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Friday, December 30, 2016

Yes... cyber security is a concern...

But no, we should not dwell on election hacking.

For those on the left who felt our national security secrets being exposed was an issue that got far too much media and legal play (Hillary emails)... it's disingenuous to continue to claim that the exposure of Democratic Party and Clinton campaign emails requires more.


The President has decided (on his way out) to impose penalties against Russia that he will not be around to enforce or around to deal with the concequenses of. I suppose he felt obligated as it is not clear that incoming President Trump would have offered any consequences.

Trump suggested that he plans to meet with the intelligence community regarding the situation but feels we should "move on" in regards to dwelling on the actual election hacking. This is prudent.

I hate to state the obvious here, but hacking is a reality. We should be more concerned with how to protect ourselves from it, rather than trying to dish out punishment after the fact. Especially when we seem unwilling or unable to provide the proof that the people we are holding accountable actually did it.

91 comments:

rrb said...



the election wasn't hacked. the DNC was, with a phishing scheme on par with the fundraising activities of a nigerian prince. amateur and juvenile. come to think of it, that's exactly why podesta fell for it.

hacking IS a problem, but isn't it funny that our OPM can get hacked, our Pentagon can get hacked, virtually every .gov address in our federal government can get hacked or is at least extremely vulnerable to it, but it's only AFTER team granny the drunken liar loses an election that it's an issue important enough for the president to address. and he can't even address the threat honestly.

the biggest HACK in the history of our nation is the outgoing president.





James said...

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James said...

Regarding the thread article: Several Republican leaders seem interested in a tougher stance toward Russia, Trump toadies and sycophants not withstanding.

rrb said...

Jeremy Ben-Ami
President, J Street
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

this fucking asshole is still around?

huh. go figure.

rrb said...



an example of how the DNC was hacked:



Dear Comrade Coldheart. I hope this post finds you well. Please respond to this post with the password for this blog.

Thank you, and all hail Mother Russia!

Comrade Yuri Ratbastardov

cc: V. Putin


rrb said...



...but clearly Obama has a broader political game he's playing right now. From his damaging surge in midnight regulations to his betrayal of Israel to, now, the sanctions on the Russians, Obama is setting off stink bombs that will make Donald Trump's first months as president more difficult than they need to be.

By imposing sanctions on the Russians at this late date, Obama also serves another Democratic Party purpose unrelated to national security: He further undermines Trump's legitimacy as president, which will be a permanent theme of the Democrats for the next four years and likely beyond. If you can't win an election, you can at least try to delegitimize the winner.

Obama has known for six months that the Russians were messing with our elections. He did nothing — until now. Now, after Obama has played politics with national security, dealing with an angry Russia will be Trump's problem. And the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton have a ready-made excuse for their pathetic performance in 2016: The Russians ate our election.

Was this the goal all along?

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/by-doing-nothing-for-months-obama-made-russian-cyberhacking-trumps-problem/

Commonsense said...

75 percent of Jewish Americans voted against Trump.

That's 75 percent that wish they can have their vote back.

Figure at least half of them will never vote for a Democrat again.

rrb said...


from my email:


Barack Obama visits a psychic in the waning days of his Presidency to see what the future has in store for him.

The psychic tells the president: "You will die on a Jewish Holiday."

Obama asks: "Which one?"

The psychic replies: The day you die WILL BECOME a Jewish Holiday."


opie said...


The President has decided (on his way out) to impose penalties against Russia that he will not be around to enforce or around to deal with the consequences of

Suggesting that the US do nothing is encouraging the behavior for others to do the same. Seems to me that your bias has reached completely hypocritical proportions. Drowning in trump love is not becoming even for you, CH.

opie said...

That's 75 percent that wish they can have their vote back.

Figure at least half of them will never vote for a Democrat again.


And once again proving all you have is BS and making shit up. LOL

rrb said...



And for Obama to repackage himself at this late date as America’s last-ditch defender against Russia is a farce. Russian hacking fits into a far larger pattern of Russian predation that for years no-drama Obama has treated as no big deal, responding chiefly with lip service and half-baked sanctions…

Just connect the dots, from Obama’s 2009 fawning “reset” with Putin, to his 2012 confidential promise, caught on an open microphone, of post-reelection flexibility, to his 2013 handover of his “red line” in Syria to the ministrations of Putin.

Then came Obama’s 2014 de facto acceptance of Russia’s annexation of Ukraine’s Crimea, and Obama’s de facto deference right up to the present date of Russia’s increasingly bold reach back into the Middle East, including air strikes in Syria…

With just three weeks left in office, Obama is flat out of time to remedy his eight-years of failure to contain Russia. But Obama does have time, if he harps chiefly on Russian hacking, to smear doubts across the legitimacy of Trump’s election.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/312203-obama-settling-scores-in-final-days-but-not-against

C.H. Truth said...

Opie -

The fact that the President didn't do anything for seven years and eleven months to stand up to Putin or Russia, is exactly why everyone believes they can walk all over the United States.

The problem is that the hacking was of the DNC and the Clinton campaign, and they have provided no real evidence that Putin or the Russian Government was involved.

The fact of the matter is that the FBI concluded that hundreds of classified emails were hacked and ended up in the wrong hands, and Obama shrugged his shoulders and said "no big deal". But decides that hacking the Private organizations of the DNC and Clinton campaign requires a reaction.

That's hypocrisy.

