Sunday, February 18, 2018

What TDS does to your hearing...

Rod Rosenstein: There’s no allegation in this indictment that any American had any knowledge, and the nature of the scheme was the kept defendants took extraordinary steps to make it appear they were ordinary American political activists, even going so far as to base their activities on a virtual private network here in the United States, so if anybody traced it back to the first jump, they appeared to be American.

What Liberals heard: There is no doubt that Trump associates colluded with these individuals and indictments are just around the corner.

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Rod Rosenstein: The indictment alleges that the Russian conspirators want to promote discord in the United States and undermine public confidence and democracy.

What Liberals heard: The Russian conspirators were working on behalf of the Trump campaign.

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Rod Rosenstein: There is no allegation in the indictment that the charge conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election.

What Liberals heard: Russian meddling was the reason Donald Trump won and Hillary Clinton lost.

67 comments:

wphamilton said...

Rod Rosenstein: There’s no allegation in this indictment that any American had any knowledge, and the nature of the scheme was the kept defendants took extraordinary steps to make it appear they were ordinary American political activists,

What clear thinking Americans heard: Rosenstien is talking about "this indictment" and this particular scheme, end everything he says is taken in that context.

Trump republicans heard: That clears Trump of any involvement in anything the Russians did.

Rod Rosenstein: There is no allegation in the indictment that the charge conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election.

Trump republicans heard: Nothing the Russians did affected the election.

wphamilton said...

Interesting that this former special agent in the FBI, specializing in counterintelligence investigations (now a senior lecturer at Yale), lays out the same two points I did earlier. In order to prove collusion Mueller needs to first:

"1) identifying what the Russians did; 2) determining if they violated any federal laws; and 3) finding evidence that US persons helped Russia in its efforts."

The indictment takes steps to demonstrate the first two. Now, as I also mentioned, it remains to show (3) that Campaign officials (or Trump himself) had contact with and coordinated with those efforts.

She also makes the very good point, "The fact that the indictment states that some members of the campaign were "unwitting" does not preclude the possibility that Mueller has evidence that campaign members wittingly assisted Russia as well."

CH, you and the several blog contributors should probably familiarize yourselves with this For Mueller, this is only the beginning

James said...

This man is an idiot and a liar. He was before he was elected, and has remained so after election. He should NOT be in the White House.

Washington Post: Fact checking Trump's error-filled tweetstorm about the Russia investigation

James said...

4:55 For Mueller this is only the beginning.

Mueller is preparing a splendidly well crafted case.
Meanwhile, Trump is not helping his case
by mouthing off all kinds of ill informed statements
and/or lies.

James said Tumulty said...

A New Presidential Low

Karen Tumulty: “Imagine how history would have judged Franklin D. Roosevelt in the aftermath of Pearl Harbor, if he had taken to the radio airwaves to declare that Tokyo was “laughing their asses off.” Or if George W. Bush had stood in the rubble of the World Trade Center with a bullhorn and launched a name-calling tirade against the Democrats.

“There was no loss of life or destruction of a city in the Russian actions described in a sweeping indictment secured by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III. But it was an act of war nonetheless, a sneak attack using 21st-century methods.

“These are the moments that test a country — and a president. They call for bringing people together in a sense of national purpose against a common adversary. Once again, Trump has failed that test.”

James said...

CNN's Gergen: Threat of 'authoritarian rule' under Trump is growing

CNN political analyst David Gergen issued a stark warning about the Trump administration on Sunday, saying the threat of authoritarian rule under President Trump is growing.
"It is the beginnings, in many other countries it's been the beginnings of an authoritarian rule, and that's the larger threat hanging over us now," Gergen said on CNN's "Reliable Sources."

Gergen was referring to Trump's comments slamming the news media, which has often been critical of the president, as well as institutions like the FBI.

"We have an election that's just around the corner later this year. What if the Democrats take the House back? Is all of that going to be blamed on fake news? What if they fall short? Are Democrats going to think, you know, it was all that meddling, and they have won a few seats that they wouldn't have otherwise won," he said earlier.

