It could still be considered an electoral landslide, depending on how the close states break. But I don't think it will be considered that when the dust settles.
C.H. Who called Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota? Haven't seen that yet. Sean Trende is going ape on Twitter over the Michigan results - as in Trump is doing REALLY well.
Right now with Clinton in VA and NC, Trump Florida, Michigan Trump. and with CA and NM for Clinton. 273-259 Clinton. She has to get VA and NC or Trump wins.
Wisconsin, Michigan, will be upsets Indy. Three tossups FL, NC, NH all Trump. The only happy hope for Clinton right now is her lead in Iowa, but not a lot of vote is counted there.
Every pundit including me, sure missed this. I can see Trump winning. But it it is like my count, 273 259, he will not concede. It might get ugly beyond belief.
OK CS, if NC is Trump, it is Michigan, Michigan Michigan. I've got an active map. I am giving Clinton Pennsylvania. Trump Ohio. And with CO and NM with Clinton it is Michigan. If he wins, if I drank, I would have a massive hangover to tomorrow.
WP, I don't see Nevada saving Clinton if Michigan (or Pennsylvania) falls. She'd need New Hampshire AND Iowa as well to counter that loss, and that still leaves her at only 268 EV. Winning Maine's second CD would get her to 269, but the GOP will control about 30 of the 50 state delegations if it goes to the House.
Indy I was assuming Clinton Iowa, not a done deal, but I'll defer to your sums either way. Trump's got the inside track, clearly winning at this point.
Odd that North Carolina and Florida went to Trump while Georgia still isn't called. Probably means that most of what hasn't reported is in Atlanta and other Democratic areas (Trump is well ahead in the actuals).
It's a chump sell-off, the big investors had already corrected for a Trump win. No worries Roger, unless you're one of the ones selling. Technical rally after the pain point.
wp, our incomes are defined benefit for life incomes. So no problem.
Unless Trump destroys Medcade. She has to hold onto Minneapolis, Nevada, Michigan. a slight chance. She also has to hold PA and Michigan and Wisconsin.
Voting for Donald Trump is like asking Stevie Wonder to drive. So says Stevie Wonder.
The music icon who is blind made the comparison during an interview with Philly.com after his Get Out The Vote concert for Hillary Clinton on Friday in Philadelphia.
“If you had an emergency situation and needed to go to the hospital, and you had to get there right away, would you want me driving your car?” he asked, to which the reporter replied “no.” He added, “Because I’m not an experienced driver, right?”
The 66-year-old then said Clinton’s track record alone makes her a better candidate.
“So my belief is that Hillary is an experienced person of the government, and she has spent 30 years with a commitment. Not to mention that her parents taught her in a kinder way, to have respect and love for all people. That’s the person I want to govern, to be the leader of this nation,” he said.
The 25-time Grammy award winner also slammed Trump for using his platform to make negative remarks about women, Muslims and Latinos. Wonder said that he would hate to have the “last years of my life in a place of pessimism” under a Trump presidency.
“This is not a reality show. This is life in reality,” he said. “So I’m with her because I believe in where we are, and where we are going to go. I have always believed that America is great. We’re just going to make it greater.”
Every pundit including me _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
you're not a pundit alky. you're just a run of the mill asshole.
World markets are down 8%. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
in other financial news, world donations to the clinton crime family foundation are down 80%.
Donald J Trump is not my President. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
mine either... yet.
but once we get the stench of sulfur out of the white house he will be.
I disagree rrb, Nate silver was defending himself when he kept trumps chances at 34% when he was being attacked by huff post and everyone else, he kept saying the undecided and 3rd party were too high to have any certainty, despite the polls. He may be vindicated.
Books will be written about this election. But for now, the key point: Obama failed. He is a failed president. This is his successor? We knew that Obama couldn’t sell anything but himself, but we didn’t realize how much that was true. Nor did we realize how much the Democrats’ coalition was really a transient Obama coalition; how unpopular Obamacare was; or how bad an idea it was to run a candidate as damaged as Hillary.
I am on the record as being opposed to Donald Trump, and I shall likely stay that way. But I have two hopes. The first is that he proves me wrong. The second: That the disgraceful progressive moment, which has spent years trying to dissolve the Madisonian system of checks and balances, will come finally to its senses. I cannot say I hold out much hope that, culturally, we will go from “opposition is racist” to “opposition is virtuous” in the space of just two months. But perhaps we will. Perhaps now separation of powers will be seen as a good thing. Perhaps now those who advocate it will be cast as something other than revanchists.
Perhaps now Chris Hayes will realize — urgently — that “if Congress won’t act, I will” is not remotely acceptable.
In a couple of months, Donald Trump will be president, the Senate will be Republican-led, and the House will be run by Paul Ryan. What a sordid legacy for the man who would have been Democrats’ Reagan.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/442003/obamas-legacy-trump-presidency
ironically, their immigration website went down last night."
Yep, Facts are those older idiot runaway liberals are barred from becoming full time Residences of those nations because they have older people age restrictions.
Top reason those old people coming in and wanting to stay will become a "burden" on the social hammock.
Myballs said... Hillary never went to the podium. A classless act to be sure."
No wonder a google search does not show her speech to her losers.
My God, oh well she can now go full time fleecing the world of money, but, will they still give , given she lost, will be interesting to see if that foundation folds .
Nate Silver was the least wrong of the pundits. The only thing that would have made him more right was to admit that trying to call this election was an exercise in futility. :)
I can't say that I'm happy that Trump won, but have to admit that I'm thrilled that the Democratic elite's corrupt usurping of political power was not rewarded.
There are headlines this morning already about a leadership crisis in the Democratic Party. I don't believe that it's true, because I don't believe that the Democratic Party HAS a leadership. Personal political careers, accumulation of power, money and leverage yes, but no leadership. This election, and their communications laid bare, have made it abundantly clear.
i agree that he was the least wrong, but i would insist that his inherent biases prevented him from calling it what it really was. a toss up / dead heat / anybody's guess.
imo, all of the pollsters need re-evaluate their polling methods, confirmation biases, and objectivity, and at the very least understand that the public they're polling views them as being part of the msm. the anecdotal evidence - huge rallies, thousands of miles of trump signs, etc., was even admitted on MSDNC last night. kasie hunt came right out and said that they fucked up and missed it. live in the bubble, die in the bubble.
when guys like pat caddell are out two weeks ago predicting what the majority of the pollsters missed, there's something wrong.
"The only thing that would have made him more right was to admit that trying to call this election was an exercise in futility. :)"
except that when you look at your own polling sidebar no one had the balls to call it a flat out toss-up / dead heat. 3 went trump, and the rest were all clinton.
they all had to lean hillary so they could feel good about themselves. and over the next few days all they'll do is make excuses for missing it while never admitting why.
and rich, i will agree that while nate SHOULD be run out of town on a rail and shamed out of existence, he WILL be vindicated, because when liberals fail there's never a consequence for their failure. more than anything, trump's victory speaks to what a miserable failure the obama presidency has been, but it the long run that will never be admitted.
for chrissakes, look at bob shrum. that clown is still considered some sort of political sage, and he's never even won a race for dog catcher.
rrb, you can't be serious that the election was a referendum on Obama's presidency. The DNC installed the worst possible candidate, and this election became a year-long nose-holding contest.
