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Saturday, March 4, 2017

What's the buzz about wiretapping

The Trump Towers wiretap story has been circulating the past few days. Quite obviously it made it's way back to the President and he is none too pleased. The concept of the wiretapping was first reported by Heat Street, but repeated by others. The fact that the Federal Government seemed to be routinely intercepting communications from members of the Trump team seems at least somewhat suspicious.


To further confuse matters, there also been reports (NT Times and others) that the government had been collecting metadata from servers from within the Trump Towers (but not necessarily monitoring other communications).

Here seems to be a good recap of what people have been hearing and reporting:

KEEPING AN EYE ON RUSSIA  
1. In June 2016, the Obama administration filed a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Trump and several advisers but the request was denied, according to Heat Street former editor, Louise Mensch.
2. In October, the Obama administration submitted a new FISA request, which focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russia, according to Heat Street.
4. In January 2017, Christopher Steele was named as ex-MI6 agent behind 'fake' Trump sex dossier. None of the allegations were verified and some were proven false. Also in January, the Obama administration expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government's 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.
5. In January 2017, American law enforcement and intelligence agencies examined intercepted communications and financial transactions as part of a broad investigation into possible links between Russian officials and associates of Trump, according to the Times.
6. The Times also reported in January that White House officials took efforts in the closing days of the Obama administration to analyze and spread information about Russian election interference, driven by a concern that the material might get buried by Trump.
7. A month later, ex- National Security Adviser Mike Flynn was forced to resign from his position following reports that he had misled Vice President Mike Pence and other officials about his contacts with Russia.
8. Also in February, phone records and intercepted calls showed that members of Trump's campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, the Times reported.
9. In March, US Attorney General Jeff Sessions removed himself from all investigations involving the presidential campaign in a stunning turnaround to save his job on Thursday afternoon. It was revealed that he didn't tell Congress about his meetings with the Russian ambassador to the US. He then announced he was recusing himself from all investigations connected to the presidential election.

My gut feeling is that much of this (but not necessarily all of it) is probably true. My degree of skepticism mainly on points one and two. Heat Street isn't exactly a reliable source as it might pertain to what the Federal Government is or isn't doing with a FICA request, and other sources have been vague as to where they got their information. Whenever  you have a consistency with various reports from unnamed sources... it could either mean that they are true, or they all originate from the same fake source.

That being said, there is enough specific information to be able to verify one way or the other. If in fact there was a FICA warrant granted to either collect metadata from servers or to wiretap communications from Trump Towers, then this becomes a huge issue.

As far as the Trump tweets go. While many on the left will want to make this about Trump making allegations of wiretapping without proof, it will probably move the conversation into whether or not it's true and to what degree is there a concerted effort by the "deep state" to undermine the Presidency.

The irony is that while your Democrats and liberal press will all feint shock that such allegations are made without proof...  in all reality any allegations of Trump colluding with the Russians are equally without proof. Possibly more ironic is that much of the "reasoning" behind the claims that Trump and his team colluded with the Russians comes from so called "intercepted communications". How do you intercept communications if you are not monitoring them in the first place?


90 comments:

Roger Amick said...

A spokesman for former President Obama issued a strong denial to President Trump's accusation that the former commander-in-chief wiretapped Trump Tower phones during the election campaign.

"A cardinal rule of the Obama administration was that no White House official ever interfered with any independent investigation led by the Department of Justice," Obama spokesman Kevin Lewis said in a statement Saturday. "As part of that practice, neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen. Any suggestion otherwise is simply false."

The former president was responding to a series of tweets Saturday morning by Trump claiming that the former president wiretapped phones in Trump Tower in New York City during the presidential campaign.

Trump offered no proof for his claims.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-accuses-obama-wiretapping-phones-trump-tower/story?id=45905776

Roger Amick said...

www.cnn.com/2017/03/04/politics/trump-obama-wiretap-tweet/

15 mins ago - Without evidence, Trump accuses Obama of wiretapping him .... led by the Department of Justice," Obama spokesman Kevin Lewis said in a statement. "As part ...
Obama strongly denies Trump accusation that he wiretapped phones ...
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27 mins ago - Obama strongly denies Trump accusation that he wiretapped phones in Trump ... of Justice," Obama spokesman Kevin Lewis said in a statement Saturday.
Obama denies Trump claim he wiretapped him during campaign ...
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-obama-idUSKBN16B0CC
18 mins ago - Any suggestion otherwise is simply false," Obama spokesman Kevin Lewis said in a ... In one of the Tweets, Trump said the alleged wiretapping took place in his ...
Trump, Offering No Evidence, Says Obama Tapped His Phones - The ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/04/us/politics/trump-obama-tap-phones.html
20 mins ago - A spokesman for Mr. Obama, Kevin Lewis, issued a statement dismissing the ... the government had wiretapped Mr. Trump, and that the current president should ...
Obama spokesman calls Trump wiretapping claims "simply false ...
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Obama spokesman says Trump's wiretapping allegation is false - The ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/...obama...wiretapped.../723727f0-00f0-11e7-9b78-82...
2 mins ago - Obama spokesman Kevin Lewis said a “cardinal rule” of the Obama administration was that no White House official ever interfered in any Justice Department ...
Obama 'never ordered Trump wire-tapping' - BBC News [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39168149_hackersafe]
www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39168149
19 mins ago - Claims Barack Obama ordered wire-tapping of Donald Trump are "simply false", ... Kevin Lewis said that "neither President Obama nor any White House official ...
Obama Spokesman Refutes Trump's Wiretapping Claim - NBC News
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5 mins ago - Obama spokesman Kevin Lewis said in a statement that no administration or ... Saturday that former President Barack Obama had wiretapped Trump Tower ...
Obama spokesman: Trump wiretap accusation 'simply false' | TheHill
thehill.com/.../322364-obama-spokesman-denies-trumps-accusations-of-wiretapping
20 mins ago - ... the Obama Administration was that no White House official ever interfered with any independent investigation led by the Department of Justice," Kevin Lewis ...