Special counsel Robert Mueller last week announced charges against over a dozen Russians in the federal probe into Russian election meddling.

In response, Trump issued a series of tweets slamming the news media and the ongoing probes into alleged ties between the Trump campaign and Russia. He also blamed the Obama administration for not doing enough to deter Russia.

The president took aim specifically at CNN on Sunday, referring to the network as a "big ratings loser," citing its coverage of the Russian investigations.

Trump's tweet included another user's tweet showing a cartoon of Wolf Blitzer as an old man in 2038, with the caption "Update! We should see evidence of Russia-Trump collusion any day now."

President Idiot

Commonsense said...

Trump is right, Moscow is laughing their asses off at us and it's the media and Democrats that are to blame.

Commonsense said...

CNN political analyst David Gergen issued a stark warning about the Trump administration on Sunday, saying the threat of authoritarian rule under President Trump is growing.

This is amusing since the only ones that are seriously avocating rolling back 1st, 2nd, and 4th amendment rights are leftist journalist, Democrats, and professors.

commie said...

Menstral the cramp once again proves he fellates trump every chance he can.....

Trump is right, Moscow is laughing their asses off at us and it's the media


He's also saying to himself what a fool trump and his sycophants are believing he did nothing to swing the election....mindless uneducated idiots believe everything trump tweets....

James said...

He is right. The Russians ARE laughing at us. Because of Trump, they have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. And it is Trump and his minions who are to blame.

commie said...

Funny menstral the cramps ad hominem attack on david gergen as a leftist commentator who served as advisor for ford, reagan, nixon and clinton....is an independent and has more brains in his toe nails then menstral has in his head...probably one of the most qualified commentator on any network, but that's just me opining....

James said...

Trump to meet with high school students following Florida shooting
The Hill
2 hrs ago

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - President Trump plans to meet with high school students on Wednesday following last week's deadly school shooting in Parkland, Fla.

The White House announced Sunday that Trump will host a "listening session" with both students and teachers, followed by a similar event Thursday with state and local officials to discuss school safety. No further details were provided.

High school students have been some of the most vocal advocates for new gun laws in response to last Wednesday's shooting, which left 17 students and staff dead.

Emma Gonzalez, a student from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, where the shooting took place, called out Trump during an impassioned speech at a pro-gun control rally Saturday in Fort Lauderdale, roughly 40 miles from where the president is spending the holiday weekend.

"If the president wants to come up to me and tell me to my face that it was a terrible tragedy and how it should never have happened, and maintain telling us how nothing is going to be done about it, I'm going to happily ask him how much money he received from the National Rifle Association," Gonzalez said. "I already know - $30 million."

Trump visited injured victims and their families on Friday at a nearby hospital and also met with first responders and law enforcement officers to thank them, but he made no mention of new gun laws during his visit.

The president criticized former President Obama and Democrats for not tightening the nation's gun laws when they were in power.*

"Just like they don't want to solve the DACA problem, why didn't the Democrats pass gun control legislation when they had both the House & Senate during the Obama Administration. Because they didn't want to, and now they just talk!" Trump tweeted Saturday.

Trump, however, has focused much of his public comments over the weekend on the new indictments in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russia's election interference.
In one tweet, he said the FBI missed signs about the suspected gunman's troubled past because it is "spending too much time trying to prove Russian collusion with the Trump campaign - there is no collusion."

The comment drew widespread criticism from Democrats and Republicans.

HE MAY BE WALKING INTO A BUZZSAW WITH THESE STUDENTS.

*AND WHAT HAS HE DONE ABOUT GUNS? except remain silent.

cowardly king obama said...

Looks like "pastor" james is having the blog equivalent of a tweeter storm...

TRUMP 2020

ROFLMFAO !!!!

cowardly king obama said...

CNN - The banana network

FAKE NEWS 24/7

commie said...

