Wednesday, October 12, 2016

If Hillary is just being a politician...

Maybe that is why so many Americans want a political outsider?

How you react to the emails will almost certainly depend on how you already felt about Clinton. A diehard Bernie Sanders fan who sees Clinton as a corporate Democrat driven by expedience will find confirmation in her vacillation over what kind of Wall Street reform to support, her backing of the Bowles-Simpson plan that would have cut spending on entitlement programs, and her musing in a paid speech that “you need both a public and a private position” on policy. In mentioning the dual positions, she was making a comparison to Steven Spielberg’s Lincoln and the unsavory political machinations Honest Abe had to undertake to achieve ratification of the 13th Amendment. 
Those who view Clinton as hopelessly liberal, craven, and corrupt will seize, as the Trump campaign has, on her stated “dream” of “a hemispheric common market with open trade and open borders.” They’ll smell conspiracy when they read hints that a Clinton campaign spokesman who formerly worked for the Justice Department got a heads up on a court hearing related to the release of her State Department emails. The Trump campaign said it was evidence of “collusion” between the campaign and the Justice Department. 
The most common thread in the Podesta emails, however, is that they show a political candidate being political. Not much more, and not much less.

Obviously the release of Hillary's emails have shown more than this particular author would like to admit, such as the pay for play scam she ran through the State Department, as well as the obvious collusion between the Clinton Foundation and her job at the State Department. But either way, I understand what this guy is trying to say. Hillary is not "much worse" than a normal politician.




On that point I would argue that indeed Hillary is actually "much worse" than a typical average politician when it comes to corruption. Mainly because no politician not named Clinton would still have a political future after Whitewater, China-gate, Travel-gate, and the adulterous mess that the Clinton's call a marriage.  But after all that she still managed to become Secretary of State, where most Americans (and nearly all legal experts) believe she broke the law with her reckless use of a private email server for confidential information, as well as her admitted intentional destruction of subpoenaed documents. She broke multiple rules (and possible laws) tying the State Department to the Clinton foundation. To say she also perjured herself under oath, would be akin to saying that the sun rises in the east.  To say she told bald faced lies to the American public over and over would be akin to saying the sun sets in the west.

Bottom line... the fact that some people want to argue that this sort of behavior is "acceptable" for our leaders, because it's just a politician being a politician... is why there will be tens of millions of voters supporting a brash, crude, fast talking reality television celebrity come November.

39 comments:

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

"...there will be tens of millions of voters supporting a brash, crude, fast talking reality television celebrity come November."
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And there will be even more tens of millions of voters voting against him.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

CH,considering how Trump acted today in his speeches. WOW, well over the top.

And the NY Times has a story of him touching two more women inappropriately.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/13/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html?_r=0

It's over my friend. It's over.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

My friend, CH, three stories today, about sexual assault by Donald Trump. Instead of attacking Hillary, if you are really a man who is the coldheartedtruth, cannot call the Republican candidate as unfit to be President. I posted all three of the new stories that came out tonight, and you just went back to ancient email. I don't get it.

I appreciate that you allow me to post, and we differ at almost every level, but this man should never be any closer to the White House than the prisoner bus goes by the building.

C.H. Truth said...

Roger...

Think about it.

A completely unsubstantiated 30 year old claim about Donald Trump's private life.

vs

New Hard evidence released this week regarding how Hillary Clinton acted while she was entrusted to be the Secretary of State.


Interesting that you would see the first as relevant to being President and the second as "old news" that doesn't matter.

opie said...



A completely unsubstantiated 30 year old claim about Donald Trump's private life.

Which is getting lots of attention from the biased media. Just another example of not being able to keep it in his zipper and I am sure will make lots of women converts to his BS. His world is imploding due to his own actions and words. Keep supporting him. Another day of explaining his private life which ain't so private when you run for POTUS. Maybe we should see his tax returns and see how little he paid in federal taxes. Seems to me, sexual assault is okay in your world.

Commonsense said...

Gee when it was Bill Clinton who was running "it was just sex".

Hypocrisy - bedrock - liberalism.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

A completely unsubstantiated 30 year old claim about Donald Trump's private life.
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I thought that relatives and/or friends learned of these incidents at the time and have verified that they were told of them soon after they happened. The NYT would not have published without some such verification.

And aren't other allegations now surfacing in People magazine and other places?

Pretty soon The Donald may be looking like Bill Cosby.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Writer Says She Was Attacked by Trump In 2005

Oct 12--Natahsa Stoynoff writes for People magazine about how she was physically attacked by Donald Trump at Mar-a-Largo in 2005:

"We walked into that room alone, and Trump shut the door behind us. I turned around, and within seconds, he was pushing me against the wall, and forcing his tongue down my throat.

"Now, I’m a tall, strapping girl who grew up wrestling two giant brothers. I even once sparred with Mike Tyson. It takes a lot to push me. But Trump is much bigger—a looming figure—and he was fast, taking me by surprise, and throwing me off balance.

