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Tuesday, July 11, 2017

Trump Derangement Syndrome: Symptoms include loss of reason, logic, and any grasp of reality...

Have you ever walked into a group of people who are obviously talking about some big "happening" that you are not yet been made aware of. One of those deals were you can pretty much feel the intensity of the situation, and you just want to have someone explain to you exactly what is going on?

Now imagine you are able to pull someone aside from all of the big hubbub, only to be told that what everyone is all up in arms over seems rather mundane and unimportant to you? Either this entire group of people are in overreaction mode, or you must be seriously missing something.

Watching much of our news media, and reading much of our news print, I pretty much have that feeling almost everyday as it pertains to Donald Trump. Only in this case, it's not so much that I feel like I may be missing something, I feel more like they literally see things that don't exist, but feel validated simply because they all see the same things "together".

But as has been pointed out by psychologists... if there are five people in a room, and four of them see a pink elephant floating in the corner, while the fifth cannot... the hallucination is still the pink elephant hovering (not the lack of a floating pink elephant). Might does not make right when it comes to reality.

So as I have been watching and reading about the most recent "Trump/Russia" revelation of the meeting between Trump associates and a Russian lobbyist, I have heard Ms Veselnitskaya described as a Russian agent, a Russian official, and even in one case a Russian spy. For all of the times that Ms Veselnitskaya has been described as having "ties to the Kremlin" not once have I found anyone who can explain what these ties actually are. In an interview this week, Veselnitskaya stated that she has no ties to the Government at all.

Other than a three year stint as a state prosecutor Veselnitskaya has not ever worked for the Russian Government. She works as a private attorney, now concentrating almost entirely on lobbying. She heads a global initiative (based out of Delaware) that is working on overturning an adoption ban between Russia and the United States (which was the stated reason for her meeting with Trump associates).

So there is no evidence at this point that Veselnitskaya has any real ties to the Kremlin. She is not a Russian agent, or a Russian official, and she certainly isn't a Russian spy. She is an international lobbyist. By definition, that means that Donald Trump Jr and gang did not meet with a Russian Agent, a Russian Official, or a Russian Spy. Donald Trump Jr and gang met with an international lobbyist who actually has "no tangible ties" to the Kremlin. That is the reality.

Doesn't matter how many media members and others suffering from TDS want to claim that there is a pink elephant floating in the corner, it still doesn't mean that it exists.


61 comments:

opie said...

Trump Derangement Syndrome: Symptoms include loss of reason, logic, and any grasp of reality...

Describes you to a "T" CH....you have lost all touch of reality as you fawn over Trump and your lack of reason. Seems to me you take his word as gospil as he and his minions lie about every aspect of his administration and I do believe you think russia is a friend. Follow the money and you will be free. LOL

C.H. Truth said...

Opie...

Everytime you type LOL - we all picture this:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0F8SthRpsQ0/WWTRia57qVI/AAAAAAAAJbM/O0U7GQzGu2Y_ESYOYSXmy_eAuYDewqYqACLcBGAs/s320/hqdefault%2B%25284%2529.jpg

caliphate4vr said...

Fatty meltdown in 5...4...3...2

C.H. Truth said...

Opie has no argument... ever.

His entire repertoire of commenting is to start off every thread with an ad hominen attack that never actually address the issues at hand.

Roger has the exact same problem. Neither can field a reasonable logical argument, so they just use logical fallacies like ad hominen, ad nauseam, and to the degree that there is generally any argument, it's simply a wildly illogical post hoc fallacy.

Even WP has fallen into the trap of circular reasoning... or in his case simply restating his assertion in a slightly different form, and demands it's an argument.

opie said...

You should look up the definition of ad hominem.... My comment was directed straight at you and your bias. Now you demaan yourself to pauline tactics of stupid pictures and name calling. How the mighty and brilliant CH has fallen to the gutter rat low and ill defined non logic that is his calling. Your bona fides are what I question and all you do is spin a made up answer. LOL at you CH!!!

Even WP has fallen into the trap of circular reasoning

LOLOLOLOL!!! Wp takes your lunch money with every post, CH. You on the other hand, only believes in your own brilliantly flawed logic. Me thinks you will go down with the HMS Trump as it falters in every way.

C.H. Truth said...

Opie - ad hominem is (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining

Read your first comment here and tell me it doesn't fit the description spot on. Nothing about the actual post, just a general attack on the author.

At least you don't refer to "sucking cocks" like Roger does... but that's a low bar to reach.

opie said...

