The signature in the year book from Roy Moore is followed by the letters "D.A." which everyone assumes means District Attorney. Problem is that in 1977 when this yearbook was supposedly signed, Roy Moore was NOT the district attorney. He was just a prosecutor. He did, however, have an assistant with these initials who used to either initial or stamp the letters D.A. behind his name on court documents.
Now the Moore camp is alleging that the signature was lifted from the court document. The fact that the D.A. initials were added to the name, sort of makes you wonder... why would an otherwise "friend" signing a yearbook, add work related initials that don't appear to have any real legitimate meaning at the time?
Perhaps... when you see the court documents showing the same initials stamped behind the name, it makes sense... but only if you are prone to believe that the signature is a forgery. If you are not prone to believe it's a forgery, then I think there is some "splaining to do"?
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My favorite argument for this signature "not" being lifted was provided on twitter by Steven Nelson
Roy Moore's team is suggesting Beverly Young Nelson lifted his signature from a court document. But they don't look alike...Well Steven... it it was actually his signature, wouldn't you actually expect that they "would" look a like? How is the fact that they do not look alike make it "less" likely it was forged?
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I am curious here folks. What explanation would someone prone to believe the accuser provide for why a prosecutor would put initials behind his name? Do you simply see the court document (with the initials behind it) as a very odd coincidence?
Now everything else said about Moore might be 100% accurate. But without any expert handwriting analysis, this revelation might add some serious doubt about the yearbook signature.
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Embattled GOP Senate candidate Roy Moore's attorney implies his signature in a girl's high school yearbook was a forgery
The attorney of Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore sought to discredit one of the women accusing Moore of sexual assault, implying she had manipulated circumstantial evidence.
The accuser, Beverly Young Nelson, showed reporters a yearbook that she said Moore had signed in 1977 when he was visiting the restaurant she worked at.
e's attorney demanded that Nelson and her attorney turn over the yearbook so a "handwriting expert" can analyze the message.
He further implied that Nelson had lifted a signature from court documents and planted it onto the yearbook.
The attorney of Roy Moore, the Alabama Republican running for Senate amid allegations that he sexually harassed and assaulted teenage girls decades ago, sought on Wednesday to discredit the account of one of Moore's accusers, demanding an expert investigate one of the claims she made.
Philip Jauregui, the attorney, cast doubt on a yearbook brought forward as circumstantial evidence by Beverly Young Nelson, a woman who said she was assaulted by Moore when she was a 16-year-old waitress and he was 30.
In a press conference with attorney Gloria Allred earlier this week, Nelson showed reporters a copy of the yearbook she said Moore had signed during an earlier visit to the restaurant she worked at.
"To a sweeter more beautiful girl I could not say, 'Merry Christmas.' Love, Roy Moore DA, 12-22-77, Olde Hickory House," the message said.
Jauregui on Wednesday said that he is sending a letter to Allred demanding that she and Nelson turn over the yearbook itself and subject the message to an analysis by a handwriting expert.
"Is it genuine? Or a fraud?" Jauregui said, urging the public to compare the yearbook against Moore's handwriting themselves. "Judge Moore says there's no way in the world that that's his handwriting … I'm asking you all to take a look and make a judgment."
Jauregui also said that despite Nelson's statements that she had never had contact with Moore since the alleged incident, she actually had made contact with him — when she filed a divorce action against her husband in 1999.
The judge who signed the document was Moore, Jauregui said, adding that the "D.A." initials displayed in the yearbook after Moore's signature did not signify "district attorney," as many had assumed.
"Judge Moore looked at that D.A. after that signature," Jauregui said. "No, he wasn't, he was the assistant district attorney." He added that Moore's assistant when he was presiding over Nelson's divorce proceedings was named Delver Adams, who typically stamped his initials on court filings.
Yet some reporters immediately cast doubt on Jaregui’s argument, noting that Moore’s signature on the court document in question did not look similar enough to the signature in the yearbook to have been lifted directly from the document.
Allred responded to Jauregui's press conference in a CNN interview with Wolf Blitzer later on Wednesday evening, REPEATING HER CALL FOR MOORE TO TESTIFY UNDER OATH in a Senate hearing conducted before the election, at which point Nelson would address any questions about her account.
Allred did not directly answer Blitzer's questions on whether the yearbook message was forged, or whether Nelson had been aware that Moore was the judge who presided over her divorce proceedings.
"There's a lot that she didn't mention in her statement, including perhaps other witnesses she may have or other evidence she may have that is corroborative," Allred said.