I'd have no problems with the Government imposing sanctions regarding this hacking. But I would have preferred that it come from either Congress or the incoming Administration... and I would have quite honestly felt much better about it is they simply actually showed some proof of the allegations. Right now, we are on the whole honor system, as in "trust us, we have proof that we are not releasing".

As an IT specialist, I am not convinced by the concept that we can identity the Russians based on the malware being used. At least not without a lot more information. Even with that, there seems to be a complete disconnect between the fact the hacking was "Russian" and whether it was actually orchestrated by the Government.

It seems that much of this is based on preponderance of circumstantial evidence... which is fine for a general accusation, unless you are actually holding someone legally responsible.

KD, Only the DNC was Hacked, Fake President said...

Rat is right on, the election was not Hacked, Hillary was and her dear stupid DNC.

So now that the facts are out there everything Obimbo is doing is purely political, a damn shame he cant just get the fuck out.

More damage to come before he goes that is for sure.


Why is he throwing a fit in public?

KD, RIP Jane said...

According to new figures from the U.S. Census Bureau and Ten-X Research, the US homeownership rate dropped 0.4 percent in the second quarter of 2016 to a seasonally adjusted 63.1 percent—its lowest rate since 1965."

Yep, this is what a booming , Healthy housing market looks like if you know nothing about personal finances, construction, housing , macro economics and history, like Alky.


Say your team won a game in a 16 game season, according to Alky Logic that is a winning season.

Roger Amick said...

Trump tweeted, “Great move on delay (by V. Putin) - I always knew he was very smart!”

Roger Amick said...

Hack hack you should apply for The apology management job.

Commonsense said...

Well, smarter than our idiotic president. That's for sure.

They get Michael Corleone and we get Fredo.

KD said...

HB, what a stupid fuck you are, lowest IQ here to be sure.

I see you ran from your booming Housing Sector based upon your belief that "flipping Houses" is a great economic model for US Housing.

Tell us, did you put your money where your alky mouth was, and invest like Krugman in puts on Nov 9th, 2016?

C.H. Truth said...

Roger,

I am not apologizing for what Obama is doing. I am questioning the timing of it as well as the concept that we are sanctioning other nations without providing anyone in the international community with proof.

Last time I checked, Americans believed that people should not be punished without due process. I would assume that you agree with that general concept?

If you agree with the fundamental American concept of due process, then I wonder out loud why you would endorse sanctioning without providing evidence?

Just curious....

KD, Obama's America ALL HOPELESS said...

As an American I do not like to see our current feckless metrosexual muslim bent over like this:

"PUTIN LAUGHS OFF OBAMA
RUSSIANS MOCK 'POLITICAL CORPSE'
'ANGRY AND SHALLOW-BRAINED' "

But, when you are weak, feckless and stupid and as the sitting president all you did was lower the USA on the world stage, it is deserved .

KD, Where is BLM NOW? said...

9 Facts Shatter Obama's Claim that Black America Is Better Off Since He Took Office

Damn the facts because it is about the man obimbo , not about the Americans he promised to help and did nothing, not one freaking thing to improve the black lives.

IF you think BLACKLIESMATTER was a win for the blacks in the USA then you are as dumb as an HB.

opie said...

Anonymous KD, Where is BLM NOW? said...
9 Facts Shatter Obama's Claim that Black America Is Better Off Since He Took Office

Wow. Pretty dated, farmer brown from a rather shakey source. LOL

BY DEMETRIUS MINOR
2 YEARS AGO

KD said...

Opie, tell me which indicator of the Blacks doing worse is wrong.

Does the NAACP Leader have it all wrong when he said
" Ben Jealous, president of the NAACP, the nation's oldest civil rights organization, was reluctant to indicate that any progress had been made:


“The country’s back to pretty much where it was when this president started. White people in this country are doing a bit better. Black people are doing a full point worse.”


opie said...

KD said...
Opie, tell me which indicator of the Blacks doing worse is wrong.

Idiot. Like it matters to a dumbass dirt farmer who is blinded by bias on what I think. It's a list of BS that you think means something from another right wing fake news site. LOLOLOLOL

Roger Amick said...

The esteemed host/Putin BFF thinks that the Republicans should do as they are told.

Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham responded to the announcement that the Obama administration would be imposing sanctions on Russia as a result of their hacking in the presidential election, by saying that they would seek to impose even tougher restrictions. “The retaliatory measures announced by the Obama administration today are long overdue. But ultimately, they are a small price for Russia to pay for its brazen attack on American democracy. We intend to lead the effort in the new Congress to impose stronger sanctions on Russia,” the senators said in a joint statement Thursday.

No big deal. The Russian hackers targeted the Democrats, but that's ok with CH.

Roger Amick said...

CH, you are doing as told by Trump.

This isn't about Barack Hussein Obama. It's Russian.

You boss tweeted directions to you do.

Baaaa baaa baaa

KD, Black's Rent , not a wealth building tool said...

A staggering forty percent of black households are headed by single women – women with no partner or spouse. This is much higher than the twenty-six percent rate of female-only heads of household for the general population."

Obama's NO_Hope- USA


The LBJ Great Society has ravaged the Blacks in the USA.

Opium, I asked you to point out the errors in my posted linked article, you failed to point out one error , yet insist that the NAACP cited has his information wrong.

The fact that under the ObamaNation blacks are no better off and in many cases worse off is clear.

Tavis Smiley another black, leftist said this, so Opium is he wrong too?

On Monday night urban radio show host Tavis Smiley told Megyn Kelly Barack Obama has failed black Americans as president.


Megyn Kelly: On the subject of race, are we better off today that seven years ago?

