Then Trump comes out of left field, declaring "let's shut it down" if he doesn't get what he wants, undercutting both efforts ... and you, CH, believe that this makes Trump look like the adult?

I think that you're really struggling to find ways to support this President, but it gets more difficult every time he acts like he has no clue about what's going on.

C.H. Truth said...

Next

Roger will tell everyone that he "destroyed my argument" or something on those lines... without actually doing anything other than call me a name.

Then will spend the rest of the day trying to sabotage the thread to talk about unrelated issues he has with Donald Trump.

Anonymous said...

I do not talk to FBI directors about pending investigations. … I guarantee that there is no political influence in any investigation,” Obama said then, reports the Daily Mail’s David Martosko."

Opsie. King Obama Corruption .

"Page and Strzok, who were engaged in an extra-marital affair, exchanged the text on September 2, 2016. The text reads, “potus wants to know everything we’re doing.” This is written within the context of former-FBI Director James Comey wanting to prepare talking points to give to Obama."

Now we know why the FBI attempted to destroy those Emails.

Anonymous said...

HB your posted idea on Hillary Presidency was stole from Newsweak.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Trump Wants Pentagon To Stage Military Parade Down Pennsylvania Avenue.

President Rocket Man

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Words of wisdom from wp.


I think that you're really struggling to find ways to support this President, but it gets more difficult every time he acts like he has no clue about what's going on.

Anonymous said...

Hi WP.

Anonymous said...

Roger Amick said...
Trump Wants Pentagon To Stage Military Parade Down Pennsylvania Avenue.

President Rocket Man




there it is.


LOL. you never disappoint, alky.


Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

My comments are directly related to the thread, and you irrational struggle to find ways to keep supporting him no matter what he says or does.

Anonymous said...

Is Donald Trump not standing up to his base by offering amnesty to 1.8 Dreamers?

A: yes He is.

- Are you arguing that ending chain migration and the visa lottery are not popular policies?

A: they are, I support them

- Do you believe that the Democrats look willing to stand up to their base in order to make a deal?

A: No, they will not

Where am I wrong?

A: Your not wrong


Helping HB by showing him how easy it is done.

Anonymous said...

Then Trump comes out of left field, declaring "let's shut it down" if he doesn't get what he wants, undercutting both efforts ... and you, CH, believe that this makes Trump look like the adult?


he's calling the dems bluff, wp. he's chiding them knowing full well that a budget deal is already baked, it gives dems everything they claim to want, and the whole DACA issue is a side show schumer is using in a desperate attempt to remain relevant.

C.H. Truth said...

No W.P...

I stated that the President is willing to stand up against his own base to offer the Democrats amnesty for dreamers...

I stated that Democrats do not seem willing to stand up to their base and support otherwise popular policies to get a deal done.


Those are the underlying "pillars" (to borrow the phrase) of the debate right now. Those are the issues that ultimately will need to be determined before we see an immigration deal.


Apparently you got distracted by the shiny tweet you saw over there.



Obviously the shut down threats are a game of political chicken as they always have. Both sides try to preemptively push the blame across the aisle to put pressure on the other side.

Nobody likes that, WP.... that's been proven time and time again.

Those games of political chicken are not leadership, and you cannot possibly argue that they are.

The President is basically making it known that he is not going to cave on this. That doesn't change what is on the table for each side.

Why would you believe it does?

Seriously... provide me with a logical answer how a single tweet changes the underlying issues on the table?

Rather than just attempt to change the subject?

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...

My comments are directly related to the thread, and you irrational struggle to find ways to keep supporting him no matter what he says or does.




WUT???


C.H. Truth said...

My comments are directly related to the thread, and you irrational struggle to find ways to keep supporting him no matter what he says or does.


So another comment that calls me a name... and apparently an argument that you understand the intent of my post and the thread better than I do.

Still no answers to my questions.

No substance.

Anonymous said...

WP I have a personal question to ask you.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

A comment on the story?

The President is pushing for a DACA fix that would include a pathway to citizenship.

