What is considered worse:
- Paying hush money to prevent a mistress from going public with the details of the affair? (as what happened with Donald Trump).
- Paying hush money to prevent a victim of sexual harassment from filing charges and going public? (as several members of Congress have been doing apparently for years).
Why is it that:
- Paying hush money to hide an affair should be a criminal violation of campaign laws.
- Paying hush money to hide sexual harassment is just a political embarrassment.
Let's also be clear about some major differences here. Both the affairs and the hush money Donald Trump paid was actually exposed to the public just a few days before the election. This was the classic "November surprise" that everyone waits for. Asking the President to step down or attempting to impeach him over events that was already "baked into" the election decision is nothing more than an attempt to "overturn" election results.
Most of these congress critters kept their sexual exploitation hidden from the voters. Those who resigned, probably did so because the new found public knowledge that they had sexually assaulted or sexually harassed workers or other people would cost them their seat in the next election. Not every politician has the scandal resistance of "Teflon Don".
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Why is it that:
Because you can't fix how broke trump is.....Your thread again is not original but stolen and the more you try to spin this....he is still fucked!!!! Keep slurping, I am amused at your desperate attempts to sway minds!!! The slurpers will always slurp, the realists will always look for facts, unlike you...
The parallels are astounding.....toss in that clinton was impeached for lying and obstruction....there sure seems to be a trajectory that trump is following......how sad you don't see it CH, but choose to close your eyes and slurp!!!
Over the years I’ve periodically been reminded of the many ways in which Bill Clinton’s presidency debased our civic culture. This week the reminders have been especially pointed.
First we had the president’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani on NBC on Sunday, explaining to Chuck Todd that “truth isn’t truth” — an invitation, perhaps, to parse the meaning of “isn’t” just as Clinton once parsed the meaning of the word “is.”
Next came the publication of a scathing 1998 memo from Brett Kavanaugh, written when the Supreme Court nominee was a young lawyer working for the independent counsel Ken Starr.
“The president has disgraced his Office, the legal system, and the American people by having sex with a 22-year-old intern and turning her life into a shambles,” Kavanaugh wrote, calling it “callous and disgusting behavior that has somehow gotten lost in the shuffle.”
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Then there was Michael Cohen’s guilty plea for criminal violations of campaign-finance laws. This was soon followed by the usual casuistry from Donald Trump and his defenders explaining why the offense, as it related to the president, was legally trivial; or that the economy would collapse in the event of impeachment; or that Trump’s critics were mentally deranged; or that the president was entitled to the sort of deference due to kings.
And as ever, the president continued to lie to the American people, while acting as if the outrage he elicits is merely evidence of how unfairly he’s treated.
It was all vintage Bill: deploying minions to lie about illicit sex (and twist the meaning of words); abusing the powers of the presidency to trash the reputations of others; converting his character flaws into a national convulsion. Clinton did all this, and so has Trump. What the former pioneered, the latter has simply taken to the next level.
The D or an R after the name is the determining factor on whether it's a crime or not. That's pretty damn obvious.
It would be funny except that the gross abuse and perscution by federal officials of American citizens is tolerated if not appluaded simply because those citizens are not popular the liberal media elite.
Senator Al Franken resigned from his seat in the Senate for grabbing breasts inappropriately.
Candidate Donald Trump concealed two sexual affairs during the 2016 election campaign. His personal lawyer admitter under oath that the candidate Trump directed him to illegally conceal the alleged affairs and arguably used illegal financial services to make the payments to the two women.
During the impeachment hearings over the Malinsky blow job then congressman Lyndsey Graham said that the inappropriate behavior by then President Bill Clinton had disgraced the office of the President and he should be convicted and removed from office for a moral failure.
Neither one of the actions by the Democratic party members rose to the level of the actions of then candidate Donald Trump. They were moral failures. Candidate Trump directed his lawyer to break the law. And allegedly used illegal campaign funds or other illegal sources of funding the silence of information that obviously would have affected the outcome of the election. We will never know if this would have altered the outcome of the election.
The Muller investigation is still being conducted despite the attempts to influence the discredit the Witch Hunt and Hoax.
As noted above Trump has carried the level of his actions to the level of illegality. And to use the same rationale that his actions have reached the level of high crimes and misdemeanors.
In order to avoid the most dangerous threat to the United States since the Civil War the Democratic party has to take the House of Representatives majority and charge the President of impeachable actions and get 67 members of the United States Senate to convict and remove Donald J. Trump from the office of the President of the United States of America.
Roger Amick
Neither one of the actions by the Democratic party members rose to the level of the actions of then candidate Donald Trump.
let me know when trump lies to a grand jury, alky. because THAT'S what bubba was impeached for. to say otherwise is to LIE.
"I did not have sexual relations with the woman, Miss Lewinsky."
Impeachment
President Trump was asked about the money to Daniels on Air Force one "no".
Republicans
Silence speaks volumes.
Hypocrisy is Scott .
President Clinton was forced to testify before a grand Jury. He lied about his illicit sexual behavior and was impeached by the Republican controlled House of Representatives.
Candidate Trump directed his lawyer to break the law. And allegedly used illegal campaign funds or other illegal sources of funding the silence.
Lying about a blow job was an impeachable offense .
Candidate Trump directed his lawyer to break the law to silence Daniels and the Playboy model.
Candidate Trump allegedly used illegal financial sources to silence Daniels and the Playboy model.
Clinton was impeached for lying to the grand Jury.
Donald Trump is attempting to avoid testifying before a grand Jury. His actions and moral failures have far exceeded the actions of President Bill Clinton as a candidate and President.
rrb is grasping at straws and using personal insuts.
I am stating the truth. Not the Giuliani "truth".
During the impeachment hearings before the United States Senate:
During the impeachment hearings over the Malinsky blow job then congressman Lyndsey Graham said that the inappropriate behavior by then President Bill Clinton had disgraced the office of the President and he should be convicted and removed from office for a moral failure.
He did not say anything about the grand Jury testimony. The moral failure was the impeachable offense.
Malinsky?
Not to put too fine a point about it but Franken behavour was sexual assault.
Dispite what you think about Trump's affairs no one but no one has ever credibily accused him of sexual assault or sexual harassment.
And considering the number of women in high positions in his organization, that is quite remarkable.
Bubba lost his law license and not by a bunch of Repub’s you deranged delusional opiate freak
rrb is grasping at straws and using personal insuts.
so... telling the truth is grasping at straws?
no wonder you're so fucked up.
btw alky, where's the russian angle to your fairy tale? did trump pay the whores in rubles? i'm not seeing a russia connection here alky. that's what we're paying mueller to fish for, right?
or are you finally willing to admit what the rest of us have known all along - that the russia story was pure unadulterated bullshit that robby mook pulled from his ass to explain away hillary's EPIC defeat.
trump paid off a couple of whores, alky. according to some leading HONEST attorneys, there's no crime there.
During the impeachment hearings over the Malinsky blow job then congressman Lyndsey Graham said that the inappropriate behavior by then President Bill Clinton had disgraced the office of the President and he should be convicted and removed from office for a moral failure.
He did not say anything about the grand Jury testimony. The moral failure was the impeachable offense.
the flaw in your logic is that graham's opinion is just that - an opinion, and NOT the reason for the impeachment.
The president provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony to the grand jury regarding the Paula Jones case and his relationship with Monica Lewinsky.
Approved by House 228-206
The president obstructed justice in an effort to delay, impede, cover up and conceal the existence of evidence related to the Jones case.
Approved by House 221-212
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/articles122098.htm?noredirect=on
you're an assclown alky.
Lewinsky
https://youtu.be/vwlazzkf1rU
Nice try beaner bigot
that proves exactly nothing, alky.
the actual articles of impeachment on the other hand, provide the legal framework and define the impeachment.
graham's speech, while cute, is essentially meaningless. and remember, the house votes to impeach while the senate votes to convict. the senate did not convict, which means that his rhetoric has even LESS value.
you lose, alky.
now then, where were we?
oh yeah.
russia.
got russia, alky?
i see money and whores. i'm not seeing russia.
where's mueller on the russia thingy, alky?
Atlanta FED raising GDP forecast to 4.6%. But by all means, let's get trump out of office, even is we have to make it up.
Medical update for Paul.
I may use one Norco per day and only prior to a workout at the 24 Hour Fitness center in Walnut California. One year ago I was using a walker. Today it's folded up and put away. You're considerably younger than I am. You would be amazed at what I can do now. My upper arms are over 18" in diameter and none of it is fluids.
I leg press at 130lbs at 25×3.
Arm curls with 25lbs at 15×3. A year ago I was just using 12lbs.
Russia is not going away.
You just hope against hope.
Who measures his arm diameter??
My personal trainer
And yet, still no evidence of Russia trump collusion. That's not going away either.
In regards to moral failure.
In regards to Trump, his spirit remains tyrannical—that is, utterly self-absorbed and self-concerned, indifferent to the suffering of others, knowing no moral restraint. He expects fealty and gives none. Such people can exert power for a long time, by playing on the fear and cupidity, the gullibility and the hatreds of those around them.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/the-end-of-trumps-reign/568480/
In order to avoid the most dangerous threat to the United States since the Civil War the Democratic party has to take the House of Representatives majority and charge the President of impeachable actions and get 67 members of the United States Senate to convict and remove Donald J. Trump from the office of the President of the United States of America.
Roger Amick
Just wait.
Doesn’t change your mental instability
I’m 56 and will play my old rugby club today as a flanker #7, then the party
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Russia is not going away.
You just hope against hope.
hope?
LOL.
russia HAS gone away alky.
in fact, nothing materially has happened involving russia since those PR indictments were handed down over a month ago.
YOU'RE the one who needs to keep hoping. meanwhile, mueller is chasing down hush money paid to whores.
Anonymous Myballs said...
Who measures his arm diameter??
a worthless, narcissistic old drunken asshole whose life revolves around this blog.
if this blog ever went dark the alky would be dead in six months.
Big story out that the FBI ignored tens of thousands of Crooked Hillary Emails, many of which are REALLY BAD. Also gave false election info. I feel sure that we will soon be getting to the bottom of all of this corruption. At some point I may have to get involved!
He's saying again that he can run the investigation into his actions.
He's saying again that he can run the investigation into his actions.
dumb fuck,
what he's saying is that he may have to pressure DOJ to do the job they failed to do.
the job dirty cop comey LIED about.
Despite Comey Assurances, Vast Bulk of Weiner Laptop Emails Were Never Examined
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/08/22/despite_comey_assurance_vast_bulk_of_weiner_laptop_emails_never_examined.html
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Medical update for Paul.
mental health update - the alky is fucking full-on batshit insane.
Wait for what? Its been two freaking years
I find this amusing. I keep thinking and do a lot of other things. You're accusations of mental disability are better applied to rrb. His obsession with defending Trump and attacking Obama are a complete descent into Trumpism syndrome Stage Four.
There is no cure.
In February, Mueller’s team obtained indictments against 13 Russians who worked for an organization called the Internet Research Agency. It was this team that allegedly created social media accounts meant to roil the discourse around the election. Several members of the organization visited the United States before the election. They also allegedly paid Americans to unwittingly make signs or impersonate Clinton at campaign events.
Those actions, if proved in court, violated identity-theft, fraud and conspiracy laws. American intelligence officials say they obtained evidence that the goal of the social media efforts and the hacking was to aid Trump’s election.
3 illegal acts that may have helped Trump win the presidency
https://wapo.st/2wwFmht
The question remains as to whether the candidates campaign and/or knew about or worked in coordination with the Russians. Or that President Trump has been obstructing justice in this case.
At some point I may have to get involved!
He cannot investigate himself.
Yep, hope Alky want to talk about his well made case that obimbo hand Trump a "near recession economy".
With Democrats worked with the russians, did Hillary's DNC list the payments for the clinton-Steele fantasy dossier?
Mueller the fairest man on earth is looking into it, Right?
Those actions, if proved in court, violated identity-theft, fraud and conspiracy laws.
LOL.
dumb fuck,
those indictments were for show, as were the others on july 13th.
if proved in court???
will they be tried in absentia???
LOL.
alky, you are taking seriously shit that has been done purely for show and in a half-assed attempt by mueller to justify his fishing trip.
this is why we question your mental state. no sane, rational person thinks like this.
Show me the man and I'll show you the crime. This is the worst form of soviet style government abuse that anybody who cares about civil liberties ought to be concerned about.
They are actually percuting and trampling on American citizen's rights simply because they are not popular with the Washington country club set.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
At some point I may have to get involved!
He cannot investigate himself.
dumb fuck,
he's not referring to investigating himself.
we've covered this.
your reading comprehension skills have plummeted since your 2nd hand liver was installed.
"we've covered this"
The Three Socialist stooges of CHT , everyday is ground hog day.
btw alky, i for one am looking forward to an impeachment trial purely for its entertainment value. just think of the cavalcade of shitbag democrats who will be subpoenaed to testify. trump will play it out on the public stage and in the court of public opinion he will win and win bigly.
Blogger Commonsense said...
The D or an R after the name is the determining factor on whether it's a crime or not.
In cramps world only....Why don't you move to canada since you hate the US!!!!!
did Hillary's DNC list the payments for the clinton-Steele fantasy dossier?
Yes they did......asshole
You never had comprehensive reading skills.
Yes they did as required by the law.
No they didn't. That's why it took do long to discover it.
At the very moment the GNP is humming along at 4.1 percent, the S & P is at record highs, and unemployment is at record lows (for blacks and Hispanics too), the infantile buffoons in the Democratic Party and their mainstream media lackeys are calling so loudly and incessantly for the impeachment of the president you'd have to be on the North Col of Everest not to hear them. And even then you'd have to be wearing the most expensive noise-canceling ear muffs extant.
And of course they are screaming equally loudly, "Russia-Russia-Russia" when anyone with an IQ within spitting distance of triple digits knows the real problem for the USA has been China by roughly 400X for the last decade or longer.
If you're looking for someone to impeach, how about Dianne Feinstein who, we just learned, had a Chinese spy as her chauffeur for twenty years, even while she was chair of the Senate Intel Committee? At virtually the same time — 2010-ish, when Obama was president — close to the entire U.S. spy network in China, several dozen people, were apprehended by the Chinese on their soil in an unprecedented intelligence disaster. Only a few survived. Connection? Perhaps the New York Times or the Washington Post will investigate (as if).
Meanwhile, China, until quite recently and, still to a great extent, had the run of the U.S. higher educational system via thousands of exchange students and their Confucius Institutes. These are the same American universities where professors urge the president's impeachment while promoting the virtues of socialism even though Venezuela, once by far the wealthiest country in Latin America, is imploding at an extraordinary pace with unheard of inflation, banknotes used for toilet paper, because of.... socialism.
And, at the same time, according to polls, our gullible and uneducated (or rather miseducated) college students — attending schools more richly endowed by capitalism than any in history with sushi in the dining halls and hot rock saunas in the gyms — and a majority of equally clueless Democrats, led by Bernie Sanders and a young woman who couldn't find the Middle East on a map, believe that the socialist system is indeed superior to ours.
What's going on here? Is there something in the water? Has the country had a mass lobotomy?
Oh, yes, Donald Trump did the dirty with a porn star ten years ago. Not only that, he paid real dollars to shut her up. Everything else must stop. Forget North Korea. Forget Iran. Forget trade negotiations. Forget our life expectancies declining for the last two years because of fentanyl brought over our porous borders. Stormy Daniels is what's important.
No, it's not. Looked at from further away than six inches it's trivial compared to what's going on in the world. Nothing could be more obvious. Also, nothing could be more obvious than that Donald Trump is the most hated man in this country because he might, just might, be successful as president. They want to bring him down personally because his policies, most of them anyway, are (gasp!) actually working. What if they really work? What if the mullahs fold? What if the NORKs give up their nukes? What if even the Palestinians turn rational? What if the GNP goes to 5 percent or even 8 percent?
Myballs said...
No they didn't. That's why it took do long to discover it.
Discover what? That you are a dumbass trump chump???? I'm sure you can discover a link !!!!!! idiot
Trump pushed back for egregious executive order....gets bitch slapped by judge....
In victory for unions, judge overturns key parts of Trump executive orders
A federal judge dealt a victory to federal employees and the unions that represent them, invalidating key provisions of a series of Trump administration executive orders aimed at making it easier to fire employees and weaken the unions.
did Hillary's DNC list the payments for the clinton-Steele fantasy dossier?
Yes they did......asshole
Actually they didn't.
The money was also funneled through another company (which as everyone on the left has their panties in a bunch over) is apparently an illegal campaign contribution.
So knowing that they cannot legally funnel a campaign expenditure through an intermediary company... why would they have reported their own illegal behavior?
did Hillary's DNC list the payments for the clinton-Steele fantasy dossier?" CHT
"Yes" Wrong on the facts, again. So sad.
Roger steals from PJMedia
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