As of this morning, Clinton's twelve point lead in the Washington Post Tracking poll has been cut in half. What once was a healthy twelve point lead is now six points (two releases later). Twelve points was never a legitimate number, but I suspect that there may be a correlation between the timing of the original poll (in time to be reported by your Sunday morning talk shows) and the larger opening number.
Quite obviously many people heard about the original twelve point number. I doubt many will be keeping up with the poll to know that it closed in half. Whether that was actually "on purpose" or not is a matter of speculation. But it's clear to see that they have seen much different polling since the original four day sample (this most recent poll has three day of new polling and one day from the original).
Meanwhile the Rasmussen tracking poll remains at Clinton plus one, the TIPP poll shows Clinton plus one and two tenths, while the LA Times has Trump with a seven tenth of a percent lead.
Lastly, FOX news came out with a new poll last night showing the race at three points. This (in my humble opinion) is much more realistic than the original ABC poll or the latest AP/GfK poll.
I have a gut feeling that we are actually going to see some late polling convergence from many pollsters. If our state polls are any indication, then a number similar to the 2012 election (3-5) range seems reasonable. But of course, that would indicate a close election and would obviously build a narrative that Trump is coming back from the dead and stands a chance. This would be a very dangerous narrative for those who would prefer to push the narrative that the election is over, Clinton is inevitable, and that it's only a matter of margin.
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How does the breathless Three Progressive Stooges explain the polls going from, 12, 11, 10, 9 , 8 , 7, 6, 5 , 4 , 3
watch the compilation of lies that flow from Bumble's mouth
Clintoninton leads by 13 points, 54-41, in a head-to-head match against the businessman.
When third-party candidates are included, Clinton's lead increases slightly to 14 points, 51-37, with Libertarian Gary Johnson trailing at 6 percent and Green Party candidate Jill Stein at 2 percent.
The former Secretary of State's lead has risen significantly since AP/GfK last polled the nation in mid-September.
In a two-way race, Clinton led +6 in September which she increased to +13 today, and with third-party candidates, Clinton went from +6 in September to +14 today.
The AP/GfK poll was conducted online from Oct. 20-24 among 1,212 likely voters nationally, with a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percent.
Average 10/15 - 10/26 -- -- 45.8 40.4 5.8 1.8 Clinton +5.4
FOX News 10/22 - 10/25 1221 LV 2.5 44 41 7 3 Clinton +3
ABC News Tracking 10/22 - 10/25 1135 LV 3.0 48 42 5 1 Clinton +6
Rasmussen Reports 10/24 - 10/26 1500 LV 2.5 45 44 4 1 Clinton +1
IBD/TIPP Tracking 10/21 - 10/26 945 LV 3.3 43 41 8 2 Clinton +2
USA Today/Suffolk 10/20 - 10/24 1000 LV 3.0 47 38 4 2 Clinton +9
Reuters/Ipsos 10/20 - 10/24 1170 LV 3.3 42 38 7 2 Clinton +4
Associated Press-GfK 10/20 - 10/24 1212 LV -- 51 37 6 2 Clinton +14
CNN/ORC 10/20 - 10/23 779 LV 3.5 49 44 3 2 Clinton +5
NBC News/SM 10/17 - 10/23 32225 LV 1.0 46 41 7 3 Clinton +5
Quinnipiac 10/17 - 10/18 1007 LV 3.1 47 40 7 1 Clinton +7
Economist/YouGov 10/15 - 10/18 925 RV 3.9 42 38 6 1 Clinton +4
Inevitable? No. But the odds against it, aren't very good.
A sign that the Republican candidate is in trouble in their own polling, he's in Ohio today. Clinton is within the margin of error.
Clinton,with Michelle Obama is in North Carolina Carolina.
I saw an interesting story yesterday. If the election was held only with millennial generation voters, Clinton won 45 states.
C.H. The changing demographics threaten to make the Republican party a minority power.
demographics threaten to make the Republican party a minority power.
It's about time. With 18th century thinking and leaders, it is inevitable that they will be passed by.
