I always find it amusing when one side accuses the other of committing some form of political suicide, while simultaneously attempting to talk them out of it. As power hungry and partisan as Politicians are these days, they would never "fight" something that aligns them with their political goals of power and control.
Reality? If the Democrats really thought that the GOP was committing political suicide by passing the tax bill, they would probably shut up, let it pass, and then reap the benefits in 2018. Then when they win the Presidency back in 2020 (citing bad tax policy) they can undo the tax bill before it causes too much damage.
Problem? There will be a tangible reality to the tax bill. As much as it's a hypothetical debate right now, with both sides spinning the "potential" of what the end result might look like, complete with competing analysis, competing opinions, and competing narratives... if the bill passes, we will know in 2018 whether or not it raises taxes (as Democrats suggest) lowers taxes (as Republican suggest) or pretty much stay the same (as nobody is suggesting).
In other words, the proof "will" be in the pudding as they say.
Once the bill passes, the changes take affect, and people's paychecks are effected one way or the other... then you take a poll and find out what people think. Because then it won't matter who is suggesting what, or what side the media is taking, or anything else. The only thing that will matter is whether or not the bill puts more or less money in the pockets of Americans.
Bottom line. Polling today might have some effect with how politicians vote. But polling does not determine how the bill ultimately works. The bill will either raise or lower taxes completely independently of what the public "believes". If the bill (as I suspect) actually lowers taxes for most people, the suggestions of it being a tax "hike" will no doubt be one of the biggest examples of "fake news" we have seen to date.
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Your comment on Fake News shoots yourself in the head.
A rational discussion does not need a political term invented by The President to try and discredit the truth.
It will pass. The fact that the increase in the deficit will actually cause a downward spiral in the long time.
I just hope that it's not as bad as the Bush tax cut.
Answer this.
You went ballistic over the Obama deficit.
Why do you have no problem with the $1,000,000,000, Deficit ?
"fake news"
Call it what it is.
Lies and propaganda.
I just hope that it's not as bad as the Bush tax cut.
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yeah, because letting people keep more of their own money is always a BAD thing, right alky?
geezus, you assholes feel entitled to every fucking penny we earn.
The Republican tax bill that the House and Senate are set to pass as soon as Tuesday night would give most Americans a tax cut next year, according to a new analysis. However, it would by far benefit the richest Americans the most. Meanwhile, many lower- and middle-class Americans would have higher taxes a decade from now ... unless a future Congress extends the cuts.
The average household would get a tax cut of $1,610 in 2018, a bump of about 2.2 percent in that average household's income, according to a report released Monday by the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan think tank that has been critical of the tax overhaul plan.
Week Ahead: Trump Might Get His Tax Bill, But That Might Be It Until After 2018
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Week Ahead: Trump Might Get His Tax Bill, But That Might Be It Until After 2018
However, extremes make averages, and the benefits would be much larger for richer households. A household earning $1 million or more would get an average cut of $69,660, an income bump of 3.3 percent. Compare that to the average household earning $50,000 to $75,000, which would get a tax cut of $870, or 1.6 percent.
It always gets personal when the twit and the racist bastard
Good Lord.
"yeah, because letting people keep more of their own money is always a BAD thing, right alky?"
He has no idea.
After 8 years of obama doubling the deficit, now you're concerned?
You're still shallow as ever.
The Republican tax bill that the House and Senate are set to pass as soon as Tuesday night would give most Americans a tax cut next year, according to a new analysis. However, it would by far benefit the richest Americans the most. Meanwhile, many lower- and middle-class Americans would have higher taxes a decade from now ... unless a future Congress extends the cuts.
The average household would get a tax cut of $1,610 in 2018, a bump of about 2.2 percent in that average household's income, according to a report released Monday by the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan think tank that has been critical of the tax overhaul plan.
So now that we actually "know" that it's going to pass, the "new analysis" actually admits that people will see a tax break... after previously suggesting differently.
It's like the CBO demanding that XXX amount of people would "lose" insurance if the individual mandate was repealed... but when that number was used by the GOP to show that it would save the Government money (because 13 million less people would receive subsidies)... then they wanted to adjust it down.
The Bush tax cut.. history eludes HB again.
You mean the very tax cuts Obama renewed .
HB is the stupid kid in the Economy 101 college kid that had liberal parents and all the wrong answers.
Roger,question, will you continue to assure you pay the same amount you do today to the US Treasury, after the Trump tax cuts take effect.
Roger,question, will you continue to assure you pay the same amount you do today to the US Treasury, after the Trump tax cuts take effect.
President Trump has opened ANWAR to drill baby drill.
We are going to see a lot of this until the next election. There is a blue balloon in November of the next year.
The GOP's robber-baron tax bill is a $6 trillion giveaway to the Koch brothers and ExxonMobil, paid for by the rest of us. It recklessly opens up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge for oil drilling, gives special tax breaks to the oil and gas industries, kills key support for the renewable energy, and even eliminates the tax credit for survivors of climate disasters like wildfires! Your member of Congress has already voted FOR the tax scam once. With the #GOPTaxScam now in conference before final House and Senate votes, there’s still a chance that Congress will reject the bill, and prevent this radical assault on our nation.
Lol, god you actually doing the impossible, you're getting dumber.
It is clear that President Donald Trump is set to save millions if he signs the Republican tax plan, but exactly how much? Forbes crunched the numbers: It looks like up to $11 million a year from a single rule change.
K'putz go fuck Daisy
"Lol, god you actually doing the impossible, you're getting dumber."
Always give him time.
"The GOP's robber-baron tax bill is a $6 trillion giveaway to the Koch brothers and ExxonMobil, paid for by the rest of us."
More Facebook garbage.