HE MAY BE WALKING INTO A BUZZSAW WITH THESE STUDENTS.

For the fist time in 50 years, it smells like my HS days with the viet nam war going full bore and kids speaking their minds, so much resistance from behind...It actually may be onto something....I for one will fully embrace what the kids do....menstral would rather just let them bleed and die.....idiot... my fear it will just peter out.....and the old white farts will go on....

C.H. Truth said...

The indictment takes steps to demonstrate the first two. Now, as I also mentioned, it remains to show (3) that Campaign officials (or Trump himself) had contact with and coordinated with those efforts.

A good theory...

Except the part where the Asst A.G. tells everyone that there is no allegations of any knowledge, much less coordination with any Americans.

If, in fact, the unnamed low level Trump campaign officials actually had knowledge, or the co-conspirators were American... then that would make Rosenstein's statement a flat out lie.

If the subject matter in this indictment has "more to come" and it involved Trump campaign members, then Rosenstein's play would have been to simply not make any comment about these implications. Even under questioning, the standard "we don't comment on ongoing investigations" would have made sense.

Rosenstein appears to be taking heed of the James Comey "refusal" to acknowledge exculpatory information... which of course led to speculation (and flat out statements from the media) that Trump as under investigation.

So he answers the question that everyone wanted to know. Was there Americans involved, and is it possible that the unnamed co-conspirators are Americans (Trump campaign workers).

His answer was a flat out no.

Why would he lie?

C.H. Truth said...

That being said, WP...

Certainly there could be a superseding indictment in the future that would could involve more charges and more people. But superseding indictments are brought when additional information comes to light, mot because a prosecutor is trying to play some clever political play. If they have information today on co-conspirators who were American, they would have been included in the indictment.

By all logical accounts, from what we know and from what we have been told, there is no American conspirators. Perhaps they will continue to look for them, but it seems unlikely that if they hadn't been able to come up with anything to this point, that they are going to uncover anything else.

C.H. Truth said...

BTW...

The problem with your Asha Rangappa analysis is that it completely ignores the entire press conference and statements by Rod Rosenstein.

If I had only seen the indictment and not heard Rosenstein's statement, I would have possibly drawn some of the same conclusions. This indictment has a strange similarity to the Manafort indictment, where he references an underlying crime, without charging it.

Under other circumstance, I might have thought that he might otherwise be attempting to tie the underlying crimes with co-conspirators that could be American (possibly Trump associates).

But it (according to legal experts) would be strange to offer multiple indictments for the same criminal activity... especially if they had all of the information required. There rarely is a reason to do so.


But those suspicions were raised and seemingly answered by Rosenstein, who was quite adamant (if you watch the press conference) that there were no Americans involved.

wphamilton said...

"Except the part where the Asst A.G. tells everyone that there is no allegations of any knowledge, much less coordination with any Americans."

In "this indictment" there are no allegations of Americans involved in this scheme.

Words matter, even when you leave them out :)

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

CH will edit a quote if it doesn't follow the President's tweets.

Words matter, even when you leave them out of this scheme.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Under other circumstance, I might not have thought that he might otherwise be attempting to tie the underlying crimes with co-conspirators that could be American Hillary LOCK HER UP associates

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Denial of the President has problems with the truth is a symptom of the of Trumpism. CH will not read this link to fake news that pissed him off. But they beyond belief that the President tweet storm this morning, prove that every single one of the infamous 13.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/02/18/fact-checking-trumps-error-filled-tweet-storm-about-the-russia-investigation/

Commonsense said...

In "this indictment" there are no allegations of Americans involved in this scheme.

Pray tell WP what other "scheme" falls under the special counsel preview.

What other evidence is there? Time to put up.

Commonsense said...

Well Roger Kessler said there was no evidence to Russian collusion with Clinton but he conveniently ignored the Steele Dossier and the Uranium one deal.