Earlier this week, it looked like Trump and the Republicans were coming home. But things like Newt Gingrich doesn't help.
Some swing States are narrowing, but probably not enough for Trump.
Polls, polls, polls… the lawless news media has so disenfranchised themselves from millions upon millions of we the people they have no clue what we are going to do. I believe after the votes are actually counted… the landslide will be so great EVERYONE except Donald and me are going to be standing around with their bottom lip on the ground and I’m going to step on it [grin].
Roger Amick said...
Clintoninton leads by 13 points, 54-41, in a head-to-head match against the businessman.
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okay, so Alcoholics Anonymous is now conducting their own polling.
you should ask CH if he would include that in his sidebar.
The media continue to take their marching orders from the Clinton campaign. AP is the latest to put out an article saying that Hillary has already won based on early voting.
AP says that she is showing strength in Florida and will win there. But buried later in the article that admit that Trump is slightly ahead in Florida.
What the news media have done this election is an outrage.
Roger and James continue to post polls in the comments that are already posted on the sidebar. Apparently their ability to read the sidebar spreadsheet is in question.
But I would ask Roger the same question I asked James.
If Clinton is really running 8-10 points ahead of where Obama ran against Romney, why are we not seeing it in the battleground states, where the election arguably appears closer than it was in 2012.
Rather than make some dumbfounded argument that doesn't make any sense...
wouldn't it be more logical to assume that the polls that show the race similar (or slightly closer) to 2012 and therefore would correlate better to the State polling (which show similar results)... might be more accurate?
Asking them a deep and complicated question and expecting an answer from them is an exercise in futility.
Roger will just try to bombast his way through it.
James will just post more spam from Tannebaum.
What the news media have done this election is an outrage.
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not really. this is what they've been doing my entire life, they've just let the mask completely slip this year, gone all in on their hackery, and openly admitted it.
glenn reynolds calls the media 'democrat operatives with by-lines.'
he's right.
If Clinton is really running 8-10 points ahead of where Obama ran against Romney, why are we not seeing it in the battleground states, where the election arguably appears closer than it was in 2012.
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here's my best roger impersonation -
"HILLARY BY A LANDSLIDE!!!11!"
"republicans will be cast out into the political wilderness for at least a generation."
by the way, i question whether any actual polling is being done anymore. i'm starting to think these "pollsters" are simply waking up each morning, checking the msm headlines, and adjusting the numbers accordingly purely based upon "feeling."
"Circle Of Enrichment" That describes the pay for play of Hillary and bill and the bankers/Fund Managers and the shell company called the Clinton Foundation.
It is clear as the Blue Skies of Kansas. The companies paid 10's of millions of dollars to the Billary Corp. They laundered the money and enriched themselves.
Is the HB children's blog down?
IF not why are we getting spammed here on the Adult Blog?
here's my best roger impersonation -
"HILLARY BY A LANDSLIDE!!!11!"" RRB
Too funny.
Obamacare is as you recall based upon Hillary Failed HillaryCare Model.
When do the those on the left understand or care about how many 10's of Millions of Americans this has negatively effected?
Between the Rate increase, the higher deducables , the co pays and the higher taxes embedded in the O'hillaryCare bag of shit, people are being hurt economically.
I want to thank BOTH Cali and CS for bringing the facts of this meltdown to this Adult Blog.
Real issues matter to real people.
Top Three concerns.
1, Lower standard of living, low wage jobs and fear of poverty
2, Obamacare sky rocketing cost and the damage to real home budgets
3, Terrorism, the blood in the streets because of Muslim Fuckers
Maybe It’s Not a Change Election
“More Americans than at any time in Barack Obama’s presidency now say that things in the United States are going well, a sharp uptick in positive views and the best reviews of the country’s trajectory since January 2007,” according to the latest CNN/ORC poll.
“Overall, 54% say things in the country today are going well, 46% badly.”