Or

: appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect

Thanx for playing, CH.

C.H. Truth said...

Sure - Opie... have it your way...

Your attacks are ad hominem for both attacking the author and not relying on intellect.

Thanks for playing.

rrb said...


Doesn't matter how many media members and others suffering from TDS want to claim that there is a pink elephant floating in the corner, it still doesn't mean that it exists.
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ch, i must say that i'm disappointed in you. you have culturally appropriated THE symbol of alcoholism and alcoholics worldwide - the pink elephant.

i think you owe roger an apology.

opie said...

not relying on intellect.


Sure, CH, whatever you say, especially the above.......

opie said...

BTW, CH, my comments to you are what I think of your intellect....brainwashed sycophant is an apt description. Your posts are just manifestations of your fantasy and most not worthy of civil discussions since nothing anyone says ever moves you off your original tenet. All you do is dig in and make up straw man arguments that you believe to be fact.

caliphate4vr said...

you forgot cogent otherwise that's a perfect disjointed fatty post

KD, Trump was Hired over Hillary because of the US Economy Sucked said...

C.H. Truth said...
Opie has no argument... ever.

His entire repertoire of commenting is to start off every thread with an ad hominen attack that never actually address the issues at hand.

Roger has the exact same problem. Neither can field a reasonable logical argument, so they just use logical fallacies like ad hominen, ad nauseam, and to the degree that there is generally any argument, it's simply a wildly illogical post hoc fallacy. "

The Three Liberals Stooges to a "T".

I sure hope the left continues to ignore the winning going on in the us economy.

KD, CA to defaut on Pension Plans for state workers said...

Mr. CHT

I think it very unfair of you to use a pink Elephant on your blog, given our good friend Alky's on going battle with his drinking.

The US Economy continues to get people off of welfare and into self - earned pay checks, the effect is momentous.


Illinois is a freaking economic and financial disaster, thanks to policies of the left. Junk Bond Rating, sums up the entire state.

opie said...

phate4vr said...
you forgot cogent otherwise that's a perfect disjointed fatty post

Just like loretta the stupid....nothing to say. LOL at the loser salesman....How's work???? BWAAAAAAA!!!!

Loretta said...

You forgot LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Fatty

rrb said...

Your posts are just manifestations of your fantasy and most not worthy of civil discussions since nothing anyone says ever moves you off your original tenet.
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then why don't you fuck off and find another blog to pollute?

Roger Amick said...

You better look at the most recent Story the email that were released today by junior.

He knew the Russians were going to help his father become president and that's what his motivation was to go to the meeting. It's clear when you read the emails open your goddamn mind

Roger Amick said...

He knew the lawyer was connected with the Russian government. But he thought it was going to help his father and he proceeded. This may explode into the end of the most incompetent president in the history of this country.

Trumpism as a denial of reality and I'm sorry for my friend he has been afflicted at a level 4 and is incurable.

rrb said...



This may explode into the end of the most incompetent president in the history of this country.
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so THIS is IT, alky?

finally, the smoking gun you clowns have been searching for for a full year?


you remind me of fred sanford -

"this is it!!! this is the big one elizabeth!!! i'm coming to join ya!!!"


rrb said...




MOSCOW — The Russian lawyer who met with Donald Trump Jr. during the presidential campaign denied in an exclusive interview with NBC News that she had any connection to the Kremlin and insisted she met with President Donald Trump’s son in 2016 to discuss sanctions between Russia and the U.S., not to hand over information about Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

“I never had any damaging or sensitive information about Hillary Clinton. It was never my intention to have that,” Natalia Veselnitskaya said.



http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-lawyer-who-met-trump-jr-i-didn-t-have-n781631



KD, Poland free from Russia Energy said...

The total bill was $162,000. I would have been bankrupt " HB

HB I get a very hearty laugh @ U."

Thanks ALky, oh well, you keep telling yourself as other pay your bills for you that *you* are doing well in life.


Loretta said...

Jonathan Turley....

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/07/11/gwu_law_prof_jonathan_turley_on_trump_jr_meeting_a_russia_for_the_love_of_god_this_is_not_treason.html

Loretta said...

"so THIS is IT, alky?"

LOL.

Bless his little heart....

KD, Rat is too funny, gawd alky is stupid said...

This may explode into the end " Alky

Really dude, you have to be pulling our leg. This is like the 57th time you told this blog, this is the "BIG ONE" (h/t rat)

C.H. Truth said...

