Monday, September 4, 2017

What DACA and ACA insurance company subsidies have in common...

At first glance, the answer to this question seems to be pretty much nothing. But at closer inspection, the answer (from a technical aspect) is fairly obvious, and fairly important. Of course I am betting that most people do not hear much about what they have in common. Rather your pundits and politicians will argue ad nauseam about the merits of the two issues, without a care in the world about the underlying constitutional facts. But here they are:

  • Neither DACA or the ACA insurance company subsidies are a matter of law, but rather policies enacted outside of Congressional action. DACA was purely an executive order, and not one that was meant to clarify any existing law. The ACA insurance company subsidies were only provided (according to the law) as a temporary thing, to help with start up costs. But President Obama and his administration continued to pay these subsidies to insurers (after the subsidies effectively ended) with money that was legally appropriated elsewhere.  
  • Both DACA and the ACA insurance subsidies have been challenged in court.. While there has been no rulings on DACA (ten states have sued), the similar program DAFA was struck down at the fifth court of appeals. Meanwhile, the ACA insurance company subsidies were also declared by the courts to be illegal, although the judge agreed to let them continue while the case made it's way through the appeals process. That appeal, however, could be dropped by the current Justice Department, effectively leaving the original court case in place, and making those payments illegal.  Correction: Courts have concluded that State Attorney Generals can defend the payments in court - but I think it would be legally daunting to believe a court would order that the President "must" use funds not legally allocated to continue payments. 

So if you add this up... both of these issues involve what many believe to be a overreach of Presidential power by the previous Administration. To some degree there is a very reasonable argument that both actions were (and will eventually be ruled by the courts to be) outside of the jurisdiction of the office of the President.

Moreover, because neither is a matter of actual law, it really is as simple as the next President deciding not to follow the same path. If not Trump, then any one of the future Presidents we might elect would have the same authority to undo these policies. Both DACA and the subsidies to insurance companies would "always" be at the mercy of the office of the Presidency, and could always be undone with the stroke of a pen.

By overturning DACA, and ending the subsidies... President Trump would only be ending the Obama overreach. Both issues should (by all legal means) come under the constitutional authority of Congress. If Congress wants to write a law that replaces DACA, then they should go ahead and do it. If Congress wants to allocate funding for subsidies to insurance companies, then they can write a law that appropriates that funding.

If they do not want to do it, or cannot come up with the means to accomplish it... then guess what: that's on Congress, not on the President. Contrary to popular believe there is no constitutional authority for the President to unsurp Congress with a phone and a pen... just because Congress doesn't do the President's bidding.

Would anyone arguing differently, really approve of Trump using funds appropriated elsewhere to start building his wall?

96 comments:

wphamilton said...

That's the big problem with unilateral action by the President. The next President can simply reverse it, and you're gambling that the adverse political consequences of reversal are too damaging to make it palatable. That's why we always see a flurry of executive orders at the end of the second term, and a flurry of reversals from a new administration of the other party.

Trump COULD start his wall that way, creatively appropriating funds. Maybe an unsigned IOU from Mexico. But he'd be making the same gamble that the next President will defund it, and he'll have bits and pieces of his wall remaining mainly as a monument to his waste and obstinacy. If Trump really wants his wall completed, he needs the cooperation of Congress.

James said...

CBS NEWS
Report: Obama won’t sit idly by if Trump ends DACA

If, as expected, President Trump ends the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, former President Obama will be speaking out. Mr. Trump is expected to announce his decision Tuesday.

Mr. Obama, who implemented DACA in 2012, plans to respond in posts on social media, Politico first reported, citing a source familiar with his plans.

Mr. Obama said as he left office he would comment on Mr. Trump's actions at "certain moments where I think our core values may be at stake." 

Among the issues that would cause Mr. Obama to speak out, he strongly implied, was DACA or, as he put it, "efforts to round up kids who have grown up here, and for all practical purposes are American kids, and send them someplace else, when they love this country."

Mr. Obama's executive order defers deportations for people who came to the U.S. undocumented as children. Almost 800,000 people are in the U.S. now because of it.

Mr. Trump is expected to end the program by not accepting new permits and by allowing existing permits to expire with no opportunity to reapply, CBS News' Major Garrett reported last week, citing two Republican sources on Capitol Hill. Garrett says The message from the White House to Congress is that if lawmakers like DACA, they should write legislation for it, and the White House will consider it, likely favorably.

Playbook said...

Some Want to Add Immigration Reform to the Mix

Playbook: “If Trump ends DACA, which it seems like he will in some form, Republicans on Capitol Hill are already considering a push for immigration reform, according to people we’ve spoken to in recent hours. There is no finalized plan yet about what the GOP will do, but there are already quiet conversations in Republican ranks. There will be tremendous pressure from companies and outside groups to prevent the full repeal of DACA. Congress already has a full plate, and this is just another issue they’ll have to confront.”

Stan Collender said...

Trump’s Legislative Agenda Is In a Complete Shambles

Stan Collender: “Donald Trump last week suffered enormous setbacks on his three highest legislative priorities and Congress wasn’t even in session.”
“Each of these losses took away most or all of the leverage Trump is going to need to get Congress to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, fund his wall and do something on taxes. As a result, Trump’s legislative agenda, which was already in deep trouble before last week, is now in a complete shambles.”

Loretta said...

Nothing but spam from the pedophile.

Amused, James said...

Try to say something intelligent for a change, squaw.
Such a comment adds ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to the discussion,
just as Ch said.

Loretta said...

CH discourages spamming every thread "Pastor" James Boswell.