State Poll Roundup: Thursday
The latest state polls from the presidential race:
Texas: Trump 45%, Clinton 42%, Johnson 7% (UT/Texas Tribune) WOW. FANCY THAT.
Texas: Trump 45%, Clinton 38%, Johnson 7% (Austin American Statesman)
Florida: Clinton 43%, Trump 39%, Johnson 6% (University of North Florida) NOT BAD.
Pennsylvania: Clinton 46%, Trump 39% (NYT/Siena) GREAT.
Georgia: Trump 44%, Clinton 43%, Johnson 8% (Quinnipiac) AMAZING.
Iowa: Clinton 44%, Trump 44%, Johnson 4% (Quinnipiac)
SHE MAY PULL AWAY.
North Carolina: Clinton 47%, Trump 43%, Johnson 5% (Quinnipiac) GREAT. HOPE IT EXPANDS.
Virginia: Clinton 50%, Trump 38%, Johnson 4% (Quinnipiac) IT'S IN THE BAG.
New Mexico: Clinton 45%, Trump 40%, Johnson 9% (Zia) GOOD.
Oct 16-20
31% Right Way
63% Wrong Way
Rasmussen
Jane, how many years of history does your Clinton News Network poll have?
Conflicting Numbers but One Clear Conclusion - Clinton Is Ahead
Clinton averages eight-point lead overall
Oct. 27 -- In the last 24 hours, one national poll showed Hillary Clinton with a 14-point lead. Another had her ahead by just three points. And another found it right in the middle -- Clinton up nine points.
In the battleground states, meanwhile, one survey had Clinton leading in New Hampshire by nine points while another one had her up four in the Granite State. Then there was that recent Florida poll that found Donald Trump ahead by two.
How to make sense of the plethora of polls? Well, here's an answer: Clinton is clearly ahead, though the margin is larger in some polls than others.
And when looking at the battleground states, she still has the easiest path to the 270 electoral votes.
Looking at the national polls, the Huffington Post shows Clinton with an average lead of seven points in the surveys it recognizes, while the RealClearPolitics average has it at five points.
To put those numbers into perspective, President Obama won the national vote by seven percentage points in 2008 and by four points in 2012.
What's more, on this same day in the 2012 cycle, Obama held just a 0.6-point lead over Mitt Romney in the Huffington Post poll tracker.
Turning to the state polls, Clinton continues to enjoy healthy leads in Pennsylvania and New Hampshire - which, according to NBC's battleground map, puts her above the 270 electoral votes needed to win the presidency.
And as for Florida, Clinton holds nearly a 2-point lead from the average of polls in the state. In fact, of the polls that NBC News recognizes, Trump has led in just one Florida poll since the first presidential debate.
And a little reality check on the Sunshine State: It's a must-win state for Trump, while Clinton can cross 270 electoral votes without it.
The month Obama took office, Rasmussen was polling, Jane will tell us how long CNN was polling and will provide the link.
Feb 1, 2009
Wrong Way 62 %
Right Way 29%
Statistically, unchanged, Jane is never right, he is only a stupid shill.
Jane always be Lying like Hillbilly, follow the cash to the Whores
Jane had to leave, she is but a stupid parrot, and as CS state, to have a real debate with anyone of the Three Progressive Stooges is an impossibility, they only know what they are told on DizzyKos or some other leftist filth site.
Roger and James will still spam.
Trump Has Set the GOP Back Decades
S.E. Cupp: “As a conservative woman who wanted very much to support the Republican nominee, it’s been a deeply disappointing year and a half. After helping the Republican National Committee address some of the troubling deficiencies the party faced after 2012, as outlined in its so-called autopsy report, and witnessing some real progress in our outreach to women in the ensuing years, I did not expect an egomaniacal arsonist to come along and set all that ablaze.
“Mr. Trump has sent the party back to the Dark Ages — or at least the 1950s — with his provincial notions of masculinity and misogynist notions of femininity, his cartoonish bombast, his vulgar jocularity and his open hostility to women who question him. In short, he’s reaffirmed the worst stereotypes about Republicans that Democrats have pushed for decades.”
HB the fucktard, has 17 threads with not one comment, many more with just one or two comments mostly from his butt buddy Jane.
On the other hand , this side has had some really good information posted and shared, exception being the Interlopers posts.
UK economy grows 0.5% in three months after Brexit vote"
Leftist in the USA like Obama and Hillary are crying.
I am glad our close Allies have shown US the path to a better economy and life , if we just stand up to the in-bed press and the in-breed Clintons.
CH: Trump has another idea you seem to agree with.
I will make the the new 1A
Donald Trump suggested canceling the election Thursday and granting himself the presidency.
Trump: 'We should just cancel the election and just give it to Trump'
“What a difference. You know, what a difference this is,” Trump said during a rally in Toledo, Ohio, after comparing his tax plan with Hillary Clinton’s.
“And just thinking to myself right now, we should just cancel the election and just give it to Trump, right? What are we even having it for? What are we having it for?” he asked. “Her policies are so bad.”
1: Do you believe that we should build the wall?
2: Do you believe the Mexican government will pay the bill?
3: Do you believe that Roe vs Wade should be overturned?
4: Do you believe that we should penalize women who get an abortion?
5: Do you believe that we should ban all Muslims from entering the country?
6: Do you believe that LGBT should be forbidden to get married?
7: Do you believe that we should expel every illegal immigrant?
8: Do you believe that if Donald Trump does not win, that he should not accept the voters results and wish our President good will?
9: Do you believe that Hillary Clinton will repeal the Second Amendment by herself?
10: Do you believe that all eleven women have accused Donald Trump of sexual misbehavior are lying?
11: Do you believe that the national election is rigged?
12: Do you believe that Donald J Trump is mentally qualified to be President?
13: Do you believe that we should use military force if sailors on an Iranian vessel give our sailors disrespectful hand gestures?
14: Do you want Japan, Saudi Arabia and South Korea have nuclear weapons at their control?
15: Do you believe that the United States should use nuclear weapons arbitrarily, not in response to nuclear attacks on our allies or this country?
Roger and James will still spam.
Loretta Russo said...
You never have anything to say except insults. and praise for male conservatives.
And Roger will still troll.
Roger - I already answered your stupid questions. Why do you keep posting them?
Isn't that single woman's out of pocket medical expenses capped at $6850 regardless of her deductible?
No you didn't answer my questions.
All of them are policy by Donald Trump.
You won't answer them because you don't agree with most of them. You aren't the asshole that Trump is, but you would look like an evil liberal.
As to your question.
If Clinton is really running 8-10 points ahead of where Obama ran against Romney, why are we not seeing it in the battleground states, where the election arguably appears closer than it was in 2012.
It's simple.
the national vote for Clinton is getting more total voters for her. The blue states have a bigger difference than in 2012. So those numbers are larger. You are not taking that as the reason.
I think, just my opinion. If there is a real surprise against Clinton, that out of the true Trump, that a significant percentage of the undecided will vote for Hillary Clinton. The larger negative distrust of Trump is going to give Clinton approximately 50%, Trump 43%, , Libertarian 7%, Green not even 1%
Trump is a unique candidate.
Roger - I answered your questions yesterday (October 26, 2016 at 9:17 PM) on the previous thread.
But like the fact you don't check the sidebar spreadsheet before informing us all of a poll that we knew about...
you don't bother to look.
A troll.
I missed it.
These two are not lies
4: Do you believe that we should penalize women who get an abortion?
5: Do you believe that we should ban all Muslims from entering the country?
Donald Trump has said that women should be penalized. Google it
Ban all Muslims. He said that. Again. Google it.
You are almost sane. How you can keep posting about almost every single issue Trump brings up. That makes no sense.
I consistently post in opposition to Trump, because I'm a partisan and strongly believe that Trump is dangerous to the country I love.
You are CH Truth. I think that you should remain more analytical than partisan. Your earlier years would look at things without an intense partisanship.
BTW, last night I posted before you or the racist rodent, who has become nothing but an ass, on the Wiki Leak story. It is an important story. Not one response from the usual suspects.
Breaking News
Biden is at the top of the internal short list Hillary Clinton’s transition team is preparing for her pick to be secretary of state, a source familiar with the planning tells POLITICO.
This would be the first major Cabinet candidate to go public for a campaign that’s insisted its focus remains on winning the election, and perhaps the most central choice for a potential president who was a secretary of state herself.
Story Continued Below
Neither Clinton, nor her aides have yet told Biden. According to the source, they’re strategizing about how to make the approach to the vice president, who almost ran against her in the Democratic primaries but has since been campaigning for her at a breakneck pace all over the country in these final months.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/clinton-biden-secretary-of-state-230428#ixzz4OLlPiAoH
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This is from Blumberg: The Trump campaign has not responded as I type this. Disturbing.
“We have three major voter suppression operations under way”
Several things jump out. Despite Trump’s claim that he doesn’t believe the polls, his San Antonio research team spends $100,000 a week on surveys (apart from polls commissioned out of Trump Tower) and has sophisticated models that run daily simulations of the election. The results mirror those of the more reliable public forecasters—in other words, Trump’s staff knows he’s losing. Badly. “Nate Silver’s results have been similar to ours,” says Parscale, referring to the polling analyst and his predictions at FiveThirtyEight, “except they lag by a week or two because he’s relying on public polls.” The campaign knows who it must reach and is still executing its strategy despite the public turmoil: It’s identified 13.5 million voters in 16 battleground states whom it considers persuadable, although the number of voters shrinks daily as they make up their minds.
Trump’s team also knows where its fate will be decided. It’s built a model, the “Battleground Optimizer Path to Victory,” to weight and rank the states that the data team believes are most critical to amassing the 270 electoral votes Trump needs to win the White House. On Oct. 18 they rank as follows: Florida (“If we don’t win, we’re cooked,” says an official), Ohio, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Georgia.
Trump believes he possesses hidden strength that may only materialize at the ballot box. At rallies, he’s begun speculating that the election will be like “Brexit times five,” implying that he’ll upend expectations much as the Brexit vote shocked experts who didn’t believe a majority of Britons would vote to leave the European Union. Trump’s data scientists, including some from the London firm Cambridge Analytica who worked on the “Leave” side of the Brexit initiative, think they’ve identified a small, fluctuating group of people who are reluctant to admit their support for Trump and may be throwing off public polls.
Still, Trump’s reality is plain: He needs a miracle. Back in May, newly anointed, he told Bloomberg Businessweek he would harness “the movement” to challenge Clinton in states Republicans haven’t carried in years: New York, New Jersey, Oregon, Connecticut, California. “I’m going to do phenomenally,” he predicted. Yet neither Trump’s campaign nor the RNC has prioritized registering and mobilizing the 47 million eligible white voters without college degrees who are Trump’s most obvious source of new votes, as FiveThirtyEight analyst David Wasserman noted.
To compensate for this, Trump’s campaign has devised another strategy, which, not surprisingly, is negative. Instead of expanding the electorate, Bannon and his team are trying to shrink it. “We have three major voter suppression operations under way,” says a senior official. They’re aimed at three groups Clinton needs to win overwhelmingly: idealistic white liberals, young women, and African Americans. Trump’s invocation at the debate of Clinton’s WikiLeaks e-mails and support for the Trans-Pacific Partnership was designed to turn off Sanders supporters. The parade of women who say they were sexually assaulted by Bill Clinton and harassed or threatened by Hillary is meant to undermine her appeal to young women. And her 1996 suggestion that some African American males are “super predators” is the basis of a below-the-radar effort to discourage infrequent black voters from showing up at the polls—particularly in Florida.
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Trump: "Some Form Of Punishment" For Women if Abortion Becomes Illegal; UPDATE
By Ian Schwartz
Posted on March 30, 2016
Donald Trump tells MSNBC if abortion becomes illegal women should face "some sort of punishment." Trump was speaking at a taped town hall event with Republican voters in Wisconsin moderated by Chris Matthews. The town hall will air in its entirety at 8pm on MSNBC.
UPDATE BELOW: Trump releases statement.
Transcript below, via MSNBC:
MATTHEWS: Should the woman be punished? For having an abortion?
TRUMP: Well look.
MATTHEWS: This is not something you can dodge.
TRUMP: It’s not—
MATTHEWS: If you say abortion is a crime or abortion is murder, you have to deal with it under the law. Should abortion be punished?
TRUMP: Well people in certain parts of the Republican party and conservatives Republicans would say, yes they should be punished.
MATTHEWS: How about you?
TRUMP: I would say that it’s a very serious problem and it’s a problem that we have to decide on. It’s very hard—
MATTHEWS: But you’re for banning it.
TRUMP: Are you going to say, well wait, are you going to say put them in jail? Is that the punishment you’re talking about?
MATTHEWS: No I’m asking you because you say you want to ban it. What does that mean?
TRUMP: I am against. I am pro-life. Yes. I am pro-life.
MATTHEWS: How do you ban abortion? How do you actually do it?
TRUMP: You know you’ll go back to a position like where they had where people perhaps will go to illegal places.
MATTHEWS: Yeah.
TRUMP: But you have to ban it. I’m against—
MATTHEWS: Yeah you ban it but they go to someone who flunked out of medical school and-
TRUMP: Are you Catholic?
MATTHEWS: Yes, I think I-I-I
TRUMP: And how do you feel about the Catholic church’s position?
MATTHEWS: I accept the teaching authority of my church on moral issues.
TRUMP: I know, but do you know what their position on abortion is?
MATTHEWS: Yes, I do.
TRUMP: And do you concur with that position?
MATTHEWS: I concur with their moral position but legally I want to get to the question—
TRUMP: No but let me ask you. What do you say about—
MATTHEWS: It’s not funny.
TRUMP: It’s really not funny. What do you say about your church? They’re very very strict.
MATTHEWS: The churches make their moral judgments, but you’re running for President of the United States to become Chief Executive of the United States. Do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no, as a principle?
TRUMP: The answer is there has to be some form of punishment.
MATTHEWS: For the woman?
TRUMP: Yes.
MATTHEWS: 10 cents, 10 years, what?
TRUMP: I don’t know. That I don’t know.
Pitiful spammer.
No twit. I responded to the question, and backed up what he called a lie. Then brought up breaking news. If I posted a picture of a head in a toilet you would explode. But racist rodent baby does that you almost cum in your ancient p%%sy.
Disgusting troll.
His stance has certainly changed from December 2015.
Donald Trump’s proposal to bar foreign Muslims from entering the country was among his most bombastic, helping him stand out in a crowded Republican primary field. Now the presumptive Republican nominee for president, the billionaire businessman appears to be reversing his stance. A timeline of Trump’s changing language on the issue:
December 2015
The real estate mogul-turned-presidential candidate shakes up the race when he announces that he wants to bar foreign Muslims from entering the country following the shooting in San Bernardino, California. “Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on,” his campaign says in a release.
http://fortune.com/2016/06/28/donald-trump-muslim-ban/
The Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump reads a statement issued by his campaign office on Monday calling for a ‘total and complete shutdown’ on Muslims entering the US. Stating that ‘we have no choice’, Trump goes on to say that the authorities should be looking at mosques as there is ‘anger’ within them, and calls on the audience to report ‘violations’ without regard for being accused of ‘profiling’
“Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on,”
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i'm not seeing a problem here.
you're purportedly some kind of a construction expert so let me ask you a question -
you arrive on a construction site. you quickly learn that the structure is completely infested with termites and carpenter ants.
do you invite more termites and carpenter ants in to finish destroying the building, or do you call an exterminator?
it looks to me like while trump would call terminix, you'd sit back and wait until the structure collapsed into a pile of sawdust, and then wonder what the fuck just happened.
it looks to me like while trump would call terminix, you'd sit back and wait until the structure collapsed into a pile of sawdust, and then wonder what the fuck just happened.
No, he'd blame Bush
Maybe the questions should be raised as to whether there really is a termite infestation, or is that just convenient political propaganda?
Just in time for Ch to enjoy with his breakfast--
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Today in Self-Delusion
A new meme, of sorts, has emerged in the pro-Trump corners of the world, as supporters grasp at straws to persuade themselves that Donald Trump is going to win this thing. It goes something like this:
Ronald Reagan trailed Jimmy Carter 47-39 just 10 days before the election of 1980
The Donald trails Hillary Clinton by a similar margin right now
Reagan won easily
Therefore, Trump will win easily
Needless to say, this requires a very selective reading of the data. As RedState.com's Streiff points out, there was indeed a late poll that had Carter up by 8 points. However, it came out amidst a sea of polls that had Reagen up, often by 5 points or more.
This being the case, the actual historical lesson goes something like this:
Just about everyone thought Reagan was going to win in 1980
Reagan did win, easily
Just about everyone thinks Clinton is going to win in 2016
Therefore...
We will let you fill in the rest for yourself.
--Christopher Bates
The GOP Headed for a Long Civil War
Politico:
“This election, the conventional wisdom goes, has done tremendous damage to the American body politic, but nowhere is the damage as severe as it is inside the party that nominated the wrecking ball known as Donald Trump. Now the party of Ronald Reagan is being led by a man with no discernible ideological leanings, save for an affinity with some of history’s ugliest. In the face of mounting evidence that Hillary Clinton is set to dominate the electoral map on November 8, Republicans across the right side of the spectrum recognize there’s defeat coming. And behind the scenes, in conversations and closed-door venues—the Hoover gathering was not open to the public—the people who once considered themselves the heart, or at least the head, of the party have begun a very pessimistic reckoning.
“As yet there seems to be no coherent vision for what kind of future November 9 brings for the Republican Party—or, for that matter, if there will even be a Republican Party they could support.”
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This could not have happened except for the fact that the GOP has become a poor excuse for a party allegedly representing all the people.
Cali, Thanks for all the updates you have given us over the years on The Very Un-Affordable Care Act, aka Hillary Care, Aka ObimboCare.
One of the people that worked on it stated yesterday , that the problem with the act is that it does not have harsh enough penalties on those Americans that don't sign up .
Jonathan Gruber: Obamacare is 'working as designed'?
Really , it was designed to destroy our delivery and payment system and cause huge pain on the people.
'We Need a Larger Mandate Penalty' Grubber
So that is what is needed IF your part of the O'Hillary Punish Americans First Team.
Really, so IF we Hire Hillary, She will punish Americans ever more.
Given that Trump wants abortions to be illegal, why would there not be penalties for having an abortion? Is it really scandalous to punish people who violate laws?
Roger - from your story:
Donald Trump tells MSNBC if abortion becomes illegal women should face "some sort of punishment."
He was asked a hypothetical. If Roe V Wade was overturned, and abortion became illegal in certain states... should there be punishment. The rest of the interview was purposely placed out of context to not disclose that fact.
This is just more you simply not being able to pay attention or not being smart enough to process the information.
So Roger:
What laws can you think of that exist, where there are no consequences for breaking them? Why would a legal ban against Abortion be treated any differently than a legal ban against anything else?
Can you give a list of laws that should be able to be broken without punishment?
You are either really stupid or really gullible... or possibly both.
The real damage, that you perhaps don't see yet, is in the rotted foundations of the Democratic Party. Granted the Republicans have hurt themselves, due to, in my opinion, eight years of embracing lies, hate and the pursuit of damaging policy, but the fractures they suffer arise from the electorate and the electorate will fix it.
The Democrats on the other hand have done everything they can to railroad the electorate to appoint a candidate, based on leverage and influence among the Party elite. If Clinton wins the Democrats will see the method as a template for success, where the views of their constituents are not even secondary. It will damage the party permanently.
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