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C.H. Truth said...

Roger - there is no proof of Trump colluding with the Russians either.

KD said...

we have officially lost old poor stupid financial broke Rog.

C.H. Truth said...

I would also suggest that the "strong denials" are sort of only denying that anything was specifically ordered by the President:

"A cardinal rule of the Obama administration was that no White House official ever interfered with any independent investigation led by the Department of Justice," Obama spokesman Kevin Lewis said in a statement Saturday. "As part of that practice, neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen. Any suggestion otherwise is simply false."

"No president can order a wiretap," Rhodes said

In other words, they are denying that the former President ordered any wiretapping. But... they are actually not denying that Trump Towers may have been wiretapped. In fact, one might ask why he specifically brought up the Department of Justice and independent investigations.

What do you think Roger? Is it possible that these are non-denial denials?

Roger Amick said...

We need to back off and wait till some of the dust settles. Trump's tweets seem nuts, but if the FBI did this, it could not have been involved or even informed of the taps. We need a special prosecutor to investigate both Russian's rigging the election with the Trump campaign, and to see of the former President, Barack Obama was involved in the wire taps.

KD said...

Dems have a history of this kind of thing, JFK and his flake brother that just happened to be the AG did against Dr. King.

Trump is not about to put up with this kind of shit from the losers.

Myballs said...

Trump's tweets don't seem nuts. Knowing obama, it's likely to have some truth to it.

Roger Amick said...

I have a new theory and it's just as credible as the Trump accusations. The Russians hacked into the entire American internet system and fed the data to Trump via a hack of Breitbart and "Faux" news servers to make the United States lose all credibility around the world. What do you think?

wphamilton said...

Are you being facetious Roger? Is everything a Russian plot to manipulate people now?

The secret court's wiretap order is enough proof in itself - what proof did this court need before allowing a private citizen's rights to be abused?

Obama only denies that he was personally involved, and maybe that is the truth, but who cares? His government, his agencies, were conducting illegal surveillance on a political opponent. Or it would be illegal except for that back-door federal court. Trump has every right to be angry, and can devote whatever resources are necessary to get to the bottom of it.

KD said...

Pre Nov 8th, 2016 AG Lynch went to the FISA Court and obtained a warrant and tapped Trump Towers.

Ok, next issue.

KD, Obama Sleeper Cells in the US Govt said...

What do you think? " Drunk
'

I think that losing so much money like you did betting with Paul Krugman against the US Economy and US Workers has you in hot water with your wife after she asked you how could you loss so much money so fast.

The stress of a Trump win/ Hillary loss and your broken personal finances has you spinning after your own drunk ass tail.


I do pity you. Really.

opie said...



there is no proof of Trump colluding with the Russians either.

The only thing colluding is you and trump leaking a warrant for something in the campaign which may prove collusion........Me thinks donnie stepped on his massive member not knowing wtf is going on!!!!

Some really inane comments so far, especially the KD idiot. Don't you understand that trump is the ultimate classifier and if there is an order for a wire tap, he has the authority to release the names and everything else involved!!! Please, faux news identified the source as an article from breitbart. That alone blows the credibility out the door....

James said...

Ch's comment up at the top -- non denial denial -- is pure blather.

Roger Amick said...

I have been preparing a post. It's pretty simple, the next four years, are going to be President Apprentice, a reality television show.


wp, I'm sarcastic at times.

Roger Amick said...

Anonymous KD said...
we have officially lost old poor stupid financial broke Rog.
He's an idiot. We have a guaranteed income for life, at six figures.

We are better off than most retired.

Commonsense said...

So what did president Obama know and when did he know it?

Roger Amick said...

wrote an opinion piece on the blog, run by an intelligent but misguided conservative, that I thought the job as President was going to be unbelievably more difficult than he knew, and he would find that the President does not have as much power than a CEO of a business. It is apparent that the job is very frustrating.. An example is that his well regarded speech last Tuesday, was forgotten. The stories on the Russian hacks, and other things just put that speech into the history books.

What really amazed me on his claim that Obama was wire tapping his golden tower, and he did it without consulting his White House staff or senior advisors. He acted as he will , impulsively. He got he claim from Breitbart and other right wing blogs. We are going to have a four year Presidency Apprentice.

I have said that his accusation, if he's wrong and irresponsibly tweeting the 3:00 AM Tweet Storm, that the cabinet should consider the use of the 25th amendment to make Mike Pence the acting President, until both houses of congress vote a 2/3 margin, he will be removed permanently.

Roger Amick said...

So what did president Obama know and when did he know it?

We do not have an answer to either part of your question

I would be surprised that Obama personally told them to wire tap. He's a highly intelligent man, and i find that very unlikely. It is possible in a couple ways.

1: The FBI, in looking for information on the Russian hacking charges. It's not likely that the President was informed in advance or asked for approval. But if he was in the decision to do the wire taps, on the accusations of Russian interference in the election, I don't know if that's a legal problem, but probably not

2 If he did a Watergate like act, it will not make much of a change in things. He's no longer the President. It may be possible he could be charged, but I'm not a lawyer and no one else who posts here either, so we can wait and see. But it would be wrong for sure.Again, even you can't believe that he is stupid enough to do that.

Commonsense said...

I'm sure Obama's senior staff knew.

Do you really think people in his administration would be so rogue as to not give AG Lynch a heads up before seeking FISA warrants on the presidential nominee of the opposition party?

Do you really think AG Lynch would not tell the president.

Do you really think Obama would be so clueless that he would not give the go ahead knowing what he was doing?

Do you really think it was anything other than a political intel op?

Roger Amick said...

He is mentally ill.

AIDES CAUGHT BY SURPRISE

Trump was spending the weekend at his Florida seaside resort, Mar-a-Lago. He was scheduled to meet with Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly before a dinner with officials also including adviser Steve Bannon and White House Counsel Don McGahn, the White House said.

Amid a political storm, Sessions on Thursday announced he would stay out of any probe into alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election after it emerged he met last year with Russia’s ambassador, although he maintained he did nothing wrong by failing to disclose the meeting.

A Trump spokeswoman said the president spent part of Saturday “having meetings, making phone calls and hitting balls” at his golf course in West Palm Beach.

His supporters, meanwhile, staged small rallies in at least 28 of the country’s 50 states, most of which passed off peacefully. But there were clashes in the famously left-leaning city of Berkeley, California, where protesters from both sides hit each other over the head with wooden sticks.

Trump’s tweets caught his aides by surprise, with one saying it was unclear what the president was referring to.

Members of Congress said Trump’s accusations require investigation or explanation.

Senator Ben Sasse, a Republican, described the allegations as serious and said the public deserved more information. He said in a statement it was possible that Trump had been illegally tapped, but, if so, the president should explain what sort of tap it was and how he knew about it.

U.S. Representative Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, called Trump’s assertion a “spectacularly reckless allegation”.

“If there is something bad or sick going on, it is the willingness of the nation’s chief executive to make the most outlandish and destructive claims without providing a scintilla of evidence to support them,” Schiff said in a statement.

Former Obama adviser Ben Rhodes strongly denied Trump’s allegations: “No president can order a wiretap. Those restrictions were put in place to protect citizens from people like you,” Rhodes wrote on Twitter.

Roger Amick said...

PALM BEACH, Fla. — A spokesman for former President Barack Obama says that “neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen.” Kevin Lewis says “any suggestion otherwise is simply false.”

The Obama spokesman was responding to President Donald Trump’s tweeted accusation that Obama had telephones at Trump Tower wiretapped during the election campaign.

Trump said in a series of early morning tweets that he “just found out that Obama had my ‘wires tapped’ in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!’

It’s not clear what prompted Trump’s charge.

In recent days, the Breitbart News website has published reports citing other anonymously sourced or unconfirmed reports about Obama administration attempts to investigate Trump campaign ties to Moscow. The Associated Press has not confirmed those reports.

Rep. Adam Schiff of California, the senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said in a statement that Trump was making “the most outlandish and destructive claims without providing a scintilla of evidence to support them.”

Trump is spending the weekend at Mar-a-Lago, his waterfront estate in Palm Beach, Florida. After spending several hours at his West Palm Beach golf club, he is scheduled to have dinner with Attorney General Jeff Sessions, Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly, Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross and other White House advisers.

He is out of his fucking mind. Be afraid, very afraide.

Roger Amick said...

When politicians do something like this, it's meant to distract from the other accusations, This is more evidence that the Russian hacking was done in cooperation with the Trump campaign.

Loretta Russo said...

Spam by the drunkard.

Loretta Russo said...

Spam by the drunkard.

Loretta Russo said...

Spam by the drunkard.

Roger Amick said...

Obama spokesman Kevin Lewis said it had been a “cardinal rule” of the Obama administration that no White House official ever interfered with any independent investigation led by the Department of Justice.

“Neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen. Any suggestion otherwise is simply false,” Lewis said in a statement.

The statement did not address the possibility that a wiretap of the Trump campaign could have been ordered by Justice Department officials.

Trump said the alleged wiretapping took place in his Trump Tower office and apartment building in New York, but there was “nothing found.” The White House did not respond to a request to elaborate on Trump’s accusations.