At least it's not about pedophilia this time.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

First the ACAD us an act of humanity. The children of illegal immigrants should not be penalized for something they had no control over.
Second, the visuals of busloads of young men and women being shipped across the border, involuntarily is simply u- American.
Third, you did not mention that the courts have overturned or delayed his executive orders. The worst part of that was accusing a district judge with prejudice because of his ancestry.
Fourth, the political consequences will be overwhelming. his hard right base is dwarfed by the size of the Hispanic and other ethnic voting blocks who will take out their anger at the ballot box. House and Senate could be in play, much more likely than before.
And Fifth, why are you not commenting on whether this should be done or not? You avoid at any cost of admitting that your hero has made a bad decision. Not ONCE.. Not one coldheartedtruth about Donald J. Trump.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Would anyone arguing differently, really approve of Trump using funds appropriated elsewhere to start building his wall?


No one could think he would be right. Nixon tried to do something similar, and the courts blocked it.

Commonsense said...

First the ACAD us an act of humanity.

Do anyone who drags their kids illegally across the border gets to stay?

Anonymous said...

James IF I have something to say, I use my KD moniker, why do you hide like antifa behind so many different monikers?

CHT has pleaded with to stop spamming this the adult blog side of CHT.

Go to the Alky side, plenty of room there.

Anonymous said...

Hey HB aka million dollar loser. How you doing today?

Anonymous said...

Omg, HB, never disappoints here on how little you know about everything, this time Goverment. Budgets are concepts, other then the money sucking medicare/caid, SS and a few other mandatory spending categories, the rest is "dicreationary".

Loretta said...

What's "ACAD?"

cowardly king obama said...

james is a cad

amongst others

Loretta said...

If Olinsky gets involved, he won't have a leg to stand on over this. The plan was first reported by Politico Sunday evening and now the AP has run with the story. BUT IF TRUE, I think this is a great strategic move on Pres. Trumps part, giving congress 6 months to decide this as it should have done from the beginning. Only Congress can write Immigration laws, what Obama did was unlawful/unconstitutional.

I think Trump was advised to send this to Congress like it was supposed to have been done in the first place. There are pending lawsuits making this even more tricky so instead of taking this on head first like he usually does and getting beat up over that decision (by the media and politicians) he's making Congress put their money where their mouths are so to speak, by forcing them to make a decision on it. He forced them to make a decision on the ACA and look how that turned out. These idiot politicians can't work together to make any decisions when forced after running their mouths for the last 7 years. I think this is a brilliant move on his (Trumps) part, forcing the congress to do their damn jobs knowing they're going to fight each other as usual.

The Gang of 8 is back at it wanting this DACA to stay as it puts millions of dollars in their pockets.

Mind you I could be very wrong and off base in my opinion; BUT, after watching what's been happening between Trump, the Senate and Congress I think I'm pretty correct in my opinion on this matter.

Loretta said...

"james is a cad"

The worst of the worst.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

DACA It makes no difference because of a typo. As usual insults and worthless anger and worthless comments.

C.H. Truth said...

Roger - this has nothing to do with whether or not DACA is good or bad policy.

The reality is that it was not within the scope of what a President is allowed to do via an executive order. The courts prevented the "less popular" DAHA from being implemented via executive order... and there is little doubt that the courts would do the same to DACA, now that states have brought suit.

Trump reversing the EO at this point, brings close to the uncertainty of a long court battle (which ultimately was going to end badly for DACA supporters).

What it does is put pressure on Congress to do something within the next six months... something they would have had to do anyways (when the courts overturned it).

I am sure something will be worked out that will allow those who are living here as adults to stay. I doubt that you will see 800,000 people shipped across the border. But if it happens, make no mistake... I blame it on Congress (not the President). Just as I would not blame the courts for overturning it.

Sometimes the rule of law, especially as it pertains to constitutional authority... is simply a bigger long term concern, than whatever policy it was that is effected.


Bottom Line: Obama never should have provided people with the idea that he had authority to do this and make it stick. His EO was never going to be around long term. Period.

So look to congress.

Anonymous said...

What has become so very clear is how liberals fight for lawlessness.

Anonymous said...

Which city had more deaths over the 7 days Houston or obama's home town.
Well by far ShitCago .

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

"I blame it on Congress (not the President). Just as I would not blame the courts for overturning it."

Of course.

But I have not seen a court challenge for the DADC, but??

But if it has or would survive a court challenge, the only reason it wasn't going to be around is the impulsive, President. He is unable to act contrary to the interest of his base.

The polls reflect that. The Fox news poll, yes Fox News, says he is dividing the country. This is going to hurt the Republicans at many levels.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I think it is good policy. We should not penalize the children of illegal immigrants.

Anonymous said...

You are so stupid.

C.H. Truth said...

Roger -

Believe it or not... not everything in this world revolves around the President. Sometimes there are principals that are more important than Donald Trump, Barack Obama, or any one President.

At the end of the day, that is the part of all of this that really bothers you. Your life revolves around Donald Trump, and it simply tortures you to see that other people (such as myself) can make arguments that have nothing to do with him.

You believe that "EVERYTHING" must be debated with at least 90% the attention on Donald Trump. Because he completely owns your psyche. So much so, that you cannot even distinguish between support and indifference. Because of your hatred, and inability to see past it... those two concepts are virtually the same in your world. In fact, anyone who doesn't "hate" as much as you do... is instantly deemed a whole list of things (Trump apologist, White Supremacist, bigot, etc..)


Btw... I hate to break it to you, ace... but reread this post. If you truly are capable of intelligent thought, you would recognize that this post was to lesser degree Obama and to a greater degree his overreach (or Presidential overreach in general). Trump's part in all of this is irrelevant as a matter of fundamental reality.