She added that she and Nelson WELCOMED AN INDEPENDENT EXPERT ANALYSIS OF THE YEARBOOK MESSAGE AND A COMPARISON TO SEPARATE EXAMPLES OF MOORE'S HANDWRITING — so long as the analysis took place in a "PROFESSIONAL" setting, and UNDER OATH in a SENATE hearing.
In the meantime, she said, the suggestions Moore's attorney made during the Wednesday afternoon press conference were nothing more than a distraction.
"If he wants to evade, avoid, deny, distract, threaten to sue, try to smear, try to discredit, we're not going to allow ourselves to be distracted by all of that noise," Allred said.
I'm loving it, looks like funny stuff going on with the yearbook.
JAMES'S F'ING DADDY said
Let's see if you can behave better tomorrow....
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That depends on how YOU behave.
As I before, if you stop posting as My F'ing Daddy
and putting words in my mouth that I do not say,
(as for example "signing" me as a pedophile,
I will stop posting as My F'ing and as Cowardly King Obama,
and thereby putting words in your mouth.
It's up to you.
November 16, 2017 at 11:28 PM
*As I said before
But judging by 11:31 above you do not plan to stop,
so neither will I.
Then it will stop as I have never been first.... We shall see how tomorrow goes...
GOP State Legislator Quits After Having Sex With a Man
Well, that does not include if you do those things if/when I "spam."
There was a time when I cut way back on spamming, yet you continued calling me those things.
I will again cut back, but if Rat and others here can quote briefly from articles, so can I.
But I predict you will do what you did before.
I trust you no more than I trust LIAR-etta,
and that is not at all.
Russian ambassador says he won't name all the Trump officials he's met with: 'The list is so long'
And absolutely no one here trusts you, very sad for being a "pastor".
Fyi you are already spamming
It may not matter if this continues.
Democrat Doug Jones leads Roy Moore by 8 points among those likely to vote in Alabama’s special election to the U.S. Senate next month, according to Fox News.
The poll, released Thursday afternoon, is the first survey from a major pollster since The Washington Post first reported allegations that Moore had initiated sexual contact with a 14-year-old girl in 1979. Several other women have subsequently come forward with stories about Moore soliciting dates from them while they were underage or, in one case, alleged an attempted sexual assault by Moore.
Before the Fox News poll, RealClearPolitics’ average of recent polls in the state continued to give a slight edge to Moore. The Fox News poll, though, shows a dramatic shift in the race since its last survey in October, with Jones seeing a seven-point jump from the 42 percent he had among registered voters then to 49 percent this month. Among likely voters, he leads 50 percent to 42 percent.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/11/16/democrat-jones-leads-roy-moore-by-8-points-in-alabama-per-fox-news-poll/?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_alabamagop-620pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.3ba4928f0ef9
Then there is that the Washington Post hired a handwritten analyst to review the year book writing. His review isn't a total yes or no, but with the exception of the ability to verify that the ink was available in 1977.
This is, Songer said, is why it’s hard to dismiss the inscription as invalid simply on the basis of the two sets of “77’s.”
“If you’re comparing just the number ‘7’ the question becomes: Out of the, what, 7 billion people in the world can that be replicated? And the answer is: Yes,” Songer said, making the point that it’s hard to identify a writer simply by how a seven is written. “You can only make a ‘7’ so many ways — or a ‘1’ or a ‘2’. If there were some kind of unique feature that was added to that number and it’s repeated, and it’s unique, possibly.”
“Just comparing numbers on its own merits?” he continued. “It’s very dangerous for someone to say, ‘Yeah, just based on that, that they’re different, therefore different writer.’ I would never go to that level.”
Moore’s attorneys have asked to review the yearbook itself. There’s good reason for this, Songer said.
“As a handwriting expert, we always want to look at the original vs. a photocopy because with the originals we can microscopically examine it,” he said. “Look at the line quality and determine what kind of instrument was used: Was it a ballpoint pen? Was it a gel pen? In 1977, did they have this writing instrument available at the time?” The ink itself could be tested to see if it was an ink that was available in 1977.
That said, Songer didn’t know that Moore’s team necessarily needed the yearbook.
“The quality of this copy?” Songer said, “I think they could come to a qualified opinion.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/11/16/we-asked-a-handwriting-expert-to-evaluate-claims-that-roy-moores-writing-was-forged/?utm_term=.9fd674bb159d
Moore is a pedophile. The host has been writing that he doesn't believe that these accusations because they are a product of the Fake News. He has lost his open minded evaluation, because he's decided that the free press is dangerous to the President and his agenda.
The fact that Allred will not produce the yearbook for independent verification should raise quite a lot of suspicion.