Tavis Smiley: I’m not sure we are and I think ultimately the president missed a moment… On every leading economic issue, in the leading economic issues Black Americans have lost ground in every one of those leading categories. So in the last ten years it hasn’t been good for black folk. This is the president’s most loyal constituency that didn’t gain any ground in that period. "

Let us know your opinion, really , it is so valued.

Roger Amick said...

This is the order to our esteemed host.

Russian interference in election
The president-elect also pledges to meet with leaders of the intelligence community sometime next year.

Insisting it’s time “to move on,” President-elect Donald Trump said Thursday he will nonetheless meet next week with leaders of the intelligence community “to be updated on the facts” of alleged Russian cyberattacks.

“It’s time for our country to move on to bigger and better things,” he said in a statement. “Nevertheless, in the interest of our country and its great people, I will meet with leaders of the intelligence community next week in order to be updated on the facts of this situation.”


Baaa baaa baaa

wphamilton said...

If all that the Russians did was expose corruption in one of our parties, the corruption in support on one candidate, then it's hard to see how this is "interference" rather than "assistance" in our democratic process.

The parties are not public entities, not government. Their security is not national security. If a party is incapable of providing for the security of their deepest secrets, exposing them to the public is a public service.

wphamilton said...

I agree that the problem needs to be addressed. Roger is right about that, but wrong about where the priority should lie.

When a commercial enterprise suffers a data breach we all know what happens, right? That company has to notify every person who might have been affected.
The company is liable for civil penalties. The company is required by statute to take remedial measures to ensure data security, if this company is even allowed to continue at all. There is often a court-ordered oversight of these measures, which often include training every employee in both the law regarding data security and in the required measures to secure data.

If in fact the breaches of the DNC and Clinton's server are deemed to be matters of national security, this is exactly what needs to happen with those entities. No amount of outrage about hackers, no matter how loud and often the cry is raised, can mitigate their negligence in failing to sure that data.

KD. President Trump said...

Russian interference in election"

Nope

Wrong again dumbass

KD, Obama to Punish China for Hacking Target Inc???? said...

Standing Ovation

"If in fact the breaches of the DNC and Clinton's server are deemed to be matters of national security, this is exactly what needs to happen with those entities. No amount of outrage about hackers, no matter how loud and often the cry is raised, can mitigate their negligence in failing to sure that data."

Roger Amick said...

Russian operation hacked a Vermont utility, showing risk to U.S. electrical grid security, officials say.

It could be used to disrupt our entire electrical grid. But that's ok.

Trump said so, the that sheep did as they were told. Baaa baaa baaaa

Roger Amick said...

wp, you will get in trouble, if you agree with me.

As to the priority, the Senate can wait until Trump is sworn in. It's hard to type that. But it should be addressed soon after.

It was a deliberate attack to discredit our democracy,and influence our election. It can be seen as an act of cyber war, in the new era of social media and full time news coverage.

What really bugs me, is that CH is acting like a hack. His objectivity, seems to have been lost. Coldheartedtruth must be objective, not partisan.

Roger Amick said...

I have to disagree with this wp.

"If all that the Russians did was expose corruption in one of our parties, the corruption in support on one candidate, then it's hard to see how this is "interference" rather than "assistance" in our democratic process."

No wp, it does matter.

Any interface by any country in the electoral process is not tolerable. Especially when it comes from a nation that is hostile to the United States. If the Russians had been sending out hacked data that was hostile to the Republican candidate, and Hillary Clinton had won, would the Republicans and their Coldheartedtruth "objective" supporter would be demanding immediate investigations, or more?

You betcha, in bold and caps. You could bet that in no way would our esteemed host, be posting a picture in praise of Vladimir Putin.

opie said...

Putin takes the High Road......

And gets trump to take the bait.....this is going to be interesting to watch as the KGB agent with expertise in psychological interrogation toys with our POTUS.

Commonsense said...

If it was an American who hack the DNC and turn the e-mails over to the New York Times would this warrant the hysteria we now see from the media?

I don't think so.

Commonsense said...

Russian operation hacked a Vermont utility, showing risk to U.S. electrical grid security, officials say.

It could be used to disrupt our entire electrical grid. But that's ok.


Turns out that it was an employee's laptop that was compromised.

Burlington Electric Department found malware on a laptop that is not connected to operation of the grid, Vermont Public Service Commissioner Christopher Recchia said.

Based on his knowledge Friday night, Recchia did not believe the electrical power grid was at risk from the incident.

“The grid is not in danger,” Recchia said. “The utility flagged it, saw it, notified appropriate parties and isolated that one laptop with that malware on it.”

Recchia said Burlington Electric Department notified federal authorities upon discovery of the malware. Further details would come in a public statement from the utility, he said.


The only thing that was disrupted was his access to porn sites.

KD, said...

As to the priority, the Senate can wait until Trump is sworn in. It's hard to type that. But it should be addressed soon after." The Mutt

Ok same waiting time you grant N0-Hop-USA Obimbo, he knew of this for 18 months and did nothing.

Trump Real World Priorities

1, Continue to add 100's of Thousands of new jobs to the US Economy (so far the vast majority of Jobs he has added are UNION JOBS)

2, Cut Taxes on Individuals and those Individuals that run Businesses

3, USSC File that Vacancy with a strong unbending Constitutionalist Conservative



Do these and we will be well on our way to restoring the Great American Dream for All Americans that are willing to work.

KD said...

Has HB asked himself this question.


Why is it that the USA at such a HIGH RISK of cyber attacks?