But you cannot even fathom to see it that way... everything in your world is seen through the prism of Trump.

Anonymous said...

Only Congress can write Immigration laws, what Obama did was unlawful/unconstitutional.
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precisely. but as with all things liberals insist upon, the constitution is completely disposable.

my governor (who had a helluva time passing the NYS bar exam) and his diot AG (who mueller is now relying upon to squeeze manafort to make his piss poor case) have decided that they will sue the trump administration for overturning the DACA exec order.

un-fucking-believable. suing to retain something which is blatantly and undeniably unconstitutional.

what has the liberals all wee-wee'd up is the potential loss of a critical voting bloc. as with all minorities, liberals don't give a shit about those affected by this ruling. but their VOTES, oh my... those they give many, many shits about.

Anonymous said...

First the ACAD us an act of humanity.
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vote buying it is. humanity it ain't.


"Second, the visuals of busloads of young men and women being shipped across the border, involuntarily is simply u- American."

LOL. un-american. to uphold our laws, protect our borders, maintain our sovereignty, and remove those who break the law. you forget that trump was elected largely on bouncing the illegals the hell out of here.


"Third, you did not mention that the courts have overturned or delayed his executive orders. The worst part of that was accusing a district judge with prejudice because of his ancestry. "

i'm not sure what this even means. who's exec orders? and that mexican judge? drop it already. it was bullshit then and irrelevant now.


"Fourth, the political consequences will be overwhelming. his hard right base is dwarfed by the size of the Hispanic and other ethnic voting blocks who will take out their anger at the ballot box."

LOL. says you. captain fucking LANDSLIDE. nice job insulting the thousands, perhaps millions of hispanics who came to our country via LEGAL means and established channels. i have news for you alky, many hispanics are conservative. they obey the law, worship regularly (predominantly catholic), work their ass off, and have little use for illegal border jumpers. you insult them all when you paint them with the hispanic special interest group brush.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

" I hate to break it to you, ace... but reread this post. If you truly are capable of intelligent thought, you would recognize that this post was to lesser degree Obama and to a greater degree his overreach (or Presidential overreach in general). Trump's part in all of this is irrelevant as a matter of fundamental reality. "

You assumed that I didn't understand that you were critical of President Barack Obama's over reach with the DACA. I surely did see that. If you have the intelligence to comprehend my comments, we would not be having this conversation.

I don't think that President Obama over-reached with the DACA. It has not been challenged in the courts. Contrast to several of your President Trump's EO have been suspended by the courts. That also happened to some of Obama's EO's. But you have again, have avoided being critical of Trump.

But I am not going to continue with this. I would be wasting my time. Trumpism© is incurable.�� And yes, I have a sense of humor.

Anonymous said...

What it does is put pressure on Congress to do something within the next six months... something they would have had to do anyways (when the courts overturned it).
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precisely. liberals are hyperventilating over nothing regarding DACA. this goes to congress where the pro-amnesty/open borders gang of 8 get codify DACA into law. the chamber of commerce gets to write and approve the legislation, millions of american workers get screwed, but paul ryan gets to keep his landscaper and housekeeper.

relax, alky. this all plays out in your favor. just be patient as the GOP colludes with democrats to fuck over law abiding citizens.

Anonymous said...

I don't think that President Obama over-reached with the DACA. It has not been challenged in the courts.
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my god, you are an imbecile. just because the courts have not been presented with the case doesn't make it constitutional.



"Contrast to several of your President Trump's EO have been suspended by the courts."

oh, you mean his travel bans? constitutional to the letter of the law and well within his presidential authority, each and every one. try again, genius.

"The Supreme Court on Wednesday brokered a new compromise over President Trump’s travel ban, saying the government for now may enforce tight restrictions on refugees but also must make it easier for people from six mostly Muslim countries to enter the United States."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-court-allows-trump-travel-ban-enforcement-but-says-it-must-allow-broader-exemptions-for-relatives/2017/07/19/6945e01e-6bf8-11e7-96ab-5f38140b38cc_story.html?utm_term=.ca868942adab



stop lying alky. it's unbecoming, even for a loser like you.




Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I just had to post this! racist rodent bastard will go into an alcohol induced angry rage!

Don't know the author, but liked the retell, though am not a historian. Any corrections welcome.

"Around this time last year, President Obama visited flooded areas of Louisiana. At the time of his visit, 13 deaths had already occurred; 7 trillion gallons of rain had already dropped; 24 inches of rainfall had already been measured; $15 billion in damages had already been estimated.

Evangelicals lambasted President Obama for not visiting sooner.

Yesterday, Trump visited a dry airport near the flooded areas of Texas. At the time of his visit, 16 deaths had already occurred; 11 trillion gallons of rain had already dropped; 49 inches of rainfall had already been measured; $50 billion in damages had already been estimated.

Trump didn’t hug a neck, kiss a cheek, wipe a tear. He didn’t encounter water falling from the sky or puddling upon the earth. He didn’t mention the loss of a police officer or the drowning of a family of six.

And evangelicals offered no criticism of Trump.

Because they are hypocrites.

Because they treated President Obama in the manner we would have expected racists to treat him.

In 2012, in anticipation of President Obama’s quick response to Hurricane Sandy, Trump tweeted:

“Not only giving out money, but Obama will be seen today standing in water and rain like he is a real President --- don't fall for it.” ~ October 30, 2012

“Obama is now standing in a puddle acting like a President--give me a break.” ~ October 31, 2012

Damned if he got to New Jersey too fast and actually got his feet wet; damned if he waited until water receded in Louisiana, as the governor asked him to do.