He knew the lawyer was connected with the Russian government. But he thought it was going to help his father and he proceeded. This may explode into the end of the most incompetent president in the history of this country.

How.... Roger....

Can someone know something that isn't true???


She was not connected to the Kremlin... in spite of your heroes at CNN, the NYT, and Washington Post insisting she was.

I challenge you to find anyone who states specifically what that connection to the Kremlin actually is?

She was a lobbyist with absolutely zero ties to the Russian government.

C.H. Truth said...

P.S.


And no, Roger... quoting journalists who claim she has ties to the Kremlin without explaining what those ties actually are... is not evidence that she has any actual ties to the Kremlin.

rrb said...

How.... Roger....

Can someone know something that isn't true???
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The invincible ignorance fallacy[1] is a deductive fallacy of circularity where the person in question simply refuses to believe the argument, ignoring any evidence given. It is not so much a fallacious tactic in argument as it is a refusal to argue in the proper sense of the word, the method instead being to either make assertions with no consideration of objections or to simply dismiss objections by calling them excuses, conjecture, etc. or saying that they don't prove anything; all without actually demonstrating how the objection fit these terms (see ad lapidem fallacy).


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invincible_ignorance_fallacy


The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.

- Ronald Reagan


there. either way i've got roger covered.



Myballs said...

If we're now defining collusion as any contact, let's get that clinton foundation collusion list that added up to hundreds of millions of dollars.

And throw Podesta's 35 mil while we're at it.

rrb said...

And no, Roger... quoting journalists who claim she has ties to the Kremlin without explaining what those ties actually are... is not evidence that she has any actual ties to the Kremlin.
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well, you just put ralph maddow on the bench.


caliphate4vr said...

THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY JUST ADMITTED IT DOESN’T STAND FOR ANYTHING

The Democrats are trying out new campaign slogans, and all of them should leave progressives deeply worried. The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) recently sent out a series of proposed bumper stickers, asking party members to vote on which they liked best. The four possibilities included: “Resist, Persist,” “She Persisted, We Resisted,” “Make Congress Blue Again,” and, most tellingly of all, “Democrats 2018: I Mean, Have You Seen the Other Guys?” Many of those on the party’s left have long been concerned that contemporary Democrats don’t seem to actually stand for anything beyond “not being Republicans.” The bumper stickers seem to confirm exactly that.

The party’s struggle to offer voters reasons to support Democrats has been going on for some time. Bernie Sanders has said explicitly that he doesn’t know what the party’s political principles actually are these days, and even Vox’s Matthew Yglesias has suggested that the party “could use a substantive agenda.” But party leaders seem to have adopted the position that having a “substantive agenda” would be unduly divisive. That could be seen very clearly in the recent special congressional election in Georgia: Democratic candidate Jon Ossoff, funded by tens of millions of dollars from the national party, carefully refrained from advocating any actual policies. His advertising focused on pointing out the (obvious) fact that he was not Donald Trump, and the closest he came to proposing any legislation was in his plan for “consolidating federal data centers,” a policy so arcane that it would put even the wonkiest Capitol Hill politicos to sleep. The presidential campaign of Hillary Clinton was similar: Clinton’s strategy was entirely focused on issues of character rather than plans for how to make voters’ lives better, to the point where almost nobody can name a single thing Clinton was promising to do as president. (If you don’t believe me, ask your Clinton-supporting friends what her policy proposals were.)

politicalwire.com said...

Sanity can be found here. No pink elephants here. Plenty of trouble for Trumpistas, though.

Trump, Jr said...

I love it.

Loretta said...

No pedophilia to swoon over yet today Pastor James Boswell?

Loretta said...

No pedophilia to swoon over yet today Pastor James Boswell?

KD, How did those Special Elections go for Liberals this year? said...

A question for the Three Liberal Stooges.


You know that since Nov. 9th, 2016 you have attacked every kind of voter in the USA that voted for President Trump. You have attacked the black, Hispanic, white, Asian, you do know that don't you?


KD, Cali must read post said...

Cali that piece is exactly the problem the Dems have, no message, just HATE, I have never in my life seen such white hot hate towards an other American.

I wonder how many of the liberals here would like to be convicted of a criminal offense on the kind of what they call "evidence" against the President?

caliphate4vr said...

i thought it was good

Roger Amick said...

I have dirt on Hillary Clinton: "I love it".

Roger Amick said...

rrb believes the Russian lawyer. He probably thinks that Putin is his type of guy. Poisoning and murder of journalists and dissidents, Seig Heil

Roger Amick said...

This is not what anyone saw coming. Our role as leader of the free world kept in most cases peace across the world. The 20th century two wars world wars in the first half. As the leader of the free world succeeded in keeping the communist movement and the Russians from taking over much of the world. The Cold War was run by Republican and Democrats as president kept the world safe. The collapse of the Soviet empire was not followed by a major war which historically mostly what happens at that time. History will be kind to President George H.W. Bush. President Donald Trump either want does not want to be the leader of the free world, or doesn't know any better.

My view of this is that President Donald Trump is incompetent he does not have enough understanding of the world history of last century or even before, to understand the consequences of those decisions. Every other nation in the G 20 was just taken aghast by the way he acted and what he said. China and Russia are the other two large military and economic powers that will take our spot but they don't same intentions. We kept the trade passages open. Everything we did Russians won't do that neither will the Chinese.

If he gets his way will be relegated to a second-tier power. It would be a complete repudiation of the last 75 years. America would not be great again. He will go down as the worst president in the history of United States.

KD, how did the special elections go for you Alky said...

Alky, you do know we are all laughing @ you.

your team has been attempting "voter nullification" since the morning of Nov 9th, voters are not going to forget your ill spirit and all of those Law Suits that #GrannyofResistance Hillary funded.

All those lawsuits and they all went no where, all those threats on the kids, family and the actual Electoral College Delegates, you lost , lost and now for the special elections, lost all of those too, think your message is spot on, it is not, you can't learn your too dense.

#Resist is not a winning election slogan as pointed out by the very smart and correct Cali.



Loretta said...

LOL.

"Seig Heil"

Drama queen, LOL.

"This is not what anyone saw coming. Our role as leader of the free world kept in most cases peace across the world. The 20th century two wars world wars in the first half....."

Jonathan Chait said...


How Much Collusion Happened?

"Not long ago, it was fashionable for pundits to assert there was no evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia. That line was shaky at the time, and has been quickly blown to smithereens. We have gone from evidence of collusion to proof, with emails establishing the campaign’s clear interest in accepting Moscow’s help to win the election.

“This is the scope of the unresolved question now. How much collusion happened?

“How far the collusion went, and what elements will be provable, is hard to say. But a few larger realities are suggestive. Trump has, and many of his close advisers have, lied repeatedly about their contacts with Russia. Many of his norm-breaking actions — from the refusal to disclose the tax returns that would reveal the extent of his ties to, or dependence upon, Moscow, to his firing of Preet Bharara and James Comey — can be most rationally explained as a desire to cover the story up.”

Roger Amick said...

I'm not going to write a 500 word diatribe.

But I find a fatal thaw in the post. Donald Trump's outright lies and distortions of reality cannot be ignored by someone who is rooted in reality. The prescient of the post is that any and all negative comments on Donald Trump, that are not positive, they are based on false new and a mental disease.

Leaders around the world are well aware of how incompetent this man is. An increasing number of Republicans are falling into Trmpism as our formerly esteemed host we hate Trump swamp.

He is going to take the US out of the leader of the free world, that for has avoided World War in 75 years.

I didn't think that CH would sink into the rrb world. But he has and it's very sad.

KD, educating ALky on the facts, not emotions said...

My view " Alky

Laughing at you, god, you are a simpleton.


You must have missed President Trump's Poland speech, it was exactly what the Free WORLD leader does, he put Putin in his place, showed putin to be a small man in a little country with little power, you know Putin kicked your boys black ass like he was a step and fetch.

You do know that our exports of coal and LG Gas, empowers are friends and cuts the legs out from under our enemies. Russia is a gas station and not much more.

Commonsense said...

“This is the scope of the unresolved question now. How much collusion happened?

“How far the collusion went, and what elements will be provable, is hard to say."


Gee that sounds a lot like there's no evidence of any collusion.

Chait just undermine his whole argument with that admission.

Pretty soon people are going to get tired of the media screaming there's something here when there is nothing at all.

KD, The Left is always losing so often said...

another WIN for the Leader of the Free World, President Trump.

"Look out, OPEC! U.S. to become top 10 oil exporter by 2020"

I told the Three Liberal Stooges of CHT that Opec was making a Yuge mistake giving away market share by reducing out put.

Well President Trump and the hard workers in oil, gas and coal are stepping in, leading and taking market share for the USA, #MAGA.

Loretta said...

No pedophilia to swoon over yet today Pastor James Boswell?

KD, Alky wrong on Marco Economics again said...