Why is it No-Hope-USA obimbo has done so little for 8 years?



HB, one more question did the release of the Democrat inside memo's that showed the system was Rigged against Sanders and For Hillary, did those memo's change your vote?

Thanks, love to hear your opinion on all three questions.

President Trump, 45.

KD said...


Turns out that it was an employee's laptop that was compromised. " CS

Just Damn, that is the smacking HB deserved for knowing so little about fucking everything.

He is so freaking stupid.

KD, Kansas Electon not Hacked said...


Kansas/Attorney General
Derek Schmidt


"Kansas Election in 2016 was not in any way Hacked"

Will other State Attorney General be so bold as to speak the truth.

opie said...

In menstra's world, it is okay for the russians to hack any computer they like. Seems to me once again, they were looking for a gateway and got a little fish. So, let them hack away, no harm, no foul, the mantra of the right.

From today's NY daily news. Bebe's conduct has been deplorable and now accusing the US of orchestrating the UN vote......Let him take his 39 billion and cram it up his you know what.


In response, Netanyahu adopted a scorched-earth approach against Security Council member states and reserved his harshest invective for President Obama, whom he accused of orchestrating the resolution behind Israel’s back.

Netanyahu’s behavior was bizarre and inexplicable. Of course he had his reasons not to like the resolution. But his invective against Obama reflects a deeper animus that make no sense, vis-à-vis a President whose administration has been more supportive and protective of Israel than any other in history.

Indeed, the Obama administration had just agreed to provide Israel with $38 billion over the next 10 years; backed deployment of the Iron Dome anti-rocket system; and allowed no UN Security Council resolutions against Israel to pass before the Dec. 23 vote — in sharp contrast to previous administrations. None of this has made a difference for Netanyahu.

KD said...

to watch as the KGB agent with expertise in psychological interrogation toys with our POTUS. " Odopium


It has been fun to watch NO-Hope-USA Obama be played with like a cat toy, remember what ever happened ALL Happened on Obama's watch.

opie said...

I don't think so.

You never think, menstral child.

Commonsense said...

Just Damn, that is the smacking HB deserved for knowing so little about fucking everything.

He is so freaking stupid.


Apparently Opie is also doubling down on stupid.

KD, 21 Trillion in National Debt, now budgets matter , no way, spend said...

I Saw that, Opium is just not been the same since the early hours of Nov. 9th, 2016.


Can you imagine how those two will be at Noon, when President Trump becomes a reality?

rrb said...

You could bet that in no way would our esteemed host, be posting a picture in praise of Vladimir Putin.
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

this is why, in spite of your claims to the contrary, i believe you to be a fucking moron.

acknowledging the fact that putin is a strong leader does not equal praise.

it just so happens that our leader is such a feckless, preening asshole, the contrast could not be more stark.

opie said...

Apparently Opie is also doubling down on stupid.


And you just are stupid, menstral child as shown in your inability to have a cogent thought.

KD, said...

RRB, Exactly

But the NO-Hope-USA obimbo supporters have their narrative for the next four years, IF NOT FOR THE RUSSIANS , Hillary would have won.

Never mind that the emails are real, gave us a look inside the Clinton Machine and the DNC.


I know of no one that changed their vote based on the Released data from the DNC/Hillary Campaign.

I doubt it changed your mind, I know it did not change my mind or my vote.

KD, Love Trumps Liberalism said...

Trump Shows some love:

"'Happy New Year to my many enemies who lost so badly!'

KD, Happy Trump Year said...

'Happy New Year to all, including to my many enemies and those who have fought me and lost so badly they just don't know what to do. Love!'

The death , thank GOD of PC. UKTIMES

Loretta Russo said...

"Can you imagine how those two will be at Noon, when President Trump becomes a reality?"

LOL, it's gonna be priceless.

Popcorn time.

KD, President Obama Happy Trump Year said...

Ette, I agree, priceless.

Think like a liberal for a moment, it was to be a moment that would be recalled forever, the first blackish President, handing over Power to the first Woman President.

We were going to get, more regulation, more restrictions, more nanny state transfers of wealth and more gov't.

They spent over $1 Billion dollars to buy the election, and it did not work, actually no ever close. When she lost by a landslide of 306 to 232, that is the reality of this.

The US Media is pissed off that Trump works long hours, does not drink booze and does not party like a college boy. They are pissed he is not going to party all night, party hoping and wasting money like Obimbo did.

rrb said...

Talk about disappointments. The US government's much-anticipated analysis of Russian-sponsored hacking operations provides almost none of the promised evidence linking them to breaches that the Obama administration claims were orchestrated in an attempt to interfere with the 2016 presidential election.

[...]

Sadly, the JAR, as the Joint Analysis Report is called, does little to end the debate. Instead of providing smoking guns that the Russian government was behind specific hacks, it largely restates previous private-sector claims without providing any support for their validity. Even worse, it provides an effective bait and switch by promising newly declassified intelligence into Russian hackers' "tradecraft and techniques" and instead delivering generic methods carried out by just about all state-sponsored hacking groups.

http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/12/did-russia-tamper-with-the-2016-election-bitter-debate-likely-to-rage-on/


caliphate4vr said...

