Trump is not responsible for the Russians meddling of the election... he never was.
The Obama Justice Department, the FBI, the CIA, and everyone else responsible for our national security back in 2016 is responsible. Why this seems relatively hard for people to grasp is what is otherwise known as cognitive dissonance. In this case, specifically a belief disconfirmation of a cult-like nature.
Isn't it interesting that the very people responsible for counter-intelligence, preventing our national security interests from being compromised, and protecting the American public, are now the very people trying to pass blame to someone who wasn't even in charge when any of this happened? They all conveniently point their finger at the big, bad, boogie man himself... Donald Trump. He's the one to blame! Oh, and btw... they will all tell you that he is a dumb incompetent buffoon, but it's their argument that he has been outsmarting them all six ways from Sunday. But, hey, maybe they can string him up for something like obstruction.
Moreover, those who were actually responsible for allowing the Russians to meddle, are ironically the very ones doing the lion's share of the investigation. They are in fact investigating their own paid for claims that it wasn't them who was responsible. They would like us to believe that it was an illegal conspiracy. In fact, they've been trying to prove that it wasn't their fault for nearly two years now, and are still drawing a blank.
Interestingly, almost nobody on the left sees a problem with any of this.
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Everyone who was involved with the meddling, at any time, wittingly or witless, was responsible for it. You might say that there are varying levels of responsibility, and the FBI should have been more pro-active, but those more directly involved have greater responsibility IMO.
And it should be noted, we don't know yet that members of the Trump campaign are not among the willing conspirators mentioned in the latest indictment. Odds are, there will be coming indictments of US citizens.
And it should be noted, we don't know yet that members of the Trump campaign are not among the willing conspirators mentioned in the latest indictment. Odds are, there will be coming indictments of US citizens.
and at the pace of the investigation, we should see those indictments around 2024.
so let's see...
we've gone from "colluding" to "meddling," and indictments have been issued for basically "trolling."
hmmm...
the direction that this is going does not inspire confidence.
unless you're donald trump.
heh.
Interestingly, almost nobody on the left sees a problem with any of this.
on the contrary, they're doubling down. or tripling. quadrupling? i've lost count:
MSDNC's ari melber -
Existential threat to Trump presidency in new Mueller indictment?
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/existential-threat-trump-presidency-mueller-170919869.html
you see, mueller has trump dead to rights. i mean he's really got him. ironclad case.
existentially speaking of course.
he's just waiting for that perfect time to spring his trap and bring him down. like serious guys.
And it should be noted, we don't know yet that members of the Trump campaign are not among the willing conspirators mentioned in the latest indictment.
Rod Rosenstein stated the opposite. According to him,the indictment did not implicate any Americans. If Americans were the involved and implicated (even as unnamed conspirators) that would suggest that the Assistant A.G. who is overseeing his investigation got up on front of the American public...
and flat out lied.
The more reasonable explanation is that you are suffering from a little more cognitive dissonance.
Do you understand that there is a difference between responsible or participant?
Collusion is participating in an illegal operation.
It's well established that the Russians set up a plan to intervene in the American electoral system, in 2014. In no way in the report issued on Friday, even said there was any collusion. But in no way does that report or anything else to make the claims repeatedly that it was s "Hoax" or an "excuse" created by the Democrats to attack the President. The Russian intervention ended up being an attack on the election in favor of then candidate, Donald J.Trump.
"Moreover, those who were actually responsible for allowing the Russians to meddle, are ironically the very ones doing the lion's share of the investigation. "
You are saying that the FBI and the DOJ are the ones responsible for the Russian intervention into the 2016 election?
What are you on?
You are saying that the FBI and the DOJ are the ones responsible for the Russian intervention into the 2016 election?
It happened on their watch, Roger.
Didn't it?
Muellers indictment shows that this has been going on for years, right under the noses of our intelligence agencies, and they apparently didn't notice, wasn't able to figure it out, or perhaps didn't really care that much.
Russian meddling also affected the 2014 election as well. Why was their no big investigations into Russian meddling in 2014? Why is it that they waited until they could figure out a way to tie the investigation to Donald Trump, that it suddenly became important.
Rod Rosenstein stated the opposite. According to him,the indictment did not implicate any Americans. If Americans were the involved and implicated (even as unnamed conspirators) that would suggest that the Assistant A.G. who is overseeing his investigation got up on front of the American public...
and flat out lied.
The more reasonable explanation is that you are suffering from a little more cognitive dissonance.
I'd say it's gone to full blown, tin hat, Mel Gibson, conspiracy theory territory.
There's no reasoning with these people.
You are saying that the FBI and the DOJ are the ones responsible for the Russian intervention into the 2016 election?
well, it did happen on THEIR WATCH now, didn't it???
geezus alky, in liberal land isn't anyone in government ever responsible for anything???
had 0linsky not politically weaponized them both to pursue his political enemies instead of letting them do the jobs they were originally charged with, it's conceivable that russia (to the extent that it actually did) would not have been able to interfere, meddle, or whatever the mueller word of the day is to describe what they did.
and just think - if we had an FBI focused on law enforcement instead of politics, 17 children might be alive today.
Muellers indictment shows that this has been going on for years, right under the noses of our intelligence agencies, and they apparently didn't notice, wasn't able to figure it out, or perhaps didn't really care that much.
clapper would've known, if only diane sawyer had told him about it.
you know, when you stop and really think about it, the sum total of the 0linsky administration really only excelled at one thing - the politics of personal destruction. land on their enemies list and they would go to the ends of the earth to destroy you, but when it came to just a competent level of governing, they simply were not capable. or just didn't fucking care.
Why is it that they waited until they could figure out a way to tie the investigation to Donald Trump, that it suddenly became important.
because felonia von pantsuit couldn't even manage to win an election that was totally fixed in her favor.
as a candidate she sucked THAT BADLY.
so here we are.
Trump never takes responsibility for anything bad.
He takes responsibility for following Obama
Yes, we knew that. Everyone knew about it and we were investigating it for quite some time. But we had no idea at the time they came to the US for what reasons. They didn't paint "We are out to elect Trump" on the front door. It was a clandestine operation. Guess what? The Russians are pretty good at that. We had people inside,it looks like it, later on, but again, the intent was concealed.
Then here you go with the secret society bullshit..they waited until they could figure out a way to tie the investigation to Donald Trump, that it suddenly became important.