"I was stunned. And I was grateful when Trump’s longtime butler burst into the room a minute later, as I tried to unpin myself."

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

5th Teen Beauty Queen Confirms Trump Visit

“A fifth Miss Teen USA pageant contestant came forward Wednesday night to say that like four others who have spoken to BuzzFeed News, she recalled Donald Trump entering the group dressing room while teenagers were changing their clothes during the 1997 pageant.”

Said Victoria Hughes: “It was certainly the most inappropriate time to meet us all for the first time. The youngest girl was 15, and I was the eldest at 19.”
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Trump Says He’ll Sue the New York Times

“Donald Trump is threatening to sue The New York Times for defamation in response to a Times article published Wednesday night that quoted two women who accused Trump of kissing and groping them without their consent,” Politico reports.

He’s also threatened to sue the Palm Beach Post for a similar story published last night.
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CNN: “If the Trump campaign does proceed with lawsuits, it will give both the Times and the Post the opportunity to pursue discovery and request information on Trump’s entire sexual history, because Trump would have the burden of proving falsity and actual malice.”

Commonsense said...

In order to verify the story I would have asked.
1. What airline were you flying on?
2. Origin and time of departure?
3. Arrival time and destination?

The would be enough information to search the archives to see if Trump was even on the same plane.

She was very non-specific about the story. Saying only it was a tall blond man she later identified as Trump.

The other thing that was fishy about the story was that she was asked if she would like to move from coach to first class for no apparent reason.

The was a time before frequent flyer programs and airlines just don't do this.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

LOL
The usual CS obfuscatory BS.

And no, she said when she sat down Trump immediately introduced himself.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Trump Pulls Out of Virginia

Donald Trump’s campaign is “pulling out of Virginia,” a move that stunned staff in the battleground state, three sources with knowledge of the decision told NBC News.

“The decision came from Trump’s headquarters in New York and was announced on a conference call late Wednesday that left some Republican Party operatives in the state blindsided. Two staffers directly involved in the GOP’s efforts in Virginia confirmed the decision.”
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ANOTHER SIGN THAT IT'S ALL OVER.

Anonymous said...


ah, the obligatory decades-old claims of sexual abuse right before the election.

i certainly hope that the clinton campaign was at least smart enough to pay the accusers in cash rather than with a clinton crime family foundation check.

opie said...

James said...
Trump Pulls Out of Virginia

Something trump never does \!!!! LOL

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

ah, the obligatory decades-old claims of sexual abuse right before the election.
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Well, I would not so much describe them as obligatory as stupid when made by The Donald just before the election.

He invited the floodgates to open.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

The following is all paraphrased:

Earlier, on the tape:
TRUMP: I grabbed women and kissed them without their consent.

DEBATE QUESTIONER: Did you do that?

TRUMP: No. That was just talk.

SEVERAL WOMEN NOW: He's lying. He did that.

TRUMP: I'll sue!

Commonsense said...

And no, she said when she sat down Trump immediately introduced himself.

No, She said the man introduce himself as Trump. Without the answers to the questions I posed, you can't independently verify Trump was even on the same plane.

And my resident expert in women's issues said that her "reluctance" to say anything because of the culture at the time was bullshit. If some man puts his hand up your skirt you would say something. That was still boorish behavior even in the 70's and 80's.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

All the women accusing Trump SAID what they said.

It's called testimony.

Enough corroboratory testimony from credible witnesses often results in a conviction.

C.H. Truth said...

The NYT would not have published without some such verification.

Of course James...

And CBS/60 Minutes/Dan Rather would not have ran a story about George W Bush without first checking to see if the document they were using as proof, was actually created in Microsoft word.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Desperately snatching at straws, Ch?

I am not going to go on shooting fish in all these barrels.

Just go to
electoral-vote.com
and
politicalwire.com
and look at all the barrels for yourselves!

opie said...


And CBS/60 Minutes/Dan Rather

Desperate are we CH? Let the law suits begin since trump is an expert at filling them. Let me know how they come out. LOL His ass is grass and you know it.

Commonsense said...

It would have been more credible had they come out in October of 2015 instead of October of 2016.

Now it just smacks as dirty politics, not that you really care for the truth.

The reason Clinton's accusers were credible was they accused him all along, all the way back to when he was running for governor of Arkansas.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Trump said he grabbed and kissed women without their consent but now says he never grabbed and kissed women without their consent.

Is that just dirty politics?

opie said...

Now it just smacks as dirty politics,

Like hillary lost 6 billion dollars sense. Bill was worse than me. Or is that that the truth in cultist world.????

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

“There’s a big Trump and a little Trump. The little Trump is frankly pathetic.”
— Newt Gingrich, in an interview on Fox Business.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Can We Get Through the Next 25 Days?