You are the racist, actually, not me

I want to start with the US elections. I have read post after blog after article telling me why Trump voters voted for him. What we think, how we feel, what matters to us (and what doesn’t, like women and/or minorities), and who we are. With some serious name calling. But you didn’t ask me. And you don’t actually know what I think or feel or want or why I voted. So you are pre-judging me. Based on a whole lot of stuff. But it’s prejudice, no matter how you slice it. And I have tolerated — just barely — eight years of a president who not only told me what to think and feel, but told the world assumptions about me as a white person who grew up with “privilege” that just aren’t true. I watched as my life choices and values as a person living in the West Bank of Israel were summarized, judged and assumed by the leader of the free world in a way that is just false, and offensive to my sense of fairness, justice and humanity. I have been misjudged and mischaracterized, in fact penalized, without a proper understanding of what reality looks like over here.

I have watched a president grab executive power while Congress screamed and the citizens ignored it. I watched a president on the political left, who was democratically elected and is entitled to his views, create a culture of demonization of the Right in a way that is unprecedented in my lifetime. I saw policies that moved the US towards socialism. And I voted against any more years of that. Not that you asked. But when you — or he, or Hilary — call me a misogynist or a racist or a pig or “deplorable” for voting the way I did, you are judging a whole band of “them” that isn’t you. And I know how much you hate it when other people do that.

KD said...

COLDHEARTED TRUTH can we please have a Happy New Year thread with the theme being what do we want to see happen in 2017 that will add to the joy of life both private and public.


Like I want HB to get his transplant, for it to be successful because he is worth keeping around just for the dumb shit he thinks and shares.

rrb said...

If you agree with the fundamental American concept of due process, then I wonder out loud why you would endorse sanctioning without providing evidence?

Just curious....
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the entirety of his existence can be distilled down to the simple fact that he is an insufferable and intellectually dishonest partisan political hack.

that's why.

KD, Did DNC Emails change your vote? said...

And I know how much you hate it when other people do that." Cali

Nice piece, we know that the released emails did not change the vote of HB, Opium or RIP Jane, we also know they did not change the vote of Ette, RRB or myself.

So where are the people that the emails so radically and profoundly changed their vote that in the End Hillary Lost.

It seems like a straw man.

caliphate4vr said...

Obumble in 6 words: praise muslims, ignore Christians, blame Jews

wphamilton said...

It was a deliberate attack to discredit our democracy,and influence our election. It can be seen as an act of cyber war, in the new era of social media and full time news coverage

If it were an actual cyber attack to disrupt our election, our response would be severe. But that's not what happened.

A political party's private emails were exposed. Not the election, not our democracy. Only political operatives were discredited, and only by virtue of their own misbehavior. Democracy thrives on truth, and if anything this has strengthened our democracy by exposing the truth.

wphamilton said...

In my opinion this whole "hacking the election" imbroglio is nothing more than a cynical misinformation campaign by a desperate political party. And it's working to some degree, since about half of the Democrats erroneously believe that our intelligence services have reported Russian hacking of vote totals.

Why, you may ask, have some Republicans taken it seriously enough to suggest further investigations? They have something to hide, and are afraid that it can be used for blackmail or to disrupt their political career.

C.H. Truth said...

Roger - you side with the politicians. I agree with WP.

Of course politicians want to put the blame on hackers rather than take responsibility for their own lack of security.

Once again you see the blatant hypocrity of our government who punish private companies who expose information, but demand when it happens to them that they are the victims.

Of course you would fall in line. Politicians tell you how to think. You follow.

Not me.

Roger Amick said...

wp, I intentionally didn't claim that the RNC has a lot of data that would be highly embarrassing to Trump. But I strongly believe that if data from both sides had been leaked, things would be different.

The Republicans would be demanding instant investigations, and would not be saying, let's just move on.

A vast majority of the Republican establishment had and still has, serious problems with Trump. Given that Trump has a history of shooting from the hip, and leaving it up to his staff to "clarify" his comments, there are probably volumes of email expressing doubts and frustration about the candidate.

If Wikileaks had released that data, you and I would be relieved that Trump had lost. So, yes, I believe that the Russians via Wikileaks, an influence on the outcome of the election.

Roger Amick said...

CH, I already posted my comments as you were ducking the issue, as usual.

Happy New Year

rrb said...

A political party's private emails were exposed. Not the election, not our democracy. Only political operatives were discredited, and only by virtue of their own misbehavior. Democracy thrives on truth, and if anything this has strengthened our democracy by exposing the truth.
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precisely. and when you get down to it, the ultimate irony is that the DNC themselves did more to actually "hack" this election than anyone.

before the campaign officially began, hillary was going to be the dem nominee no matter what. we know with absolute certainty that the democrat primaries were rigged, and that bernie never had a chance.

russia facilitated the embarrassment of many high ranking DNC officials and hillary campaign lackeys.

the democrats were the ones who actually "hacked" this election.

.

Roger Amick said...

Governor Jerry Brown is spot on.

"Donald Trump will soon take office as the most unpopular president-elect in U.S. history. His bigotry and belief in all sorts of discredited nonsense make him a threat to the republic. So it’s understandable the California doesn’t want to be part of this nightmarish experiment, and they are making it clear in the most resounding way."

rrb said...

So, yes, I believe that the Russians via Wikileaks, an influence on the outcome of the election.
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utter horse shit.

it was russia, it was wikileaks, it was comey, it was...

no.

what it was was you offered up a shitty candidate who ran a shitty campaign. a compulsive liar and all-around lousy human being who felt entitled to the presidency as a matter of fact, and in retrospect made obvious errors in her campaign.

you just refuse to embrace the suck, as you bitterly cling to every excuse imaginable as a substitute for the truth.

and now, because of your feckless dear leader, the white house gardening budget is poised to explode to repair all the donuts putin is doing on the white house lawn.