The Trump White House is embarrass by this Tweet Storm. News reports from several sources have, from "unnamed" reports that they were shocked and embarrassed. He did not consult with his own justice department, he relied on Breitbart and Mark Leven, who is as crazy as Trump. Seriously folks, this guy is showing his true colors. The speech Tuesday night, that was well received even by Chris Matthews. And he's a harsh critic of Trump. He ends each of his Hardball shows with a "Trump Watch" report that is rarely positive.

Oh, and Loretta, get help, you are getting more pathetic with every one of these.


Blogger Loretta Russo said...

Spam by the drunkard.

March 5, 2017 at 1:06 AM
Blogger Loretta Russo said...

Spam by the drunkard.

March 5, 2017 at 1:06 AM
Blogger Loretta Russo said...

Spam by the drunkard.

You can't write anything coherent in support of Trump, all you are able to do is type five words, over and over and over and over and over again #crazybitch

Roger Amick said...

Link to the above posts.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-wiretape-obama_us_58bb8990e4b0d2821b4ea961?6vn47hkkl8xwjc3di&

#crazybitch

Loretta Russo said...

Stupid spamming drunkard.

Commonsense said...

You notice in Roger's cut and paste not one them actually denied that Trump Tower was bugged by the Obama administration.

Loretta Russo said...

Roger's just another tool for Obama.

We know Trump Tower was bugged...two words...

Michael Flynn.

caliphate4vr said...

I think liver believed every one of these

“More young black men languish in prison than attend colleges and universities across America”

“We signed into law the biggest middle-class tax cut in history”

“90 percent of the budget deficit is due to George W. Bush’s policies”

“If you like your health-care plan, you can keep it”

“The Capitol Hill janitors just got a pay cut”

“The day after Benghazi happened, I acknowledged that this was an act of terrorism”

“I didn’t call the Islamic State a ‘JV’ team”

“Republicans have filibustered 500 pieces of legislation”

“The Keystone pipeline is for oil that bypasses the United States”

“We have fired a whole bunch of people who are in charge of these [VA] facilities”


And I know the pederast pastor did


opie said...

caliphate4vr said...
I think liver believed every one of these

The great non thinker adds another perfect C&P from the failing WP, the source that is completely BS according to his liar trump. BTW....trump should release the warrant for the wire tap....since he can declassify anything. All he has done is got the idiots like you talking about something that is bogus. Nice going pauline et al.

Myballs said...

Obama's spox didn't deny the wiretap, only that the Whitehouse didn't order it.

Commonsense said...

The also used Clintonian parsing when they said the "White house didn't order it".

Anyone with an IQ above room temperature knows Obama knew of and approved the wiretap.

Loretta Russo said...

"caliphate4vrMarch 5, 2017 at 6:02 AM
I think liver believed every one of these"

LOL.

I'll wager he wrote (with his hair on fire) about every damn one of them.

King Kook of the trash blog.

caliphate4vr said...

Roger do you need fatty to defend you? Or is he just waddling in, in hopes of someone noticing his very large arse

LMAO

califat forever said...

Anonymous caliphate4vr said...
Roger do you need fatty to defend you?

Again you show why you are the non thinking idiot you are. How's that lake cabin of yours coming? LOLOLOL. Can you stand up with that HUUUGE head of yours?????

Loretta Russo said...
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Myballs said...

Trump is a master of this. If he began it with proof, it would be quickly dismissed by the left and minimized. But now it's become a major debate that cannot be ignored. And at the same time knocks tge sessions nonstory off the front page.

Loretta Russo said...

True.

opie said...

If he began it with proof,

If he had proof, he could release it...he is POTUS and can declassify anything. It is obvious, trump is the ultimate troller and you and loretta have taken the bait, hook line and stinking sinker. Tough again to discern who the biggest fool is. BTW...trump has taken to the lorettaesque method of tweeting, just make shit up. Trump himself knocked sessions off the page and russia....figure it out ballz, you have a masters degree, he did it for that exact reason.

KD, Winning Trump running lapes around Liberals said...

I am willing and more important to be the Good Semaritan for HB and his kin.

I think that losing so much money like you did betting with Paul Krugman against the US Economy and US Workers has you in hot water with your wife after she asked you how could you loss so much money so fast.

The stress of a Trump win/ Hillary loss and your broken personal finances has you spinning after your own drunk ass tail.

Stupid ass HB, having a home mortgage payment at your age is purely the kind of mismanagement you have been doing in your entire life, from divorce to drinking to shorting your new wife 25 % income, to the losses I stated above.

You can not be faulted for your low education on fincial matter you are after all a flaming liberal. You were taught nothing and it shows.

I pray for you wife and kids, they will be left with nothing as you stated your hate for transfer of wealth after you die.

Today, is like other days, wonderful secure in knowing Hillary Rotten Clinton will never be president and Obama is in deep criminal trouble, spying on Political Rivals, right out of the BOOM BOOM Kennedy play book.

Roger Amick said...

The request by President Donald Trump for the congress to investigate the alleged wiretapping, despite presenting any evidence to support his accusations.