Same thing happened with regard to Libya after the “seeds of democracy” planted by Bush blossomed into harvest on President Obama’s watch.

Evangelicals excoriated President Obama for not immediately jumping in to protect the people of Libya from slaughter by Gaddafi. After getting other countries to go first with their troops and money, President Obama led from behind with air strikes. Then evangelicals eviscerated President Obama for getting involved in Libya.

Damned if he didn’t; damned if he did.

When Syria blossomed, President Obama asked congress to pass a resolution telling him what action they wanted him to take.

They refused.

Because once their position was recorded by vote, they couldn’t change their position to the opposite of President Obama’s position.

They wanted to be able to damn him if he went east; damn him if he went west.

When BP’s Deepwater Horizon leaked oil into the gulf in 2010, conservatives castigated President Obama for not doing enough, naming the spill, “Obama’s Katrina.”

When President Obama had a meeting with the head of BP and impressed upon him the wisdom of paying a $20 billion dollar fine, House Republican Joe Barton openly apologized to the CEO for the “shakedown” of BP by President Obama and Rand Paul said President Obama’s criticism of the foreign company was “un-American.”

Damned if he didn’t do enough; dammed if he did too much.

Anonymous said...



lindsay graham-nesty is on the case!:




Sen. Lindsey Graham said Monday he would support legislation protecting beneficiaries of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program if President Trump gives lawmakers a window for finding a legislative option before canceling the program, which he's expected to announce Tuesday.

"If President Trump chooses to cancel the DACA program and give Congress six months to find a legislative solution, I will be supportive of such a position," Graham said in a statement. "I have always believed DACA was a presidential overreach. However, I equally understand the plight of the Dream Act kids who — for all practical purposes — know no other country than America."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/lindsey-graham-we-will-work-to-find-legislative-daca-fix/article/2633341



peel your fat asses off the fainting couches, liberals. dickhead bin-al turbin and graham-nesty have already introduced legislation to legalize 800,000 law-breaking DACA criminals.



Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

And now evangelicals have the unmitigated gall and ungodly audacity to claim current criticism of Trump is “unprecedented” and the worst any previous president has had to endure.

They’ve gone from acting ugly to claiming victimhood.

From holy haters to hypocritical whiners.

When President Obama was asked about Syria’s chemical weapons, he said that was a red line in the sand – if Bashar used chemical weapons on his people, there will be "consequences.”

And there were.

After the incident was confirmed, President Obama forced Bashar to allow international teams to come in and ship out all of Syria’s chemical weapons.

President Obama followed through.

On August 8, Trump said, “North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen.”

The very next day, Kim Jong-un threatened the United States again, threatening to launch four missiles into Guam.

Trump did not meet the threat with “fire and fury.”

Yesterday, Jong-un launched a missile over Japan; Trump said the action was “threatening.”

Trump did not meet the threat with fire and fury.

In case Trump had failed to understand Jong-un was blatantly threatening the United States, last night Jong-un said the launch over Japan was a “meaningful prelude” to a strike to contain the American territory of Guam.

Trump did not meet the threat with fire and fury.

President Obama followed through on his “consequences” for Bashar crossing the red line.

Racist evangelicals, to this day, falsely say he didn’t.

Trump has not followed through on his “fire and fury” for Kim Jong-un making one more threat, even though Jong-un has humiliated Trump by slapping him in the face with three threats since.

And hypocritical evangelicals don’t care.

Because their criticisms were never about substance.

They were always about race."

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

peel your fat asses off the fainting couches, liberals. dickhead bin-al turbin and graham-nesty have already introduced legislation to legalize 800,000 law-breaking DACA criminals.

In this case, it's always been about race. "Let them rot"

Anonymous said...

Don't know the author
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we know for sure it ain't you alky. but we DO know you scraped it off facebook.

without the ability to copy/paste you fail to exist around here. LOL. hang in there, cupcake. the GOP has already begun to deliver to you the DACA outcome you desire.



Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The President is probably going to try and defer to congress with a six-month delay.

Anonymous said...

In this case, it's always been about race.
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show us the part where i referenced race alky. can you?

we'll wait.


Anonymous said...

Roger Amick said...
The President is probably going to try and defer to congress with a six-month delay.
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you don't say?


LOL.

imbecile.

Anonymous said...

Don't know the author
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i do:


Damned if he did... Truth about Trump & the dark, evangelical hypocrisy thrust upon Pres. Obama

Aug 31, 2017 7:27pm EDT by Leslie Salzillo

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/31/1695100/--Damned-if-he-did-Proof-of-Trump-the-so-called-evangelical-racist-hypocrisy-against-Obama?detail=emaildkre




geezus alky. you're as sharp as a fucking billiard ball today.



Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

https://m.facebook.com/craig.hardegree/posts/10155000974703284?pnref=story

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

800,000 law-breaking DACA criminals.

Is race and ethnicity based hatred.

C.H. Truth said...

I don't think that President Obama over-reached with the DACA. It has not been challenged in the courts. Contrast to several of your President Trump's EO have been suspended by the courts. That also happened to some of Obama's EO's. But you have again, have avoided being critical of Trump.

But I am not going to continue with this. I would be wasting my time. Trumpism© is incurable.


Proof in point, Roger...

You are actually advocating that (in your mind) it's wrong to write a post about any particular subject... without somehow bringing criticism of Trump into it?

- So either I am right here, Roger... and there are subjects in this world that do not require anything to be written about Trump.

- Or you are right, and no subject can possibly exist without some degree of criticism of Trump.