Santa Putin is coming to town.©
He knows when you are sleeping, he knows when you're awake, so be glad for goodness sake. So be glad I bought you a Donald J. Trump. You better not weep, you better not cry, because Santa Putin will be smiling at you.
"Santa Putin is coming to town"
Facebook garbage.
Hey dumbass the collusion was with the democrats. Not trump.
Sorry twit. I wrote this.
Santa Putin is coming to town.©
He knows when you are sleeping, he knows when you're awake, so be glad for goodness sake. So be glad I bought you a Donald J. Trump. You better not weep, you better not cry, because Santa Putin will be smiling at you.
Still facebook garbage.
Tax cut bill is halfway on the home stretch. Just needs the senate.
Three big lies.
Remember Donald Trump’s promise to keep American jobs in America? Of course you do. No longer will we tolerate American companies sending jobs offshore thanks to stupid tax laws and unfair competition. Not on Trump’s watch, anyway.
There are three reasons, according to nonpartisan tax experts. First, a corporation would pay that global minimum tax only on profits above a “routine” rate of return on the tangible assets — such as a factory — that it has overseas. So the more equipment a corporation has in other countries, the more tax-free income it can earn. The legislation thus offers corporations “a perverse incentive” to shift assembly lines abroad, says Steve Rosenthal of the Tax Policy Center.
Second, the Senate bill sets the “routine” return at 10 percent — far more generous than would typically be the case….As a result, a U.S. corporation that builds a $100 million plant in another country and makes a foreign profit of $20 million would pay roughly $1 million in tax versus $4 million on the same profits if earned in the United States, says Rosenthal, who has been a tax lawyer for 25 years and drafted tax legislation as a staff member for the Joint Committee on Taxation.
Finally, the minimum levy would be calculated on a global average rather than for individual countries where a corporation operates. So a U.S. multinational could lower its tax bill by shifting profits from U.S. locations to tax havens such as the Cayman Islands.
….Companies also are likely to continue to locate valuable intellectual property overseas to pay a lower rate than what they would face in the United States, likely to be around 20 percent, analysts said. “The plan does not meaningfully reduce the incentives for companies to move their operations and shift their income overseas,” [says Rebecca Kysar, a professor at Brooklyn Law School]. “You could say it will make things worse.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-promised-america-first-would-keep-jobs-here-but-the-tax-plan-might-not/2017/12/15/7b8ed60e-df93-11e7-bbd0-9dfb2e37492a_story.html?utm_term=.973f3f35f019
Its going to pass.
Blue moon in November
This is Facebook garbage
yeah, because letting people keep more of their own money is always a BAD thing, right alky?
geezus, you assholes feel entitled to every fucking penny we earn.
M
My attempt to be poetic is funny
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/12/the-republican-tax-bill-will-send-more-jobs-overseas/#
My earlier post
Mrs. Lynn parroting Mr Nancy Polosey
there’s still a chance that Congress will reject the bill, and prevent this radical assault on our nation.
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drama queen much, alky?
allowing the hard working americans who actually pay taxes keep more of what they earn is a radical assault on our nation?
what the fuck do you care? you've got yours and it's guaranteed. what scares the fuck out of you is what might happen if those dependent upon government use the free market and an expanding economy to free themselves FROM government.
HB dreams at the gym of having sex with the "tight ass" preteens and my Bovines.
Maybe HB is as bad as Jane?
Roger Amick said...
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/12/the-republican-tax-bill-will-send-more-jobs-overseas/#
My earlier post
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this from the dumb fuck who tells us that he never quotes kevin drum anymore.
LOL.
captain 138 IQ (up from 137, btw) can't keep his bullshit straight.
"Halfway on the home stretch" CS
Yep, not one moderate Democrat exists in the US House.
Every penny we make" little lady lynn
Wtf are you prattling about?
Lol, god you actually doing the impossible, you're getting dumber.
Au contraire, Roger has yet to plumb the depths of his stupidity.
This is an involuable law of politics.
The chances of the GOP slaughtering the Democrats in the midterm election is directly proportional to the Democrat's hysterical insistence that the GOP is committing suicide by passing the tax reform bill.
The Bush tax cut.. history eludes HB again.
You mean the very tax cuts Obama renewed .
yeah, because letting people keep more of their own money is always a BAD thing, right alky?"
geezus, you assholes feel entitled to every fucking penny we earn." HB,,,
Again HB wtf are you blattering about?
It's a re vote tomorrow. K'putz go fuck Daisy is crying out loud as she is waiting for a lot of reasons.
Blue ball will demonstrate that the Russians were involved in the tax vote LOL
Republicans’ tax plan — which would steeply and permanently reduce taxes for corporations, while temporarily cutting taxes for many individuals — passed the House of Representatives Tuesday afternoon and is on its way to passing the Senate.
But there's a slight hiccup: House leaders now expect the compromise tax overhaul negotiated by House and Senate Republicans will need to undergo small tweaks in order to pass the Senate under rules that will allow it to pass the upper chamber with just 51 votes. That means the bill will have to return to the House once it passes the Senate in slightly modified form.
Even with that, the bill is expected to become law as soon as Wednesday.
The bill, released last Friday, is the end result of rapid action in Congress over the last month and makes big changes across the tax code. House Speaker Paul Ryan, visibly excited, announced the final vote, 227-203, from the chair. Twelve Republicans joined all Democrats in voting against the bill.
Republicans’ tax plan — which would steeply and permanently reduce taxes for corporations, while temporarily cutting taxes for many individuals — passed the House of Representatives Tuesday afternoon and is on its way to passing the Senate.
But there's a slight hiccup: House leaders now expect the compromise tax overhaul negotiated by House and Senate Republicans will need to undergo small tweaks in order to pass the Senate under rules that will allow it to pass the upper chamber with just 51 votes. That means the bill will have to return to the House once it passes the Senate in slightly modified form.
Even with that, the bill is expected to become law as soon as Wednesday.
The bill, released last Friday, is the end result of rapid action in Congress over the last month and makes big changes across the tax code. House Speaker Paul Ryan, visibly excited, announced the final vote, 227-203, from the chair. Twelve Republicans joined all Democrats in voting against the bill.
HalfBovine
"All Democrats" HalfBovine
I an truly not shocked that the mythical "centrist Democrat" has yet be sighted, maybe it will be see in the US Senate.
Republicans, yes I can see that they would not align themselves in a fight if their political interest is aligned with letting it go, to damage the other side. Congressional Republicans have after all, for the past two Presidential terms, fought for their political interests regardless of the consequences. The budget fights, hostage on federal default, denials of every service including those advocated in their own party, the list goes on ...
But the Democrats are more concerned with their philosophical agenda, and their constituents will not abide letting something like this pass, regardless of how it will ultimately damage the Republicans. It's a flawed philosophy, buffed to a veneer of normalcy by the Republicans, but inherently damaging.
You'd think this tax bill would be a slam dunk, with Republicans in control of Congress. After all, it's a huge giveaway for corporations, for the highest wage earners, for large investors and banks. Some crumbs for the working middle class little people who are too mesmerized with sticking it to liberals to notice. And it screws over enough poor people. What's not to like, for today's Republicans?
But if it's possible to screw up, they still will. Well they already have screwed up as CH noted, but I mean last minute torpedoes that sink it.
If you go back and read or listen to the promises made by the candidate Trump said in regards to his tax reform bill.
Every single one of the promises made by the candidate Trump were lies.
I just can't understand why the people who voted for Trump, are still standing up for him. He lied about the crowd size and has never ceased lying again and again. This one has to be the biggest lie in the history of the United States, and they just say it's not a lie, because it is reported by the Fake News reports.
The only dem philosophy is to oppose everything trump card wants. That's the flawed philosophy.
And the US has the highest corporate tax rates in the world. They needed to come down. I would've been ok with 25% but this is ok.
There's a reason that Obama could never really get the economy moving.
No they weren't lies. Roger, you are the liar.
I'll say it again. You are a liar.
It is so sweet of the 4 liberal stooges of CHT to be so concerned that the Republicans are doing g it all wrong.
Yeah, Schumer is losing it. Strange that he is so concerned that Republicans are about to shit themselves.
If he really thought that, he'd quietly just let it happen.
Al Frankin stillllllllllll in office.
I am sure three or four mythical Democrat moderate Senators will vote for the taxcuts, right?
The US has about the 3rd or 4th highest effective tax rate, around 22% if I recall correctly (and I do). About average for developed nations in fact.
Talking about the nominal tax rate is just another way of being deceptive. The effective rate, the one that matters, is how much they actually pay.
Lol, wrong again WP.
WP will you in your Ivory tower being paying more in taxes?
35 % tax US Business rate.
Average for developed nations 29.5%.
WP KEEP TROLLING FAKE DATA
The passage of this tax bill is a good first start. The next bill will do more.
That's the nominal tax rate KD. The amount of taxes that US Corporations actually pay, due to numerous exemptions and loopholes created to offset that high nominal rate, is about 22%. In other words, you've been had by corporate lobbyists and those politicians who've been paid by them.
The marginal tax rates are a significant in determining how much a company invests in a country along with the subsequent location of profits. There's a reason why US companies have left billions of dollars overseas for so many years.
The bill passes the senate, it now goes back to the house.
Bill signing schedule for 1:00pm eastern time.
Dems wisely back off on DACA demands to avoid government shutdown.
He lied about the crowd size
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geezus drama queen, obsess much?
you've been whining about this for going on a fucking year. this, and trump's funny and sarcastic "maybe the russians can get hillary's 30,000 emails" during a debate.
for chrissakes, grow up.
Whining about lower taxes on international corporations is most amusing.
Hell, even my lowest educated machinists understand the concept of tax cuts, lol.
Yes, refuse your cuts. Put your money where your mouth is.....
Whining that the cuts are temporary is pretty funny too.
Even your two-bit community organizer had enough sense to extend the Bush tax cuts, lol.
"for chrissakes, grow up."
LOL, good luck with that.
ALL of them are ate up....
Yes, refuse your cuts. Put your money where your mouth is.....
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statists love to bitch when their beloved government leviathan is put on a bit of a fiscal diet. and they are hypocrites until their dying day when it comes to enjoying a tax cut - large or small.
your machinists may be not well educated, but their intellect on this topic is much greater than some of the advanced-degree liberals in my company.
Anonymous Myballs seeing America become great again said...
Yeah, Schumer is losing it. Strange that he is so concerned that Republicans are about to shit themselves.
If he really thought that, he'd quietly just let it happen.
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poor chuckles got his panites in a wad because the GOP couldn't care less what he had to say.
"c'mon, serious you guys."
Several times during the speech Schumer called for order, asking Jeff Flake, who was presiding over the Senate during the tax bill vote, to tell them to knock it off. When he just couldn't take it anymore he lashed out at Republicans: "This is serious stuff. We believe you're messing up America," he shouted. "You could pay attention for a couple of minutes."
https://pjmedia.com/video/enraged-schumer-lashes-gop-senators-ignoring-tedious-floor-speech/
LOL.
Poor chuckles.
It was the moment Democrats finally realized they were out of power.
WP KEEP TROLLING FAKE DATA
Like you numb nutz? Winning bigly on the stock market????
Did you know that the Dow in Obama's first 11 months out performed trump by 25%? Or that the S and P outperformed trump by 100%. Before you respond, suggest you do the math if you can.....LOLOLOLOL
"It was the moment Democrats finally realized they were out of power."