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongsts those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor;he speaks in accents familar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments , he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist . A murderer is less to fear." - Marcus Tullius Cicero

This quote by Cicero perfectly describes Donald Trump. Even worse is the study by John's Hopkins university, that provides irrefutable evidence that the President Donald J Trump is clinically insane.

KD , More Poor Blacks In the USA today said...

LIE OF THE WEEKEND

"“Neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen. Any suggestion otherwise is simply false,” Lewis said in a statement."

Really, seems to me Obama had a "Kill List" on that list were many US Citizens.

Liberals act as if algore's internet has not been invented yet and this stuff is "eye's Only" for them.

A google search shows Obama lied and continues to lie now.

"On May 22, 2013, the Obama administration "formally acknowledged for the first time that it had killed four American citizens in drone strikes outside the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq" since 2009, The New York Times said in a news story posted online that day."
Anwar al-Awlaki
OH OH, the lie over the cover up and you have the perfect Liberal Criminal Enterprise.

Roger Amick said...

Psychologically Unfit to be President!" — prompted the American Psychiatric Association to issue the so-called "Goldwater Rule": "It is unethical for a psychiatrist to offer a professional opinion unless he or she has conducted an examination" of the patient in question.

As a result, shrinks are the only professionals who are not allowed to offer their expertise to journalists trying to explain complicated issues to the public. Indeed, scientists can tell us about global warming, engineers can tell us if a bridge is about to give way, and soldiers can tell us if an enemy is weak or strong. But the mental health of the President? Not anymore.

For the past few weeks, psychologists have been speaking out, arguing that their professional integrity, and patriotism, can't be silenced. The latest? A top psychotherapist affiliated with the esteemed Johns Hopkins University Medical School said Trump "is dangerously mentally ill and temperamentally incapable of being president.”

In an earlier effort just after the election, thousands of shrinks joined a new group called "Citizen Therapists Against Trumpism," which quickly released a "Public Manifesto" to warn America about its leader's apparent psychosis.

"We cannot remain silent as we witness the rise of an American form of fascism," the manifesto states.

The American Psychiatric Association says that anyone exhibiting five of the following nine egotistical traits has Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Count up how many Trump exhibits:

1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements).

2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.

3. Believe that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with other special or high-status people.

4. Requires excessive admiration.

5. Has a sense of entitlement.

6. Is interpersonally exploitative.

7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.

8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her.

KD, 25 % less money in retirement , smart move HB said...

All this past week HB had a bro-mance with all things "W".

SO it is only fitting that it continue. Obama does not get off this hook that Trump drove down his throat.

"Former Attorney General Michael Mukasey on Sunday said that President Trump is likely correct that there was surveillance on Trump Tower for intelligence purposes, but incorrect in accusing former President Barack Obama of ordering the wiretapping.

“I think he’s right in that there was surveillance and that it was conducted at the behest of the attorney general – at the Justice Department,” Mukasey told ABC’s “This Week.”

IF this is true lets see the Warrant and today.

Remember HB told us Obama has all the documents, he saved them, so get to it Obimbo .

KD, said...

HB, your love of golden showers is clear, but damn dude keep it to you and your wife and not this blog, go to your pervert blog and continue posting it their.

Roger Amick said...

1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements). His irrational claims that Trump inauguration drew the largest crowd in history.

2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love. His fascination with signing executive direction on camera.

3. Believe that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with other special or high-status people. No rational person can deny this.

4. Requires excessive admiration. Again, the evidence of claims that are untrue.

5. Has a sense of entitlement. See his inauguration speech.

6. Is interpersonally exploitative. More evidence with his exaggerated claims that everything he does, is the greatest in history.

7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others. His belief that his fame gave him the right to grab women by the pussy.

8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her. Seriously, just look at his claims of wiretapping, despite presenting zero evidence that support his accusations.

None of you will actually read this and think about it. Instead you will respond with childish insults.

rrb said...

Roger Amick said...
The request by President Donald Trump for the congress to investigate the alleged wiretapping, despite presenting any evidence to support his accusations.
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so....
we are to believe that the russians hacked our election and installed trump as our president based upon no actual evidence...

...but it is evidence that is required to tie 0linsky and his minions to the wiretapping of trump and his team at trump tower.

alrighty then.

rrb said...

None of you will actually read this and think about it. Instead you will respond with childish insults.
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

every one of those eight points is an indictment of your dear leader - 0linsky.

if you have a point to make now would be a god time to make it. i'm curious as to why you would post a list of 0linsky's traits now that he's out of office.

perhaps you could elaborate?

Roger Amick said...

Cue the childish insults.

The President presents a clearest threat to our democratic republic, since the Civil War.

Roger Amick said...

1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements). His irrational claims that Trump inauguration drew the largest crowd in history.

2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love. His fascination with signing executive direction on camera.

3. Believe that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with other special or high-status people. No rational person can deny this.

4. Requires excessive admiration. Again, the evidence of claims that are untrue.

5. Has a sense of entitlement. See his inauguration speech.

6. Is interpersonally exploitative. More evidence with his exaggerated claims that everything he does, is the greatest in history.