I would say in this case his fact checking is less than honest.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The Russians are laughing at the President.
It wasn’t so long ago—last November—that, after having talked with Putin privately during a summit in Vietnam, Trump declared that he was ready to believe the Russian President’s denials. “Every time he sees me, he says, ‘I didn’t do that,’ and I really believe that, when he tells me that, he means it,” he said. But a growing and increasingly undeniable body of evidence suggests that he did, and it has forced Trump to change his tack: no matter what happened, Trump seems to be arguing, let’s not talk about it because it makes America look silly in the eyes of the people who pulled this caper off in the first place.
As Mueller’s indictment alleges, the Kremlin was guided by the “strategic goal to sow discord in the U.S. political system,” that is to say, to support Trump as a way of screwing with everybody, and everything, else. The Kremlin was attracted to Trump in large measure as a clown and a wrecking ball, a political phenomenon that would upend America’s domestic status quo, and thus tarnish the country’s profile on the world stage. Putin had famously called him “yarkiy,” which, as I wrote after Trump’s victory, in November, 2016, is “a tricky word that means colorful, gaudy, or bright, in the way that the neon lights shine from the marquee of one of Trump’s casinos.”
That Trump also took policy positions amenable to the Kremlin, such as ending sanctions against Russia and joining forces with it in Syria, made his candidacy seem a win-win: either Trump would shift U.S. policy in a way that would benefit Russia, or he would fail at doing that and set off an all-consuming political crisis in America, which, in a roundabout way, would also benefit Russia. Today, it seems like the latter scenario is prevailing.
Last year, for a piece in the magazine on Russia’s election operation, Alexei Venediktov, the editor-in-chief of the independent radio station Echo of Moscow, told me—along with my co-authors, David Remnick and Evan Osnos—that “Trump was attractive to people in Russia’s political establishment as a disturber of the peace for their counterparts in the American political establishment.” Venediktov spoke of Trump as a source of “turbulence,” which is useful seeing as that a “country that is beset by turbulence closes up on itself—and Russia’s hands are freed.”

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...


In "this indictment" there are no allegations of Americans involved in this scheme.

Words matter unless Trumpism blinds the truthers.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

This report was a surprise.

Muller has been very professional. There are a lot of people are talking. Some of them are facing jail time equivalent to a life sentence.

If you choose to believe that there won't be any more reports, you are probably going to be in shock when the shit hits the fan.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

What other evidence is there? Time to put up.

It's being prepared as we speak.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Blackmail?

Dailykos

There really is no explanation for his behavior towards Russia, behavior so bizarre he is at odds with the entire U.S. Intelligence apparatus.

Unless he’s being blackmailed.

Far from being bizarre, imagining Trump paying prostitutes to pee on a bed Obama used as a primitive revenge ritual, and Russians taping the episode, is perfectly consistent with what we know about both parties. That exact scenario may not have happened. Indeed, sex is not the only kind of secret Trump harbors. He endured months of criticism first from Republican candidates, then Democrats, and all along from the media, for refusing to disclose his tax returns. Trump clearly feels protective of his financial information. Some of that information is in the hands of his business partners, many of whom are associated with Russia or are unsavory in some other way.

Rosenzweig describes Mueller’s indictment as a message directed not to Trump, but to Americans as a stark warning that the American Republic is under attack. In fact, thus far the profound implications of this devastating indictment have been met with deaf ears from the very person who should be reacting with resolve to reassure the American people of the integrity of their Democracy. That is what a normal President would do.

Unless he could not afford to.

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Anonymous said...

Has anyone see an NFL Player Kneeling since the end of the season?

Anonymous said...

President Trump tells Russians to "knock it off"

Feel better.

Anonymous said...




the FBI is on a roll...


MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — After Tnuza Jamal Hassan was stopped from flying to Afghanistan last September, she allegedly told FBI agents that she wanted to join al-Qaida and marry a fighter, and that she might even wear a suicide belt.

She also said she was angry at U.S. military actions overseas and admitted that she tried to encourage others to "join the jihad in fighting," but she said she had no intention of carrying out an attack on U.S. soil, according to prosecutors. Despite her alleged admissions, she was allowed to go free.