It's always a joy watching unhinged liberals.
Did you know that the Dow in Obama's first 11 months out performed trump by 25%?
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no d0pie. actually i had no idea. so i googled it. and found your source in the blink of an eye:
Donald Trump Is Not My President
https://www.facebook.com/DJTNotMyPresident/posts/2046935652242808
"Donald Trump Is Not My President"
LOL.
The Republicans are going to cut the tax rate for corporations and the wealthy, and cut Medicare and Medicaid services to the American people.
This may be the death of the Republican party as we knew it. In the long term the Democrats will reverse most of the damage.
Enjoy your moments in history.
Ah, the good ole days...
"Unprecedented Downgrade Comes After Last-Minute Standoff; Treasury Says Decision Is 'Flawed by a $2 Trillion Error'"
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424053111903366504576490841235575386
This may be the death of the Republican party as we knew it.
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do you really mean it this time alky?
i mean, every single time you said this and we were supposed to start heading off into the forest to wander aimlessly for a generation, the GOP won another election.
pretty soon, 0linsky had pissed away over 1000 democrat seats across the nation.
so i'm kinda hoping you can start striving for accuracy and get it right for once. i'm just about getting whiplash from all your FAILED predictions.
an. 21, 2017.“I wasn't a fan of Iraq. I didn't want to go into Iraq.” (He was for an invasion before he was against it.)
Jan. 21, 2017.“A reporter for Time magazine — and I have been on their cover 14 or 15 times. I think we have the all-time record in the history of Time magazine.” (Trump was on the cover 11 times and Nixon appeared 55 times.)
Jan. 23, 2017.“Between 3 million and 5 million illegal votes caused me to lose the popular vote.” (There's no evidence of illegal voting.)
Jan. 25, 2017.“Now, the audience was the biggest ever. But this crowd was massive. Look how far back it goes. This crowd was massive.” (Official aerial photos show Obama's 2009 inauguration was much more heavily attended.)
Jan. 25, 2017.“Take a look at the Pew reports (which show voter fraud.)” (The report never mentioned voter fraud.)
Jan. 25, 2017.“You had millions of people that now aren't insured anymore.” (The real number is less than 1 million, according to the Urban Institute.)
Jan. 25, 2017.“So, look, when President Obama was there two weeks ago making a speech, very nice speech. Two people were shot and killed during his speech. You can't have that.” (There were no gun homicide victims in Chicago that day.)
Jan. 26, 2017.“We've taken in tens of thousands of people. We know nothing about them. They can say they vet them. They didn't vet them. They have no papers. How can you vet somebody when you don't know anything about them and you have no papers? How do you vet them? You can't.” (Vetting lasts up to two years.)
Jan. 26, 2017.“I cut off hundreds of millions of dollars off one particular plane, hundreds of millions of dollars in a short period of time. It wasn't like I spent, like, weeks, hours, less than hours, and many, many hundreds of millions of dollars. And the plane's going to be better.” (Most of the cuts were already planned.)
Jan. 28, 2017.“The coverage about me in the @nytimes and the @washingtonpost has been so false and angry that the Times actually apologized to its dwindling subscribers and readers.” (It never apologized.)
Jan. 29, 2017.“The Cuban-Americans, I got 84 percent of that vote.” (There is no support for this.)
Jan. 30, 2017.“Only 109 people out of 325,000 were detained and held for questioning. Big problems at airports were caused by Delta computer outage.” (At least 746 people were detained and processed, and the Delta outage happened two days later.)
Blogger Loretta said...
Ah, the good ole days...
"Unprecedented Downgrade Comes After Last-Minute Standoff; Treasury Says Decision Is 'Flawed by a $2 Trillion Error'"
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not to worry.
alky says -
"In the long term the Democrats will reverse most of the damage."
and alky is NEVER wrong.
right alky?
oh fuck.
i triggered an alky-lanche of copy/pastes.
sorry guys.
Spam from the drunken creeper.
"I triggered an alky-lanche of copy/pastes.
sorry guys."
It's okay.
He's a creeper, creeping Facebook for his spam.
bam!
devastation!
fire up those articles of impeachment alky! you've got him now!
Maxine Waters Connects the Dots on Trump, Deutsche Bank, and Russia
Mueller’s bank subpoenas could shed light on Trump associates’ ties to Russian money-laundering.
https://www.thenation.com/article/maxine-waters-connects-the-dots-on-trump-deutsche-bank-and-russia/
and just in time for snow solstice. or winter holiday. or whatever the 146 different genders call this time of the year.
Only about a third of Americans say that they will definitely or probably vote for Donald Trump if he runs for reelection in 2020, while half indicate that they’ll definitely or probably support his Democratic general election challenger, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.
The poll found that just 18 percent of those surveyed believe that they will "definitely" support Trump if he runs in the next presidential election, with another 18 percent saying that they’ll "probably" choose him. But a significant chunk — 38 percent — say they’re dead set on voting against the GOP commander-in-chief, with an additional 14 percent saying that they’ll probably vote for the Democrat on the ballot.
While even the most nascent stages of the 2020 presidential race are likely at least a year away — and, of course, it’s unknown who will run for and win the Democratic nomination, how a possible primary challenger to Trump might fare and even whether Trump will ultimately decide to pursue another term at all — the numbers are striking when compared to the nation’s mood about then-President Bill Clinton after the first year of his presidency.
The partisan breakdown for Trump’s reelection support also shows signs of some potential fracturing within his own party. Among Republicans, 43 percent say they will definitely vote for Trump, while another 40 percent say they probably will. But among Democrats, three quarters — 73 percent — say they will definitely vote against Trump..