Commonsense said...

"Donald Trump will soon take office as the most unpopular president-elect in U.S. history.

Hyperbolic as usual. The most unpopular president-elect in US history was - wait for it - Abraham Lincoln.

Not only did nearly two thirds of the country voted for someone else a third of the country actually left the union because he was elected.

And those whiney people who couldn't accept the results of that election?

You guess it --- they were Democrats.

rrb said...

So it’s understandable the California doesn’t want to be part of this nightmarish experiment, and they are making it clear in the most resounding way."
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yes, by legalizing the prostitution of minor children:



"SB 1322 bars law enforcement from arresting sex workers who are under the age of 18 for soliciting or engaging in prostitution, or loitering with the intent to do so. So teenage girls (and boys) in California will soon be free to have sex in exchange for money without fear of arrest or prosecution.

[...]

..Alameda County District Attorney Nancy O’Malley, a national leader on human trafficking issues, told the media, “It just opens up the door for traffickers to use these kids to commit crimes and exploit them even worse.” Another prosecutor insightfully observed that if traffickers wrote legislation to protect themselves, it would read like SB 1322.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/california-democrats-legalize-child-prostitution/article/2610540


rrb said...



“Putin is going out of his way to not take Obama seriously,” said Rolf Mowatt-Larssen, who spent decades in the C.I.A. tracking Russia while Mr. Putin was rising in the K.G.B.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/30/us/russia-vladimir-putin-donald-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=1


Loretta Russo said...

"o it’s understandable the California doesn’t want to be part of this nightmarish experimen"

LOL, now THAT'S funny.

PNC said...

The single most crucial element to the preservation of the United States of America as a constitutional republic is our ability to hold legitimate elections, free from foreign meddling.

The legitimacy of our election process was directly targeted and attacked by information warfare from the neo-USSR, an enemy nation diametrically opposed to all of America's national interests as a matter of "principle."

The fact that the Trumpophiles don't care about this just proves once and for all what I've known about them for quite some time--they're just as much miserable traitors and domestic enemies as the Democrats are.

KD said...

Sorry PNC, your wrong.

Did your change to Trump because of the Released Emails, because no one on this blog had their vote changed by the release.

I know no one personally that had their vote changed by the release of the Emails, I am still searching for the 10's of MIllions of votes that switched from Hillary to Trump?

so are you one that changed ?


Wait , Wait, too funny, how unpopular was the Elected President Well, looking fucking here, Bill Clinton, Much More Unpopular the Donald Trump.
William Clinton Albert Gore Jr. Democratic 44,909,806 43.01%
George Bush J. Danforth Quayle Republican 39,104,550 37.45%
H. Ross Perot James Stockdale Independent 19,743,821 18.91%

56.36 Percent of voters , did not , I repeat for the slow minded progressive Clinton lap dog, DID NOT vote for Bill the Rapist.

KD, #HilaryLooksgoodinOrange said...

I do this only to piss off you Clinton WON progressive lap dogs.

You know how Hillary WON the popular vote,,,,, well look at this, the US Senate Races and WHO WON.

Votes Cast By Voters on Senate seats 2016
Democratic: 46,825,663
Republican: 40,419,781

Seats in the US Senate that were won. 2016
Democratic: 12
Republican: 22


http://uselectionatlas.org/2016.php

Roger Amick said...

Assange did not praise Trump, guardedly or otherwise. He was not asked whether he likes Trump, nor did he opine on that. Rather, he was asked what he thought the consequences would be of Trump’s victory: “What about Donald Trump? What is going to happen? … What do you think he means?” Speaking predictively, Assange neutrally described what he believed would be the outcome:

Hillary Clinton’s election would have been a consolidation of power in the existing ruling class of the United States. Donald Trump is not a D.C. insider, he is part of the wealthy ruling elite of the United States, and he is gathering around him a spectrum of other rich people and several idiosyncratic personalities. They do not by themselves form an existing structure, so it is a weak structure which is displacing and destabilizing the pre-existing central power network within D.C. It is a new patronage structure which will evolve rapidly, but at the moment its looseness means there are opportunities for change in the United States: change for the worse and change for the better.

Most of those facts — “Clinton’s election would have been a consolidation of power” and Trump is creating “a new patronage structure” — are barely debatable. They are just observably true. But whatever one’s views on his statements, they do not remotely constitute “praise” for Trump.

In fact, Assange says Trump “is part of the wealthy ruling elite of the United States” who “is gathering around him a spectrum of other rich people and several idiosyncratic personalities.” The fact that Assange sees possibility for exploiting the resulting instability for positive outcomes, along with being fearful about “change for the worse,” makes him exactly like pretty much every political and media organization that is opportunistically searching for ways to convert the Trumpian dark cloud into some silver lining.

Everyone from the New York Times and ThinkProgress to the ACLU and Democratic Socialists has sought or touted a massive upsurge in support ushered in by the Trump victory, with hopes that it will re-embolden support for critical political values. Immediately after the election, Democrats such as Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and Chuck Schumer said exactly what Assange said: that they were willing and eager to exploit the ways that a Trump presidency could create new opportunities (in the case of the first two, Trump’s abrogation of the TPP, and in the case of the latter, fortified support for Israel; as Sanders put it: “To the degree that Mr. Trump is serious about pursuing policies that improve the lives of working families in this country, I and other progressives are prepared to work with him”). None of that remotely constitutes “praise for Trump.” And if it were anyone but Assange saying this, nobody would pretend that was so — indeed, in those other cases, nobody did.