Total b.s. He says one thing and when he watches Fox and Friends, and they say that it's not a good idea, Twitter and Facebook get buried with his revised position on DACA and you just write another 500 word diatribe against those who don't fall in line with the cult.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I did not call you a name.

I'm sure that word count will find 10 "alky"'s.

Anonymous said...

I'm sure that word count will find 10 "alky"'s.
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


would you prefer "gin blossom?"

"clown prince of mahogany ridge?"

i can switch it up. just let me know.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

He is not presenting a viable solution to Dreamers. But he will run a billion dollars military parade down Pennsylvania Avenue. Sieg Heil Mr President

Anonymous said...

Total b.s. He says one thing and when he watches Fox and Friends, and they say that it's not a good idea, Twitter and Facebook get buried with his revised position on DACA and you just write another 500 word diatribe against those who don't fall in line with the cult.
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

actually, if you possessed the ability to reason and think, you'd understand that his position on DACA is an opening salvo in a negotiation.

is granting amnesty to 1.8 M illegals a bad idea? it is. on fucking steroids. but it's an offer that has yet to receive a counter offer since the democrats refuse to offer one.

the full political and negotiating posture of the democrats was on full display during the SOTU. they are dug in, sitting on their hands, and refuse to budge one fucking inch.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Leave the bodies of the men,women and children to rot, as a way to warn the beaners. They are drug dealers, murderers and rapists.

Anonymous said...

He is not presenting a viable solution to Dreamers.
____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


"viable" as in they get instant amnesty and corresponding voting rights?

well DUH, genius.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Liar!

The treasonous congressman should have been strung up and left to rot.

If a Democrat had said that. In your weak mind.

C.H. Truth said...

He is not presenting a viable solution to Dreamers.

He offered at the State of the Union, in front of all America... a legal pathway to citizenship. He's reiterated that multiple times since then.

It's exactly what Schumer, Pelosi, and the Democrats claim that they want. They simply refuse to provide any reasonable policy concessions in return.


Please explain why the Democrats should not agree to a deal that provides the pathway to citizenship, a merit based immigration policy that replaces chain migration and visa lottery, and increased border security?

Please Roger... explain it.


You babbling about what you believe goes on with the President while watching FOX and Friends has absolutely no bearing on this, other than to show that you still cannot see the trees or the forest for your hatred of Donald Trump.

But seriously... if that is all you are capable of doing anymore... then I feel sorry for you. Must suck to live that angry and delusional all the time.

Anonymous said...

Roger Amick said...

Leave the bodies of the men,women and children to rot, as a way to warn the beaners. They are drug dealers, murderers and rapists.



thanks for making CH's point.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

you still cannot see the trees or the forest for your love of Donald Trump.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...

you still cannot see the trees or the forest for your love of Donald Trump.



we have trump's initial offer regarding DACA.

what is the democrat counter?

c'mon, you can do this.

wphamilton said...

Apparently you got distracted by the shiny tweet you saw over there.

What tweet? I responded to nothing beyond what you wrote in your blog post. Frankly I have no idea what you're talking about here.


Obviously the shut down threats are a game of political chicken as they always have. Both sides try to preemptively push the blame across the aisle to put pressure on the other side.

Nobody likes that, WP.... that's been proven time and time again.


Except when Trump says it's a good idea, then you feel like it's a grand strategy. But even here, you're shading history a little. Including your own - when Ted Cruz was shutting things down and threatening default for his "not one cent more taxes (for the wealthiest)" you justified it as stalwart sticking to his principles. Doing what he was elected to do. And it didn't really cost them in elections, a couple of years down the road did it?

You're worried that the shoe is on the other foot now, and "nobody likes that". You've seen nothing yet from the Democrats that even hints at the extremes the Tea Party went to. TRUMP is bluffing - it's just more bluster. I just don't see how you can imagine that Trump comes off "looking like the adult in the room."

Anonymous said...

Roger is off-meds.

Anonymous said...

You're worried that the shoe is on the other foot now, and "nobody likes that". You've seen nothing yet from the Democrats that even hints at the extremes the Tea Party went to.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


ok, now i know you're trolling. there's the "tell."

have fun.

wphamilton said...