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/poll-just-36-americans-indicate-they-would-vote-trump-2020-n831266
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"Only about a third of Americans say that they will definitely or probably vote for Donald Trump if he runs for reelection in 2020"
BFD
Facts trigger compulsive behavior by the CHT online duet, who have to insult and make psychological evaluations of others, but who can't resist pattern behavior of their own.
They have pushed the level of debate on this blog into the swamp.
Only about a third of Americans say that they will definitely or probably vote for Donald Trump if he runs for reelection in 2020
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hey alky, is this in line with those pre-election polls you were touting that had trump losing to queenie by 98% to 2%?
i'm trying to figure out when i should be making my reservations for my generation-long wilderness walk-about. i really need you to get it right this time. i ain't getting any younger and i'm not sure how many generations i have left in me.
also from the alky's survey article:
"The new survey finds that 41 percent of Americans want Congress to hold impeachment hearings to remove Trump from office, including 70 percent of Democrats, 40 percent of independents and seven percent of Republicans."
liberals: "we really want to impeach him. we just don't know WHY we want to impeach him!!!"
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Facts trigger compulsive behavior by the CHT online duet
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when you post a fact we'll let you know.
also, that behavior is called mocking. it all you're worth these days.
Of course the direction of the political spectrum in the next year, and predictions this far out are arguably risky or foolish.
But the United States elected the worst President in history. So given the fact that his behavior will not change, even if the economy performance is outstanding, he could be starting the deadliest conflict since World War Two, on the Korean peninsula. All bets are off.
"also, that behavior is called mocking. it all you're worth these days."
Ouch.
"But the United States elected the worst President in history."
We survived the two-bit community organizer, we can survive anything.
"that behavior is called mocking. it all you're worth these days."
Ouch.
WP Thank for the comedy you proved with my Victory Cup of morning Coffee.
President Trump will be the first President to have a stock market gain in all 12 months of his first year.
Good morning oPie.
The death of the mythical "moderate Democrat" with not one vote from a Democrat in the US House or US Senate.
I want to thank those Democrats for voting on mass against any America keeping on more penny of the labor.
This is the most revealing comment by the racist rodent bigot on this blog and I don't think that he understood what he admitted. The world is leaving him behind and it fills him with anger.
"i'm trying to figure out when i should be making my reservations for my generation-long wilderness walk-about. i really need you to get it right this time. i ain't getting any younger and i'm not sure how many generations i have left in me."
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Of course the direction of the political spectrum in the next year, and predictions this far out are arguably risky or foolish.
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but that doesn't keep an asshat like you from making them.
tough habit to break, eh alky?
Little Lilly white Lynn faints falling on fainting couch in full length gown.
Jealousy is ugly.
"Little Lilly white Lynn faints falling on fainting couch in full length gown."
With yellow teeth.
2,004 days.
BTW, George W Bush is also a recovering alcoholic.
But the United States elected the worst President in history.
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yup.
and then we bounced him and the mooch out of their plush public housing about a year ago.
btw alky, have you heard the latest? skeets was helping hezbollah run coke to keep his iran deal from turning to shit.
boy, that took some balls, eh?
End of year financial statements on 401 k, 457b, simple and other accounts will be hitting investor class mailboxes and Emails.
Thank You President Trump.
"George W Bush is also a recovering alcoholic."
Yep!
The difference?
He's a good, humble man.
BTW, George W Bush is also a recovering alcoholic.
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true, but when he smiles he doesn't look like he has an ear of sweet corn jammed sideways in his mouth.
A few days ago, after I had finished with my workout, and I was wearing my sleeveless shirt, I went to the Kaiser Permanente pharmacy to pick up a prescription. The pharmacy assistant asked me if I had just gotten back from muscle beach. I smiled and said no, just the 24 Hour Fitness. He then said "Be careful and don't crush the bottle." I almost broke into laughter.
I know.
Twit
Doesn't
Matter
so i googled it. and found your source in the blink of an eye:
You can't find your own ass in the dark Rat hole....I looked up the dow for both time periods and did the math....something foreign to morons like you, rat hole...All you did was confirm my own work, thanx jag off.....Idiot but thanx for playing!!!!
I went to the Kaiser Permanente pharmacy to pick up a prescription.
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next time don't forget the toothbrush and toothpaste.
"next time don't forget the toothbrush and toothpaste."
Heebeegeebees.
Hey rat hole the idiot...
Here's the source I used, not that you have the ability to use it...LOL
http://www.macrotrends.net/1358/dow-jones-industrial-average-last-10-years
That photograph does not show deeply yellowed teeth, because they are not yellow, because they are not. But even if they were, it is meaningless.
My arms and considerably larger and more defined now. I put in an hour or more five or six days a week in the gym. I do that in spite of severe pain due to a damaged lumbar spine. I'm not going to rot away watching Netflix and Amazon prime video.
No
One
Cares creeper.
Oh lots of people care.
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Obamacare Plagued Democrats In 2010. The GOP Just Voted For A Bill Even Less Popular.
Is it a win to pass legislation that most people don’t like?
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Obamacare Plagued Democrats In 2010. The GOP Just Voted For A Bill Even Less Popular.
Is it a win to pass legislation that most people don’t like?
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they don't like it because the msm has been pissing on it for weeks.
80.4% of americans are projected to get a tax cut, alky. let's gauge public sentiment on the facts in 2018, vs. fake news in 2017.
by the way, what was the democrat tax proposal? did they even have one? i must've missed it. enlighten us please.
Well Roger..
Most people don't like it, because they believe the Democrats, NY Times, Washington Post, and others who have suggested that it will raise their taxes in order to fund tax relief for the rich and for corporations.
What happens if the Democrats, NY Times, etc... were simply blowing smoke?
What happens, if come February, the lion's share of Americans see more money in their paychecks (when they expected to see less)?