One of those realities is an obsession regarding Trump, while the other is not. Take your time, Roger... and get back to us on this one.

Loretta said...

LOL. More projecting by the drunkard.

"I just had to post this! racist rodent bastard will go into an alcohol induced angry rage!"

The only rage seems to come from the drunkard.

" So I know about tragedy and I've been through it and that's what matters now you think I hate the Trump no I think he's a Despicable piece of s*** but do I hate him now that's your your accusation as usual is full of s***. He's dangerous frightening unqualified and all that good s*** but scared does he scared yes hate no f*** no I don't hate him now shut the f****** out it I'm sick and tired of your f****** b******* God damn it you're better than that and I'll shut the f****** on that I am not a hater. But you worship Donald J Trump and I thought you were agnostic. Not anymore you praise the you praise the president no matter what he says and does that's what you do so you hate me that's fine but you're full of s*** my friends and relatives love me because I'm a good man now that's enough of that s*** I got things to do and a lot more important than arguing with a f****** idiot who loves the president more than the world itself"

LMAO.

commie said...

without somehow bringing criticism of Trump into it?

Which to those with a functioning mind thinks he deserves it. With the only concrete accomplishment being a judge, they had to change the rules to get done......Is the country better off after months of trump or worse???? I know my answer.....

Commonsense said...

"Around this time last year, President Obama visited flooded areas of Louisiana."

It was after and only after Presidential Candidate Donald J. Trump flew in with his own relief supplies.

And it was after and only after legitimate criticism of Obama for not interrupting his exclusive Martha's Vineyard vacation to deal with the flood.

Anonymous said...

Roger Amick said...
800,000 law-breaking DACA criminals.

Is race and ethnicity based hatred.
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how so, alky?

we have a number - 800,000

we have an act - law breaking

we have a primary status - DACA.

we have a secondary status - criminal (status achieved by virtue of breaking the law).


no mention of race anywhere in there, alky.

here's the thing alky - if you're here illegally, i want your ass gone. zero fucks given as to your country of origin, your race, ethnicity, skin color, hair style, language spoken or even if you can dance the old soft shoe.

we have a process by which one can enter our country, apply for citizenship, and if the criteria is met, become a US citizen. in fact, each 4th of july we will often hold a public swearing in ceremony in various communities around the country simply to celebrate the process and to welcome new citizens.

so, if you happen to be one of those folks who feel that the process in place is beneath you, is too much of a hassle, or you're simply too fucking lazy to go through it, then i don't want you here. ever. get the fuck out and stay out. we're a government of laws, not men. and if by your very first act you would violate those laws, i have no use for you. stay in your third world shithole.


Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

President Trump had the most difficult August in history of the county. Now the real fun begins.

1:The return of congress and the debt ceiling.
2: Korea and the possibility of war.
3: He is inclined to reverse the free trade agreement with South Korea. Most of his advisors are opposed to that.
He's threatened to close the government unless they fund his IMO race based wall. The wall is there too make his base happy. Is very apparent here that that's the way it working. But that is not working with the majority of The Americans. Over 60% disagree with it. Even in the Fox News poll.
4: Tax reform. He's been calling on congress to act. He has not been able to provide any details. His dislike of details was evident.
North Korea is the premiere issue. We are waving the flag of War but it's not complete it fact it's thank goodness it's more of an attempt to intimidate. But they're not going to be successful. We may end up following basically the Obama containment plan. We have to run War but we know the consequences would be catastrophic. Seoul South Korea would be destroyed at the cost of Millions.

The one thing that bothers me the most is the president desire to satisfy his base, beyond any other reason. He seems to be unable to comprehend that the possibility that the president could unite behind him if and it's a big if if he can figure out a way two listen to the advice of others and put together comprehensive and and intelligent path to avoid war.

I hope he doesn't follow his impulsive behavior or we could end up paying the price in lives and treasure it's beyond comprehension at this time.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Sure it's racist and ethnicity issues. The vast majority of the 800,000 brought here to the United States when they were children. They did not come here with the intent of violating the law. With few exceptions they are Americans in almost every way we all are. We are a nation of immigrants except for the Native American population. Now some people want to throw out 800,000 young men and women and they have no way of knowing if there's any place for them to stay or family to support them. It is just cruel and unusual punishment for crimes that were not committed with any intent. I am not buying this as an excuse because they're here illegally because they'd had no part in the decision to come to this country. I'm sorry but the third world you live in was defeated in World War II. You would have been a Nazi in Germany with Beyond any doubt. Sieg heil would have been your motto.

The visuals will be overwhelming. Some people will compare it to the trainloads of Jews going to the extermination camps. You would have been thrilled the. And if they do that in this next year you would be cheering it on just like they did in 1941. You are no different you've proven that Time After Time After Time After Time After Time After Time After Time and we all know it every single one of us.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Our host is always asking me questions. One that has not been responded to. I responded today but he probably will not like it but that's the way it goes.

My question is here we go. Why did Vladimir Putin and the Russian government prefer Donald J Trump over Hillary Clinton?

In my not-so-humble opinion. I believe that mr. Putin knew he could manipulate and outmaneuver Donald J Trump in foreign affairs. So far to this point he's been pretty damn successful. Because from one thing most of our allies have a deep distrust of President Putin, oops Donald J Trump.

Anonymous said...




geezus alky,

when cornered you resort to ad hominem, strawman, and hyperbolic arguments with no basis in fact.

you keep telling us how intelligent you are with your superior IQ, but you keep acting like the middle school drama queen.