Elizabeth Drew: “Already, not just the Republican Party but our body politic have sustained a serious blow. Now, there’s a new sense of peril—whether we will get through this election without chaos and violence. Much is in the hands of the outsider who came in, broke all the understood rules, and took over the party he’d chosen for the furtherance of himself. At some moments in our history our democracy can seem fragile. This is one of them.”

caliphate4vr said...

i certainly hope that the clinton campaign was at least smart enough to pay the accusers in cash rather than with a clinton crime family foundation check.

My thought exactly, I guess the checks have cleared

opie said...


Anonymous caliphate4vr said...
My thought exactly, I guess the checks have cleared

Once again proving you have never had an original thought, only can C&P what others think for you.,

Cue another UGA graduate remark.

Commonsense said...

Trump said he grabbed and kissed women without their consent but now says he never grabbed

No, he said you can [being famous]. That's a big diffrence.

KD said...

Mrs. Clinton said: "My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, sometime in the future with energy that's as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere."


Do you share her dream, if you vote for her you do.

IF not for WikiLeaks we would not know so much about Hillary.

Bill Cosby = Bill Clinton

KD, The Economy Matters to Real Voters said...

One of the posters here told us repeatedly that he knows about the building trades and trends, economically.

This same poster told us over the last 8 years that this Economic is in fact "Booming".

New Residential Sales - -7.6*


* US Census

KD, First Lady Huma said...

That same poster will talk about anything but the facts.






Construction Spending -0.7*

KD, 13 Cops Shot, Two Dead, O'Hillary Party said...

What is going on in O'Hillary's America, you know she said the COPS are in the basket of Deplorables and that Catholics are maggots.

"Gunman killed after wounding 11 Boston cops, two critically
Boston police shot and killed a man wearing body armor and wielding an assault rifle who critically injured two officers responding to a domestic disturbance call late Wednesday, according to Police Commissioner William Evans.


Evans said the two officers — one a 28-year veteran and the other a 12-year veteran of the Boston police force — were hospitalized in “extremely critical condition.”

“We’re asking for everyone’s prayers to help pull them through,” he told WBZ radio."


Trump has asked all to pray (even the Catholics) for the dead Cops and for the injured cops.

He said the murderer is going to "Rot in Hell".

Commonsense said...

The latest Rasmussen Reports White House Watch national telephone and online survey shows Trump with 43% support among Likely U.S. Voters to Clinton’s 41%

Myballs said...

Simple accusations are not testimony. But as harry reid admitted, sometimes they are enough.

"It worked, didn't it?"

More evidence........see duke lacrosse.

Its nothing more than a slanderous smear. I hope Trump's attorneys slap a lawsuit on them.

opie said...


Ballz, There is an old saying, do not pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the gallon. Vicious claims per donnie. Idiots. I guess starting Isis was a friendly saying. Let the law suits begin and let me know how it goes. LOL

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

HEADLINES AT POLITICALWIRE.COM

Trump Repeatedly Called Deaf Actress ‘Retarded’

Big Donors Demand RNC Cut Ties to Trump

The New York Times Responds to Trump
-------- Be sure to read the short, three paragraph letter. The way it ends is priceless:

Russia Is Seeking to Delegitimize the U.S. Electoral System
--"with an unwilling assist from an irresponsible presidential candidate spewing unsupported claims about rigged elections.”

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...


Trump Says Global Conspiracy Trying to Stop Him

“Donald Trump issued a breathtaking call to arms Thursday as he emphatically denied allegations that he groped and kissed multiple women without their consent, charging that his accusers were part of a global conspiracy to extinguish his outsider movement,” the Washington Post reports.

“Scrambling to turn around his floundering campaign, Trump declared war on the media and multinational corporations, alleging they are colluding with Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton to orchestrate “the single greatest pile-on in history” and undermine his campaign, which he said was an ‘existential threat’ to the global establishment.”

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Senate GOP Drops Trump In Fundraising Pitches

“The campaign arm of Senate Republicans has all but excised Donald Trump’s name from their email pitches after previously making him central to their online fundraising efforts — a sign of just how toxic the GOP nominee has become since the video of his lewd comments came out last week,” Politico reports.
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Sounds like the problem is with a Republican conspiracy.

wphamilton said...

"But after all that she still managed to become Secretary of State"

This political appointment was Obama's single biggest mistake, and may well define his legacy. Consider, a corrupt political power, which owes its influence not to the American people but to secret connections, secret exchanges of favors, and vast flows of money, has already suborned the nomination of a major party. That candidate is likely to win, and the result can only prove to reinforce that corrupt, undemocratic process and cement the corrupt power structure.

Never mind how badly either of these candidates may govern, and make no mistake they are both incompetent, the long term danger is to the foundation of our democratic process. A government of, by and for the people will become an amusing anachronism.

A person of integrity will base his decisions on the foundation of principle regardless of his fear of personal consequences, regardless of the danger. Even if that decision rebounds away from his political philosophy, the man who chooses to betray his bedrock principles, no matter what he has gained has lost everything. Our vote in this election is clearly a choice like this. Don't vote out of fear, don't try to game it because that game is unwinnable. Those of you who vote for corruption, well that's what you're going to get.