I'll agree that Nate Silver got it wrong though. He'd have been better off coming here for advice than adjusting his data for wish-fulfilling.
The fact that 2010 and 2014 were also strong rebukes of Obama, his agenda, his politicised DOJ, IRS and FBI, and his divisive sarcasm does support the assertion that some of this was I n fact about him
wp, i'm very serious. yes the dems ran the most flawed candidate they could have, but even the msm and the left are admitting that the voters are saying "ENOUGH!" "FULL STOP!" on the mess that obama has delivered to us over the past 8 years. the stimulus failed, obamacare is imploding, iran has been awarded full nuclear capability, the list goes on and on.
Donald Trump's win brings up a whole bunch of questions going forward, Some of the more interesting ones are these:
*What will Obama say to Trump when they meet? *Can Trump calm the markets and the world? *Will Trump reach out to those who oppose him *Will the Democrats fight Trump tooth and nail with filibusters? *What will Republicans who opposed Trump do now?
We are definitely in uncharted territory. Not only is Trump completely inexperienced in governing, but he is not someone who likes to play second fiddle to anyone. A possible, but unlikely screnario is that vice president-elect Mike Pence, Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI), and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) get together every Monday morning to plan how to run the government that week, while Trump goes off to hold big rallies. The only recent precedents are President Eisenhower, who put the country on autopilot while he went out golfing, and President Reagan, who had lots of government experience but little interest in the details of running the country. But Trump isn't really like either of these. (Andrew Tannenbaum at electoral-vote.com)
How Did This Happen?
In the coming days there is going to be a lot of 20-20 hindsight about how the greatest upset in American history happened. We will cover it. Here are some initial thoughts.
*A lot of people in the country are very angry with both parties and Trump promised radical change
*Sexism, racist, and generally bigotry was always there, it just needed a champion and it found one
*Clinton saw that a lot of Democrats preferred Bernie, but she simply couldn't plausibly become Bernie
*Many Sanders' voters grudgingly voted for Clinton, but didn't volunteer, donate, or bring their friends along
*A lot of people saw Trump as a decisive leader based on his TV show
*Trump had a simple message: "Let's go back to the 1950s"; Clinton didn't have any message at all
*Comey's letter may have influenced millions of votes before he finally said: "Oops, only lap pix on the laptop"
*The influence of the Latino vote was greatly overestimated
*The Republicans brilliantly made a mountain out of a molehill a.k.a. an email server
When the exit poll data starts to come in, we'll have a better idea what really happened. To some extent, Trump's wins in Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Iowa are all part of the "revenge of the angry white blue-collar man" story. North Carolina and Florida don't fit that pattern. We'll have to wait to see what happened there. (Tannenbaum)
One silver lining for the Democrats is that it makes life somewhat easier in 2018, when half a dozen Democrats in red states are up for reelection in the Senate. Traditionally, the party in the White House loses seats in the midterms, and now that will be the Republican Party. Also, with complete control of all branches of government, the Republicans are going to have to deliver. That won't be so easy. The stock market is already looking grim. Suppose we have a Trump recession? Trump isn't going to be able to bring back millions of factory jobs. What happens when his supporters discover that it's not going to happen and they were suckered? What happens when he discovers that Congress is in no mood to finance a $20 billion wall and Mexico really is not going to pay for it? He could ban all Muslims from entering the country, but suppose he does and all the Arab countries say: "You want to fight ISIS? Go ahead. We're not going to help." Trump could appoint a very young, very conservative judge to the Supreme Court, but most of his other promises aren't really doable and his followers are bound to be disappointed when they belatedly discover this. (Tannenbaum)
wp, i'm very serious. yes the dems ran the most flawed candidate they could have, but even the msm and the left are admitting that the voters are saying "ENOUGH!" "FULL STOP!"
WP you would think that after 8 years of being called deplorable, racist, sexist bigots, white working class Americans would get a little tired of it.
Donald Trump will be the next President of the United States. This is, almost certainly, the most stunning result in American political history. There's Dewey and Truman, of course, but at least Truman was an experienced politician and a sitting president. Trump will be the first POTUS with neither military nor public service on his resume.
Over the next several days, we'll cover some of the fallout from this earth-shattering development. For now, a few immediate questions, lessons, etc.:
How can the pollsters ever show their faces again? They missed, early and often, over and over. For all the recent polling embarrassments, this one will be the king for a very long time.
Beyond polling, every other "clue" that we have for predicting an election has been thrown into question. Unemployment is 4.9% The stock market is as high as it's ever been. Obama's approval rating is sky-high (by modern standards). The betting markets were wrong. The polling aggregators (including us) were wrong. The exit polls were wrong.
Similarly, everything we thought we knew about campaigning was apparently in error. Conventions? Don't matter. Debates? Don't matter. Endorsements? Don't matter. High-profile defections? Don't matter. Missteps? Don't matter? Commercials? Don't matter. Ground game? Doesn't matter. An All-Star team of campaign surrogates, including one former president, one sitting president, and a wildly popular first lady? Doesn't matter. The "blue wall"? Not a thing.
Could Hillary Clinton have run a better campaign? In retrospect, she probably should have invested more time and resources in the Rust Belt, but otherwise she ran the modern campaign playbook with great skill. There does not seem to be much more that she could have done.
Does Trump appear to be headed for a disastrous presidency? Historical precedent says yes, and yet historical precedent was turned on its ear tonight. One obvious question: Exactly how badly would he have to mess up to lose his re-election bid?
The GOP is going to get a nice, long run with its hands on the levers of power. The party has the White House for at least four years. The House is gerrymandered nine ways to Sunday, and the Senate map in 2018 is ghastly for the blue team, so the GOP will have Congress for four years.
What will Trump's relationship with the GOP be like? Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) held him at arm's length, he clashed with Marco Rubio, Gov. John Kasich (R-OH) was nothing but disdainful, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) slammed Trump at his own convention. Meanwhile, there are going to be plenty of new officeholders who owe their jobs to Trump's coattails.
Are we really going to have an Attorney General Christie? Secretary of State Gingrich? Secretary of Homeland Security Rudy Giuliani?
It will take a long time to unravel some of the mysteries of November 8. How, for example, did Donald Trump capture more Latino voters than Mitt Romney? How did nearly half of the non-college women vote for the man behind P***ygate? Was there really a Bradley effect, where people were lying about whom they planned to vote for?
The new power brokers are, it would seem, white working class voters. Will Trump re-center the nation's priorities on them? Can he? Many of those jobs that left are not coming back. Trump and Congress could change the laws to make it unprofitable for companies to do their manufacturing abroad (over the dead bodies of the GOP establishment and donors) but if those factories do come back, they will be modern factories employing 100 computer engineers, 100 mechanical engineers, 10,000 robots, and 0 blue-collar workers.
On a related point, was this a bloodletting that the establishment needed? The Democrats have spent quite a few years focusing on the concerns of coastal elites and minorities at the expense of other constituencies. The Republicans have spent years obstructing, and waving shiny objects like gay marriage, while doing the bidding of the business wing of the party. Those who are disheartened tonight might hold out hope that Tuesday night's stinging rebuke, which was directed at both Democrats and Republicans, will cause a reboot of some sort. Perhaps the nation can, one day in the not-too-distant future, get back to a place where compromise is possible and the filibuster is not the first card that Senators play.