7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others. His belief that his fame gave him the right to grab women by the pussy.

8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her. Seriously, just look at his claims of wiretapping, despite presenting zero evidence that support his accusations.

None of you will actually read this and think about it. Instead you will respond with childish insults.

Commonsense said...

If he had proof, he could release it..

Oh I can the value of him making the accusation, then let the media hang themselves (as CNN is already doing) by calling it false.

And then blasting them with undeniable proof.

It's killing two birds with one stone.

rrb said...

Former Obama adviser Ben Rhodes strongly denied Trump’s allegations:
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so the guy who prided himself on creating an echo chamber of falsehoods that would be reliably repeated by young, impressionable, and clueless cub reporters is probably not the guy you want out there refuting these allegations.

Roger Amick said...

The Coldheartedtruth claims that Trump is the greatest President in history is as crazy as the President.

From the enemy of the people, aka, The New York Times.

Trump’s demand for a congressional investigation appears to be based, at least in part, on unproved claims by Breitbart News and conservative talk radio hosts that secret warrants were issued authorizing the tapping of the phones of Mr. Trump and his aides at Trump Tower in New York.

In a series of Twitter messages on Saturday, the president seemed to be convinced that those claims were true. In one post, Mr. Trump said, “I’d bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!”

On Sunday, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the deputy White House press secretary, said the president was determined to find out what had really happened, calling it potentially the “greatest abuse of power” that the country has ever seen.

“Look, I think he’s going off of information that he’s seen that has led him to believe that this is a very real potential,” Ms. Sanders said on ABC’s “This Week” program. “And if it is, this is the greatest overreach and the greatest abuse of power that I think we have ever seen and a huge attack on democracy itself. And the American people have a right to know if this took place.”

Senior law enforcement and intelligence officials who worked in the Obama administration have said there were no such secret intelligence warrants regarding Mr. Trump. Asked whether such a warrant existed, James R. Clapper Jr., a former director of national intelligence, said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” program, “Not to my knowledge, no.”

“There was no such wiretap activity mounted against the president-elect at the time as a candidate or against his campaign,” Mr. Clapper added.

Mr. Trump’s demands for a congressional investigation were initially met with skepticism by lawmakers, including Republicans. Appearing on CNN’s “State of the Union” on Sunday, Senator Marco Rubio, Republican of Florida, said he was “not sure what it is that he is talking about.”

“I’m not sure what the genesis of that statement was,” Mr. Rubio said.

Pressed to elaborate on “Meet the Press,” Mr. Rubio said, “I’m not going to be a part of a witch hunt, but I’m also not going to be a part of a cover-up.”

Roger Amick said...

The President presents a clearest threat to our democratic republic, since the Civil War.

And yes, I have no doubt.

rrb said...

The President presents a clearest threat to our democratic republic, since the Civil War.
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loosen your grip on your pearls and get up off the fainting couch, alky.

it's ironic that every point you are attempting to make about trump is precisely an example of psychological projection - as every point can be laid squarely at the feet of your dear leader 0linsky.

why wouldn't we believe that 0linsky would wiretap trump since we know he wiretapped james rosen, james risen, sheryl atkisson, and several AP reporters.

we know he weaponized the IRS to pursue tea party groups.

we know he directly and specifically interfered in benyamin netanyahu's re-election campaign using US taxpayer dollars to do so.

in fact, everything you've posted just drips with irony. you accuse trump of these things while we KNOW for a FACT that 0linsky actually did them.

so carry on, nickledick. the hole you're digging is only getting deeper.

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rrb said...

Asked whether such a warrant existed, James R. Clapper Jr., a former director of national intelligence, said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” program, “Not to my knowledge, no.”
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would this be the james r. clapper jr. that we know for a fact lied to congress?

THAT james r clapper jr.???



Some lawmakers reacted to the long-expected resignation announcement from Director of National Intelligence James Clapper on Thursday by wishing him an eventful retirement, featuring prosecution and possible prison time.

The passage of more than three years hasn’t cooled the insistence in certain quarters that Clapper face charges for an admittedly false statement to Congress in March 2013, when he responded, “No, sir" and "not wittingly” to a question about whether the National Security Agency was collecting “any type of data at all” on millions of Americans.

About three months after making that claim, documents leaked by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden revealed the answer was untruthful and that the NSA was in fact collecting in bulk domestic call records, along with various internet communications.

To his critics, Clapper lied under oath, a crime that threatens effective oversight of the executive branch. In an apology letter to lawmakers, however, Clapper said he gave the “clearly erroneous” answer because he “simply didn’t think of” the call-record collection.

Clapper later told MSNBC he considered the question akin to asking, “When did you stop beating your wife?” and so gave the “least untruthful” answer.

Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., who asked the question, rehashed the controversy in a statement Thursday, saying Clapper had presided over a “deception spree regarding mass surveillance” and that Clapper's office had been given the question in advance and then was asked, without success, to correct the record after the hearing.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-11-17/lawmakers-resume-calls-for-james-clapper-perjury-charges


rrb said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...
The President presents a clearest threat to our democratic republic, since the Civil War.