This is what stupid leftist really believe, breathtakingly dumb and willfully uninformed:

"China and Russia are the other two large military and economic powers that will take our spot"

China is the 2nd economic power, far back of the USA, however, Russia is a puissant of an economic power. Here are the facts that show how little Alky knows, it happens ever single time any of the Three Liberal Stooges attempt to talk about Marco or Micro Economies and policies, they fail , on an epic scale.


IF you add up China and Russia and 5 of the other leading nations they are still not equal to the President Trump World leader USA.


Roger Amick said...

The Junior Timeline.

June 3-7 The email chain "Goldstone" occurs.
June 7 Trump wins five primaries.
June 9 Goldstone checks into the Golden Tower on Facebook.
June 9 The meeting took place.
June 15 "Guccifer 2.0" releases DNC opposition fie on Trump stolen from the DNC.
July: The FBI begins counterintelligence investigation into Russian attempt to meddle in the election.

June 3 email to junior from Rob Goldsgstone. "The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning in in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father. This is obviously very high level and sensitive information, but is part Russia and it's government support fr Mr Trump. "

June 3 reply: "If it's what you say, I love it".

His father has repeatedly claimed that the Russians had no part of the Trump campaign.

Cue the alky etc etc etc.

Loretta said...

It's not going to work drunkard.

rrb said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...
rrb believes the Russian lawyer.
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i'm still waiting for evidence of a crime, cirrhosis boy.

let me know when you have some.

Roger Amick said...

You are not capable of writing a coherent opinion in disagreement, so you just fall back on insults, despite the request by CH to not rely on insults.

rrb said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...
The Junior Timeline.
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i hear ya, rog. doesn't it just piss ya off that trump jr. released the emails when all he had to do was delete them, a la felonia von pantsuit?

and be careful pal.

now that you're sporting a fresh liver you're prime to have PRESIDENT TRUMP drive you right back onto the sauce.

rrb said...

Roger Amick said...
You are not capable of writing a coherent opinion in disagreement, so you just fall back on insults, despite the request by CH to not rely on insults.
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after the complete gibberish you've been posting the past few weeks, you might just wanna shut the fuck up on the topic of coherent opinions there sport.

got collusion?

got crime?

got fucking ANYTHING???

KD, Run Alky from your topic on the economy spanked you like the baby girl you are said...

Anyone else notice how alky's thoughts are totally random, disjointed and out of context?


I love it when Alky hates to be called alky and it gets so far under his skin when anyone calls him what he is a broke drunk. aka Alky.

Yet for years all alky has done is call others names, it really is funny all those different voices in her/his head. Yes alky has pulled out a few lady voice in his post too, those are so cute, stupid like his mail order bilking tax payers wife of his.

IF my total net worth came down to only $162,ooo I to would be pissed at my life like alky is, he/she thinks he is paying his own bills, not even close.

P:olitico & Sen. Grasley said...

Republicans Increasingly Pessimistic About Health Bill

“Tensions are rising between Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s leadership team and his party’s ideological factions, with a renewed sense of pessimism creeping into the Senate GOP’s efforts to repeal Obamacare,” Politico reports.

“An amendment written by Sens. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Mike Lee (R-UT) is fracturing the conference, with the measure taking center stage at the party’s first caucus lunch in nearly two weeks on Tuesday. Though the proposal to allow the sale of cheap, deregulated insurance plans is championed by the right, disagreements over the drafting of the amendment could delay or torpedo altogether the GOP’s healthcare bill.”

Said Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA): “We should not be surprised if people are irritated with the Republican majority when we have been promising, and we do not deliver. I am very pessimistic.."

Loretta said...

No pedophilia to swoon over yet today Pastor James Boswell?

caliphate4vr said...

June 15 "Guccifer 2.0" releases DNC opposition fie on Trump stolen from the DNC.


which is looking more like an inside job not the Rooskies

wphamilton said...

Even WP has fallen into the trap of circular reasoning... or in his case simply restating his assertion in a slightly different form, and demands it's an argument.

Eh? Not sure what you believe is circular reasoning, but to me it's a straightforward linear decision tree.

We know there was Russian hacking, and probably other espionage. (That's why Trump keeps denying it). We have most of the other elements in place, adding up to a mostly circumstantial case against Trump. If it comes to light that any sort of quid pro quo has been negotiated, involving the illegally obtained information, then a case can be made against Trump for both obstruction and probably a conspiracy charge. If that negotiation is absent, then probably not. What's circular about that?