"trainloads of jews"

really???

that you would use such a horrific event in an attempt to bolster your position illustrates just what a despicable piece of shit you really are.

congratulations, asshole. you have reduced yourself to nothing more than a waste of a perfectly good donor liver. the fact that someone had to die so that you may live is a fucking travesty on steroids.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Your obsession with my liver transplant is f****** hilarious.

Well sorry Jimmy I have good news that you won't like everything is proceeding perfectly. I have no rejection issues, none! I have no other problems at this time not one. I have three months and three days since the transplant so I'm entering into the second phase of recovery. Three months from now I should be completely off of multiple multiple multiple drug dosage which is kind of funny and put on the anti-rejection drugs and some supplementary vitamins and minerals is necessary. And unlike you I will honor the donor by helping other people and honoring her memory and her marvelous Gift of Life.

I am living proof that organ donors save lives. My life is worth of living and your hate-filled world is pathetic and disgusting.

You should follow the advice of the host and limit yourselves to comment on the topic not on the personalities or wish bad health on any other people on the blog. I have been blessed I have no doubt and I'm not letting it go on unthanked.

As someone who is going through to near-death experiences it makes you look at the world from a different perspective. I've been accused with hatred and I do not hate Donald Trump he scares me because I'm a patriot and I think he's a danger to our country. That's my opinion it's not hatred. The hatred is the one that wants to toss all the beaners all over the Border and if they don't go over the Border shoot them and let them rot in the Sun men women and children as you stated multiple times in the past. Now that is worth it hate and despise of a worthless piece of s***. I'm done insulting cuz it's too f****** easy you are such a jackass completely incomprehensible and Beyond Redemption.

commie said...


And it was after and only after legitimate criticism of Obama for not interrupting his exclusive Martha's Vineyard vacation to deal with the flood.

Are presidents really ever on vacation as you said about donnieS NJ sojourn?????

FWIW, when busch came to floriduh to hand out water....all he did was to create more chaos for the victims he shook hands with totally BS!

That's why Obama won't break off his vacation in Martha's Vineyard — or stop playing golf on said vacation — to travel to Louisiana. Because he believes he can monitor the situation as well — or better — from where he is. And that the sole reason to go to Louisiana is for the theatrical piece of politics, a piece that he not only rejects but detests.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/18/heres-why-president-obama-isnt-stopping-his-vacation-to-visit-the-louisiana-flooding/?utm_term=.e0f521ce6151

Loretta said...

"You should follow the advice of the host and limit yourselves to comment on the topic not on the personalities or wish bad health on any other people on the blog.

LOL

"It's all you've got because you don't have a working brain shut the f****** you stupid b**** or go to hell the sooner the better the world will be better off without you."

C.H. Truth said...

Roger...

So you want to change the subject back to Trump and Russia, huh?

Go figure...

Anonymous said...



noting the fact that you're a waste of a perfectly good donor liver does not qualify as an obsession, alky.

having said that, i will note your always incoherent anger issues:

"Now that is worth it hate and despise of a worthless piece of s***. I'm done insulting cuz it's too f****** easy you are such a jackass completely incomprehensible and Beyond Redemption."

C.H. Truth said...

Here is a question for you Roger...

Since you brought it up.

How many Executive Orders has Trump signed. How many have been "overturned" by the court?

Reminder, the travel ban is currently "in effect" and therefor was not actually "blocked" by the court (regardless of how many district Judges decided to try).

I can think of one ruling (that the Administration has appealed - but will probably lose), and one other challenge that is currently making it's way through the courts.

Anonymous said...

My question is here we go. Why did Vladimir Putin and the Russian government prefer Donald J Trump over Hillary Clinton?
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one's IQ needs to sink to moron status to believe this, genius.

ol' vlad had his way with 0linsky, doing donuts on the white house lawn with regularity. and the entire world knew that felonia von pantsuit and her foreign policy "chops" was just an extension of 0linsky and his red line.

so actually, the fundamental premise of your question requires a "willing suspension of disbelief" from the get go.

desperate to change the subject, eh alky?

you should be.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Trump's world:

A former waiter, born in El Salvador, now writes code for a U.S. Navy contractor. A young man from South Korea is using the money he makes selling pastries to help pay for community college. And a psychology major from Ecuador, who feared she’d be stuck babysitting all her life, now plans to earn a doctorate and move to New York.

They are among nearly 800,000 undocumented immigrants whose lives were transformed by Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, an Obama-era federal program that President Trump appears ready to phase out.

Trump — who has criticized the program but expressed admiration for the “dreamers” who benefit from it — plans to announce Tuesday that his administration will stop renewing DACA work permits starting in six months, those briefed on the situation say. The six-month delay is aimed at getting Congress to pass legislation that would allow the dreamers to remain in the country legally, these officials said; they cautioned that the president could change his mind at the last ­minute.
DACA has opened unprecedented doors for young people who arrived here illegally as children or overstayed their visas. It has become, for much of the nation, a new embodiment of the American Dream.

The initiative shielded young immigrants from deportation and allowed them to get two-year, renewable work permits and driver’s licenses and to more easily afford college. It meant opportunities beyond low-wage jobs where no official paperwork is filed, and a chance to climb the ladder and enter the spotlight at work as well as school.

“Taking that away is taking everything from us,” said Renata Aldaz, who is studying psychology at George Mason University and joined other DACA recipients last week for a meeting with Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), former running mate to Hillary Clinton, who had vowed to preserve DACA had she been elected president.

Without DACA, “I personally will not be able to attend college,” Aldaz, who came to this country when she was 3, told Kaine. “I will lose my job. I will lose having to support my family.”

Politico

C.H. Truth said...

Jews on their way to exterminatino camps, huh?

I guess someone has a pretty shitty view of what the country of Mexico is like, huh? Having to go live in Mexico is like living in a concentration/extermination camp? Nice...

So seriously Roger...

I would pressure your House Reps and Senators to toss aside their partisanship for the sake of all those poor souls who are on their way to a horrible death like experience of living in Mexico...

If you care even 10% of what you pretend to... then you would agree that comprehensive immigration reform (that gives and takes) should be expedited within the next 6 months.

And yes Roger... that probably means agreeing to fund "the wall" and other things that a minority Party must agree to, in order to get their own priorities passed.

But if you "truly" cared about the Dreamers, then a couple of billion dollars for a wall wouldn't be a big deal. You could just swallow your pride for the sake of keeping those innocent dreamers away from the extermination camp like country of Mexico.

C.H. Truth said...

Roger Amick said...
Trump's world:


Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump...

I can picture Roger, some day soon... sitting in a wheelchair, unable to hardly move... drooling as he repeats "Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.." over and over and over...

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

He's only been in office for seven months.

Historically, he's issued more than most.

The religious beliefs blocks are probably in danger. Despite the fact that, none immigrants doesn't have constitutional rights.

Loretta said...

Spam by the drunkard

C.H. Truth said...

Roger - your claim was that I was ignoring all of the executive orders that Trump has issued that have been overturned by the courts...

I am asking you what you meant by that? Which orders have been overturned by the courts?

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Sorry my friend I'm not headed for the wheelchair not at all. I return to the gym last week and I will continue to workout. And I'm 3 or 4 months I can get back into the pool routine and do the right things as I usually do. This is a political blog and yes I have a lot of interest in public affairs and in this failure of a president that you seem to adore. Well that's the way you are. But you still have not responded to my question have you sir?

My question is here we go.

Why did Vladimir Putin and the Russian government prefer Donald J Trump over Hillary Clinton?

Loretta said...

"I can picture Roger, some day soon.."

The future is now.

Loretta said...

Obama said for YEARS that a President does not have the authority to enact DACA...

Then he did it anyway...

C.H. Truth said...

Why did Vladimir Putin and the Russian government prefer Donald J Trump over Hillary Clinton?

Maybe he just gets a kick out of watching liberals stomp their feet, hold their breath, and make complete asses of themselves because they lost.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...



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Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You were playing dodgeball. Answer the question Scott I dare you. Can you do that? I doubt it. They are out a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot of reasons why Clinton lost but that makes no difference to me the question is simple why did Vladimir Putin want Donald J Trump to win?

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

He will not answer the question it's that simple. It would make him very uncomfortable to admit the truth and the truth is no longer the topic of the blog it's not. It's it's pretty sad.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The immigration ruling has the one that's under under consideration with the courts and it'll probably get stopped. Even the conservative court is not going to like the basic underlying racist an ugly rationale. Trump's racist comments on the judicial branch the judge in the 9th District was disgusting. But of course never again never never never never never do you criticize anything he does ever. The cold hearted truth is dead.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Why did Vladimir Putin and the Russian government prefer Donald J Trump over Hillary Clinton?

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Why did Vladimir Putin and the Russian government prefer Donald J Trump over Hillary Clinton?

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Just one more time just to have just for the hell of it.

Why did Vladimir Putin and the Russian government prefer Donald J Trump over Hillary Clinton?

I'll bet a $100 donation to Red Cross Harvey recovery. He will not answer the question. Duck and Cover quack quack quack. You're not a very good goalie.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I was not alone in predicting it a victory for Clinton. Most of the polls said that they accept at the very end some of them said that Clinton would pull away. She did not because I think she failed to understand that the three critical States Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Donald Trump spent his last few dollars on that and it worked. It is only a few thousand votes like a t 80,000 or something like that the chains the difference on it also on those three states is a small number of votes. But she lost and that's why it works but here we are stuck with the worst president in history of the f****** planet

commie said...

Loretta posted

working brain shut the f****** you stupid b**** or go to hell the sooner

Awesome!!!!!

C.H. Truth said...

Why did Vladimir Putin and the Russian government prefer Donald J Trump over Hillary Clinton?

I don't care, Roger. Not in the slightest.

Trump is President. Clinton is not. Putin at this point is irrelevant.

Get the fuck over it.

Move on to Sept of 2017.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I have to turn off the damn microphone I'm laughing at myself I'll have to get up and do some stuff and that's life. I have some exercise to do take my medications as always my lovely wife the nurse keep make sure I take everyone like I should. And despite what the k-pot says she is not a mail order bride. I have said this before. She came to the United States in 1970 and did not speak a word of English. She could read it a little bit cuz she is in Panama. But in 1975 she graduated with her Bachelor's degree in nursing. BSN, with a 3.8 GPA.

Loretta said...

306 Pinnacle Pl
Blairsville,Georgia

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The reply of a coward. This is supposedly the cold hearted truth right right isn't that right Scott? And this is all you have to say to a simple question question? Question question question? Cowardice

I don't care, Roger. Not in the slightest.

Trump is President. Clinton is not. Putin at this point is irrelevant.

Get the fuck over it.

C.H. Truth said...

The immigration ruling has the one that's under under consideration with the courts and it'll probably get stopped

Huh? Not sure what this sentence even means. "Immigration ruling" - is that a confused attempt at describing the Travel Ban executive order? Or what?

Also, you stated that I was ignoring numerous Trump executive orders that have been blocked by the courts?

Certainly numerous orders is not a valid description of "one" order that the USSC ruled could take effect?

C.H. Truth said...

Roger -

How long are you going to obsess over Russia?

I mean, it's fine if that's what occupies your psyche. You can go ahead and let Russia obsession control your every thought and action...

But you have to accept the fact that other people do not share your obsession with it. It's just flat out DUMB to believe everyone else cares about what you care about... and incredibly selfish to demand everyone else continue to rehash the same crap ad nauseam... just because "YOU" can't let it go.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

From earlier today, on September 2017.

President Trump had the most difficult August in history of the county. Now the real fun begins.

1:The return of congress and the debt ceiling.

2: Korea and the possibility of war.

3: He is inclined to reverse the free trade agreement with South Korea. Most of his advisors are opposed to that.
He's threatened to close the government unless they fund his IMO race based wall. The wall is there too make his base happy. Is very apparent here that that's the way it working. But that is not working with the majority of The Americans. Over 60% disagree with it. Even in the Fox News poll.

4: Tax reform. He's been calling on congress to act. He has not been able to provide any details. His dislike of details was evident.

North Korea is the premiere issue. We are waving the flag of War but it's not complete it fact it's thank goodness it's more of an attempt to intimidate. But they're not going to be successful. We may end up following basically the Obama containment plan. War is unlikely, but we know the consequences would be catastrophic. Seoul South Korea would be destroyed at the cost of Millions.

The one thing that bothers me the most is the President and his desire to satisfy his base, beyond any other reason.

He seems to be unable to comprehend that the possibility that the president could unite behind him if and it's a big if if he can figure out a way two listen to the advice of others and put together comprehensive and and intelligent path to avoid war.

I hope he doesn't follow his impulsive behavior or we could end up paying the price in lives and treasure it's beyond comprehension at this time.

He tweeted his DACA pass to the divided Republican party in the Congress.

September 2017

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Duck and Cover Duck and Cover duck and cover band cover repeat a thousand times. It's a serious question why did the Russian government and Latimer Putin prefer Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton there had to be a reason for it. My view is that he thinks that he can out-think and has proven to do some most of the time Donald J Trump. Hillary Clinton was very much into detail and he could not stand her it's not just personal dislike. There's a reason for that he has the Russian best best interest in his mind not politics in the United States he thinks that the in the best interest of Russia that Donald J Trump would win the election that is a reason that should make you wonder what the hell is going on with you avoid it like the plague. Duck and Cover Duck and Cover Duck and Cover September 2017 it's posted get on it. But you're still ducking this simple question and I'm scoring a goal on every shot you need to get a better goalie.

Loretta said...

Big deal.

C.H. Truth said...

But you're still ducking this simple question and I'm scoring a goal on every shot you need to get a better goalie.

There is no goalie, Roger... because nobody want's to partake in your silly game. You are THE ONLY ONE PLAYING...

So have at it.

I only ask you "one small favor".

Instead of coming to a thread about a completely different subject and interjecting your irrelevant (to the subject) comments. Go start a new thread on your legacy blog about Trump, Russia, and the Election. Everyone interested in that subject can come over and play with you there.

caliphate4vr said...

Are we back to Russia?

Goddamn keep beating that dead horse

commie said...

Blogger Loretta said...
306 Pinnacle Pl
Blairsville,Georgia

Dayum your life really sucks, loretta. Living in your head rent free is a stitch....LOL

Loretta said...

"Are we back to Russia?"

Nope, just the drunkard and Dennis Victor Diatlovich.

commie said...

If you want.....seearch the property and you will get some pretty nice pics on zillow. Toss in that the appraisal is up over a 100k sub we bought it makes me smile that your life revolves around trolling. How sad...BTW....Loretta Russo matching your age does not exist in kansas, so what is your real name?????

commie said...

Loretta said...
"Are we back to Russia?"

Nope, just the drunkard and Dennis Victor Diatlovich


Yes loretta that is my name. What have you proven other than being a vacuous old lady????? LOLOLOL

wphamilton said...

It's a serious question why did the Russian government and Latimer Putin prefer Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton there had to be a reason for it.

The Russians believe that Hillary attempted to interfere with Putin's election, is one reason that I've heard.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2017/09/05/the-very-bad-economics-of-killing-daca/?em_pos=small&emc=edit_ty_20170906&nl=opinion-today&nl_art=1&nlid=74043373&ref=headline&te=1&_r=0

I'm not going anywhere else. Kiss my recovering ass.

Your best buddy, Paul Krugman, makes a valid point, that throwing out approximately 700,000 well educated and productive workers out of country and damaging the employment rate and costing the taxes they will not pay. They are not stealing jobs, they are well educated and productive, and pay their taxes. It would be a blow to an economy that is improving, but not at a 3%+ or better pace.

Again the Republicans better look at the economy and the impact or they will pay the price in November of next year as I have been saying. My record on predictions is at best, mediocre, but unlike our esteemed host, who would not make a prediction in 2016, I will throw it into the Trumpism infested swamp.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I didn't even mention Russia this morning . Our hostesses😅 is reading things that I didn't say.

Incurable stage four.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The congress has a lot to do this month.

Hurricane Harvey relief.

Raise the debt ceiling by September 29.

Pass the budget by September 30

Reauthorize the FAA. Air Force One is going to golf courses and we need to keep the over budget Secret Service on course.

Extend the children's health insurance program.

Upgrade the national flood insurance program. Irma is a threat of epic proportions. But there's no climate change, it's just a coincidence that we have two of the largest number of deadly force hurricanes.

President Trump's tax reform.

Comprehensive immigration reform on everything including the Dreamers.

Let's just forget about Russia. We all know he's innocent, you betcha!!!