Four months later, the 19-year-old was arrested for allegedly setting small fires on her former college campus in St. Paul in what prosecutors say was a self-proclaimed act of jihad. No one was hurt by the Jan. 17 fires at St. Catherine University, but her case raises questions about why she wasn't arrested after speaking to the agents months earlier and shows the difficulty the authorities face in identifying real threats.

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2018-02-17/minnesota-terror-case-shows-challenge-of-predicting-attacks


huh. quite the fall from grace. from elite law enforcement agency to muscle for the DNC.

shut it down, fire them all and cancel the federal pensions.

C.H. Truth said...

In "this indictment" there are no allegations of Americans involved in this scheme.

Then we are in agreement. That's all I am saying or all Rosenstein seemed to say. Nobody else is implicated in this trolling operation.

It doesn't preclude the idea that whoever (for instance) hacked the emails had American help. Although, of the two major "schemes" it might seem less likely that the Russian Hackers required help from the Trump campaign to hack an email server and figure out how to get it to Wikileaks, than they would have organizing rallies and advertising.

Commonsense said...

Still waiting for WP and Roger to show us proof of Russian collusion.

Anonymous said...

"Collusion" they have circled back to that?


Hell, hard to keep up with those two.

So many different "bombshells".

Anonymous said...

So by the standards laid out by the 4 liberal stooges of CHT, they commit "crimes" everyday.

commie said...

KD once again is the only one making this claim.....

f CHT, they commit "crimes" everyday.

Are you ever going to grow up or do you plan on being a dolt the rest of your miserable life/????

Anonymous said...

Some of them are facing jail time equivalent to a life sentence.

name one.


If you choose to believe that there won't be any more reports, you are probably going to be in shock when the shit hits the fan.

well alky, so far the schiff hasn't hit anything. since you're the guy on a borrowed liver and borrowed time, you might want to ask ol' mully to pick up the pace a bit.

wphamilton said...

But superseding indictments are brought when additional information comes to light, mot because a prosecutor is trying to play some clever political play.

Striking the phrase "clever political play" as hyperbole, this is actually an interesting statement, since my research shows otherwise. I thought we'd already discussed this, that financial crimes and particularly tax related charges are generally more intricate and time consuming, and it is quite common for these to be subject of a later indictment. Did I remember wrong, or do you reject that?


If they have information today on co-conspirators who were American, they would have been included in the indictment.

have information < evidence sufficient to indict < charging the individual. Of course they have information on American co-conspirators - we'd be a fool to think otherwise - and there are any of a number of reasons they aren't indicted. First would be the information is insufficient evidence. Or it may be sufficient but they are digging up corroboration. Or they are investigating other individuals and are keeping them in the dark. Or the Mueller team simply wanted to indict these Russian actors separately, so that no one muddies the waters with 1st Amendment objections, which as we've already seen are easily dispensed with.

Whichever it is, until the investigation is complete and all charges are filed, you cannot logically argue from the basis of what is NOT in a given indictment.

William Hamilton said...

Still waiting for WP and Roger to show us proof of Russian collusion

Do you suspect me as a secret agent employed by Mueller's investigation?

Commonsense said...

Oh I don't kNow WP, you talk like you're in the know. You keep saying there's more to come.

Well, what is it? We're waiting?

Time to come clean.

Anonymous said...

Do you suspect me as a secret agent employed by Mueller's investigation?


i don't but i am curious about one thing - what's your bess guesstimate at to when trump is removed from office?

since that's what this is really all about and has been from day one, i'm curious as to when that will be.

wphamilton said...

"Then we are in agreement. That's all I am saying or all Rosenstein seemed to say. Nobody else is implicated in this trolling operation."

IN THIS INDICTMENT! There could well be others who are implicated, but NOT listed in this indictment.

I'd like you to take a step back from your political perspective and visualize the trolling operation. The nuts and bolts of it, the scope of the entire scheme. