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| Time for Clinton to follow the President's lead (or possibly face consequences?) |
There is every indication that this may "no longer" be the case. This weekend, it was suggested that while Trump would not personally push for any additional criminal probes, that he would certainly rely on the advice of a new Attorney General, if that person made the determination that such a probe was worthy.
This reversal of the reversal was tied to the discussion regarding Clinton getting involved with the recounts in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. Basically, the issue becomes this: Trump was willing to let bygones be bygones as long as the Clintons agreed to go "bye" and be "gone". Latching on to the recounts, changes the dynamic.
Bottom line: it certainly sounds like a thinly veiled threat on the part of Trump and his team. If Clinton doesn't back off her involvement in the recounts, Trump may not back off his original calls for a special prosecutor.
Most people agree that it would be in the Country's best interest, as well as in the Clinton's best interest to take the same stance as President Obama. The President has openly stated that election was fair, it was not compromised, the results are legitimate, and it's time for everyone to work towards a smooth transition to the new Administration.
Update: Pennsylvania recounts unlikely
It also appears that a recount in Pennsylvania is unlikely. Jill Stein cannot just call for a recount and pay the fees. She must actually contest the election in Court and show the court that Election Fraud was at at least "probable". At this point, there is absolutely no evidence of any fraud. The only suggestion of such comes from some poorly designed statistical analysis that provides some circumstantial possibility that fraud was committed. This analysis has been taken apart by people like Nate Silver and others as generally lacking any merit what-so-ever.
So given:
- The size of the Trump victory
- The amount of fraud that would have had to have taken place to swing the election
- The enormous cost in recounting
- The potential problems with the safe harbor dates for Pennsylvania's electoral college
it would appear unlikely that Stein can show enough legal cause to garner the recount anyways.
As it stand Jill Stein is still raising money and suggesting that she is coordinating (and paying for) a voter initiated recount. This would require a petition signed (and notarized) by at least three voters in every one of around 9100 precincts. This would require about 27,300 people. Stein tweeted yesterday that she had about 1500 people who were on board. As of today, they have filed in 100 (out of 9100) precincts. (just over 1%). Another problem is that the filing dates for a voter initialed recount have come and gone in several precincts. Apparently the rest have a deadline of today. Stein has filed a lawsuit to extend the date (if there is evidence of any tampering or abnormalities in the selected precincts).
It would appear that Stein's request for this (along with her request for more funding) is likely being made in bad faith. The best she could hope for is a partial recount of the state in precincts where everything was done correctly, where there are enough volunteers, and where they actually met the filing deadline. Moreover, this would have to be completed by close of business day today. Looks as of now, that she will see just over 1% of the state recounted.
58 comments:
Trump is the president elect. His current behavior concerning recounts and that he would have won if illegals didn't vote is just a prelude of all the fun we are about to have and what a TRE he is going to be Oh well, the show is over, stop being an ass. LOLOL
It has come to light that Trump and Clinton had a private agreement that either candidate would concede immediately upon the AP calling the race for the other. As I've written here, it is my belief that their agreement extended beyond that stipulation, and I strongly suspect that involving herself in recount seeking to overturn Wisconsin abrogates their agreement.
That probably opens the door from Trump's perspective for more aggressive investigations into the Clinton Foundation.
Suppose the electoral college system was gone and the winner was based on popular vote. Theoretically a candidate could demand a recount nationally and have all 120 million votes reviewed. That would grind any transaction to a screaming halt.
And i had the same interpretation of Trump's comment. Hillary just doesn't know when to put aside her arrogance and thirst for power.
i would hope that trump simply cuts jeff sessions loose to pursue whatever degree of criminal investigation he deems appropriate. i never took trumps comments regarding this that continuing to pursue a criminal probe against clinton was completely off the table. only that TRUMP wouldn't focus on it. traditionally, the AG retains a high level of independence, and sessions will be free to go after her once he cleans up the unlawful partisan shitpile that is our current depart. of justice.
and I strongly suspect that involving herself in recount seeking to overturn Wisconsin abrogates their agreement.
And I strongly suspect he did not win in an electorial landslide and that there were not millions of illegal votes. Any recount should show that the donald is full of it when it comes to that claim. Your claim on the other hand is pure speculation and as accurate as the millions of illegal votes.
Texas elector who criticized Trump says he’s resigning
By KYLE CHENEY 11/28/16 10:11 AM EST
A Republican member of the Electoral College who had expressed reservations about supporting President-elect Donald Trump has opted instead to resign his position and turn it over to an alternate elector.