Russia is likely very happy tonight, Ukraine, China, and Mexico are not. Trump seems likely to make America's relationship with the more difficult countries of the world (Iran, North Korea, etc.) worse. Meanwhile, will America's traditional allies be able to work with The Donald? To take him seriously? Will America have any moral authority any more?
What's going to be first to go? Obamacare? The Paris Accords? NAFTA? NATO? Surely, PaddyPower will be taking bets soon.
To those who may have thought we were living in a post-racial world, keep in mind that the KKK had their best night in 50 years. And, as CNN's Van Jones pointed out, part of the story on Tuesday night was "whitelash."
Further, will we be able to have a national conversation about sexism? There can be little question that at least some of the opposition to Hillary Clinton was gender-based. Meanwhile, 50 million people have bestowed their vote on a man who, at very least, objectifies women in the coarsest of terms. And, at worst, who thinks nothing of sexually assaulting them.
Whither the Democratic Party? Everyone thought 2020 would be a bitter struggle for the soul of the Republican Party, between the evangelicals, the mainstream Republicans, and the populists. Instead, it's going to be a struggle for the soul of the blue team. Who will emerge victorious? The establishment Democrats, in the person of a Martin O'Malley or a Gov. Jay Nixon (D-MO)? The progressives, with an Elizabeth Warren or a Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) or a Sen. Jeff Merkeley (D-OR) carrying the torch? Or maybe Sen. Tim Kaine (D-VA) carrying the establishment banner. Some other faction?
What, exactly, is going to happen with the Trump University case? What happens if a sitting president is convicted of fraud? The GOP, if recent memory serves, has been pretty eager to impeach any president found guilty of such behavior.
This is just a first draft; many more good questions and observations will be raised in the next few days, once some of the dust has settled. (Christopher Bates)
We haven't heard the last of the Clinton's. Insiders in the Justice Department, insiders in State, enough pull to have the FBI twisting in the wind, and entrenched at all Party levels. "Leverage" against national figures. Even if the party heads are deposed, even if Trump can somehow purge insiders, it's not certain that President Trump will have the political power or will that it would take to evict Clinton's from the halls of power. Political power, the lowest base kind that involves "leverage", backroom deals, and personal destruction, is what has kept them both out of jail. They will not abdicate that willingly, nor without a vicious fight.
WP you would think that after 8 years of being called deplorable, racist, sexist bigots, white working class Americans would get a little tired of it.
I actually do think that was part of it, if not to that extreme. Americans are tired of being blamed, attacked for "white privilege" among other things, and the racial politics that had gotten out of hand. It likely motivated some of the voters, but it doesn't make the election a referendum on Obama. This was, as clearly as you'll ever see, a rejection of Clinton.
James, you are quoting people who are simply trying to rationalize their own public ignorance. Those questions aren't that hard - the pundits posing them would like to pretend that there are mysteries that no one could have predicted, but we've been going on about them even here for months.
WP, Obamacare was always the elephant in the room especially when people out of work were forced to buy a health insurance policy at ridiculous rates that cover everything the bureaucrats want while actually doing nothing to cover health issues at all.
It was an elaborate shell game and everybody knows it.
The first thing out of the box is to repeal Obamacare and make healthcare affordable again by allowing companies to sell cheap major medical policies to young healthy people to get them back into the risk pool.
It was a warning to both parties' elites that large numbers of the American white working class
No, it wasn't. Iit was a vast repudiation of the liberal Democrat agenda.
Trump had coattails, Democrats not only lost the presidency, they also failed to win control of the senate and lost more statehouses and governorships.
There is no way to spin this. It was an utter catastrophic defeat for the Democrats.
I didn't get it wrong. I knew (and stated as much time and time again) that this could go either way. I argued that anyone who thought that these polls told a consistent story was simply seeing a mirage.
If I had if figured (and I wasn't the only one)... then it's hard to argue that nobody saw it.
As much as you continued to push these alternate opinions in my face (and acting as if they were more credible) - you should at least acknowledge that I was way more closer to being "right" than any of your pundits you follow.
There is another possibility with the ACA, which I think is more likely. Rather than try to repeal the Act, which won't go quietly into the night even with GOP Congress, the President can use it as a framework to mold it into something more acceptable to his constituents.
The Democrats have been repudiated for their unbridled cynicism, having ignored, or even harmed, the largest demographic of their own constituency.
it's not certain that President Trump will have the political power or will that it would take to evict Clinton's from the halls of power. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
don't be so sure, wp. an ethical AG could still bring charges against hillary for the laws that we all know she's broken, and perhaps against the crime family foundation itself for what the FBI is currently investigating.
the fact of the matter is that both hillary and bill belong in prison, and president trump could very well set in motion the process that puts them there.
the clinton's would be wise to at least consider pulling a 'marc rich' and to look at foreign locations which would put them out of reach of extradition.
It was a warning to both parties' elites that large numbers of the American white working class feel utterly abandoned by them. _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
not both parties. just YOUR party.
president: republican
house: republican
senate: republican.
oh, and we are now up to 33 GOP governors. even in the people's republic of vermont.
the clinton's would be wise to at least consider pulling a 'marc rich' and to look at foreign locations which would put them out of reach of extradition.
Clinton's concession speech signaled, to me, that they intend to ride it out. They're trying to hold onto the reins in the Party apparatus. She wasn't talking about cooperation and keeping up the fight after setbacks, for altruistic reason nor as an elder statesman dispensing guiding advice. She was projecting the image that she still had control, and implying that she and her team were already involved in negotiated cooperation.
It means that they're going to fight back, and intend to keep it in the political arena. Therefore, Trump would have to first purge the Justice Department, then bypass the already compromised FBI for a special investigator, which in turn requires corralling Congress to the cause, who will only take that political risk if he has already mobilized public opinion through political means. And that's an undertaking.
Trump might just spin up another investigation and see where it goes, but that's objectively going to fail isn't it, when the Clinton's have insiders keeping them informed ahead of every step? And consider this from a Congressional Republican leader's point of view. You won, and you won big. You can thank on one hand the negative public view of Hillary and even Bill, the almost universal lack of any trust in either of them, and the trail of scandals, immoral behavior and suspicions of crime that follows everything they do. You can also thank the Democratic leadership on the other hand for an unrepentant lack of vision, a consistent failure to cope with the issues, and their ability to suppress rising talents in their own ranks. Do you, GOP leader, really WANT that to go away if the Democrats are dumb enough to let it fester? What's your incentive, when this is what you've been hoping for?
And i can't help but wonder if we would be talking about president Bernie if the dnc and super delegate insiders hadn't pushed him aside and handed the nomination to a very flawed candidate.
Why Trump Won by Taegan Goddard at politicalwire.com
Donald Trump’s election has created shock waves that will make the 2016 presidential campaign look mild in comparison.
Republicans now control the White House and both house of Congress. They’re about to fill a crucial vacancy on the Supreme Court. GOP leaders claim a mandate for drastic action.
What makes it even more striking is that this tremendous backlash happened despite a growing economy and a popular Democratic incumbent.
Wasn’t it supposed to be the economy, stupid?