To me, the amazing swiftness of the right piling on the franken kiss was astounding and the total lack of response in the initial moore revelations to "If" it was true just gives me pause the whole DC bull shit and the partisan divide that affects everything!!! At least franken came clean and our pussy grabber weighed in which IMHO opens the door to what should have disqualified him last year....Let the tweets continue!!!!!!!
the yearbook for independent verification should raise quite a lot of suspicion
Of what??? Let them get a court order and open the flood gates...
The fact that Allred will not produce the yearbook by handing it over to anyone who will not verify that the verification will be done by real experts according to genuine forensic objectivity and impartiality only makes good sense. What she proposes makes good sense. (See the CAPITAL LETTERS in 10:54 PM above.)
James, a question, how many monikers do you use here on CHT, you know IF you use Google and create a blog name, we will see the BLOG "B" and know it is you and not a fake.
Why the need to use other blog names, I don't, MYballs doesn't, CS and CHT and RRB and ETTE and Cali don't, yet you and opie do.
The host has been writing that he doesn't believe that these accusations "" Alky
CHT Has not done that , you lie so easy.
Still blaming your mother and dad for your inferior genes and your list of medical problems?
Blogger Roger Amick said...
This gets no hits. I could get hundreds and eventually thousands. But CH has been turned into a child.
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Blogger Roger Amick said...
You did not have to do this again you jerk. Give it a break. nothing other you want to fuck with me for for personal reasons. You don't have any fucking reason to do this. You don't know me personally. I'm a responsible and well liked person.
We disagree on politics. Your obsession with attacking me because I'm an admitted recovering alcoholic is mentally irrational. You are a demonstrably racist. You are a hate filled, pathetic obsessed sick and mentally distributed man.
My comments are not allowed, to get more views, because I dare disagree with the host. I knew you would do this, because you are irrationally obsessed and insane.
What really bothers you, is the fact that I'm not going to die, because of my liver disease. You have repeatedly said that the transplant was a result of my personal behavior. I have time after time, provided the truth. But your mind is just like that of a child, no signs of any kind of adult behavior. This is childish insults and again and again sick obsession.
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Roger -
I wrote an entire post suggesting I was predisposed to believe the first allegation against Moore.
Why do you continue to blatantly lie about me?
Moore is a pedophile. The host has been writing that he doesn't believe that these accusations because they are a product of the Fake News. He has lost his open minded evaluation, because he's decided that the free press is dangerous to the President and his agenda.
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moore is innocent until proven guilty, alky.
when it comes to "open minded evaluations" you're psychologically projecting again.
and as for your "free press?" they lie like it's their fucking job.
here's MSDNC's kasie hunt:
MSNBC Live
11/16/17
11:53 p.m. Eastern
KASIE HUNT: We are starting to see some immediate reaction to this on Capitol Hill to those allegations and you covered what she had to say pretty well. In a nutshell, she said she was on this USO tour that Al Franken wrote — he was a comedian then, not a Senator — wrote into the script that he should kiss her. Tried to get her to rehearse it. It was uncomfortable. She avoided him after that. Then he took a picture, which his office now says was of a joke, that showed him potentially — not actually groping, but mock-groping her while she was asleep.
a comedian, not a senator. not actually groping,. but MOCK GROPING.
got that, captain free press?
The fact that Allred will not produce the yearbook by handing it over to anyone who will not verify that the verification will be done by real experts
Moore's lawyer proposed and independent, neutral, certified expert to maintain the chain of custody.
Allred did not proposed anything other than some ridiculous demand that the Senate be involved.
This is nothing more than a dodge by Allred. The Senate cannot be involved until a Senator is elected and seated and she knows that.
Until then it is essentially a private dispute between Moore and his accuser.
Like I said if Allred was eager to verify her claim a neutral forensic expert could be easily arrange.
That she's balking tells me quite a lot about how legitimate the signature is.
Why do you continue to blatantly lie about me?
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perhaps he's just trying to reinforce your decision to block him on facebook, and banish his bullshit posts to the hospice blog.
Moore's lawyer proposed and independent, neutral, certified expert to maintain the chain of custody.
And menstral trusts that will happen.....I know of a bridge for sale in NY.....idiot...BTW "and independent"???? Too funny...
If Allred thought she had legitimate evidence she would have called Moore's bluff and arrange for the expert.
It won't happen because Allred won't allow it.
Which means the signature is a fraud.
Which means the signature is a fraud.
Your opinion which has been proven to be wrong more often than not....Right Mr. .6% ???????
Trump, can you tell me how this makes America great again? Do you really need that Elephant Head Trophy hanging on your wall? I’m happy to papier-mâché you one instead. Trump is reversing an Obama administration ban on bringing to the United States the heads of elephants killed in two African countries and the National Rifle Association's lobbying arm praised the elephant trophy decision.
He has banish your hate filled and racist bullshit posts to the hospice blog.
Another reason you are limited to pictures of your fat ass elswher.
moore is innocent until proven guilty, <
alky. This is not a criminal trial.
when it comes to "open minded evaluations" you're psychologically projecting again. Your obsession with my recovery from alcoholism is a projection of your hatred of people who are far more successful and respected than you.
and as for your "free press?" they lie like it's their fucking job. The free press is in the first amendment for a reason. It is able to state the truth. Almost every single prominent Republican believes the truth about the pedophile who is running for the Senate. You are unable to recognize the truth because of you pathological hatred for the Constitution because it tells you the truth.
Which means the signature is a fraud.
Your opinion
Deductive reasoning eludes Dennis.
You are unable to recognize the truth because of you pathological hatred for the Constitution because it tells you the truth.
What the?
"Why do you continue to blatantly lie about me?"
Roger's a troll. Period.
moore is innocent until proven guilty, <
alky. This is not a criminal trial.
So basically you are taking the American characteristic of fairness and trashing it when it's politically expedient.
You're a perfect hack.
Roger's a troll. Period.
Roger has no moral anchor period.
Alky is that, not much more, he and Jane would think nothing of letting Al Franken grab the breasts of their wife while asleep as long as it was done as a "Prank" alky or as a "Joke" Jane.
Roger has no moral anchor period. " CS
correct, nor is he a home owner, when he speaks of "having a Mortgage" know this, he does not, his wife according to the CA open Public Records does.
C.H. Truth said...
Roger -
I wrote an entire post suggesting I was predisposed to believe the first allegation against Moore.
Why do you continue to blatantly lie about me?
November 17, 2017 at 7:56 "
So many reasons CHT,, he hates you, you best him on every topic with ease, he envies your wealth and class.
Trump, can you tell me how this makes America great again? Do you really need that Elephant Head Trophy hanging on your wall? " CHT
I don't. but I also am not about stopping those that want to within the laws of the nation they go and hunt.
You know California pimps for hunters from other Nations to hunt in your state, maybe it is ok for your state to gain those hunting-dollars but you want to keep those dollars out of other nations hands.
wtf is wrong with you alky, so stupid on all issues every freaking day.
The host has been writing that he doesn't believe that these accusations because they are a product of the Fake News. He has lost his open minded evaluation, because he's decided that the free press is dangerous to the President and his agenda.
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then why don't you just fucking LEAVE, alky.
take your wrinkled, old, 98 pound weakling ass on out of here.
maybe you can parlay your prominent role in your local 'drunks r us' chapter to some AA blog moderator for broken down alcoholics.
or start your own blog for all the low life shitheels you run with. call it - 'God's waiting room.com' or something as appropriate. have james teach you how to preach the gospel of the loser with the second hand liver.
you obviously have a deep seated and emotional problem with CH, so just do us a favor and get the fuck out.
asshole.
This is not a criminal trial.
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oh, so it is just a witch hunt bought and paid for by the WaPo. thought so.
"Your obsession with my recovery from alcoholism is a projection of your hatred of people who are far more successful and respected than you."
alky, you're a piss drunk loser on a borrowed liver. my comment was directed to you based upon the premise that you possess the ability to offer "open minded evaluations." you're a pathetic liberal hack. open minded evaluations is beyond your grasp.
"The free press is in the first amendment for a reason."
indeed it is. what that reason is NOT is for it to be abused in pursuit of a political agenda. once that happens, you can drop the "free" from free press, because the press you love has been bought and paid for by liberalism. it ain't "free" no more.
your beloved press has had the long knives out for trump since granny's election night bender and temper tantrum. all pretense of objectivity has been dropped, and now fucksticks like jim acosta make fools of themselves in the white house briefing room on a daily basis.
oh, and alky,
it is the soldier and NOT the journalist that secures our free press. never, ever forget that.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
He has banish your hate filled and racist bullshit posts to the hospice blog.
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really, alky?
funny... he doesn't mention me by name over there -
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C.H. Truth
LOL. that never get's old.
Could be any of several reasons why he'd sign his name like that. Maybe as an arrested-development 30 year old, trying to impress high school girls he thought it would give him an edge. Maybe he signed court documents that way, wanting it to appear that his assistant did it, for whatever reason, and it was force of habit. I could come up with lots of "maybes" but who really knows why?
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