Trump "offered a proposal" in his State of the Union you say? I'll give your blog this, it's entertaining at times.

Trump rejects the bipartisan plan of John McCain and Chris Coons, calling it a waste of time, because it doesn't fund "the Wall". Trump wants to shutdown the government over it. "Don't make me shoot myself in the foot", he says, "because I'm serious, I'll do it".

wphamilton said...

Imagine the scheming going on in the upper reaches of the DNC hierarchy. How do we leverage this broadly popular hot-button issue in budget talks? Do we DARE threaten a showdown, and draw our line in the sand? The risk, remember the "fiscal cliff" and the 80% of the country that hated the Tea Party for it? How do we hostage the budget without looking irresponsible, or worse halting the services that our constituents depend on?

Oh, Trump wants to do it for us, for the sake of "The Wall" that hardly anyone wants. Never mind ...

C.H. Truth said...

Including your own - when Ted Cruz was shutting things down and threatening default for his "not one cent more taxes (for the wealthiest)" you justified it as stalwart sticking to his principles.

Really?

So where do you see me talking about Ted Cruz being a stalwart for sticking to his principles?

Are you just now making it up as another attempt to change the subject?


Did you and Roger take the same "change the subject" seminar?


The main points still go unanswered.

The President has stood up to his own base by offering amnesty to garner a deal with the Democrats?

The Democrats seem unwilling to make any concessions.

By a two to one margin (Harvard/Harris poll) the President's proposal (overall) is supported by the country... and each of the four specific issues (DACA fix, Chain Migration limits, end Visa Lottery, and increase border security all polled at around 2-1 or higher in favor.


So far, nobody has made a logical argument as to why the Democrats are right to reject the deal or how the President is wrong in offering it.

Roger has suggested something about the President watching FOX and Friends and the two of you have attempted to change the subject several times...

But no real logical argument here.

Anonymous said...

It was with Great Pride HB posted the anti-Military position of the antifa leftist.

wphamilton said...

"His proposal" (LOL) is what TRUMP calls "a waste of time" because it doesn't fund the wall. Why do you even try to spin that as Democrats unwilling to compromise?

Anonymous said...

Did you and Roger take the same "change the subject" seminar".

Yep

wphamilton said...

So far, nobody has made a logical argument as to why the Democrats are right to reject the deal or how the President is wrong in offering it.

Too funny - there is no "deal" for the Democrats to reject. The only rejected deal is the bipartisan immigration proposal in the Senate, and the only one rejecting it is Trump.

Trump made his position known in the SOTU speech. You act like you don't know how legislation works any more that Trump does, but we know better than that CH. You know the difference between a policy statement and a legislative proposal.

C.H. Truth said...

Oh, Trump wants to do it for us, for the sake of "The Wall" that hardly anyone wants. Never mind...

Actually the Republicans and the Democrats seem to be negotiating on a two year budget that does not include "any" immigration reform what-so-ever. If that passes (and it still has a long way to go), then the President will sign it. We both know this.

Obviously, there are a great deal of Democrats on the far left who are demanding a DACA fix as part of the budget agreement. They believe that they can force a clean DACA fix, with a possible shut down being the leverage.

Quite obviously the President is making the statement that he is not afraid of a Government shut down, and that he welcomes it... if it comes down to the Budget being intertwined with the immigration negotiations in a way that does not include his priorities.

Anonymous said...

Jun 9, 2013 · "Nobody is listening to your telephone calls," President Barack Obama said Friday as he tried to reassure Americans .

C.H. Truth said...

Trump made his position known in the SOTU speech. You act like you don't know how legislation works any more that Trump does, but we know better than that CH. You know the difference between a policy statement and a legislative proposal.

Yes, we all know the difference between a policy proposal and legislative proposal. Last time I checked, the President of the United states can offer one, but not the other.