Well, it was. Trump correctly surmised that millions of Americans felt the economy was not fair to them. Their anger has been rising for decades thanks the globalization, trade and rapid advances in technology. It only accelerated in the aftermath of the Great Recession when many Americans saw Wall Street crash the economy and then get off without punishment. For many, it’s proof the economy and political system are rigged against them.
It’s impossible to overstate how deeply-felt this sentiment is by many — particularly in the hard hit Midwest. Trump took his unlikely candidacy to victory by tapping into this anger. He actually won a presidential election with no clear policy proposals except that he was going to destroy a rigged system. He was going to make America great again. That was enough for many voters.
In contrast, Hillary Clinton did not offer a clear vision for these hurting voters. Worse, she became a caricature of the very establishment Trump promised to destroy. When Trump suggested he wouldn’t accept the election results, he proved he was not going to bend to the will of a rigged system. When Trump encouraged chants of “lock her up” at his rallies, it proved he would take drastic measures to destroy the establishment. He quickly defined his opponent as “Crooked Hillary,” a typical politician who did everything she could — including setting up a private email server — to avoid accountability to the voters.
One last thing: We must acknowledge that racism also played a big role in his campaign. It’s an embarrassment to the majority of Americans. But to suggest it was only racism that led to the rise of Donald Trump is to take the easy way out and ignore the bigger forces that are transforming our country ___________________
Dear Republicans, please read the above if you really want to know why Trump won.
And read the below if you want to see why he will soon be in deep, deep trouble. _________________
The new power brokers are, it would seem, white working class voters. Will Trump re-center the nation's priorities on them? Can he? Many of those jobs that left are not coming back. Trump and Congress could change the laws to make it unprofitable for companies to do their manufacturing abroad (over the dead bodies of the GOP establishment and donors) but if those factories do come back, they will be modern factories employing 100 computer engineers, 100 mechanical engineers, 10,000 robots, and 0 blue-collar workers.
Thanks for repeating the reasons that I already gave for Trump's victory, in this thread and the one above, though your cut & paste is rather more verbose.
The second part, why Trump will fail, is pretty silly. Do you really think that there's nothing more than that to building and running a manufacturing operation? That there is only one kind of job, one kind of factory? Did you pick that at random?
I don't mean to be a hard-ass, but there's something vaguely insulting about posting these articles, and you aren't coming off very well in posting them. I, and even your antagonists, would rather hear what *James* thinks than have a blow-by-blow account of his web-surfing.
The hyperventilating bullshit coming from the left this morning is oart of why do many voted for trump. We are sick abd tired of being insulted and lectured to by out of touch arrogant liberals. And they're still not getting it.
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Some early shockers there. Not.
I dunno, I see NJ 38.1% Clinton 58.6% Trump! even though everyone has it colored blue. That would be a shocker if those numbers are right.
That looks suspiciously like the Fox map. I've seen CT for Clinton and AR for Trump on other networks. Still no surprises.
Polls will be closed in all but 10 states in a few minutes. Should start seeing a few of the competitive states called soon.
Rubio and Duckworth won. Not surprising.
Either way... this is not a "landslide" victory considering all of the close states. Even if one or the other strings a bunch of states together.
It could still be considered an electoral landslide, depending on how the close states break. But I don't think it will be considered that when the dust settles.
Right ow my map is no undecided and my projections and what it looks like now, 289 247 Clinton. Florida to Trump
New numbers, VA Clinton probably squeeze it out.
I give Trump New Hampshire. Colorado, New Mexico, and Nevada to Clinton. We shall see. Florida is still too close.
World markets are down 8%.
New Mexico for Clinton. First "competitive" state called all freaking night.
Clinton is running out of time and voters in Florida. Most of the outstanding vote is now in the panhandle.
Virginia is called for Clinton. It was in doubt earlier.
C.H.
Who called Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota? Haven't seen that yet. Sean Trende is going ape on Twitter over the Michigan results - as in Trump is doing REALLY well.
In Michigan, Trump is up 4 with 29% in. Too early to call.
Clinton gets Colorado, Trump gets Ohio.
C.H. had his final polling map up a few minutes ago. Hadn't noticed he'd also "called" states where the polls were still open. :P
I predicted MI to Trump earlier today. White working class voters going heavy for him.
Clinton winning Colorado IS significant. There was some doubt. Ohio for Trump, not so much.
Looks like a probable Trump win to me, barring last minute weirdness in Florida again.
So much for the 3-6 point national polling lead.
Michigan Michigan Michigan.
I've also been saying for months that there is a big hidden Trump vote. I am one of them.
VA is Clinton? I think it's open.
So far, not a single upset, WP. Either way. I'm thinking it will be a long night.
Right now with Clinton in VA and NC, Trump Florida, Michigan Trump. and with CA and NM for Clinton. 273-259 Clinton. She has to get VA and NC or Trump wins.
With 95% of Florida in Trump leads by 134,127 votes. The only two outstanding counties are Broward at 98% percent and West Plam at 97%.
Wisconsin, Michigan, will be upsets Indy. Three tossups FL, NC, NH all Trump. The only happy hope for Clinton right now is her lead in Iowa, but not a lot of vote is counted there.
Trump wins North Carolina.
Every pundit including me, sure missed this. I can see Trump winning. But it it is like my count, 273 259, he will not concede. It might get ugly beyond belief.
OK CS, if NC is Trump, it is Michigan, Michigan Michigan. I've got an active map. I am giving Clinton Pennsylvania. Trump Ohio. And with CO and NM with Clinton it is Michigan. If he wins, if I drank, I would have a massive hangover to tomorrow.
I still haven't missed a state ...
AP has called Florida for Trump.
I KNEW something like that would happen!
Yeah... Indy - that's why I refused to pick this year. Call me a coward, but I call myself smart!
Brexit analogies are coming out.
Even if he loses Michigan, if Nevada holds, Trump wins.
Indy I've been warning also, and CH never ruled it out.
Utah goes Trump.
Michigan,Michigan,Michigan and Nevada.
The Apocalypses is going to win.
Coward. You only get one shot every four years...
271-261 Apocolyps
WP, I don't see Nevada saving Clinton if Michigan (or Pennsylvania) falls. She'd need New Hampshire AND Iowa as well to counter that loss, and that still leaves her at only 268 EV. Winning Maine's second CD would get her to 269, but the GOP will control about 30 of the 50 state delegations if it goes to the House.
Maine's second CD would get her to 269 - now that's a pleasant thought. Maybe the House could find a way to kick both of these clowns to the curb.
I don't see any path for Clinton as of now. Shit. We are seriously fucked.
Indy I was assuming Clinton Iowa, not a done deal, but I'll defer to your sums either way. Trump's got the inside track, clearly winning at this point.
President Trump, lord help us.
Odd that North Carolina and Florida went to Trump while Georgia still isn't called. Probably means that most of what hasn't reported is in Atlanta and other Democratic areas (Trump is well ahead in the actuals).
Been saying that for months, WP. It's why I held my nose and voted for Clinton.
Roger, what happened to "Clinton by a landslide"... sounds like Kerry by a landslide... LOL
Fox just called Georgia for Trump.
Wisconsin and Iowa goes Trump.
Clinton needs Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania now, plus either Nevada or New Hampshire.