Art Sisneros, a Texas Republican elector who told POLITICO in August that he was strongly weighing a vote against Trump, confirmed Monday that he would quit the position. Sisneros had said as recently as last week that he still hadn't decided how to cast his electoral vote.
Appearing on CNN’s State of the Union, Trump campaign manager and current spokeswoman Kellyanne Conway was asked about Trump’s walkback of his campaign promises to supporters to “lock her up” as president.
‘He said he wouldn’t rule it out. He said it’s just not his focus right now. I think he’s being quite magnanimous and at the same time he’s not undercutting at all the authority and the autonomy of the Department of Justice, of the FBI, of the House Committees, who knows where the evidence may lead if, in fact, it were — if the investigation were re-opened somewhere.
‘But this is the president-elect’s position right now and I would say he has been incredibly gracious and magnanimous to Secretary Clinton at a time when for whatever reason her folks are saying they will join in a recount to try to somehow undo the 70 plus electoral votes that he beat her by.'
That's threatening comment..
Dictatorships imprison or execute the opposition. When will he take the last step?
Democracies that rule by law find justice for all equally, regardless of their position of influence. I hope that he does take the last step.
In a strange way it's the flip side of this recount. If there was no fraud, why should Trump worry about establishing the truth? If there were no crimes, why should Clinton worry about establishing the truth?
Dictatorships imprison or execute the opposition. When will he take the last step?
Just ask Nakoula Basseley
Trump bet on stupid, and won. Nate Silver
Education levels may be a proxy for cultural hegemony. Academia, the news media and the arts and entertainment sectors are increasingly dominated by people with a liberal, multicultural worldview, and jobs in these sectors also almost always require college degrees. Trump’s campaign may have represented a backlash against these cultural elites.
Educational attainment may be a better indicator of long-term economic well-being than household incomes. Unionized jobs in the auto industry often pay reasonably well even if they don’t require college degrees, for instance, but they’re also potentially at risk of being shipped overseas or automated.
Education levels probably have some relationship with racial resentment, although the causality isn’t clear. The act of having attended college itself may be important, insofar as colleges and universities are often more diverse places than students’ hometowns. There’s more research to be done on how exposure to racial minorities affected white voters. For instance, did white voters who live in counties with large Hispanic populations shift toward Clinton or toward Trump?
Education levels have strong relationships with media-consumption habits, which may have been instrumental in deciding people’s votes, especially given the overall decline in trust in the news media.
Trump’s approach to the campaign — relying on emotional appeals while glossing over policy details — may have resonated more among people with lower education levels as compared with Clinton’s wonkier and more cerebral approach.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Trump bet on stupid, and won. Nate Silver
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nate silver? LOL. does the ol' jour0lister hack have even a molecule of credibility left these days?
good one rog.
Just ask Nakoula Basseley
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Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, the Coptic Christian whose short video “The Innocence of Muslims” was initially faulted for sparking the Sept. 11, 2012 terror attack at U.S. diplomatic compounds in Libya, is now living in a homeless shelter run by First Southern Baptist Church in Buena Park, Calif. He has served time in prison, been shamed publicly by the White House and threatened with death.
“I don’t believe in democracy anymore,” Nakoula told FoxNews.com. “I don’t think there is such a thing as freedom of speech.”
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/12/blamed-for-benghazi-filmmaker-jailed-after-attack-now-lives-in-poverty-fear.html
huh. seized, falsely imprisoned, impoverished, and threatened with death... all thanks to 0linsky and granny the liar.
and we're supposed to fear trump?
really?
after 8 long years of a lying castro/che` worshipper, a man from the party of internment camps, i think i'm gonna be ok with the donald, thank you very much.
Education levels have strong relationships with media-consumption habits, which may have been instrumental in deciding people’s votes, especially given the overall decline in trust in the news media.
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hey rog, right after 'special report with bret baier' on fox, i watch the cavalcade of asshats on MSDNC every night. tweety, lil chrissy and ralph are funnier than comedy central because they think we're SUPPOSED to take THEM seriously.
sorry to blow up your false media consumption assumptions.
Anonymous wphamilton said...
Democracies that rule by law find justice for all equally, regardless of their position of influence. I hope that he does take the last step.
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"A society that puts equality before freedom will get neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both."
- Milton Friedman
If there were no crimes, why should Clinton worry about establishing the truth?
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because she clearly understands that the only thing that kept her from prosecution was bubba's deal with lynch, and the fact that obama lied about knowing anything about it.
politics kept her out of legal harms way, and since there will be an entirely new political landscape for her to navigate on 01/20/2017, she's politically powerless.
if nothing other than a sense of fairness and fidelity to the rule of law, trump should have her prosecuted to the fullest extent.
if scooter libby can be found guilty on the grounds of nothing other than pure bullshit, granny can face the same fate for entirely legitimate reasons.
hey rog, right after 'special report with bret baier' on fox,
Tucker's new show is awesome.
I can't stand Hannity, Megyn and O'Reilly has become to preachy
hilarious:
"Nets Give Jill Stein Recount Effort 12 Times Coverage of Her Entire Campaign"
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/mike-ciandella/2016/11/28/nets-give-jill-stein-recount-effort-12x-coverage-her-entire
Tucker's new show is awesome.
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i've seen some clips. he's doing a helluva job so far. i especially like the way he took apart that fat fuck from politico - jonathan allen.
OSU incident deliberate, one suspect is Somali refugee OSU incident deliberate, one suspect a Somali refugee
42 Mins Ago | 01:56
A car rammed into a crowd at Ohio State University on Monday, and a knife-wielding attacker got out and cut people before being shot to death, authorities said. Ten people were hospitalized, including one in critical condition.
The dead attacker was believed to be an Ohio State student — a Somali refugee who lived near campus, NBC News reported. It said he was a legal permanent resident of the U.S.
imagine wanting to stop or slow down immagration of these people
THERE WILL BE NO RECOUNT IN PENNSYLVANIA: Jill Stein Perpetrating Election Fraud.
http://janderresearch.blogspot.com/2016/11/there-will-be-no-recount-in.html?m=1
imagine wanting to stop or slow down immagration of these people
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can we ever have too many undocumented democrats?
line stein's pockets with $7 MILLION "
When pressed on the issue of is all of it going to the recount effort, Stien, was well, very Hillary like, she shuffled her feet and said nothing, so she is going to enrich herself , good for her.
That must be terrifying for certain entrenched power brokers of the Democratic Party. What if Trump is right and out of the 24 to 40 million illegals in the US, several million have voted? What if Trump is actually able to one way or the other prevent them from voting? Those power brokers would face imminent irrelevance politically, and that could cascade into the derivative aspects of their wealth and influence. I can imagine that the prospect would incite some desperation and urgency.
I'll be cheering him on. I still consider myself a progressive, leaning Democratic more often than not, but that party needs a rebirth. The purge needs to be brutal in scope or it will all be meaningless.
'We don't need white people leading the Democratic Party right now'
Symone Sanders, former press secretary for Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign and a CNN contributor."
That my friends is the face of the current meltdown at the DNC.
Nate Silver
That would be the liberal that told us Like Jane/HB/Odopie that Trump Had a 12% chance of winning.
Keep listening to the idiots and you will continue to be the party that was.
HB is a financial wreck, he now changes his story to say he has cash on hand $500,000.00 yet, a few months ago he told us that he would be going bankrupt if he had to pay a $162,000 medical bill.
OSU incident deliberate, one suspect is Somali refugee OSU incident deliberate, one suspect a Somali refugee
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Ohio State University attacker ID'd as 18-year-old Abdul Razak Ali Artan, law enforcement officials tell NBC News
http://nbcnews.to/2gzou3D
abdul.
yeah... let's bring in a few hundred thousand abdul's and mohammed's.
i mean, what could possibly go wrong?
wp, the entire premise behind the left's open borders nonsense has always been to secure the votes for a permanent democrat majority, the impact of the unintended consequences be damned.
and one need not be a total cynic to believe so.
KD, said...
'We don't need white people leading the Democratic Party right now'
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it was the left's total commitment to identity politics that got them their recent ass whuppin'.
apparently they think the right idea is to double down.
so much for liberals being smarter than conservatives. it seems that there's a new story blowing that theory all to hell about every 5 minutes.
abdul.
yeah... let's bring in a few hundred thousand abdul's and mohammed's.
i mean, what could possibly go wrong?
SJS sudden jihadi syndrome. next we'll here from the family what a good son he was they don't know what went wrong. And the left will clamor he is just a lone wolf
The Bigoted Officer, you know one of the Deplorable's , responded, found AllahObama and Double tapped him, down goes the bad guy,
I know in the hearts of the liberal this outcome is horrible, the AllahObamaite was killed, the Officer Lived.
Let The Ohio State Students now protest the pig.
so much for liberals being smarter than conservatives. it seems that there's a new story blowing that theory all to hell about every 5 minutes."
Now the Liberals on this, the Adult blog, are calling the hard workers that voted for TRUMP, Stupid,,, yep, that will go really far to get that vote in 2020 When Trump runs and wins again.
IF Jill Clinton did not get to PA Court today, then it may well be over and the 2nd Party of Trump Winning can begin.
"Jill The Shill" President Trump
wow, love it.
Drudge Reports that Jill Clinton missed the Deadline in PA "Developing".
Jill Stein has everything she needs to launch a presidential recount. She's got the cash, the grassroots fervor and the spotlight of an adoring media. But there's one thing she needs to overturn Trump's victory: a calendar.
it is over, the other two states will not take the rightfully won election from trump
Gee The ACA saving lives, just what it is supposed to do. Please repeal it so uneducated workers like this guy cannot have the care to save their menial lives.
“I was going to die,” he told this blog back in April 2014. “I was preparing myself.” He desperately needed heart-valve replacement surgery, a procedure he’d been putting off because of his finances. Thanks to Leinhauser’s prodding, he paid a minimal amount for a policy that covered a surgery he never could have paid for.
The Philadelphia Inquirer, the Erik Wemple Blog and various other outlets — the story of this Boyertown, Pa., resident’s recovery was all over the news. Host Chris Hayes at MSNBC did a thing on it. “You wouldn’t have caught me dead watching MSNBC,” Angstadt told this blog at the time. It was a happy occasion: “Obamacare saved his life,” Jill Savory, Angstadt’s widow, tells the Erik Wemple Blog.
Obamacare, however, couldn’t save Angstadt’s livelihood. According to Savory, Angstadt — 57 at the time of his valve-replacement surgery — struggled to push around the logs. “He was so mad,” recalls Savory. “Uh, god, it was just, he loved it — he loved talking to people and harvesting their trees and being in the woods.” Profession and identity were closely aligned: “He was a very stubborn man. He always worked hard for a living, nothing was ever given to him and he frowned upon people on welfare and food stamps,” she says. “He worked his ass off as a logger and made something of himself.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2016/11
What an awful program
‘After the beating’: Moroccan TV airs makeup tips for hiding domestic violence
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/28/after-the-beating-moroccan-tv-airs-makeup-tips-for-hiding-domestic-violence/
‘After the beating’: Moroccan TV airs makeup tips for hiding domestic violence
And not that you care, the story has been totally called out by most countries as being outrageous. I guess it makes you feel good rat, beating women is your cup of tea.
Yeh, there's no way that Trump can allow ACA to simply be canceled, no matter how adamant and belligerent the Republican congress gets. Too many people are dependent on parts of this law, which they likely don't even realize ARE dependent on ACA - it would be a political disaster. They can pare it down, sure, probably even remove the mandate (which I've proposed since the beginning by the way) but the law itself will not be repealed.
Ohio State University attacker ID'd as 18-year-old Abdul Razak Ali Artan
Obviously Amish.
Reports say that he was upset about not having enough prayer space. Seriously maybe that should be a red flag indicative of psychological issues among people of that particular culture. Someone should probably make a study of behavioral clues, specific to immigrants from different cultures, and provide checklists to universities and, perhaps, employers.
As usual, our esteemed host ignores another blatant lie made by the President Elect, who wants to unite the country. Or so he says.
Donald Trump made a bogus claim that millions of people voted illegally for Hillary Clinton
In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 27, 2016
Snopes.com and PundiFact have already examined this claim, back when it was hot in the right-wing blogosphere, not a statement made by a future U.S. president. The whole thing started with a few tweets by Gregg Phillips, a self-described conservative voter fraud specialist, who started making claims even before data on voter history was actually available in most jurisdictions.
The CHT hero is a pathological liar and a child with access to Twitter. Obvious lies by the President Elect are ignored by the non emotional, reasonable pundit.
When the Amish snap, run for your lives!
In Montana, I worked on a restoration of the Tiber Dam. There is a local Huttereite colony near Chester Montana there. If they snap, look out!
When they went to a grocery store, they put an employee with them. They would steal anything. Probably Republicans.
Someone should probably make a study of behavioral clues, specific to immigrants from different cultures, and provide checklists to universities and, perhaps, employers.
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which, while making perfect sense, would be tantamount to profiling. liberals would lose what's left of their marxist minds.
Roger Amick said...
As usual, our esteemed host ignores another blatant lie made by the President Elect, who wants to unite the country. Or so he says.
WP questioned the integrity of the Post when I posted that link yesterday. I'm starting to believe he jumped the shark. Oh well, another one bites the dust where facts trump opinion. LOL
What if Trump is right and out of the 24 to 40 million illegals in the US, several million have voted?
Yep, you jumped the shark with that one. Maybe all the dead on the rolls voted also. LOL
the FACT that democrats are pursuing unconstitutional and illegal voting gambits is not a secret to anyone who's paying attention:
Court Strikes Down Virginia Order Restoring Voting Rights to Ex-Felons
“The assertion that a Virginia Governor has the power to grant blanket, group pardons is irreconcilable with the specific requirement in Article V, Section 12 that the Governor communicate to the General Assembly the ‘particulars of every case’ and state his ‘reasons’ for each pardon,” Chief Justice Donald Lemons wrote in the majority opinion. “This requirement implies a specificity and particularity wholly lacking in a blanket, group pardon of a host of unnamed and, to some extent, still unknown number of convicted felons.”
In turn, McAuliffe vowed to individually sign orders restoring voting rights to former felons in the state, beginning with those who had already registered to vote, saying the court’s decision “placed Virginia as an outlier in the struggle for civil and human rights.”
“I will expeditiously sign nearly 13,000 individual orders to restore the fundamental rights of the citizens who have had their rights restored and registered to vote,” he said in a statement on Friday. “And I will continue to sign orders until I have completed restoration for all 200,000 Virginians.”
http://time.com/4420469/virginia-felon-voting-restoration-unconstitutional/
so if a sitting governor is willing to go this far to break election laws, trump's claim is in fact not that much of a stretch.
Snopes.com and PundiFact have already examined this claim, back when it was hot in the right-wing blogosphere, not a statement made by a future U.S. president. The whole thing started with a few tweets by Gregg Phillips, a self-described conservative voter fraud specialist, who started making claims even before data on voter history was actually available in most jurisdictions.
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gee, no hypocrisy here.
we are supposed to take the word of left-leaning snopes and pundifact as the gospel truth, while questioning a conservative who focuses on instances of voter fraud.
and by the way, the calls for a recount are based upon that which does not exist -
VOTER FRAUD.
how the fuck does a liberal manage to stumble through each day with so many contradictions knotted up in their head?
How goes the Hillary attempt to silence the voices of 60 million plus voters?
There is at least some evidence of illegals voting http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973, the question being, how many?
I am on record as opposing almost every form of voter restriction, because potentially impacting the voting rights of citizens requires extraordinary cause. But I do not choose to become willfully blind to abuse and fraud, which also impacts those rights. We need careful deliberation, acknowledging the facts on both sides of that equation.
The President Elect is in a better position than journalists to have information about the vote. While you cannot accept his opinion without question, it behooves us to take it seriously.
We need careful deliberation, acknowledging the facts on both sides of that equation.
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we need a national voter ID law. period.
You're coming around to my way of thinking. Add an embedded RSA encrypted chip with a private key and implement electronic voting with it. No more recount games, no more questions about illegal votes.
What are the odds that everything was done correctly for recounts even in those 100 precincts in PA? I am skeptical that even attention-hungry citizens will swear an affidavit - under penalty of perjury (5 years) - that they have specific knowledge of fraudulent voting. As required by the statute. In all probability they signed a generic template sent around by Stein, or by her lawyer Elias (Soros lawyer on loan to Clinton on loan to Stein). No doubt the generic template alleges some nebulous fraud "to knowledge and belief" and other legal waffling, which falls short of specific knowledge. IF they all even signed and notarized it. It will be surprising if more than a handful of voting districts are actually recounted.
The lawsuit for a statewide recount is a non-starter, as everyone knows including Stein and Elias. They're just trying to seed doubts and disenfranchisement at this point.
The lawsuit for a statewide recount is a non-starter, as everyone knows including Stein and Elias. They're just trying to seed doubts and disenfranchisement at this point.
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it's not even about doubt and disenfranchisement wp.
follow the money. shit, if i could kick up a swirl of bullshit controversy for a couple weeks to be guaranteed of putting $7 MIL in MY pocket, i'd even be tempted.
For Stein yes, the money is likely an inducement. I'm speaking of Clinton's motivations.
clinton's motivations are a cut of the $7 MIL. her influence is tapped and she needs to bring in the cash to keep running the foundation racket.
Don't you think it's more likely that the millions were laundered through surrogates from the Clinton Foundation and/or various PAC's? It's not very credible for that much to be raised legitimately from small donors, not by Jill Stein.
Clinton's are showing that they still have influence.
Anonymous wphamilton said...
Don't you think it's more likely that the millions were laundered through surrogates from the Clinton Foundation and/or various PAC's? It's not very credible for that much to be raised legitimately from small donors, not by Jill Stein.
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oh, i'm sure that accounted for a sizable portion. but i would submit that a bunch of it was pure grass roots. there is a ton of liberal angst out there (along with some measure of straight-up mental illness) meaning that the $7 MIL is probably not much of a stretch.
one thing is for sure - the clinton's were a net recipient of some amount of $$$. you can be sure they didn't actually contribute to the effort.
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