And certainly we all understand that no legislation passes into law without the President's signature. So there is no tangible difference between ANY generic Presidential policy proposal that does not garner Congressional approval, and a generic Congressional legislative proposal that does not have Presidential support (unless of course they have the votes to override a veto).

Of course, I am guessing you understand this... but like to play with the wording to suggest that a President should have no say in legislative, and should sit back and wait for Congress to tell him what to do. Or maybe you only think this when you don't like the President?

The Coons McCain proposal is DOA. Even if the President wasn't against it, Republicans would never pass a DACA fix in exchange for almost nothing. No way does the House even consider "amnesty" without pretty much everything that the President asked for.

You do understand that political reality right?

You do understand that John McCain does not represent the GOP right now.

Anonymous said...

Humm , Chipotle announces $1,000 bonuses because of the Trump tax cut, becoming the 350 Major Company to bonus their employees.

Dow up 250 points today.

Myballs said...

All this fbi scandal keeps inching closer to obama. That's why dems working so hard to oppose exposing it.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous wphamilton said...

"His proposal" (LOL) is what TRUMP calls "a waste of time" because it doesn't fund the wall. Why do you even try to spin that as Democrats unwilling to compromise?



because i would expect that even the democrats, most of them anyway, were paying attention to trump all through the presidential campaign. trump's singular campaign promise above all else was to "build the wall."

so we can safely assume that trump was elected, in large part, on that particular promise. knowing that, democrats should realize that trump will refuse to budge from that central campaign promise.

it can be argued that the people overwhelmingly want the wall. consent of the governed and all that. so for democrats to suddenly paint this issue as unreasonable when it was a central tenet to trump's campaign and subsequent victory, exhibits either the height of arrogance, or a stunning lack of situational awareness.

Anonymous said...

Actually the Republicans and the Democrats seem to be negotiating on a two year budget that does not include "any" immigration reform what-so-ever.


they are, and it gives democrats virtually everything they want.

what's interesting to me is that you really can see just how gloomy democrats future electoral prospects really are by how adamant they're acting over DACA.

they are crystal clear on the fact that without a massive influx of undocumented democrats, they're fucked.



"A memo co-authored by former Clinton communications director Jennifer Palmieri, obtained by The Daily Caller, admits the Democratic Party needs to protect illegal immigrants brought here by DACA in order to ensure those additional votes.

The Center for American Progress (CAP) Action Fund memo, which circulated Monday, called on Democrats to “refuse to offer any votes for Republican spending bills that do not offer a fix for Dreamers and instead appropriate funds to deport them.”

The memo from the left-leaning think tank also said that protecting DACA is not only a “moral imperative” but also a “critical component” in winning elections.

“The fight to protect Dreamers is not only a moral imperative, it is also a critical component of the Democratic Party’s future electoral success,” the memo read.

It finished, “If Democrats don’t try to do everything in their power to defend Dreamers, that will jeopardize Democrats’ electoral chances in 2018 and beyond.”


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/10/dreamers-critical-to-dems-electoral-success-palmieri-memo-says.html

Anonymous said...

Democrats putting Illegals over Americans.

Anonymous said...

Myballs, look at this Lie.

"“I do not talk to the Attorney General about pending investigations. I do not talk to FBI directors about pending investigations,” Obama said. “I guarantee that there is no political influence in any investigation conducted by the Justice Department, or the FBI, not just in this case, but in any case.”

Myballs said...

Obama has been caught lying many times now about this.

But you won't see it reported on the big tv networks.

Anonymous said...

WHEATON, Md. (WJLA) - An undocumented immigrant urinating in public used a box cutter to repeatedly stab a man who had merely suggested he pull up his trousers and use a proper restroom, police say.

On Nov. 30, around 11 p.m., Montgomery County Police were dispatched to the Wheaton Metro bus turnaround along Georgia Avenue. Upon stepping out of their cruisers, officers saw a man with stab wounds and bloody slashes to his neck, face and stomach.

That victim, plus an uninjured eyewitness, pointed officers toward Salvador Gomez-Lopez, 46, who was allegedly drunk and belligerent. The two men explained that Gomez-Lopez was relieving himself in plain view of fellow bus passengers. When the victim questioned his actions, Gomez-Lopez reportedly reached into his backpack and grabbed hold of a razor-sharp box cutter.

[...]

According to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), Gomez-Lopez is an El Salvadoran national who is in the United States illegally. ICE has since lodged an immigration detainer against Gomez-Lopez. He is currently in Montgomery County custody.

http://wjla.com/news/crime/police-man-tells-undocumented-immigrant-to-stop-urinating-at-bus-stop-gets-stabbed-in-ne

Anonymous said...

Never they are to invested in Obama/Hillary.

Thank God Trump won. With his Victory we get to know what was happening during the Lost Years.

Anonymous said...

Struck called Virginians "stupid Hillbillies" for not voting for FBI McCabes wife.

When does Mueller put mccabe, strock, PISA Page, ag Lynch , obimbo and Hillary under oath?

Mueller is so fair minded.

Anonymous said...

Gomez-Lopez is an El Salvadoran national who is in the United States illegally.

_________________

Average Democrat.

Anonymous said...




undocumented democrat.

average in the sense that he was drunk, violent, and pissing on the sidewalk.

Anonymous said...

Related to HB?

commie said...

KD the loathsome loser said...

..
Struck called Virginians "stupid Hillbillies"


And just think....I just call you a flaming asshole.....LOL

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I'd love to see a shutdown @therealdonadtrump.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has announced a deal with Senate Democrats to fund the government and set spending levels for defense and nondefense programs over the next two years.

The legislation would avert a government shutdown on Friday, when federal funding is due to expire, and boost defense and nondefense programs.

It does not include a hike to the debt ceiling, something Congress is also going to have to address in a matter of weeks. Lawmakers are considering including it in the current deal, but doing so would cost the votes of from conservatives in the House.

commie said...

Anyone think having a big military parade a la france is a worthwhile expense while vets still get shitty VA care? Trump thinks it is a great thing especially for someone as weak minded as him....

wphamilton said...

so we can safely assume that trump was elected, in large part, on that particular promise.

Why should Democrats give a flying flock about Trump's main campaign promise?

it can be argued that the people overwhelmingly want the wall.

"It could be argued", but it would be a really poor argument, and the person making it would need to be willing to endure ridicule. Cut out the more than half who voted for someone else. Then of the minority that are left, among them the small subset of voters who actually wanted Trump, as opposed to refusing to vote for Clinton, it's possible that a fraction of those might have felt that "the wall" was the highest priority facing Trump's term. But that would be a tiny fraction indeed. "overwhelmingly want the wall", good lord RRB, have some pride, don't open yourself up for something like that.

commie said...

a matter of weeks. Lawmakers are considering including it in the current deal, but doing so would cost the votes of from conservatives in the House.

And these would be the same idiots that authorized the Tax cuts with its enormous increase to the deficits....Wonder what they will do when the piper comes a calling for really increasing the ceiling?? I know, blame the D's for reckless spending!!!!!!!

commie said...

Rat hole claimed it can be argued that the people overwhelmingly want the wall.s.....I beg to differ...

On the president’s promised wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, voters opposed its construction, 59 percent to 38 percent.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/poll-trump-policies-234801https://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/poll-trump-policies-234801

The man is a bigger joke than trump!!!

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...
I'd love to see a shutdown @therealdonadtrump


nice copy/paste, alky.

.

Anonymous said...

Why should Democrats give a flying flock about Trump's main campaign promise?

because during the previous administration the left would always remind my team of the consent of the governed whenever the GOP opposed a democrat initiative. the people elected bho therefore his every move was sacrosanct and we had better fall in line.

and i guess we'll never know the exact percentage who were motivated to vote for trump because of his build the wall rhetoric, but here's what we do know -

the guy who promised to build the wall won the election. so those who would oppose the project should not act so surprised that he's keeping his promise.

after all, trump has the consent of the governed.

the guy before trump reminded the nation time and again -

"the election's over and I WON."

and despite that guy's best illegal effort, TRUMP WON.

Anonymous said...

Anyone think having a big military parade a la france is a worthwhile expense while vets still get shitty VA care?
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

i think it's an expert level troll considering how many liberal heads exploded as soon as the story came out.

if you're worried about the cost, just reduce welfacre by the same amount and it's paid for.

Anonymous said...

Why should Democrats give a flying flock about Trump's main campaign promise?" WP

Too stupid.

James said...

The GOP Is Helping Trump Evade Accountability

Greg Sargent: “Here’s where we are today: President Trump’s allies fear that refusing an interview with the special counsel, as his lawyers want, could trigger a destructive showdown that could go all the way to the Supreme Court. Meanwhile, the White House is still mulling whether to release Rep. Adam Schiff’s rebuttal to the Nunes memo — which means suppressing it remains a real possibility.

“Both are a reminder that, generally speaking, it remains UNKNOWN JUST HOW FAR Trump will go TO EVADE ACCOUNTABILITY. And that’s why you should pay attention to THE ARGUMENT UNDER WAY AMONG CENTER-RIGHT WRITERS writers over just HOW MUCH DAMAGE TRUMP IS DOING how much damage Trump is doing and just how COMPLICIT the GOP is in ENABLING that damage.”

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

White House staff secretary Rob Porter resigned Wednesday after two of his ex-wives told the Daily Mail he abused them.

Porter's ex wives claim he was physically and emotionally abusive against them. His first wife, Colbie Holderness said he allegedly punched her during a trip to Florence in the early 2000s. The Daily Mail posted pictures of Holderness with a bruised face.

His second wife, Jennifer Willoughby, told the news site that she obtained a temporary protective order against Porter.

Porter denied the allegations in a statement, saying they "are simply false."

"These outrageous allegations are simply false," the statement reads. "I took the photos given to the media nearly 15 years ago and the reality behind them is nowhere close to what is being described. I have been transparent and truthful about these vile claims, but I will not further engage publicly with a coordinated smear campaign," he said.

“My commitment to public service speaks for itself. I have always put duty to country first and treated others with respect. I am deeply grateful for the opportunity to have served in the Trump Administration and will seek to ensure a smooth transition when I leave the White House.”

White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders confirmed his resignation saying he will be leaving the White House soon but "it won't be immediate."

She added he was "not pressured" to resign, and that she is unsure if President Trump saw the images of Porter's ex-wife with a black eye.

Anonymous said...

"Clinton called his answer “horrifying” and said he was “talking down democracy.” I was also critical of Trump’s comment. The idea that a candidate for president wouldn’t accept the legitimacy of the eventual winner was indeed horrifying."

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I wrote it. It's beyond the 3rd grade level English causes your problem

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...
White House staff secretary Rob Porter resigned Wednesday after two of his ex-wives told the Daily Mail he abused them.
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


oh look, it's an alky-lanche of copy/pastes today.

wphamilton said...

the guy who promised to build the wall won the election.

The guy who bragged he could shoot a voter in the street and still get votes won the election. It doesn't mean that "the governed" consent to his shooting people.

You think you elected a dictator? That the opposition should build his moronic wall, because "he won", therefore everything he promised is "what the people want"? Don't blame me for asking, you and KD doubled down on this dumb claim - it wasn't me who pressed it.

Anonymous said...

The guy who bragged he could shoot a voter in the street and still get votes won the election. It doesn't mean that "the governed" consent to his shooting people.

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


man, you are really slipping. not knowing the difference between an oft-repeated campaign promise and a throwaway quip.



You think you elected a dictator?

LOL. that's it wp. yes we did. and during the military parade trump will be decked out full tin pot dictator regalia, complete with epaulets and mirrored glass aviator sunglasses. borat will have nothing on trump.

enjoy the rest of your troll, wp.



Anonymous said...

I wrote it.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


you didn't write a word of it alky.

wphamilton said...

and i guess we'll never know the exact percentage who were motivated to vote for trump because of his build the wall rhetoric,

You might at least find out that a majority of people flat out oppose building it before making the ridiculous claim that Americans "overwhelmingly support" it.

As far as WHY, you could have either taken what I told you or, if you doubted me, looked up exit polls that confirmed it. Of those for whom the most important quality was "can bring about change", Trump had 82% of the vote.

Come to think of it, YOU are the person who told me that his campaign rhetoric - the stupid stuff anyway - was bullshit and if I didn't know which was bs and which was serious, that was my problem. And now you're whining about my questioning your claim of "overwhelming support" of his campaign promise? Rather self-contradictory of you RRB.

Anonymous said...

Hi Hb, how are you today?

C.H. Truth said...

I doubt that the "wall" in and of itself has all that much independent support.

But the "four pillar" proposal that the President laid out at the SOTU address has all sorts of support. I would expect that once the budget deal is signed and the leverage of another government shutdown is effectively gone... that his four pillar deal will be the starting point in negotiations.

The reality is that the Democrats will have to deal with the fact that they need a DACA deal soon, or their rank and file will be coming at them with torches and pitchforks. they can no longer hang on for a clean fix, or believe that they can push this out as a campaign issue for the midterms.

wphamilton said...

man, you are really slipping. not knowing the difference between an oft-repeated campaign promise and a throwaway quip.

For the vast majority of what Trump said, there IS no difference. Which is really a problem for arguing a mandate for ANY of his promises, including "the wall". Have we set up a wall payment plan with Mexico yet?

Look, you can advocate for "the wall" as much as you like, but claiming an "overwhelming" mandate is going nowhere. When Trump shuts down the government over his wall, only a few fringe fanatics are going to blame the Democrats. I kind of hope that he does.

Anonymous said...

alky-lanche of copy/pastes today."

He believes he "wrote it".

Lol@HB

Anonymous said...

You think you elected a dictator? "WP

ANSWER: NOPE

Anonymous said...

HB "I wrote it"

No, actually you stole it.

"February 07, 2018 - 12:59 PM EST
Senate leaders agree to two-year budget deal

BY ALEXANDER BOLTON" wrote it


C.H. Truth said...

WP - I think "you" brought up the statement about Trump shooting people in the streets... which, we all hope, was not any sort of campaign promise. So to the degree that you compare shooting people in the streets and building a wall as both throwaway statements, it certainly seems sort of silly to claim you can't distinguish between the two.

You and Roger have a similar problem. It's a difficult thing to continuously bring up unrelated things about Trump you do not like when discussing specific policies, while simultaneously trying to convince people that you do not suffer from TDS.

Every time you break away from the issue at hand, and attempt to move the focus on why you don't like Trump, you show your TDS. If you didn't suffer from TDS, then you could effectively argue these issues without the constant redirects to your personal opinion about Trump himself (as if you believe that they actually help your argument).

Anonymous said...

President willing to sign the McConnell/Schumer long term Budget.

Stroke Victim Nancy Polosi, no vote and she says she has the votes to STOP IT!!!!

commie said...

No surprise about this.....confirms most of the items rat and menstral cramps use as source information....jokes all of them!!!!

Trump supporters share more fake news on social media than any other political group, according to a new study from Oxford University.

Researchers studied more than 13,000 Twitter users and 47,000 Facebook pages in the days leading up to President Donald Trump’s State of the Union Address to determine which social media users spread the most “junk” news.

They discovered that Trump supporters on Twitter shared more unreliable news than all other groups combined. On Facebook, extreme conservatives share more junk news than all other audiences put together.

The researchers defined “junk news” as “misleading, deceptive or incorrect information purporting to be real news about politics, economics or culture”. A team of 12 researchers coded news stories to determine which sites were likely to broadcast this kind of news. The final list included sites like Breitbart News and InfoWars.

The researchers then recorded the activity of 13,477 Twitter users and 47,719 public Facebook pages in the three months leading up to the State of the Union, in order to see which users shared the most articles from these sites.

The users were then grouped into categories based on their ideologies. Twitter users, for example, were grouped into categories like “Trump support” or “resistance”. Facebook users fell into categories like “Democratic party,” “hard conservative,” or “conspiracy”.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-supporters-share-more-fake-141800647.html

commie said...