Every pundit including me, sure missed this. I can see Trump winning.
You're not a pundit, you're a fucking hack
Stock futures are rocketing down.
Nope, you just don't like me. I don't care.
My wife are considering Panama after I get my transplant. LOL
Our income would give us a hell o a life. I would actually have to learn Spanish, not just bits and pieces.
It's a chump sell-off, the big investors had already corrected for a Trump win. No worries Roger, unless you're one of the ones selling. Technical rally after the pain point.
Clinton has a narrow lead in Nevada Indy.
wp, our incomes are defined benefit for life incomes. So no problem.
Unless Trump destroys Medcade. She has to hold onto Minneapolis, Nevada, Michigan. a slight chance. She also has to hold PA and Michigan and Wisconsin.
Panama?
Trump has a solid lead in Arizona. That will bring him to 266. Close in Michigan and Penn.
Minneapolis?
On. My. God.
President-elect Donald Trump.
Necesitaré hablar español con fluidez.
En. Mi. Dios.
Presidente electo Donald Trump.
Nope, you just don't like me. I don't care.
Dick head it has nothing to do with you personally. You don't know what shit about what you're speaking of. How's that 352 ECV Hillary win looking.
It's not about you personally , Roger, you just don't know what you're talking about. About anything.
Johnson beats Feingold. Dems hold Nevada. Republicans will control the Senate.
Nevada goes Clinton.
Si nos mudamos a Panamá, tendré que aprender español.
Paul, I'm not alone in protections in that range.
May come down to Pennsylvania.
naw, Clinton has to win all three wisconsin, pennsylvania, NH
Mich I mean, not Wisconsin.
LOL @ HB Daily.
HB you are too old to move to those countries, they will not let you move there, you are such a dumb ass.
Where is that Clinton Landslide, bring in a Dem Senate and House?
HB recall when I told you MI was tied and you doubted me, lol.
Other Yuge Losser tonight, US Lame Steam Press.
No one trust you hacks.
One other thing, when the left talk about reaching across the aisle by Trump, his answer must be FUCK YOU.
Michigan
16 Electoral Votes
President Trump 48 %
Crooked Clinton 46 %
Better get the fat lady off her bed, up to the mic and let that BleachBitch Sing.
The Fat Lady trails President trump in MI
Wisconsin
10 Electoral Votes
Fat Lady 46 % WINNER TRUMP 49 %
Pennsylvania
20 Electoral Votes
Fat Lady 48 % WINNER TRUMP 49 %
I Love IT
Hello Sweet Victory of USSC CONTROL FOR A Generation
Hello Less Government
BYE BYE ObimboCare
Washington Post calls Pennsylvania for President Donald Trump.
Guess I won't be devastated.
Where is James tonight?
Where's the liver and his 350 ECV for cankles?
The sage of mahogoney ridge, doesn't know dick
MAGA!!!!!
With any luck we won't ever hear from James again.
Wow, I'm floored.
Voting for Donald Trump is like asking Stevie Wonder to drive. So says Stevie Wonder.
The music icon who is blind made the comparison during an interview with Philly.com after his Get Out The Vote concert for Hillary Clinton on Friday in Philadelphia.
“If you had an emergency situation and needed to go to the hospital, and you had to get there right away, would you want me driving your car?” he asked, to which the reporter replied “no.” He added, “Because I’m not an experienced driver, right?”
The 66-year-old then said Clinton’s track record alone makes her a better candidate.
“So my belief is that Hillary is an experienced person of the government, and she has spent 30 years with a commitment. Not to mention that her parents taught her in a kinder way, to have respect and love for all people. That’s the person I want to govern, to be the leader of this nation,” he said.
The 25-time Grammy award winner also slammed Trump for using his platform to make negative remarks about women, Muslims and Latinos. Wonder said that he would hate to have the “last years of my life in a place of pessimism” under a Trump presidency.
“This is not a reality show. This is life in reality,” he said. “So I’m with her because I believe in where we are, and where we are going to go. I have always believed that America is great. We’re just going to make it greater.”
LOL Hillary refuses to speak to her supporters at Jarvis Center.
God damn i should care what a Grammy award winner thinks.......
Idiot....
Hey
Where are James and Opie?
Remember Bumblecare, is woven into the fabric of our society, so sayeth some liver in Calie
Foxnews finally called Pennsylvania over 1 hour after the AP.
With so many people so wrong about Donald Trump for so long why were we surprised?
She lost
LMAO
So is it ok for the next 4 years for me to say now we can grab life by the p*ssy? 😁
Say whatever you want to President Trump....
The deprobles won!
Blogger Rich Obrien said...
So is it ok for the next 4 years for me to say now we can grab life by the p*ssy? 😁
Whatever pussy what's the diff?
Hot here walking, in the desert again as an asswipe claims, with no party because we have no way of winning!
Remember liver said she'd win close to 350 ECV
"Hot here walking, in the desert again as an asswipe claims, with no party because we have no way of winning!"
Poor Roger
Roger Amick said...
Every pundit including me
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you're not a pundit alky. you're just a run of the mill asshole.
so much for all of your:
"BOOM!!!"
"DEVASTATION!!!"
and the perennial favorite -
"HILLARY BY A LANDSLIDE!!!"
We should have been thinking.
Four years of hell on earth.
In every election that I've been old enough to understand politics, if my side lost, he was my President, like him or not.
Donald J Trump is not my President.
Roger Amick said...
World markets are down 8%.
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in other financial news, world donations to the clinton crime family foundation are down 80%.
Donald J Trump is not my President.
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mine either... yet.
but once we get the stench of sulfur out of the white house he will be.
BOOM!!!11!
DEVASTATION!!!11!!
TROOTHERS WIN!!!11!!!
after last night nate silver deserves to be pumping gas in newark.
I disagree rrb, Nate silver was defending himself when he kept trumps chances at 34% when he was being attacked by huff post and everyone else, he kept saying the undecided and 3rd party were too high to have any certainty, despite the polls. He may be vindicated.
always remember that at his core he's a journ0list HACK and assclown extraordinaire.
he should be pumping gas in newark by day and calling bingo in hoboken by night.
Books will be written about this election. But for now, the key point: Obama failed. He is a failed president. This is his successor? We knew that Obama couldn’t sell anything but himself, but we didn’t realize how much that was true. Nor did we realize how much the Democrats’ coalition was really a transient Obama coalition; how unpopular Obamacare was; or how bad an idea it was to run a candidate as damaged as Hillary.
I am on the record as being opposed to Donald Trump, and I shall likely stay that way. But I have two hopes. The first is that he proves me wrong. The second: That the disgraceful progressive moment, which has spent years trying to dissolve the Madisonian system of checks and balances, will come finally to its senses. I cannot say I hold out much hope that, culturally, we will go from “opposition is racist” to “opposition is virtuous” in the space of just two months. But perhaps we will. Perhaps now separation of powers will be seen as a good thing. Perhaps now those who advocate it will be cast as something other than revanchists.
Perhaps now Chris Hayes will realize — urgently — that “if Congress won’t act, I will” is not remotely acceptable.
In a couple of months, Donald Trump will be president, the Senate will be Republican-led, and the House will be run by Paul Ryan. What a sordid legacy for the man who would have been Democrats’ Reagan.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/442003/obamas-legacy-trump-presidency
canada had better start building a wall before they're overrun with asshat american celebrities.
ironically, their immigration website went down last night.
LOL.
I went to bed after it looked like a sure Trump win.
What time did Hillary the Loser go to the podium and address her Supporters and give he concession speech????
IBD/TIPP and LA Times about the only ones who saw the hidden trumpers.
The others were either couldn't or refused to.
Hillary never went to the podium. A classless act to be sure.
ironically, their immigration website went down last night."
Yep, Facts are those older idiot runaway liberals are barred from becoming full time Residences of those nations because they have older people age restrictions.
Top reason those old people coming in and wanting to stay will become a "burden" on the social hammock.
The Left knows so little.
Myballs said...
Hillary never went to the podium. A classless act to be sure."
No wonder a google search does not show her speech to her losers.
My God, oh well she can now go full time fleecing the world of money, but, will they still give , given she lost, will be interesting to see if that foundation folds .
the morning joKe audience is like a packed house at a wake.
LOL.
I agree with Rich.
Nate Silver was the least wrong of the pundits. The only thing that would have made him more right was to admit that trying to call this election was an exercise in futility. :)
Donald J Trump is not my President.
Welcome to much of America's reality for the past 8 years. You were off 100 ECV,you didn't win the Senate nor Gouse
3 Whiffs go back to riding the pine
GOP picks up thre gov seats, now up to 33.
Gop holds house and Senate.
Gop wins whitehouse.
Much of the country has had enough of the Obama liberal divisive agenda.
I would also say that pence helped Trump more than kaine helped Clinton.
I can't say that I'm happy that Trump won, but have to admit that I'm thrilled that the Democratic elite's corrupt usurping of political power was not rewarded.
There are headlines this morning already about a leadership crisis in the Democratic Party. I don't believe that it's true, because I don't believe that the Democratic Party HAS a leadership. Personal political careers, accumulation of power, money and leverage yes, but no leadership. This election, and their communications laid bare, have made it abundantly clear.
This should be an interesting few years.
i agree that he was the least wrong, but i would insist that his inherent biases prevented him from calling it what it really was. a toss up / dead heat / anybody's guess.
imo, all of the pollsters need re-evaluate their polling methods, confirmation biases, and objectivity, and at the very least understand that the public they're polling views them as being part of the msm. the anecdotal evidence - huge rallies, thousands of miles of trump signs, etc., was even admitted on MSDNC last night. kasie hunt came right out and said that they fucked up and missed it. live in the bubble, die in the bubble.
when guys like pat caddell are out two weeks ago predicting what the majority of the pollsters missed, there's something wrong.
"The only thing that would have made him more right was to admit that trying to call this election was an exercise in futility. :)"
except that when you look at your own polling sidebar no one had the balls to call it a flat out toss-up / dead heat. 3 went trump, and the rest were all clinton.
they all had to lean hillary so they could feel good about themselves. and over the next few days all they'll do is make excuses for missing it while never admitting why.
and rich, i will agree that while nate SHOULD be run out of town on a rail and shamed out of existence, he WILL be vindicated, because when liberals fail there's never a consequence for their failure. more than anything, trump's victory speaks to what a miserable failure the obama presidency has been, but it the long run that will never be admitted.
for chrissakes, look at bob shrum. that clown is still considered some sort of political sage, and he's never even won a race for dog catcher.
watch martha raddatz reduced to tears:
https://youtu.be/aA2YpDEjwCc
a disgrace to her profession who should never be allowed to moderate as much as an elementary school spelling bee.
rrb, you can't be serious that the election was a referendum on Obama's presidency. The DNC installed the worst possible candidate, and this election became a year-long nose-holding contest.
I'll agree that Nate Silver got it wrong though. He'd have been better off coming here for advice than adjusting his data for wish-fulfilling.
The fact that 2010 and 2014 were also strong rebukes of Obama, his agenda, his politicised DOJ, IRS and FBI, and his divisive sarcasm does support the assertion that some of this was I n fact about him
wp, i'm very serious. yes the dems ran the most flawed candidate they could have, but even the msm and the left are admitting that the voters are saying "ENOUGH!" "FULL STOP!" on the mess that obama has delivered to us over the past 8 years. the stimulus failed, obamacare is imploding, iran has been awarded full nuclear capability, the list goes on and on.
this was as much about him as it was about her.
Blogger Commonsense said...
My God, oh well she can now go full time fleecing the world of money
Actually no. As long as there was a possibility of Hillary becoming president they had plenty of access to sell.
Now she'll be lucky if she gets a gig at a Jaycee luncheon.
What Happens Next?
Donald Trump's win brings up a whole bunch of questions going forward, Some of the more interesting ones are these:
*What will Obama say to Trump when they meet?
*Can Trump calm the markets and the world?
*Will Trump reach out to those who oppose him
*Will the Democrats fight Trump tooth and nail with filibusters?
*What will Republicans who opposed Trump do now?
We are definitely in uncharted territory. Not only is Trump completely inexperienced in governing, but he is not someone who likes to play second fiddle to anyone. A possible, but unlikely screnario is that vice president-elect Mike Pence, Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI), and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) get together every Monday morning to plan how to run the government that week, while Trump goes off to hold big rallies. The only recent precedents are President Eisenhower, who put the country on autopilot while he went out golfing, and President Reagan, who had lots of government experience but little interest in the details of running the country. But Trump isn't really like either of these. (Andrew Tannenbaum at electoral-vote.com)
How Did This Happen?
In the coming days there is going to be a lot of 20-20 hindsight about how the greatest upset in American history happened. We will cover it. Here are some initial thoughts.
*A lot of people in the country are very angry with both parties and Trump promised radical change
*Sexism, racist, and generally bigotry was always there, it just needed a champion and it found one
*Clinton saw that a lot of Democrats preferred Bernie, but she simply couldn't plausibly become Bernie
*Many Sanders' voters grudgingly voted for Clinton, but didn't volunteer, donate, or bring their friends along
*A lot of people saw Trump as a decisive leader based on his TV show
*Trump had a simple message: "Let's go back to the 1950s"; Clinton didn't have any message at all
*Comey's letter may have influenced millions of votes before he finally said: "Oops, only lap pix on the laptop"
*The influence of the Latino vote was greatly overestimated
*The Republicans brilliantly made a mountain out of a molehill a.k.a. an email server
When the exit poll data starts to come in, we'll have a better idea what really happened. To some extent, Trump's wins in Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Iowa are all part of the "revenge of the angry white blue-collar man" story. North Carolina and Florida don't fit that pattern. We'll have to wait to see what happened there. (Tannenbaum)
How Does This Result Affect 2018?
One silver lining for the Democrats is that it makes life somewhat easier in 2018, when half a dozen Democrats in red states are up for reelection in the Senate. Traditionally, the party in the White House loses seats in the midterms, and now that will be the Republican Party. Also, with complete control of all branches of government, the Republicans are going to have to deliver. That won't be so easy. The stock market is already looking grim. Suppose we have a Trump recession? Trump isn't going to be able to bring back millions of factory jobs. What happens when his supporters discover that it's not going to happen and they were suckered? What happens when he discovers that Congress is in no mood to finance a $20 billion wall and Mexico really is not going to pay for it? He could ban all Muslims from entering the country, but suppose he does and all the Arab countries say: "You want to fight ISIS? Go ahead. We're not going to help." Trump could appoint a very young, very conservative judge to the Supreme Court, but most of his other promises aren't really doable and his followers are bound to be disappointed when they belatedly discover this. (Tannenbaum)
wp, i'm very serious. yes the dems ran the most flawed candidate they could have, but even the msm and the left are admitting that the voters are saying "ENOUGH!" "FULL STOP!"