If one wants to be generous and mitigate that claim as sloppy and deceitful rather than an outright fraud, one could do so. But that’s not the case for The Guardian’s second and far more inflammatory claim: that Assange believes Russia is too free and open to need whistleblowing.

More to follow.

Roger Amick said...

In that part of the interview, Assange was asked why most of WikiLeaks’ publications have had their biggest impact in the West rather than in countries such as Russia or China. To see how wildly deceitful Jacobs’s claim was about his answer, just read what he said: He did not say that Russia was too free to need whistleblowing. Instead, he explains that any Russian whistleblower who wanted to leak information would have many better options than WikiLeaks given that Assange’s organization does not speak Russian, is composed of English-speaking Westerners, and focuses on the West:

In Russia, there are many vibrant publications, online blogs, and Kremlin critics such as [Alexey] Navalny are part of that spectrum. There are also newspapers like Novaya Gazeta, in which different parts of society in Moscow are permitted to critique each other and it is tolerated, generally, because it isn’t a big TV channel that might have a mass popular effect, its audience is educated people in Moscow. So my interpretation is that in Russia there are competitors to WikiLeaks, and no WikiLeaks staff speak Russian, so for a strong culture which has its own language, you have to be seen as a local player. WikiLeaks is a predominantly English-speaking organization with a website predominantly in English. We have published more than 800,000 documents about or referencing Russia and President Putin, so we do have quite a bit of coverage, but the majority of our publications come from Western sources, though not always. For example, we have published more than 2 million documents from Syria, including Bashar al-Assad personally. Sometimes we make a publication about a country and they will see WikiLeaks as a player within that country, like with Timor East and Kenya. The real determinant is how distant that culture is from English. Chinese culture is quite far away.

What Assange is saying here is so obvious. He is not saying that Russia is too free and transparent to need whistleblowing; indeed, he points out that WikiLeaks has published some leaked documents about Russia and Putin, along with Assad. What he says instead is that Russian whistleblowers and leakers perceive that they have better options than WikiLeaks, which does not speak the language and has no place in the country’s media and cultural ecosystem. He says exactly the same thing about China (“The real determinant is how distant that culture is from English. Chinese culture is quite far away”).

To convert that into a claim that Assange believes is Russia is too free and open to need whistleblowing — a way of depicting Assange as a propagandist for Putin — is not merely a reckless error. It is journalistic fraud.

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/29/the-guardians-summary-of-julian-assanges-interview-went-viral-and-was-completely-false/

The whole thing is complex and therefore beyond the usual suspects.

I'm still working on it, but it's worth it.

Note the correction.

PNC said...

KD, your argument is like Israel saying "We don't care if Hamas shoots missiles at us because they usually just land out in the desert without doing damage."

You can debate with the Hillarites whether the attack from the neo-USSR on our electoral process was effective or not to all your little hearts' content.

The fact remains that a core institution of our Republic was attacked. Putin took a shot at America's heart.

And you Trumpophiles are saying, "Well he missed, so we'll let him live to shoot at us another day."

Roger Amick said...

Good to see you PNC . You drive the K'putz over the wall.

KD, HB bilked US Tax Payers for $400,000 plus dollars, so far said...

“By focusing in on, primarily, the white middle and working class, and by taking for granted the black working class or the black underclass, the party will add an arm and lose a body,” said Representative Bobby Rush, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus from Chicago. “The black vote is the foundation of the Democratic Party and we won’t be taken for granted.”


WOW, now that is a level of a special kind of Stupid. The black vote has been bought and paid for by LBJ.

Then their is this dirt dumb Socialist that never knew that Hillary owned the DNC and the two plotted against his stupid ass:

"“[Clinton] should have won this election by 10 percentage points,” Senator Bernie Sanders, the independent from Vermont who challenged Clinton in the Democratic primary, said after the general election. “The question is: Why is it that millions of white working-class people who voted for [President] Obama turned their backs on the Democratic Party?”

wphamilton said...

The legitimacy of our election process was directly targeted and attacked by information warfare

Someone who believes that must then also acknowledge that the DNC waged information warfare against the United States and our election process, by seeking to keep secret their anti-democratic behavior.

Between the two, publishing the truth aids our democratic process, while maintaining the secrets of misbehavior degrades our democratic process. By extending your own reasoning, the Russians (if indeed it were they) were fighting out our side.

KD, Trump can not be President Ever, he did not WIN said...

PNC, so you were set to vote for Hillary, but, Putin manipulated you and you voted for Trump.

Ok

KD, LOL @ HB Daily said...

Julian Assange a trusted voice According to HB.

OK, now that HB has vouched for Julian, Julian Assange said in an interview with Sean Hannity, : 'Our Source Is Not the Russian Government ..."

HB, you story of the power grid being Hacked was total bullshit.

Did you too vote for Trump because Putin put a spell on you?

Loretta Russo said...

"Between the two, publishing the truth aids our democratic process, while maintaining the secrets of misbehavior degrades our democratic process. By extending your own reasoning, the Russians (if indeed it were they) were fighting out our side."

Exactly.

PNC said...

Wphamilton, if you think the neo-USSR has ever acted on our side, you belong in Gitmo. Along with your gilded idol, socialist Donald Trump.

KD, you and your Dear Leader are the ones who devotedly obey Putin like some ISIS sex slave with Stockholm syndrome, not me.

wphamilton said...

If the conclusion is wrong, and it follows logically from your premise, then your premise must be wrong.

You've already demonstrated flawed reasoning by stating that I idolize Trump, which of course does not follow from anything here. In fact, there is little about Trump that I can find to support at all. So I'll state this plainly so that there is no possible misunderstanding: there was no election hack, and no attack on our democracy. What did occur was a rather low-level breach of the email accounts of several individuals, and the publishing of the contents.

PNC said...

Here's your problem: My premise is correct, but the "logic" you used to arrive at your conclusion is sheer idiocy. It's based on the flawed thinking that secrecy is information warfare (it's not) and that exposing one campaign as corrupt while omitting corruption in the other campaign is beneficial.

I'll believe you don't idolize Trump when you Vichy Republicans showing signs of thoughts that don't line up precisely with his.

You can minimize what happened by calling it a "low-level breach", but you conveniently leave out the fact that this was done by or on behalf of an enemy government, with the clear intent of changing the trajectory of our election process. That makes it an attack on a fundamental institution of the Republic.

Ignoring that and doing nothing about it, as Trump and his cult/party want to do, is treason by negligence.

Commonsense said...

A few questions for PNC.

1. Was it "democratic" of the Democrat party to rigged the outcome of their primary process to ensure the nomination of Hillary Clinton?

2. Didn't Bernie Sanders and his supporters have a right to know they were participating in a system that was rigged against them?

3. If the emails were leaked by a DNC whistleblower instead of an alleged "Russian hack" would we even be having this conversation?

4. If the winner was anybody but Trump would there be the same level of outrage you are showing now?

PNC said...

1. The Supreme Court has affirmed that political parties have a broad right to conduct their internal affairs as the party sees fit. Some parties don't even have primaries. The Democrats' nomination process is a farce, but there's no law against it, and parties (mis)managing themselves as they choose is no threat to the Republic.

2. Sanders and his supporters knew that the Democrat nomination system was rigged against them when they signed on. It's not like the superdelegates that nearly have the power to effectively override primary results were something Hillary pulled out of her ass at the last minute. In fact, Sanders' stated intention was to use that aspect of this system to his advantage. Truth is you've got one Democrat faction butthurt because they weren't as good at rigging things in their favor than the other faction.

Now to put the ball in your court: Why don't you Republicans resent the fact that the Democrats were working their media influence to rig the Republican primary for Trump? The Sanders voters were outraged but the Republicans act like whipped dogs any time Trump is involved.

3. Do you seriously fail to see what the difference would be between an American creating electoral mayhem and foreign nationals meddling in our process?

4. It's unlikely that anyone but Putin's vassal Trump would have gotten material support from the neo-USSR in this way, so there would have been nothing to be outraged about.

wphamilton said...

If you want to use the narrow definitions of information warfare, it is only applied to shape political context of a military conflict - by those definitions there was no "information warfare" by anyone. If you want to expand the meaning of the term to include political contests, or you're using it as a metaphor, then you can't arbitrarily pick and choose which facets of information management belong to "information warfare".

Regardless of how you label it, keeping the secrets of misbehavior of the politically influential is a greater attack on the democratic process than is exposing them. The assumption that this means that Russia's primary objective would necessarily have been to aid our democratic process is another logic fail.

That an action had a particular consequence does not imply that the consequence was the actor's objective. This fact is kind of key to the entire issue - for example, the FBI needing objectively actionable intelligence does not ascribe a motive for the email hacking, whereas the CIA, who trades in potential threats, believe there is a likelihood that the motivation was to influence the election.

Either way it was just emails of some bad actors, potentially criminal. Our own intelligence services do this routinely, though granted usually without publishing the data, so it's something of a reach to even consider it a violation of international norms let alone an act of war. Politicians don't like it obviously - the Germans didn't like it for example when the Snowden leaks showed that we spied on Merkel and her Ministers. Hacked their phones.

The irony of this situation is that by publishing the emails, all value of the information was expended. The threat is stronger than the execution; and anything significant is better utilized before it is public knowledge.
That the information was published can only mean one of the following: it wasn't significant, there was no value in using the secret knowledge, no intent to harm the US, or it was of transient value.

Most likely the latter, although all may be partially true. Since the information released pertained to one candidate, the most reasonable scenario is that it was directed against that candidate, would be useless post-election and was therefore not risible for the purposes of blackmail. This all points to an attack against one person, rather than support for another or a general "information warfare" attack against our nation.

Commonsense said...

The Democrats' nomination process is a farce, but there's no law against it, and parties (mis)managing themselves as they choose is no threat to the Republic.

Well hypocrisy is still hypocrisy regardless of whether it's legal or not but here's the important point:

If the way parties choose to (mis)manage themselves pose no threat to the Republic then exposing how they choose to (mis)manage themselves also poses no threat to the Republic.

Sanders and his supporters knew that the Democrat nomination system was rigged against them when they signed on.

Apparently not as the subsequent fallout has shown.

Do you seriously fail to see what the difference would be between an American creating electoral mayhem and foreign nationals meddling in our process?

In this case no. The end effect was the same. A better informed electorate.

If you don't want your secret vote rigging exposed then maybe you shouldn't be vote rigging to begin with.

It's unlikely that anyone but Putin's vassal Trump would have gotten material support from the neo-USSR in this way

It is simply your unsupported allegation that Putin provided material support to Trump.

The Obama administration has already said they didn't move on the alleged Russian hacking because they thought Hillary Clinton would win.

And judging from their public actions they are treating this as a minor diplomatic squabble that is not worth seriously injuring Russo-US relations.