CH calling the kettle black posted....


Every time you break away from the issue at hand, and attempt to move the focus on why you don't like Trump, you show your TDS

You really have a lot of ballz with calling out others with the malady you suffer from to the extreme.....Your defense of the donnie is beyond the pale and only shows your complete take over from rational thought...WP kicks your ass with regularity and to criticize others for throw away statements is most amusing. He who twists and turns at every trump utterance as the man lies his way through life....

wphamilton said...

CH, it illustrates the essential fact that Trump winning doesn't mean he has a popular mandate for everything he said during the campaign. Shooting people is a little extreme, but I could have chosen one of his off the wall comments about ... anything. Trade war with China, his secret plans to stop North Korea and finish the war in Syria. The beautiful wall. Bottom line, there isn't THAT much to set any of that apart from his "throw-away comments".

Do YOU think that the American public "overwhelmingly support" his "beautiful wall" because he won the election? My questioning that silly claim prompts you to declare "TDS", but that reaction makes me feel like I've wandered into a nuthouse.

Anonymous said...

Now that is funny, ty.

C.H. Truth said...

Do YOU think that the American public "overwhelmingly support" his "beautiful wall" because he won the election? My questioning that silly claim prompts you to declare "TDS", but that reaction makes me feel like I've wandered into a nuthouse.

Actually I already answered that. People do not overwhelmingly support his wall... but they do overwhelmingly support his overall "four pillar" plan that includes enough border security to build one.

The fact that you believe that you "could have chosen one of his off the wall comments about ... anything," and that any of them would actually matter to the immigration debate... (hint, one has nothing to do with the other for most normally adjusted people) sort of illustrates my point.

Take some time... think about it... and then get back to me when you can actually allow yourself to debate an immigration plan without your focus constantly running off in anti-Trump rants.

wphamilton said...

You're not following the thread. Your supporter RRB made the wild claim that "Trump won" means a mandate for his campaign promises. I called him on the carpet for it already - you're just making it worse by continuing.

In other words, *I* didn't link it to the immigration debate. RRB did. *I* pointed out that it was ridiculous, because *ANY* of his campaign promises could be held to scrutiny and obviously *NOT* be a mandate. So bottom line, you are "illustrating" your point about not "normally adjusted people" with RRB.

So take your own time, think about what you wrote, and get back to me with your revised aspersions.

Anonymous said...

Your supporter RRB made the wild claim that "Trump won" means a mandate for his campaign promises
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


i did. and i still believe it to be true to a great degree. largely because this last election was different. different in ways i never would have expected. my evidence is anecdotal and really only serves my opinion, but that doesn't detract from what i witnessed. wp, i travel extensively for business. my travels are largely rural. when i see a guy go through work to drive two 30 ft telephone poles into the ground to hold up three 4x8' sheets of plywood to make a completely home made enormous 'TRUMP!' sign, that registers and resonates with me.

whether or not trump has a mandate for a wall will remain a matter of opinion, however, i saw people across the northeast go to extraordinary lengths to declare their support for a candidate. this wasn't a garden variety yard sign thing. this was a guy wrapping a 53' box trailer at his own expense in "make america great again!" and parking it for others to see traveling the NYS Thruway. i've never seen grass roots like this. so yeah, i think the wall has more support than any of us realize or could possibly poll.

you can go ahead and mock it with your moral preening, but i talk to these folks every day, and if we land on the subject of trump in conversation, the wall inevitably is mentioned.

C.H. Truth said...

Your supporter RRB made the wild claim that "Trump won" means a mandate for his campaign promises

Are you suggesting that winning political candidates have no mandate for their campaign promises?

Or are you specifically suggesting that Trump doesn't have a mandate for his campaign promises?

On the surface, it seems illogical that the person elected by their own constituents to represent them... has no mandate to follow through on the promises they made during the campaign. One would think that it would be sort of that politician's "responsibility" to follow through on their campaign promises.