WP you would think that after 8 years of being called deplorable, racist, sexist bigots, white working class Americans would get a little tired of it.
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The story in Florida is so obvious, Trump outperformed Romney among Americans of latin descent as well a rural voters.
Election Postmortem, Take One
Donald Trump will be the next President of the United States. This is, almost certainly, the most stunning result in American political history. There's Dewey and Truman, of course, but at least Truman was an experienced politician and a sitting president. Trump will be the first POTUS with neither military nor public service on his resume.
Over the next several days, we'll cover some of the fallout from this earth-shattering development. For now, a few immediate questions, lessons, etc.:
How can the pollsters ever show their faces again? They missed, early and often, over and over. For all the recent polling embarrassments, this one will be the king for a very long time.
Beyond polling, every other "clue" that we have for predicting an election has been thrown into question. Unemployment is 4.9% The stock market is as high as it's ever been. Obama's approval rating is sky-high (by modern standards). The betting markets were wrong. The polling aggregators (including us) were wrong. The exit polls were wrong.
Similarly, everything we thought we knew about campaigning was apparently in error. Conventions? Don't matter. Debates? Don't matter. Endorsements? Don't matter. High-profile defections? Don't matter. Missteps? Don't matter? Commercials? Don't matter. Ground game? Doesn't matter. An All-Star team of campaign surrogates, including one former president, one sitting president, and a wildly popular first lady? Doesn't matter. The "blue wall"? Not a thing.
Could Hillary Clinton have run a better campaign? In retrospect, she probably should have invested more time and resources in the Rust Belt, but otherwise she ran the modern campaign playbook with great skill. There does not seem to be much more that she could have done.
Does Trump appear to be headed for a disastrous presidency? Historical precedent says yes, and yet historical precedent was turned on its ear tonight. One obvious question: Exactly how badly would he have to mess up to lose his re-election bid?
The GOP is going to get a nice, long run with its hands on the levers of power. The party has the White House for at least four years. The House is gerrymandered nine ways to Sunday, and the Senate map in 2018 is ghastly for the blue team, so the GOP will have Congress for four years.
What will Trump's relationship with the GOP be like? Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) held him at arm's length, he clashed with Marco Rubio, Gov. John Kasich (R-OH) was nothing but disdainful, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) slammed Trump at his own convention. Meanwhile, there are going to be plenty of new officeholders who owe their jobs to Trump's coattails.
Are we really going to have an Attorney General Christie? Secretary of State Gingrich? Secretary of Homeland Security Rudy Giuliani?
It will take a long time to unravel some of the mysteries of November 8. How, for example, did Donald Trump capture more Latino voters than Mitt Romney? How did nearly half of the non-college women vote for the man behind P***ygate? Was there really a Bradley effect, where people were lying about whom they planned to vote for?
The new power brokers are, it would seem, white working class voters. Will Trump re-center the nation's priorities on them? Can he? Many of those jobs that left are not coming back. Trump and Congress could change the laws to make it unprofitable for companies to do their manufacturing abroad (over the dead bodies of the GOP establishment and donors) but if those factories do come back, they will be modern factories employing 100 computer engineers, 100 mechanical engineers, 10,000 robots, and 0 blue-collar workers.
On a related point, was this a bloodletting that the establishment needed? The Democrats have spent quite a few years focusing on the concerns of coastal elites and minorities at the expense of other constituencies. The Republicans have spent years obstructing, and waving shiny objects like gay marriage, while doing the bidding of the business wing of the party. Those who are disheartened tonight might hold out hope that Tuesday night's stinging rebuke, which was directed at both Democrats and Republicans, will cause a reboot of some sort. Perhaps the nation can, one day in the not-too-distant future, get back to a place where compromise is possible and the filibuster is not the first card that Senators play.
Russia is likely very happy tonight, Ukraine, China, and Mexico are not. Trump seems likely to make America's relationship with the more difficult countries of the world (Iran, North Korea, etc.) worse. Meanwhile, will America's traditional allies be able to work with The Donald? To take him seriously? Will America have any moral authority any more?
What's going to be first to go? Obamacare? The Paris Accords? NAFTA? NATO? Surely, PaddyPower will be taking bets soon.
To those who may have thought we were living in a post-racial world, keep in mind that the KKK had their best night in 50 years. And, as CNN's Van Jones pointed out, part of the story on Tuesday night was "whitelash."
Further, will we be able to have a national conversation about sexism? There can be little question that at least some of the opposition to Hillary Clinton was gender-based. Meanwhile, 50 million people have bestowed their vote on a man who, at very least, objectifies women in the coarsest of terms. And, at worst, who thinks nothing of sexually assaulting them.
Whither the Democratic Party? Everyone thought 2020 would be a bitter struggle for the soul of the Republican Party, between the evangelicals, the mainstream Republicans, and the populists. Instead, it's going to be a struggle for the soul of the blue team. Who will emerge victorious? The establishment Democrats, in the person of a Martin O'Malley or a Gov. Jay Nixon (D-MO)? The progressives, with an Elizabeth Warren or a Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) or a Sen. Jeff Merkeley (D-OR) carrying the torch? Or maybe Sen. Tim Kaine (D-VA) carrying the establishment banner. Some other faction?
What, exactly, is going to happen with the Trump University case? What happens if a sitting president is convicted of fraud? The GOP, if recent memory serves, has been pretty eager to impeach any president found guilty of such behavior.
This is just a first draft; many more good questions and observations will be raised in the next few days, once some of the dust has settled. (Christopher Bates)
We haven't heard the last of the Clinton's. Insiders in the Justice Department, insiders in State, enough pull to have the FBI twisting in the wind, and entrenched at all Party levels. "Leverage" against national figures. Even if the party heads are deposed, even if Trump can somehow purge insiders, it's not certain that President Trump will have the political power or will that it would take to evict Clinton's from the halls of power. Political power, the lowest base kind that involves "leverage", backroom deals, and personal destruction, is what has kept them both out of jail. They will not abdicate that willingly, nor without a vicious fight.
WP you would think that after 8 years of being called deplorable, racist, sexist bigots, white working class Americans would get a little tired of it.
I actually do think that was part of it, if not to that extreme. Americans are tired of being blamed, attacked for "white privilege" among other things, and the racial politics that had gotten out of hand. It likely motivated some of the voters, but it doesn't make the election a referendum on Obama. This was, as clearly as you'll ever see, a rejection of Clinton.
Even after this, the liberal hacks continue to refuse to see reality. Amazing.
It was a warning to both parties' elites that large numbers of the American white working class feel utterly abandoned by them.
James, you are quoting people who are simply trying to rationalize their own public ignorance. Those questions aren't that hard - the pundits posing them would like to pretend that there are mysteries that no one could have predicted, but we've been going on about them even here for months.