You suppose that some of these people would change their minds, if they were to actually find out that the Democrats (and cronies in the media) were not being honest?
"Oh lots of people care."
No, they don't.
Not here, not on Twitter, not on Facebook and not on the trash blog.
"Most people don't like it, because they believe the Democrats, NY Times, Washington Post, and others who have suggested that it will raise their taxes in order to fund tax relief for the rich and for corporations."
The same lies the liberals are aping here.
The 4 liberal stooges of CHT will take full advantage of every tax cut. So will all Dems in both houses that voted against it.
Al Frankin has yet to resign, his replacement has been named, what is the hold up. Is he staying to get a BIGGER Federal Retirement?
Most people don't like it, because they believe the Democrats
How does that explain all the R's who don't like it? Once again, you resort to making shit up to prove a point. You saying so don't mean crap anymore....And loretta the loser buys into your BS...again showing another feeble right wing mind without a clue...LOLOLOL
What is funny CH is how excited you were to get the busch refund and promptly spent it on chinese manufactured camping gear...Wonder if the trump break will be as much for you? LOL
WASHINGTON — Only about a third of Americans say that they will definitely or probably vote for Donald Trump if he runs for reelection in 2020, while half indicate that they’ll definitely or probably support his Democratic general election challenger, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.
The poll found that just 18 percent of those surveyed believe that they will "definitely" support Trump if he runs in the next presidential election, with another 18 percent saying that they’ll "probably" choose him. But a significant chunk — 38 percent — say they’re dead set on voting against the GOP commander-in-chief, with an additional 14 percent saying that they’ll probably vote for the Democrat on the ballot.
Roger, you said these tax cuts will starve your medicaid of critical transfers of wealth you need, how is that?
The 4 liberals will take every tax break afforded y this soon to be law.
The 4 liberals will take every tax break afforded y this soon to be law.
The Whoppers of 2017
President Trump monopolizes our list of the year’s worst falsehoods and bogus claims.
December 20, 2017
Summary
We first dubbed President Donald Trump, then just a candidate, as “King of Whoppers” in our annual roundup of notable false claims for 2015.
He dominated our list that year – and again in 2016 – but there was still plenty of room for others.
This year? The takeover is complete.
In his first year as president, Trump used his bully pulpit and Twitter account to fuel conspiracy theories, level unsubstantiated accusations and issue easily debunked boasts about his accomplishments.
And a chorus of administration officials helped in spreading his falsehoods.
Trump complained — without a shred of evidence — that massive voter fraud cost him the 2016 popular vote. He doubled down by creating the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity and appointing a vice chairman who falsely claimed to have “proof” that Democrats stole a U.S. Senate seat in New Hampshire.
Even as he mobilized the federal government to ferret out Democratic voter fraud, Trump refused to accept the U.S. intelligence community’s consensus finding that Russia interfered in the 2016 campaign.
Trump disparaged the “so-called ‘Russian hacking’” as a “hoax” and a “phony Russian Witch Hunt,” and compared the conduct of U.S. intelligence agencies to “Nazi Germany.” He then falsely accused the “dishonest” news media of making it “sound like I had a feud with the intelligence community.”
When he spoke of himself, Trump’s boastfulness went far beyond the facts.
He claimed that his inaugural crowd “went all the way back to the Washington Monument,” and sent out his press secretary to declare it the “largest audience to ever witness an inauguration, period, both in person and around the globe.” He described his tax plan as the “biggest tax cut in the history of our country,” and took credit for making the U.S. nuclear arsenal “far stronger and more powerful than ever” after seven months on the job. None of that was true.
Trump is clearly an outlier. If he and his aides were removed from our list, we would be left with a dozen or more notable falsehoods roughly equally distributed between the two parties. You’ll find those at the end of this very long list.
Forgive us for the length. But consider this: It could be even longer.
You are not on my friend list on either Facebook or Twitter. You don't know shit
Opie - So your argument is that the actual law will follow what some poll results state?
Because I am pretty sure that taxes will either go up or go down irrelevant of what polls suggest. I am pretty sure there isn't a provision in the law that waits for poll results before determining the new tax rates.
Moreover, one would suspect that any Republicans who believed that it would be a tax hike for them (because that is what they've been told) will be the first to change their minds about it, if in fact they get a tax cut.
It's the economy, stupid. If people start earning more money, and companies start earning more profits, and people get to keep a larger portion of their paychecks, they will be happy.
2018 is a political lifetime away and 2020 is several political lifetimes away.
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What happens, if come February, the lion's share of Americans see more money in their paychecks (when they expected to see less)?
You suppose that some of these people would change their minds, if they were to actually find out that the Democrats (and cronies in the media) were not being honest?
Once again you think that most people are stupid. Once they see that people like Trump, Corker and others get millions of dollars in tax reductions, they will react with the same results in reverse of 2010.
The small $40 to $60 per week, along with the deep dislike for your President will prompt the blue cloud across the country. At both the state and federal level your choice to support every fucking thigh that the President does will look foolish. In a normal time this would be foolish. But the accupent of the White House, who cannot comprehend or change his behavior will be the anchor of the sinking ship of the USS Donald J. Titanic.
So your argument is that the actual law will follow what some poll results state?
You can argue anything you want, which when in doubt, you make it up, like the above!!!! ....I will get giddy if my tax bill is reduced by the 4k I was promised...I give that the same chance of that happening to you...
It's the economy, stupid.
Idiot....the latest polls show the dems are ahead on that subject and according to KD, the trump economy is growing at record paces. Just saw trump again take credit for the dow records....just like you, full of it. LOL
2018 is a political lifetime away
Your genius is only surpassed by your arrogance, CH. LOL
The small $40 to $60 per week, along with the deep dislike for your President will prompt the blue cloud across the country
That $40-$60 a week makes all the difference in the world for many people... and given the choice between more money in their pockets and more spending on things like welfare for illegal immigrants or government grants to green companies...