And yes, I have no doubt.
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and as usual, the only thing you're lacking is evidence, drama queen.


Myballs said...

The clearest threat to the country has been barack hussein obama.

Commonsense said...

From Legal Insurrection; The Obama wiretap timeline:

1. June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.

2. July: Russia joke. Wikileaks releases emails from the Democratic National Committee that show an effort to prevent Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) from winning the presidential nomination. In a press conference, Donald Trump refers to Hillary Clinton’s own missing emails, joking: “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing.” That remark becomes the basis for accusations by Clinton and the media that Trump invited further hacking.

3. October: Podesta emails. In October, Wikileaks releases the emails of Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, rolling out batches every day until the election, creating new mini-scandals. The Clinton campaign blames Trump and the Russians.

4. October: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.

5. January 2017: Buzzfeed/CNN dossier. Buzzfeed releases, and CNN reports, a supposed intelligence “dossier” compiled by a foreign former spy. It purports to show continuous contact between Russia and the Trump campaign, and says that the Russians have compromising information about Trump. None of the allegations can be verified and some are proven false. Several media outlets claim that they had been aware of the dossier for months and that it had been circulating in Washington.

6. January: Obama expands NSA sharing. As Michael Walsh later notes, and as the New York Times reports, the outgoing Obama administration “expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.” The new powers, and reduced protections, could make it easier for intelligence on private citizens to be circulated improperly or leaked.

Commonsense said...

7. January: Times report. The New York Times reports, on the eve of Inauguration Day, that several agencies — the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the National Security Agency (NSA) and the Treasury Department are monitoring several associates of the Trump campaign suspected of Russian ties. Other news outlets also report the exisentence of “a multiagency working group to coordinate investigations across the government,” though it is unclear how they found out, since the investigations would have been secret and involved classified information.

8. February: Mike Flynn scandal. Reports emerge that the FBI intercepted a conversation in 2016 between future National Security Adviser Michael Flynn — then a private citizen — and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. The intercept supposedly was part of routine spying on the ambassador, not monitoring of the Trump campaign. The FBI transcripts reportedly show the two discussing Obama’s newly-imposed sanctions on Russia, though Flynn earlier denied discussing them. Sally Yates, whom Trump would later fire as acting Attorney General for insubordination, is involved in the investigation. In the end, Flynn resigns over having misled Vice President Mike Pence (perhaps inadvertently) about the content of the conversation.

9. February: Times claims extensive Russian contacts. The New York Times cites “four current and former American officials” in reporting that the Trump campaign had “repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials. The Trump campaign denies the claims — and the Times admits that there is “no evidence” of coordination between the campaign and the Russians. The White House and some congressional Republicans begin to raise questions about illegal intelligence leaks.

10. March: the Washington Post targets Jeff Sessions. The Washington Post reports that Attorney General Jeff Sessions had contact twice with the Russian ambassador during the campaign — once at a Heritage Foundation event and once at a meeting in Sessions’s Senate office. The Post suggests that the two meetings contradict Sessions’s testimony at his confirmation hearings that he had no contacts with the Russians, though in context (not presented by the Post) it was clear he meant in his capacity as a campaign surrogate, and that he was responding to claims in the “dossier” of ongoing contacts. The New York Times, in covering the story, adds that the Obama White House “rushed to preserve” intelligence related to alleged Russian links with the Trump campaign. By “preserve” it really means “disseminate”: officials spread evidence throughout other government agencies “to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators” and perhaps the media as well.

In summary: the Obama administration sought, and eventually obtained, authorization to eavesdrop on the Trump campaign; continued monitoring the Trump team even when no evidence of wrongdoing was found; then relaxed the NSA rules to allow evidence to be shared widely within the government, virtually ensuring that the information, including the conversations of private citizens, would be leaked to the media.

Roger Amick said...

As usual. Your evidence is based on deeply partisan websites.

John's Hopkins university is not partisan. It is strictly objective without partisan politics. Your site is not above politics.

Roger Amick said...

A quick look at your source is exhibit one, that it is deeply partisan.

This comment below the list of the Trump Tweetstorm.

A couple of words and phrases jumped out at me.

The first is “[j]ust found out” — which suggests some conveyance of information or newly-found understanding.


The diatribe followed.

Roger Amick said...

Your posts is drawn from a diatribe against Obama by Mark Levin, who has zero credibility in the real world.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/03/mark-levin-obama-used-police-state-tactics-undermine-trump/

This is where Trump got his irrational claims. Breitbart News.

KD, Blacks Worse off after 8 Lost Years, fact said...

Truth of the Week, and of the last "8 lost years".


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Myballs said...
The clearest threat to the country has been barack hussein obama. "

Exactly

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Loretta Russo said...

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KD said...

Your posts is drawn from a diatribe against Obama by Mark Levin, who has zero credibility in the real world."


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Loretta Russo said...

Spam by the drunkard

Loretta Russo said...

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KD, Winning Biggly, Obama smoked out said...

The problem with the Liberal , well, short list.