At least read that stuff before you post it here.
WP, Obamacare was always the elephant in the room especially when people out of work were forced to buy a health insurance policy at ridiculous rates that cover everything the bureaucrats want while actually doing nothing to cover health issues at all.
It was an elaborate shell game and everybody knows it.
The first thing out of the box is to repeal Obamacare and make healthcare affordable again by allowing companies to sell cheap major medical policies to young healthy people to get them back into the risk pool.
It was a warning to both parties' elites that large numbers of the American white working class
No, it wasn't. Iit was a vast repudiation of the liberal Democrat agenda.
Trump had coattails, Democrats not only lost the presidency, they also failed to win control of the senate and lost more statehouses and governorships.
There is no way to spin this. It was an utter catastrophic defeat for the Democrats.
One could say it was a DEVASTATING defeat.
James -
I didn't get it wrong. I knew (and stated as much time and time again) that this could go either way. I argued that anyone who thought that these polls told a consistent story was simply seeing a mirage.
If I had if figured (and I wasn't the only one)... then it's hard to argue that nobody saw it.
As much as you continued to push these alternate opinions in my face (and acting as if they were more credible) - you should at least acknowledge that I was way more closer to being "right" than any of your pundits you follow.
There is another possibility with the ACA, which I think is more likely. Rather than try to repeal the Act, which won't go quietly into the night even with GOP Congress, the President can use it as a framework to mold it into something more acceptable to his constituents.
The Democrats have been repudiated for their unbridled cynicism, having ignored, or even harmed, the largest demographic of their own constituency.
James said...
What Happens Next?
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LOCK HER UP!!!
it's not certain that President Trump will have the political power or will that it would take to evict Clinton's from the halls of power.
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don't be so sure, wp. an ethical AG could still bring charges against hillary for the laws that we all know she's broken, and perhaps against the crime family foundation itself for what the FBI is currently investigating.
the fact of the matter is that both hillary and bill belong in prison, and president trump could very well set in motion the process that puts them there.
the clinton's would be wise to at least consider pulling a 'marc rich' and to look at foreign locations which would put them out of reach of extradition.
Blogger James said...
It was a warning to both parties' elites that large numbers of the American white working class feel utterly abandoned by them.
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not both parties. just YOUR party.
president: republican
house: republican
senate: republican.
oh, and we are now up to 33 GOP governors. even in the people's republic of vermont.
the clinton's would be wise to at least consider pulling a 'marc rich' and to look at foreign locations which would put them out of reach of extradition.
Clinton's concession speech signaled, to me, that they intend to ride it out. They're trying to hold onto the reins in the Party apparatus. She wasn't talking about cooperation and keeping up the fight after setbacks, for altruistic reason nor as an elder statesman dispensing guiding advice. She was projecting the image that she still had control, and implying that she and her team were already involved in negotiated cooperation.
It means that they're going to fight back, and intend to keep it in the political arena. Therefore, Trump would have to first purge the Justice Department, then bypass the already compromised FBI for a special investigator, which in turn requires corralling Congress to the cause, who will only take that political risk if he has already mobilized public opinion through political means. And that's an undertaking.
Trump might just spin up another investigation and see where it goes, but that's objectively going to fail isn't it, when the Clinton's have insiders keeping them informed ahead of every step? And consider this from a Congressional Republican leader's point of view. You won, and you won big. You can thank on one hand the negative public view of Hillary and even Bill, the almost universal lack of any trust in either of them, and the trail of scandals, immoral behavior and suspicions of crime that follows everything they do. You can also thank the Democratic leadership on the other hand for an unrepentant lack of vision, a consistent failure to cope with the issues, and their ability to suppress rising talents in their own ranks. Do you, GOP leader, really WANT that to go away if the Democrats are dumb enough to let it fester? What's your incentive, when this is what you've been hoping for?
Trump starts with the DOJ and IRS imo.
Not sure who he wants as AG. Rudy?
And i can't help but wonder if we would be talking about president Bernie if the dnc and super delegate insiders hadn't pushed him aside and handed the nomination to a very flawed candidate.
Why Trump Won
by Taegan Goddard at politicalwire.com
Donald Trump’s election has created shock waves that will make the 2016 presidential campaign look mild in comparison.
Republicans now control the White House and both house of Congress. They’re about to fill a crucial vacancy on the Supreme Court. GOP leaders claim a mandate for drastic action.
What makes it even more striking is that this tremendous backlash happened despite a growing economy and a popular Democratic incumbent.
Wasn’t it supposed to be the economy, stupid?
Well, it was. Trump correctly surmised that millions of Americans felt the economy was not fair to them. Their anger has been rising for decades thanks the globalization, trade and rapid advances in technology. It only accelerated in the aftermath of the Great Recession when many Americans saw Wall Street crash the economy and then get off without punishment. For many, it’s proof the economy and political system are rigged against them.
It’s impossible to overstate how deeply-felt this sentiment is by many — particularly in the hard hit Midwest. Trump took his unlikely candidacy to victory by tapping into this anger. He actually won a presidential election with no clear policy proposals except that he was going to destroy a rigged system. He was going to make America great again. That was enough for many voters.
In contrast, Hillary Clinton did not offer a clear vision for these hurting voters. Worse, she became a caricature of the very establishment Trump promised to destroy. When Trump suggested he wouldn’t accept the election results, he proved he was not going to bend to the will of a rigged system. When Trump encouraged chants of “lock her up” at his rallies, it proved he would take drastic measures to destroy the establishment. He quickly defined his opponent as “Crooked Hillary,” a typical politician who did everything she could — including setting up a private email server — to avoid accountability to the voters.
One last thing: We must acknowledge that racism also played a big role in his campaign. It’s an embarrassment to the majority of Americans. But to suggest it was only racism that led to the rise of Donald Trump is to take the easy way out and ignore the bigger forces that are transforming our country
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Dear Republicans, please read the above if you really want to know why Trump won.
And read the below if you want to see why he will soon be in deep, deep trouble.
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The new power brokers are, it would seem, white working class voters. Will Trump re-center the nation's priorities on them? Can he? Many of those jobs that left are not coming back. Trump and Congress could change the laws to make it unprofitable for companies to do their manufacturing abroad (over the dead bodies of the GOP establishment and donors) but if those factories do come back, they will be modern factories employing 100 computer engineers, 100 mechanical engineers, 10,000 robots, and 0 blue-collar workers.
To accomplish what he's promising, he'd have to do some of the things Pope Francis is calling for.
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Over the dead body of the GOP?
Thanks for repeating the reasons that I already gave for Trump's victory, in this thread and the one above, though your cut & paste is rather more verbose.
The second part, why Trump will fail, is pretty silly. Do you really think that there's nothing more than that to building and running a manufacturing operation? That there is only one kind of job, one kind of factory? Did you pick that at random?
I don't mean to be a hard-ass, but there's something vaguely insulting about posting these articles, and you aren't coming off very well in posting them. I, and even your antagonists, would rather hear what *James* thinks than have a blow-by-blow account of his web-surfing.
The hyperventilating bullshit coming from the left this morning is oart of why do many voted for trump. We are sick abd tired of being insulted and lectured to by out of touch arrogant liberals. And they're still not getting it.
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