They're going to prefer the money in their own pocket.
Roger...
I find it interesting that a week or so ago, you were arguing that the middle class would see a tax increase. Now you are arguing that a couple hundred bucks a month is minimal and people won't care about it.
Can I ask why you are walking back the argument that this tax reform would increase taxes on the middle class and working poor?
"The Whoppers of 2017"
Spam by the drunken creeper.
60 x 52 = $3,100
Per worker, ok Half-Bovine.
Two workers in family, it goes to $6,200. That is what your side voted against.
"Can I ask why you are walking back the argument that this tax reform would increase taxes on the middle class and working poor?"
He has no idea.
Dems folded on DACA shutdown of Fed Govt.
Lol, LOSING BIGLY!!!!
He is a dullard. He follows Pauline Krugman on facebook.
, you were arguing that the middle class would see a tax increase.
There is no argument. All the roll ups I have seen so far show that will happen in the out years. Nice try, CH.
Once again you think that most people are stupid. Once they see that people like Trump, Corker and others get millions of dollars in tax reductions, they will react with the same results in reverse of 2010.
The small $40 to $60 per week, along with the deep dislike for your President will prompt the blue cloud across the country.
Roger believes most people are like him, small, mean-spirited and envious.
In actual fact, most people could case less whether Trump, Coaker or any other rich person will benefit from the new tax law or not.
To and average working class person $40 to $60 per week means a date night at the movies, a little help in saving for that first home, and getting the kids the Christmas present they wanted.
You bet they'll notice.
"You bet they'll notice."
They sure will. That's what the three liberal stooges are afraid of.
AT&T Bonuses it's employees because of the Pres. Trump tax cut.
most people could case less whether Trump, Coaker or any other rich person will benefit from the new tax law or not.
Another speaking out of his ass for a group he has no clue about. If you don't care, you are a bigger ass hole than I thought. Keep drinking the swamp water. You are just too stupid to realize you are getting the shaft....remincs me of the kevin bacon character in Animal house asking for another shot in the ass.....Idiot.
Good evening oPie.
They'll notice for sure a year from now when their paychecks are smaller because of the higher cost of insurance swamps the little, if any, tax reduction. Because of eliminating subsidies for the poor. Then all these working class tax-payers that you folks are casually dismissing as being happy for an extra night out at Burger King will realize that they're paying more out of this hyuge tax cut, while the millionaires are still grabbing millions off the top. You think they'll still be happy?
Can any one of you list the corporate tax loopholes and exclusions being closed, as ALL previous proposals of dropping the nominal top rate had included? I know that some of you don't understand what I mean, but the rest?
Remedial math for some of you. Tax reduction for middle class workers might reach 2.5%. You're have them paying over $60K-70K in income taxes to make your estimates work.
Nonsense.
Bitter WP.
Yes, nonsense.
But, they are just beginning to fully understand what the defeat of Hillary Socialism looks like.
Huh?
Who is paying $60- 70 k in taxes???
President John F. Kennedy and President Donald Trump did the same thing to the US Tax code.
WP is in full asshole mode having lost.
"Loophole" no such thing exists in the US Tax code.
The "Freedom Caucus " Is a partisan FBI.
A highly partisan group of House Republicans has gathered secretly for weeks in the Capitol in an effort to build a case that senior leaders of the Justice Department and FBI improperly — and perhaps criminally — mishandled the contents of a dossier that describes alleged ties between President Donald Trump and Russia, according to four people familiar with their plans.
A subset of the Republican members of the House intelligence committee, led by Chairman Devin Nunes of California, has been quietly working parallel to the committee's high-profile inquiry into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election. They haven't informed Democrats about their plans, but they have consulted with the House's general counsel.
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The people familiar with Nunes' plans said the goal is to highlight what some committee Republicans see as corruption and conspiracy in the upper ranks of federal law enforcement. The group hopes to release a report early next year detailing their concerns about the DOJ and FBI, and they might seek congressional votes to declassify elements of their evidence.
That final product could ultimately be used by Republicans to discredit special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into whether any Trump aides colluded with Russia during the 2016 campaign — or possibly even to justify his dismissal, as some rank-and-file Republicans and Trump allies have demanded. (The president has said he is not currently considering firing Mueller.)
Republicans in the Nunes-led group suspect the FBI and DOJ have worked either to hurt Trump or aid his former campaign rival Hillary Clinton, a sense that has pervaded parts of the president’s inner circle. Trump has long called the investigations into whether Russia meddled in the 2016 election a “witch hunt,” and on Tuesday, his son Donald Trump Jr. told a crowd in Florida the probes were part of a “rigged system” by “people at the highest levels of government” who were working to hurt the president.
The sources familiar with the separate inquiry said it was born out of steadily building frustration with the Justice Department's refusal to share details of the way the Trump dossier was used to launch the FBI's investigation of his campaign team last year — or whether it was the basis for any court-ordered surveillance of Trump associates.
The group is relying on the same documents and testimony provided by top Obama administration officials — such as former acting attorney general Sally Yates, former attorney general Loretta Lynch and former UN ambassador Samantha Power — who were grilled as part of the intelligence committee's broader Russia probe.
It's unclear how many members of the intelligence committee are participating in the side effort. Lawmakers on the full committee interviewed by POLITICO refused to discuss it.
"I don't talk about what we do behind closed doors," said Rep. Mike Conaway (R-Texas), who's leading the intelligence committee's bipartisan Russia probe. "I'm not going to talk about that," said Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.), another member of the panel.
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A congressional aide with knowledge of the meetings said Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) was not among the participants. ”While he does believe the FBI and DOJ have recently made decisions worth looking into, he is and will always be a defender of the FBI, DOJ and the special counsel," the aide said.
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Nunes' office declined to comment about the effort, but he has aired his suspicions about the law enforcement agencies before.
"I hate to use the word corrupt, but they’ve become at least so dirty that who’s watching the watchmen? Who’s investigating these people?" he said in a Fox News interview earlier this month. "There is no one."
DOJ and FBI officials also declined to comment. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein defended the FBI and Mueller's team at a recent hearing on Capitol Hill. "The special counsel investigation is not a witch hunt," he said.
Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee, said he wasn't aware of the Nunes effort but said it fit with what he sees as an increasingly destructive bent in Republicans’ rhetoric and actions.
"I think what we are seeing in our committee ... is an effort to attack the Department of Justice, an effort to attack the FBI, to attack Bob Mueller, is an effort to undermine the investigations and these institutions out of fear of what they’ll find and try to discredit them in advance," he said. "It’s a pernicious thing to do that will ultimately inflict long-term damage on these institutions."
The Nunes-led group is the latest evidence of an increasingly toxic and bruising confrontation between Republicans on Capitol Hill and the highest ranks of the justice system. Some Hill Republicans are irate about the Justice Department's refusal to provide more details about its investigation of Trump associates' ties to Russia. They're also frothing over the FBI's handling of the Trump-Russia dossier, which GOP lawmakers have openly mocked as "discredited" and "disproven.”
In recent weeks, GOP lawmakers have berated top Justice Department officials and threatened to hold them in contempt of Congress, and a couple of rank-and-file members described ongoing investigations of Trump associates in startling terms — including as a potential "coup" attempt. On Wednesday, Fox News reported that Nunes intends to subpoena senior FBI agents connected to the dossier.
Earlier this week, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) called for the FBI's deputy director, Andrew McCabe, to be replaced amid claims by Republicans of anti-Trump bias infecting the bureau. And Gowdy, the chairman of the House oversight committee, joined House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte on Tuesday to request interviews with senior FBI officials as early as Thursday — which some lawmakers say is the precursor to subpoenas.
Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee
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also the top leaker to CNN. and it's starting to get noticed. schitt is on the thinnest of thin ice right now and he knows it.
you keep hopping from thread to thread, alky. seeking a safe space, are ya?
LOL.
"WP is in full asshole mode having lost."
He certainly doesn't know what he thinks he knows.
I'll take him over James and Roger any day of the week.
At least he respects the blog, doesn't spam every damn thread like James and Roger.
"you keep hopping from thread to thread, alky. seeking a safe space, are ya?"
Looking for attention.
Pitiful, really.
Correct in that I have no knowledge of anything that I've been wrong about here recently.
Are you guys still going on with the myth of the US having the highest corporate tax rate?
Here is a summary (If you don't want to read it, it basically shows that you guys are waaay off base)
https://www.npr.org/2017/08/07/541797699/fact-check-does-the-u-s-have-the-highest-corporate-tax-rate-in-the-world
"The long answer:
The U.S. has the highest top corporate tax rate at least among advanced economies. Compared with nations in the OECD — the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, a group of highly developed countries — the U.S. has the highest top corporate tax rate in the world. The top corporate tax rate in the U.S., a combination of federal and state and local taxes, is nearly 39 percent this year. That's well above most other OECD nations."
https://www.npr.org/2017/08/07/541797699/fact-check-does-the-u-s-have-the-highest-corporate-tax-rate-in-the-world
Or is it the issue of the Special Investigator's access to TTT emails?
Does the 4th Amendment apply to private emails in general? I say yes, and cite the famous United States v. Warshak.
Government served emails are a little less clear. A different legal standard was applied in O'Connor v. Ortega, regarding the privacy of publicly employed. The main thrust here is with regards to "workplace policy" - eg, you're SOL.
The thing that complicates this question is whether you consider it in the public-sector or private sector context. I haven't even gone into this since CH et al haven't gotten past the first steps yet, let alone nuances like this. There are two directions here, depending on which, and both ultimately resolve against Trump; but it doesn't matter since Trump's lawyers are making a different (dubious) argument based on Quon v. Arch Wireless, (which extended privacy rights based on an "informal understanding" where the bosses verbally told employees that they don't read the emails)
I think this "informal understanding" is extremely weak in the case of GSA email accounts, because GSA officials deny it. Technically, GSA consent is sufficient (without a warrant) because of the policy and because of the prior notification.
Granting for the sake of argument, government searches of computers and data are allowed without a warrant, even when there is an expectation of privacy, as long as there is reasonable suspicion of workplace misconduct. So even if transition employees DID have some 4th amendment protections (for the sake of argument), Mueller still probably doesn't need a warrant under the workplace framework. Given GSA cooperation, he probably doesn't even need the misconduct (although he almost certainly had a reasonable basis to believe misconduct).
So please, in that reasoning, what exactly is it that I "think I know" but really don't?
You should understand that "the top corporate tax rate" of 39% is the nominal top tax rate, and not what Corporations actually pay. It's only one factor in calculating corporate taxes, and is cut in half by the time the check is signed.
The 18% is the percentage of total revenue, of all corporations. Some pay more, others less, perhaps some pay zero and a few pay the 39%. There is disparity in effective rates. Disparity leads to free market distortions (and BAD tax policy). Therefore simply reducing the top nominal tax rate does NOT resolve the distorting disparities, UNLESS you also eliminate the special exemptions and loopholes that allow corporations to cut their actual tax bill in half.
Factor in the deductions etc and:
Argentina is highest at 22.6%
Japan 21.7%
UK 18.7%
US 18.6%
Brazil 17%
Germany 15.5%
As you can see, US taxes are at the high end, but they are NOT the highest in the world and certainly not any 39%.
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