1, Hillary lost
2, Hillary lost
3, Liberals Hate Voters

Loretta Russo said...

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Loretta Russo said...

Drunkard

Loretta Russo said...

Drunk and stupid

Roger Amick said...

Senator Lindsey Graham.

"The president typically does not order surveillance, and there is no evidence that the Obama administration wiretapped Trump’s phones. The FBI, which is part of the Department of Justice, must request a warrant for a wiretap, and the DOJ prides itself on operating independently from the White House. The president ordering surveillance on an American would be a huge violation of that independence.

A FISA Court denied the FBI’s request for a warrant to monitor four members of the Trump campaign team over the summer, according to The Guardian.

Obama spokesman Kevin Lewis addressed Trump’s claims Saturday in a statement, calling them “simply false.”

“As part of that practice, neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen,” Lewis said.

The statement does not appear to preclude the possibility that the Obama administration’s Department of Justice surveilled Trump of its own volition.

It is not clear what prompted Trump’s remarks.

Trump may have been responding to recent leaks revealing that senior Trump campaign officials had contact with the Russian government during the campaign or transition period and later denied doing so, or misrepresented the nature of the meetings. "

opie said...


CH says Why is it apparently perfectly acceptable to make serious allegations of possible criminal espionage

Proving he has lost all credibility and now believes everything but reality!!!!!

opie said...

Commonsense said...
7. January: Times report.

Idiot....do any of those cites say Obama ordered anything??? That's like someone saying you have a college degree!!!!!! This is the beginning of the end.

opie said...

loretta posts 15 times with nothing else but drunk or spam. Go away and service your big man marine......LOL

Loretta Russo said...

Spam by the drunkard

Loretta Russo said...

Crack kills.

Is your daughter still wearing tampon earrings and begging for maxipads?

wphamilton said...

How are we to believe that the Justice Department worked independently of the White House after what went down with the Clinton email investigation? The suggestion that it was hands-off concerning one political candidate, while there was obvious and public interference regarding the other political candidate, is frankly laughable.

Is there any way imaginable for Federal agencies to bug the offices of Presidential Candidates, and that NOT be undertaken with the direction of or at least policy guidance from a high level official? Think about that for a minute, what that would imply. It means intelligence and law enforcement agencies completely out of control, rogue agencies with far too much power operating without oversight. If this claim is true, it's a WORSE scandal than if someone in Obama's cabinet (or a former member) was abusing her position to get the dirt on Trump.

opie said...

Loretta Russo said...
Crack kills.

Is your daughter still wearing tampon earrings and begging for maxi pads?

Are you still aw dumb as a brick??: Brilliant commentary again by loretta the troll. Go away and floss your hubbies teeth with the string...;;;Idiot. You are the trump target....old voters with brain damage...

PNC said...

Trump's accusation is raving bullshit.

Probably enough to justify an Amendment 25, Section 4 declaration of incapacitation if only Trump's cabinet had a shred of integrity between the lot of them.

Roger Amick said...

The anti-American people New York Times.
Donald Trump’s political career is built on a lie about Barack Obama.
That’s the first thing to remember when trying to divine the meaning of Trump’s accusation that he was wiretapped on Obama’s orders: Trump tells a lot of lies. It’s possible that the wiretapping claims are the latest in the pattern, as unconnected from reality as the claim that Obama was born in Africa.
But that scenario is not the only one worth considering. It’s also plausible that Trump’s accusation is an untruth built on some truths. Julian Sanchez of the Cato Institute, writing for the website Just Security, published a useful summary of the situation this weekend.
As Sanchez explains, Trump appears to be basing his claims on a story in Breitbart that inaccurately summarized reporting from Louise Mensch of Heat Street, from the BBC and from The Guardian. Those other accounts reported that “the FBI sought an order from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court authorizing them to monitor transactions between two Russian banks and four persons connected with the Trump campaign,” Sanchez wrote.
If this is true (and there are skeptics), it suggests the F.B.I. was either investigating Trump’s associates or — less explosively — was monitoring the Russian banks and happened to pull in Trump’s associates. Even if they weren’t the targets of the investigation, of course, any communications between Trump campaign officials and the banks raise serious questions, given the Trump camp’s denials about communicating with Russians during the campaign.
No matter what the truth is, the weekend’s developments are yet more reason for a truly independent inquiry.
The most likely explanation for Trump’s tweetstorm is that he’s trying to deflect attention from his Russia problems. But if Trump wants the inquiry to assess whether there was any wrongdoing by federal investigators as well, that’s fine. The crucial step now is an inquiry that isn’t controlled by the Trump administration or Republican leaders in Congress. It needs to be independent and bipartisan.

KD said...

Obama allowed the Hacking.

That is a point that should not be lost.

KD said...

Fit Bitch

"“What, like with a cloth or something? … I don’t know how it works digitally at all.” Hillary Rotten Clinton

That is what almost was in charge of all of the US Secrets.

Wow did we as a Nation dodge a ugly bullet.


Stock Futures are UP , US has gone back to work, Thank YOU Mr. President.


The 8 lost years are being over come, slowly, but it will happen.