It became more important after the Popdopolis meeting and what it really should bother you but you are in total denial, that the July meeting that had "Shit" on Clinton should bother you, but Trump is innocent and is being framed, for something he didn't do.
It was a clandestine operation. Guess what? The Russians are pretty good at that.
really???
hey alky, "the 80's called. they want their foreign policy back."
Rosenstein noted that the Russians "took extraordinary steps to make it appear that they were ordinary American political activists."
Your conspiracy theory is just that, a theory.
Hey CH. The alky bullshit needs to go away .
The Trump campaign both openly and covertly invited the Russians to meddle. The Trump campaign jumped at the chance to collude.
A failed attempt to commit a crime is still a crime in many cases. And the Trumps and their cohorts are responsible for that attempt.
Another pnc bowl of bullshit.
There's a reason why there's no evidence.
Otoh, there's a boatload of evidence against hillary.
Another CH pile of abject stupid bullshit....
Let's be clear...
Trump is not responsible for the Russians meddling of the election... he never was.
CH, he ain't responsible for shit!!!! Of course it is Obama's fault, he's kenyan!!!! Of course Hillary did. Imagine if you guys used your brain and processed facts instead of abetting Putin....he sure did win you idiots....
CH needs a remedial reading course with this lie.....
According to him,the indictment did not implicate any Americans
It mentioned co conspirators;.....figure it out genius, you are a smart guy once a century.....The ground work was set for more prosecutions and indictments.....
Co-conspirators could be other Russians or a certain former British MI 6 officer.
Shit for brains.
Alky you said this President would not make it a year.
Want to give us the next time he will be out of office?
Rosenstein noted that the Russians "took extraordinary steps to make it appear that they were ordinary American political activists."
Excellent so they looked like blackliesmurders. OccupyAlky or Antifa. Or a more garden type leftist.
Indy dropped in to show his not-so-indy side.
oPie is attempting to time warp and blame President Trump for not protecting the 2016 election as far back as the fall of 2013.
" The alky bullshit needs to go away" crippled drunk.
Everyday you name call, and every day you show your bleeding mangina.
Nikolas Cruz, the 19-year-old who confessed to killing 17 people at a Florida high school this week, was part of a private group chat in which he and five other people frequently shared racist comments, memes, and videos, CNN reported.
Cruz often discussed his hatred for minorities, including Mexicans, black people, Jews, gays, and immigrants.
In the days since the massacre, students, teachers, and neighbors have described Cruz as an isolated individual with violent tendencies.
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commensa told us Cruz was not a white supremacist.
According to the messages, Cruz said he wanted to kill Mexicans and gays and keep black people in chains. He also accused Jews of trying to destroy the world. Cruz named the group chat, "Murica [American flag emoji] [eagle emoji] great," the report said.
The group involved Cruz and five other people who CNN said appeared to be under the age of 18. In addition to denigrating minority groups and immigrants, members posted hundreds of racist messages, memes, and videos to the private chat.
Cruz reportedly said he hated black people simply because of the color of their skin. When a member of the chat group mentioned gay people, Cruz replied, "Shoot them in the back of the head."
While all the participants espoused overtly racist beliefs and demonstrated an obsession with violence and guns, Cruz appeared to be the most extreme.
In one exchange that CNN reported, a fellow group member said that although he hated black people too, it wasn't "to a point I wanna kill the [sic] like nick."
He posted a picture of himself wearing a Make America
Great Again Trump hat
He wasn't a member of the ROF white Supremacist group.
Their leader lied to the press much as you lied to the blog. The diffrence is that nobody here believes you.
While the entire liberal news media eat up his lie without bothering to check it out.
It sure the media in now secured in their superiority that Cruz was a young man full of hate and evil.
But we knew that already. And so did the FBI far before the shooting occured.
According to the messages, Cruz said he wanted to kill Mexicans and gays and keep black people in chains.
And yet all of his victims were white. Please stop this, you're really making an ass of yourself.
I never said he was not a white supremacist. You did
Top GOP Donor Demands Action on Assault Weapons
Al Hoffman, a prominent Republican political donor, “demanded that the party pass legislation to restrict access to guns, and vowed not to contribute to any candidates or electioneering groups that did not support a ban on the sale of military-style firearms to civilians,” the New York Times reports.
Said Hoffman: “For how many years now have we been doing this — having these experiences of terrorism, mass killings — and how many years has it been that nothing’s been done? It’s the end of the road for me.”
I never said he was not a white supremacist. You did
I never characterized him one way or the other.
Your syphilis is progressing.
Trump Lashes Out After Mueller Indictment
President Trump lashed out on Twitter at suggestions that Russia helped him win the presidency, reiterating that a new federal indictment showed no evidence of collusion between his campaign and the Kremlin.
Said Trump: “Funny how the Fake News Media doesn’t want to say that the Russian group was formed in 2014, long before my run for President. Maybe they knew I was going to run even though I didn’t know!”
BUT
According to the Los Angeles Times, Trump traveled to New Hampshire in January 2014 to speak at a breakfast series for possible presidential candidates.
Only one little tiny wennie ittsie bittsie problem .
He is not.
---Commensa
The fucking "pastor" james boswell continues his non-stop political_lire spamming.
Must suck not to be able to follow a thread or think for yourself.
Guess you are too old now to even try and think for yourself.
ROFLMFAO !!!
Guess I needed to use my other moniker
ROFLMFAO !!!
James said...
Only one little tiny wennie ittsie bittsie problem .
He is not.
---Commensa
I knew being the dishonest piece of shit you are you would quoted it out of context and selectively edit it. Here's the entire post:
I quoted this from KD's post
Shooter Nikolas Cruz Linked to White Supremacist Group
Newsweek Cristina Maza,Newsweek 1 hour 43 minutes ago "
Only one little tiny wennie ittsie bittsie problem .
He is not. So says local police.
This was my comment:
Yeah you could see that coming when the news media latched on to a publicity hungry blowhard without checking it out.
Not exactly Edward R. Murrow these days.
Don't ever try to claim the moral high ground again pastor piece of shit. You have forfeited any moral standing with this stunt. You are a disgrace to your flock and the pseudo religion you serve.
Prominent Republican Donor Issues Ultimatum on Assault Weapons
That donor is going to find out he can only deliver money.
The NRA can deliver voters and money.
Commensa quoted Cowardly approvingl.
Moral high ground indeed.
*approvingly
Let's be clear...
Trump is not responsible for the Russians meddling of the election... he never was
That's what this thread is about.
even second graders should be able to comprehend that.
Apparently not the spamming "pastor" james boswell, normal Illinois.
He just cut-n-pastes whatever is posted on political_lire
The lowest piece of shit on the planet.
very old
very tired
Commensa quoted Cowardly approvingl.
There goes your syphilis again. I did not quote Cowardly.
I really do believe tertiary syphilis is taking your mind away from you.
Pretty soon you'll be crapping in your bed.
James never stops lying.
You can take Jane to the truth, but, hed will refuse them..CS has provided the qoutes and jane still FUBAR'ed it.
According to him,the indictment did not implicate any Americans
Actually, that was according to asst. A.G. Rod Rosenstein, the person who is supervising the Mueller probe, and ultimately approved the indictment.
It's still the best of all possible Trumpism infested swamps on the internet in Minnesota.
Rod Rosenstein stated the opposite.
Look more closely. Rosenstein did not exonerate anyone. He didn't say that anyone was not involved. He did say that the most recent indictment did not include any American citizens.
We had this same conversation on the last indictment, and on the one before that. Now, as then, neither Trump nor any of his associates are exonerated by not appearing on these specific indictments.
Mueller to be fair will be charging Hillary's and Obama 's team when?
Or do they get a pass?
Asst. A.G. Rod Rosenstein
Now, there is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election."
Very stupid of Team Trump/Fox to claim latest Mueller indictments “vindicate” them: that talking point may gain them 24 hours self-reassurance, but also self-undercuts any basis to fire Mueller between now & next indictments. Mueller thought of that. Trump didn’t.
What is plan "b" if you can't get President Trump by Mueller?
ROD ROSENSTEIN: The indictment charges 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies for committing federal crimes while seeking to interfere in the United States political system, including the 2016 presidential election.
The defendants allegedly conducted what they called information warfare against the United States, with the stated goal of spreading distrust towards the candidates and the political system in general.
According to the allegations in the indictment, 12 of the individual defendants worked, at various times, for a company called Internet Research Agency, LLC, a Russian company based in St. Petersburg.
The other individual defendant, Yevgeny Viktorovich Prigozhin, funded the conspiracy through companies known as Concord Management and Consulting, LLC; Concord Catering; and many affiliates and subsidiaries. The conspiracy was part of a larger operation called Project Lakhta. Project Lakhta included multiple components, some involving domestic audiences within the Russian Federation, and others targeting foreign audiences in multiple countries.
Internet Research Agency allegedly operated through Russian shell companies. It employed hundreds of people in its online operations, ranging from creators of fictitious personas, to technical and administrative support personnel, with an annual budget of millions of dollars.
Internet Research Agency was a structured organization headed by a management group and arranged into departments, including graphics, search engine optimization, information technology and finance departments.
In 2014, the company established a translator project focused on the United States. In July of 2016, more than 80 employees were assigned to the translator project. Two of the defendants allegedly traveled to the United States in 2014 to collect intelligence for their American influence operations.
In order to hide the Russian origins of their activities, the departments allegedly purchased space on computer servers located here in the United States in order to set up a virtual private network. The defendants allegedly used that infrastructure to establish hundreds of accounts on social media networks such as Facebook, Instagram and Twitter, making it appear that those accounts were controlled by persons located in the United States.
They used stolen or fictitious American identities, fraudulent bank accounts and false identification documents. The defendants posed as politically and socially active Americans, advocating for and against particular candidates. They established social media pages and groups to communicate with unwitting Americans. They also purchased political advertisements on social media networks.
The Russians also recruited and paid real Americans to engage in political activities, promote political campaigns and stage political rallies. The defendants and their co-conspirators pretended to be grassroots activists. According to the indictment, the Americans did not know that they were communicating with Russians.
After the election, the defendants allegedly staged rallies to support the president-elect, while simultaneously staging rallies to protest his election. For example, the defendants organized one rally to support the president-elect and another rally to oppose him, both in New York, on the same day.
On September 13th of 2017, soon after the news media reported that the special counsel's office was investigating evidence that Russian operatives had used social media to interfere with the 2016 election, one defendant allegedly wrote, quote, "We had a slight crisis here at work. The FBI busted our activity. So I got preoccupied with covering tracks together with my colleagues," end quote.
The indictment includes eight criminal counts. Count one alleges a criminal conspiracy to defraud the United States by all of the defendants. The defendants allegedly conspired to defraud America by impairing the lawful functions of the Federal Election Commission, the United States Department of Justice and the Department of State.
Those organizations of the U.S. government are responsible for administering federal requirements for disclosure of foreign involvement in certain domestic activities.
Count two charges conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud by Internet Research Agency and two of the individual defendants. And counts three through eight charge aggravated identity theft by Internet Research Agency and four individuals.
Now, there is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election.
I want to caution you that everyone changed with a crime is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty in court. At trial, prosecutors must introduce credible evidence that is sufficient to prove each defendant guilty beyond any reasonable doubt to a unanimous jury. The special counsel's investigation is ongoing. There will be no comments from the special counsel at this time.
This indictment serves as a reminder that people are not always who they appear to be on the internet. The indictment alleges that the Russian conspirators want to promote discord in the United States and undermine public confidence in democracy. We must not allow them to succeed.
The Department of Justice will continue to work cooperatively with other law enforcement and intelligence agencies and with the Congress to defend our nation against similar current and future efforts.
I want to thank the federal agents and prosecutors who are working on this case for their exceptional service, and I'll be happy to take a few questions.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/17/donald-melania-trump-visit-victims-first-responders-law-officials-florida-shooting/
Did Alky just now sober up?
Lol, a child was in the white house.
"Obama says he told Putin to ‘cut it out’ on Russia hacking
By LOUIS NELSON 12/16/2016 03:08 PM EST Updated 12/16/2016 04:24 PM EST
President Barack Obama said Friday that he told Russian President Vladimir Putin in September to “cut it out” in regard to allegations that his nation engaged in cyberattacks against the U.S. electoral process. Obama added that further hacking by Russia did not occur following Obama’s admonition."
Now, there is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election.
I want to caution you that everyone changed with a crime is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty in court. At trial, prosecutors must introduce credible evidence that is sufficient to prove each defendant guilty beyond any reasonable doubt to a unanimous jury. The special counsel's investigation is ongoing. There will be no comments from the special counsel at this time.
This in no way does it say," Now, there is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election.
I want to caution you that everyone changed with a crime is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty in court. At trial, prosecutors must introduce credible evidence that is sufficient to prove each defendant guilty beyond any reasonable doubt to a unanimous jury. The special counsel's investigation is ongoing. There will be no comments from the special counsel at this time.
It's far from over. And while Trump will be presumed innocent, until his trial.
4,593 days one day at a time K'putz.
CH was following orders.
@realDonaldTrump
Funny how the Fake News Media doesn’t want to say that the Russian group was formed in 2014, long before my run for President. Maybe they knew I was going to run even though I didn’t know!
@realDonaldTrump
Funny how the Fake News Media doesn’t want to say that the Russian group was formed in 2014, long before my run for President. Maybe they knew I was going to run even though I didn’t know!
Seigh Heil.
Trump is not responsible for the Russians meddling of the election... he never was.
Responsible...
Tell us please, who has ever said that Trump is (responsible) for the Russian meddling?
Look more closely. Rosenstein did not exonerate anyone. He didn't say that anyone was not involved. He did say that the most recent indictment did not include any American citizens.
We had this same conversation on the last indictment, and on the one before that. Now, as then, neither Trump nor any of his associates are exonerated by not appearing on these specific indictments.
Last time I checked Trump is an American citizen. So are most of his associates.
Certainly all of his senior campaign staff (There this pesky law of questionable constitutionality.)
Even the ones that were illegally wiretapped.
This is a pathetic clinging to a conspiracy theory in the face of facts debunking it.
This is not reasonable or logical, it is tin hat territory.
Shit for brains menstral cramps stated....
Co-conspirators could be other Russians or a certain former British MI 6 officer.
Or a 400lb American eating cheetos in his mothers basement.....Wow, you sure are impressive with your brilliant insight for the obvious .....LOLOL
Except Rosenstein said no Americans were knowingly involved.
You have to know there's a conspiracy and have to willingly participate.
What part of that didn't you get? Shit for brains.
Maybe menstral will be one of the unwitting co conspirator....heavy on the unwitting...LOLOLOL
No names revealed of who Russians contacted. As the indictment detailed efforts by the Russians to set up events for Trump supporters in Florida, there were contacts made with people on the Trump Campaign. The indictment doesn’t list the names of those who were contacted by the ‘joshmilton024@gmail.com’ account – instead, they are referred to as “Campaign Official 1,” “Campaign Official 2” and so on. But let me play devil’s advocate for a minute. Why not reveal who those people were? Is it really that big of a deal?
It ain't close to over....Saw btw that floriduh social services visited the shooter and deemed him nutty, but not a threat....Wonder if trump will now blame Scott for the failure like he did with the FBI?????
It ain't close to over....Saw btw that floriduh social services visited the shooter and deemed him nutty, but not a threat.
It wasn't social services who deem him nutty but not a threat. It was the psychiatrist at the mental health facility who made that call.
And that call was that he was not enough of a threat to himself or society to commit him to an inpatient facility.
The patient rights act under Carter freed a lot of people from inpatient mental facilities.
The unintended consequence of it was that a lot more people are not given the treatment they needed. Along with a staggering increase in homelessness and the closer of inpatient facilities.
Something interesting that is being minimally reported. The judge in the flynn plea has been replaced. The new judge is named Sullivan. You may remember him as the judge who discovered that the doj was withholding evidence that would have exonerated ted Stevens. He has now ordered mueller to turn over ALL evidence.
Another wheel comes off the mueller clown car.
The more we hear about russia, going back to 2013, the more ignorant obama looks in his criticism of Romney warning about russia.
All these scandals now surfacing are revealing the obama administration to be the most corrupt in history.
Tell us please, who has ever said that Trump is (responsible) for the Russian meddling?
you did alky.
about a million times.
Menstral our huge cramp said incorrectly
It wasn't social services who deem him nutty but not a threat.
You really make an easy target....idiot...
Gunman Was Called Low Risk After Visit by Social Services
By AUDRA D. S. BURCH, FRANCES ROBLES and PATRICIA MAZZEI
After visiting Nikolas Cruz, the suspect in the Parkland, Fla., school shooting, at his home in 2016, the state’s Department of Children and Families determined that he was not a risk to himself or others.
Last time I checked Trump is an American citizen. So are most of his associates. ...
yhis is a pathetic clinging to a conspiracy theory in the face of facts debunking it.
CS, He only stated that, for that specific indictment only, that only Russians were charged and no Americans. He said that in future indictments, other conspirators may be charged.
I think you have misread both the Rosenstein statement and my own. You thought that he said, in the indictment, that no Americans were involved the meddling, But if you'll read it again, it says IN THIS INDICTMENT no Americans are charged.
Funny that Trump reacted exactly as I predicted. He tweets "AND NO Collusion" and claims to be exonerated. Someone please tell Trump (and his supporters) that not every indictment must be an exhaustive list of everyone guilty of those crimes. It's not necessarily even the final list of crimes for the people indicted.
Gee Dennis, I wonder why you left this part out.
The report noted that a mental health center had been contacted in the past to detain Mr. Cruz under Florida’s Baker Act, which allows the state to hospitalize people for several days if they are a threat to themselves or others. The center determined that he was not such a threat. Had Mr. Cruz been involuntarily committed, state law could have prohibited him from buying a firearm.
You are as dishonest as James is.
Off topic...
After having Gus Kenworthy and nbc pushing his gay pride in our faces all week, he just finished last in the ski slopestyle competition.
Oh darn.
But if you'll read it again, it says IN THIS INDICTMENT no Americans are charged.
"More to come." Is the shriek of retreat.
Why do think they indicted now? If there was an ongoing investigation they would held off until all the players are identified and a case is made against them.
And considering the people indicted are all out of reach of American justice the didn't indict to put pressure on them to turn.
In most cases indictments singles an end to the investigation. As much as you fervently hope there is "more to come", I don't think you'll get your wish.
Someone please tell Trump (and his supporters) that not every indictment must be an exhaustive list of everyone guilty of those crimes. It's not necessarily even the final list of crimes for the people indicted.
well wp, i suppose folks are starting to wonder when, if ever, an indictment will be handed down by mueller that actually has trump's name on it. at the snails pace of this "investigation" some of the more aged members of mueller's team, including mueller himself, may start to expire before this matter is ever concluded.
it's becoming comical. it truly is.
Menstral asks another stupid question that does not change the fact the State of Floriduh fucked up and Trump blamed the FBI You really are amusing cramps, and stupid....LOL
Gee Dennis, I wonder why you left this part out.
Does not negate the state fucked up, does it cramps.....dayum your dog has more brains than you...
He said that in future indictments, other conspirators may be charged.
wp, have the "conspirators" to be charged in those "future indictments" even been born yet?
just curious.
And our menstral cramp omits this from his post.....
He said that in future indictments, other conspirators may be charged.
You are about as honest as the idiots from kansas..And still no complaint about Putin and his meddling from our idiot in chief....
wp, have the "conspirators" to be charged in those "future indictments" even been born yet?
just curious.
We have heard "more to come" for that last eighteen months and what we have is not very much.
It's time to put up or shut up.
menstral the cramp again forgets we have been hearing for over a year the the russian investigation is hoax....they put up and trump remains shut up and changed the subjectt.....
We have heard "more to come" for that last eighteen months and what we have is not very much. It's time to put up or shut up.
It's time to put up or shut up.
ah, but that's the beauty of this investigation. some fucking genius, (rosenstein?) gave mueller a blank check and an open timeline. theoretically this "investigation" could go on for half a century and cost a trillion dollars.
typical government. embark on a mission with no stated goal and no stated measurable result to track the progress.
and american imbeciles like the alky cheer them on.
Put up what Dennis? Is there any evidence of collusion?
No, all you have is RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA, and when ask "Where's the beef?" The answer is always "more to come".
It's long past the time for "more to come" put up or shut up.
Actually, Mueller indicted the Russians only for violating 18 U.S.C. §371 (conspiracy to defraud the United States), §§ 1343 and 1344 (wire fraud and bank fraud), and §1082(A) (identity theft). He did not indict them for violating 52 U.S.C. §30121 (contributions and donations by foreign nationals). The question is, why not? Here, I think Barnes supplies the answer, although again I do not think his explanation is technically accurate.
This is the relevant language of 52 U.S.C. §30121, which covers “meddling” in U.S. elections by foreign nationals:
(a) Prohibition: It shall be unlawful for—
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
The Russians obviously violated this statute; they spent millions of dollars to promote the candidacies of Bernie Sanders, Donald Trump and Jill Stein, and to oppose the candidacies of Hillary Clinton, Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio. So why weren’t they charged with the most pertinent crime they committed? Because Christopher Steele arguably violated the same law. He is a foreign national, and he contributed a “thing of value” to the Hillary Clinton campaign, namely the fake dossier.
Note, too, Section (2): it is a crime to “solicit, accept, or receive” such a contribution from a foreign national. Isn’t that what the Perkins, Coie law firm, the Clinton campaign, the DNC, and probably Hillary herself, did?
[...]
I don’t doubt that election lawyers could come up with defenses for Christopher Steele, were he to be charged with violating §30121. But that is a can of worms that Mueller didn’t want to open. Too many people know the facts behind the Steele dossier, and if he had charged the Russians with meddling in the presidential election under §30121, he soon would have faced questions about why he didn’t indict Steele–and Glenn Simpson, Perkins, Coie, Clinton campaign officials, and perhaps Clinton–for the same offense.
It was in order to avoid that pitfall, I suspect, that Mueller overlooked the most relevant federal offense that the Russians committed, and instead charged them with a vague “conspiracy to defraud,” along with wire fraud, bank fraud and identity theft. The first charge is entirely discretionary on Mueller’s part, and Steele didn’t commit wire fraud, bank fraud or identity theft.
I think that is why Mueller chose not to indict the Russians for meddling in a U.S. presidential election.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/02/why-mueller-didnt-indict-the-russians-for-meddling-in-the-presidential-election.php
rat the hole thinks the world is his oyster posted
and american imbeciles like the alky cheer them on.
My guess is you have underestimated the support of this investigation by a factor of 250 million or so.....The imbeciles on the right have been so taken over by lies, they do not see the truth even when it is stuck up their stinky asses....LOLOLOL
http://www.newsweek.com/robert-mueller-donald-trump-approval-rating-russia-investigation-756404
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title);
IMO this is the part of the code that runs afoul of the 1st amendment.
Rat hole again posts what others think since he can't express himself in anything more than a single sentence insult....idiot
I think that is why Mueller chose not to indict the Russians for meddling in a U.S. presidential election.
I think you are an idiot, hole....
Menstral the cramp posts an opinion that matters only if he were sitting on the bench....
IMO this is the part of the code that runs afoul of the 1st amendment.
IMHO, me thinks your opinion is a pipe dream .....
Now that Adam Schiff is starting to blame President Obama for Russian meddling in the election, he is probably doing so as yet another excuse that the Democrats, lead by their fearless leader, Crooked Hillary Clinton, lost the 2016 election. But wasn’t I a great candidate?
I never said Russia did not meddle in the election, I said “it may be Russia, or China or another country or group, or it may be a 400 pound genius sitting in bed and playing with his computer.” The Russian “hoax” was that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia - it never did!
General McMaster forgot to say that the results of the 2016 election were not impacted or changed by the Russians and that the only Collusion was between Russia and Crooked H, the DNC and the Dems. Remember the Dirty Dossier, Uranium, Speeches, Emails and the Podesta Company!
Trump was lying in bed and McMaeterbating.
There'a thing call twitter that everybody can read for themselves Roger.
Just in case you didn't know.
IMO this is the part of the code that runs afoul of the 1st amendment.
only if one would afford a foreign national the protections of our constitution.
Blogger Commonsense said...
There'a thing call twitter that everybody can read for themselves Roger.
Just in case you didn't know.
for the alky to encapsulate an original thought into a comment of his own is a bridge too far.
I posted them so CH would have his marching orders.
Happy Sunday
Gym rat to go!
IN THIS INDICTMENT no Americans are charged. Rosenstein.
wp.
Washington, D.C. – A new poll reveals that the majority of the American public believes the Obama administration’s national security apparatus “improperly surveilled” then-candidate Donald Trump’s campaign staff, according to the latest Investor’s Business Daily/TIPP poll.
The public survey showed that more than half of those surveyed would also like to see a second special prosecutor appointed to investigate potential impropriety on the part of the U.S. Department of Justice and the FBI in relation to spying on the Trump team.
The poll suggests that some Americans don’t necessarily believe the Trump-Russia collusion narrative, and instead, perceive Obama’s law enforcement and intelligence bureaucracy as potentially complicit in engaging in political espionage.
http://truthinmedia.com/poll-finds-majority-americans-obama-improperly-surveilled-trump-campaign/
Much worse than Watergate and Americans are getting it.
The trend is our friend
IMO this is the part of the code that runs afoul of the 1st amendment.
IMHO, me thinks your opinion is a pipe dream ...
A thinking liberal would try to make a case on why he thinks I'm wrong. That's how civilize dialog works.
But Dennis is incapable of thinking. He's nothing more than a bundle of precognitive reflexes.
rrb is on drugs. His thoughts come from a capsule.
Encapsulate and its related noun, "capsule," derive from "capsula," a diminutive form of the Latin noun capsa, meaning "box." "Capsa" also gave us our noun "case" (the container kind; the legal sense has a different origin). The original sense of encapsulate, meaning "to enclose something in a capsule," first appeared in the late 19th century. Its extended meaning, "to give a summary or synopsis of something," plays on the notion of a capsule as something compact, self-contained, and often easily digestible (as in a capsule of medicine). There is also a verb "capsule," which is more or less synonymous with "encapsulate
LOL:
Julian Assange ⏳
@TheRealJuIian
Can anyone answer this simple question?
Why is it that 94% of mass shootings are perpetrated by people who have either identified or registered as a Democrat? @TheDemocrats @DNC #TriggeredLiberals https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/ …
10:40 PM - Feb 16, 2018
Obama and Clinton conspired to get the Russian intervention team damaging information on Donald J. Trump.
This is the theme of the day.
Following orders from Trump is a conservative disease.
Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School student Emma Gonzalez began her speech with a moment of silence for the 17 victims who were killed Wednesday.
"All these people should be at home grieving," she said. “But instead we are up here, standing together, because if all our government and president can do is send ‘thoughts and prayers,’ then it’s time for victims to be the change that we need to see."
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Image: Emma Gonzales speaks at the rally against gun violence in Florida on Feb. 17, 2018.
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Related: Florida school shooting: These are the 17 victims
Reading from a speech scribbled on the back of her AP Government notes, Gonzalez demanded to know where the “common sense” is in America’s gun laws, and called out members of Congress who’ve accepted money and donations from the National Rifle Association.
She also had a message specifically for President Donald Trump, criticizing him for tweeting a call for action on mental health, while adding that he overturned an Obama-era law that made it harder for people with mental illness to purchase a gun.
"If the president wants to come up to me and tell me to my face that it was a 'terrible tragedy,'" she said, "I'm going to happily ask him how much money he received from the NRA."
In the crowd, students held up photos of their classmates who were killed, and at times responded to speeches with chants of "vote them out," and "Rubio must go."
Douglas High student Sarah Chadwick, whose reply to Trump's condolence tweet went viral, carried a sign that read "we don't want your thoughts and condolences, we want policy & change."
Image: A child holds a poster at a rally for gun control at the Broward County Federal Courthouse in Fort Lauderdale, Florida on Feb. 17, 2018.
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Melissa Falkowski, a Douglas High English and journalism teacher, who hid in the closet of her classroom during the shooting, spoke through tears at the rally.
"They say 'it's not the time' — Now is the time! There is no other time!" she said.
Dan McLaughlinVerified account @baseballcrank · 19h19 hours ago
"Nobody needs guns because we'd never become a tyranny & you can trust the cops," say people who've spent the last 13 months telling us the current President is a tyrant & the cops are dangerous racists.
James Boswell of Normal is a pedophile.
Reading from a speech scribbled on the back of her AP Government notes, Gonzalez demanded to know where the “common sense” is in America’s gun laws, and called out members of Congress who’ve accepted money and donations from the National Rifle Association.\
so our public "education' system has failed another child.
and our media heralds the fact.
sick.
And Roger, while you have again changed the topic you do realize that about 60 students a year are killed by gun violence at school each year, and have been for years.
In the mean time 60,000 people had opioid related deaths just last year.
Staggering
It disgust me that children are manipulated for political causes.
Here are the inconvenient facts.
1. Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School was a gun control paradise, the only one in the school who had a gun was Nicolas Cruz.
2. If Aaron Feis had a firearm and was properly trained he would be a live hero today and so would the other 16 victims.
Gun control is not the answer, crazy evil people never follow the law.
You harden the schools, the Israelies proved it works.
It's pretty obvious the mass shootings are a problem with society and also often mental illness.
Meanwhile the NRA spent 21 million in 2016 while unions spent 1.7 billion on politics, including teachers and public employee unions. With a left advocating press and these humongous political contributions this needs to be addressed or society will continue to slide.
If democrats didn't have talking points they wouldn't have anything. Proof is the political_lire spammer.
It disgust me that children are manipulated for political causes.
with liberals the end always justifies the means.
and it's why BAMN is a thing.
Menstral the cramp discover kids have more commonsense than he does......
It disgust me that children are manipulated for political causes.
Those kids show more maturity than you could ever dream of...I'm just curious how you determined they are being led by anyone? They sure seem on their own and are well spoken, unlike you cramps.......BTW....there was an armed adult on campus so your speculation about Feis is just that, your idiotic love of killing kids with weapons of war.... I listened to the junior senator of Oklahoma claim he knew lots of people who hunted with AR's......yeah sure another lie...from someone who got lots of money from the NRA, just like trump....
Rat our hole postulated that....
so our public "education' system has failed another child
That young lady at 15 years old has more brains and presence than you or your retarted kids, rat.....At least she is speaking out, unlike congress who bows to the NRA as they stuff their pockets with blood money,.....
"You harden the schools, the Israelies proved it works."
Exactly.
Exactly what????? Armed camps for every school????? As I asked menstral cramps yesterday which he ignored....How and who is going to pay for the personal and modifications to all schools? Are you willing to up your school budgets by 20% to cover this? I have a better idea.....tax the AR's like they did with machine gun.....An AR that costs you the price of a car will limit the ability of 18 year olds to buy them....just saying...And everyone can own them....no one loses any rights....
COMMONSENSE:
"You harden the schools, the Israelies proved it works."
LIAR-ETTA:
Exactly.
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Well, this too may have had something to do with it:
IN ISRAEL
Law Regulates Automatic Weapons
In Israel, civilian possession of automatic weapons is regulated by law25
Law Regulates Handguns
In Israel, civilian possession of handguns is regulated by law25
Law Regulates Long Guns
In Israel, civilian possession of rifles and shotguns is regulated by law25
Gun Ownership and Possession
In Israel, only licensed gun owners may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition
Genuine Reason Required for Firearm Possession
Applicants for a gun owner’s licence in Israel are required to establish a genuine reason to possess a firearm, for example self-defence, hunting and sport
Minimum Age for Firearm Possession
The minimum age for gun ownership in Israel is 27 years, or 21 years if served in the military
Gun Owner Background Checks
An applicant for a firearm licence in Israel must pass a background check which considers health, mental health and criminal records
Firearm Safety Training
In Israel, an understanding of firearm safety and the law, tested in a theoretical and/or practical training course is required for a firearm licence
Gun Owner Licensing Period
In Israel, gun owners must re-apply and re-qualify for their firearm licence every three years
Licensing Records
In Israel, authorities maintain a record of individual civilians licensed to acquire, possess, sell or transfer a firearm or ammunition
Limit on Number of Guns
Licensed firearm owners in Israel are permitted to possess one firearm per license
Limit on Quantity, Type of Ammunition
Licensed firearm owners in Israel are permitted to possess a limited quantity of ammunition
Those kids show more maturity than you could ever dream of..
Yes, I'm sure they will be praised and complemented to aping the party line.
Just like they were in the Soviet Union.
Exactly what????? Armed camps for every school??
As opposed to a predator's paradise a gun free school is where he can work his will for the five to fifteen minutes it takes for help to arrive.
In an armed camp, the children are safe. In a gun free zone? Not so much.
What Dennis doesn't tell you is that every israeli family has a military style automatic weapon.
Because they are all members of the IDF.
Excuse me, James.
What Students Said About Guns After 14 of Their Classmates Were Killed
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — They shouted into a microphone until their voices became hoarse. They waved handmade signs. They chanted.
And sometimes, in the middle of it all, they choked up.
At the federal courthouse here on Saturday, students — including many of the very people who had to endure the trauma of a shooting on campus — continued to speak out about guns.
Since Wednesday, when a gunman killed 14 students and three staff members at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., their youthful voices have resonated where those of longtime politicians have largely fallen flat.
And on Saturday, another young woman’s words captivated the nation.
Speaking publicly at the rally, Emma González, a senior, pledged that her school would be the site of the nation’s last mass shooting. How could she know? Because, she said, she and her peers would take it upon themselves to “change the law.”
“The people in the government who are voted into power are lying to us,” she said. “And us kids seem to be the only ones who notice and are prepared to call B.S.
“They say that tougher gun laws do not decrease gun violence — we call B.S.!” she continued as a chorus of supporters echoed her. “They say a good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun — we call B.S.! They say guns are just tools like knives and are as dangerous as cars — we call B.S.! They say that no laws could have been able to prevent the hundreds of senseless tragedies that have occurred — we call B.S.! That us kids don’t know what we’re talking about, that we’re too young to understand how the government works — we call B.S.!”
She wiped her eyes aggressively. Then, she urged the people in the crowd to register to vote — and to give their elected officials “a piece of your mind.”
Just hours later, one video of the speech had been viewed more than 100,000 times.
In a telephone interview early Sunday, Ms. González, 18, said she was surprised by the enthusiastic reaction to her speech.
“I just got off the phone with Demi Lovato,” she said. “That’s not normally something that ever should have happened.”
Ms. González said she was encouraged to speak out, in part, by other supportive people in her community, especially those who she said do not yet feel comfortable talking publicly.
“This is my whole world now,” she said. “I cannot allow myself to stop talking about this.”
A person Ms. González met at a party was killed in the shooting, she said; another person she has known for “an incredibly long time” is still in the hospital.
“Everybody needs to understand how we feel and what we went through, because if they don’t, they’re not going to be able to understand why we’re fighting for what we’re fighting for,” Ms. González said.
She noted that some have criticized students for raising their voices, suggesting that they take the time to grieve instead.
“This is the way I have to grieve,” Ms. González said. “I have to make sure that everybody knows that this isn’t something that is allowed to happen.”
Here are the voices of some other students who, like Ms. González, have spoken out in recent days.
David Hogg, 17: ‘We’re children. You guys are the adults’
While David Hogg, 17, and dozens of his Stoneman Douglas classmates were hiding in the dark in the school chef’s office, he interviewed them on camera about their views on gun policy. Mr. Hogg, a senior and the student news director, later told The New York Times that lawmakers must make schools safer.
“We need to do something,” he said. “We need to get out there and be politically active. Congress needs to get over their political bias with each other and work toward saving children’s lives.”
Referring to politicians, Mr. Hogg told CNN: “We’re children. You guys are the adults.”
Carly Novell, 17: ‘This IS about guns’
Hours after the mass shooting, surviving students turned to social media to discuss gun control. They addressed the prevalence of such attacks and why someone with a mental illness can buy a gun.
“Guns give these disgusting people the ability to kill other human beings,” Carly Novell, a 17-year-old senior who is an editor for the school’s quarterly magazine, wrote on Twitter. “This IS about guns.”
In a video interview with The Times, Ms. Novell said she was trying to use her anger fruitfully.
“People always talk about gun control and how things need to change, but nothing ever does,” she said. “And that is so frustrating.”
Tyra Hemans, 19: ‘I want to talk with’ Trump
The public outcry from some Stoneman Douglas students was vastly different from the response of survivors of the Columbine High School shooting in 1999. Those students two decades ago did not turn to activism as they grieved.
In contrast, Tyra Hemans, a senior at Stoneman Douglas, brought a poster featuring the word “ENOUGH” to a funeral for one of her classmates on Friday. She said she also wanted to deliver a message to President Trump.
“I want our politicians to stop thinking about money and start thinking about all these lives we had lost,” she said. “I want to talk with him about changing these laws.”
Daniela Palacios, 16: ‘Change is going to come of this’
Among those who attended Saturday’s rally was Daniela Palacios, 16, a sophomore at another Broward County high school, Cypress Bay.
This was her first protest, she said, and she stood with her mother, a tiny gold cross on a chain around her neck.
Returning to school after the shooting at Stoneman Douglas had been difficult, she explained, and she said she was there to call for a ban on firearms like the semiautomatic AR-15 rifle used by the gunman.
“Wherever you bump into someone, there is the fear that they’re the next shooter,” she said, “and every bell is a gunshot.”
“I feel like some change is going to come of this,” she went on, her voice barely audible amid the roar of the crowd. “I feel hopeful.”
Ellie Branson, 16: ‘Can you include the names of the victims?’
When the protest ended, a group of teenagers stayed behind, chanting and hugging — and chanting again.
“It could have been us,” one sign read. “My friend died for what?” said another.
“No more guns! No more guns! No more guns!” they yelled.
Among those leading the group was Ellie Branson, 16, a junior from South Broward High School. She wore a yellow and white T-shirt, her cheeks wet with tears.
When the protest finally ended, she texted a reporter.
“Can you include the names of the victims?” she asked. “Their names are more important than mine.”
Commonsense:
What James doesn't tell you is that every Israeli family has a military style automatic weapon.
Because they are all members of the IDF.
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James:
I guess Commensa made that up.
"There are only 7 privately owned guns for every 100 Israelis; the rate in America is 89."
The only problem is that Israel actually has quite strong gun restrictions and very low gun ownership rates, some of the lowest in the developed world. This confusion has gotten so bad that even Israeli government officials are now chiming in to knock back the claims, though the NRA is seen as a close ally of the U.S. Republican party, which positions itself as strongly backing Israel.
LaPierre appeared to take his Israel-model advocacy a step too far when he declared on Meet the Press this weekend, "Israel had a whole lot of school shootings, until they did one thing. They said we’re going to stop it and they put armed security in every school and they have not had a problem since then."
A spokesperson for the Israeli Foreign Ministry told the New York Daily News that this was simply wrong. "We didn’t have a series of school shootings, and they had nothing to do with the issue at hand in the United States. We had to deal with terrorism," he said. "What removed the danger was not the armed guards but an overall anti-terror policy and anti-terror operations which brought street terrorism down to nearly zero over a number of years.” The spokesperson added, “It would be better not to drag Israel into what is an internal American discussion."
Israeli guns laws, it turns out, are much stricter than America's gun laws. This may help explain why Israeli gun ownership is just one thirteenth of what it is in the U.S. To bring that number into focus, it would likely be even lower if not for mandatory military service, which means Israelis are more likely to be familiar with guns. Israel's unique security challenges and its periodic bouts with terrorism would also seem to bolster an NRA-style case for allowing more privately owned guns so that more citizens can defend themselves. And yet, there are far fewer guns in private citizens' hands, and far less gun crime.
So why does Israel look more like gun-controlling Britain than gun-loving American? Why are Israel and the U.S. near opposite extremes among Western nations when it comes to gun laws? As American scholar Janet Rosenbaum put it in an article for ForeignPolicy.com, "Israel has well-known security concerns, but it limits security to the professionals." Whereas Americans laws privilege free access to guns and then restrict them from there, Israeli laws, Rosenbaum writes, "are designed to keep amateurs from carrying guns in the street -- even amateurs who have served 3 years in the army.
Israel limits gun ownership to security workers, people who transport valuables or explosives, residents of the West Bank, and hunters. People who don't fall into one of those categories cannot obtain a firearm permit.
Moreover, Israel rejects 40 percent of firearm permit applicants, the highest rejection rate in the Western world. Both Switzerland and Israel require yearly (or more frequent) permit renewals to insure that the reasons are still applicable.
The hope for a U.S. political consensus on gun control may already be fading, the Post's Tom Hamburger recently reported. So, if nothing else, maybe the post-Sandy Hook gun debate would be an opportunity to clear up the long-held misunderstanding of Israeli gun laws. For example, as Rosenbaum told Ezra Klein in a phone interview, there's a misconception that Israel promotes security through gun ownership. "Ten years ago, when Israel had the outbreak of violence, there was an expansion of gun ownership, but only to people above a certain rank in the military," she said. "There was no sense that having ordinary citizens [carry guns] would make anything safer." That's the Israeli thinking, anyway. That doesn't necessarily mean it's right or wrong for the U.S., but if we're going to debate national models, it's worth at least getting them right.
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BUT THIS TIME IT IS NOT JUST ANOTHER POST SANDY HOOK, AND PEOPLE HAVE HAD ENOUGH. LET TRUTH BE SPOKEN ABOUT GUN LAWS IN ISRAEL.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2012/12/28/israeli-gun-laws-are-much-stricter-than-some-u-s-gun-advocates-suggest/?utm_term=.53129481de04
Source: Washington Post: Israeli Gun Laws Are Much Stricter Than Some US Gun Advocates Would Have You Believe
So much for James' lies:
ISRAEL EASES GUN LAWS IN BID TO COPE WITH PALESTINIAN 'LONE WOLF' ATTACKS
Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan on Wednesday approved a number of measures to ease the requirements for firearm permits, as Israel copes with a wave of “lone wolf” terrorism.
“In recent weeks many citizens have helped the Israel Police subdue terrorists who carried out attacks,” he said.
“Citizens with firearms training are a multiplying force for the police in their fight against terrorism and therefore I will take measures to ease the restrictions at this time.”
The measures are to allow local authorities in “high priority” areas to give approval to carry weapons in certain instances, as opposed to previously when only the firearms licensing branch of the Public Security Ministry could do so.
You see, being surrounded by enemies as Israel is everybody is a soldier in the IDF.
Cramps the idiot posed the following for a group of 15 year olds....
will be praised and complemented to aping the party line.
Our idiot du jour is worried about party lines for kids not old enough to vote yet, who are taking a stand something foreign to the brainwashed cramps. BTW, Israel hardens schools to protect against real terrorist attacks. Yeah it works, but they also do a heck of a job regulating guns which cramps is against....he would rather have constant carnage than some idiot losing his hunting AR.....
Menstral again misses the forest through the trees with....
ISRAEL EASES GUN LAWS IN BID TO COPE WITH PALESTINIAN 'LONE WOLF' ATTACKS
It sure appears it is a well regulated easing of laws requiring training and coordination with police......yeah cramps all those other regulations remain in effect except in certain instances....something you chose to ignore, typical of none thinkers like yourself...James hit it square....you fouled out....LOLOLOL
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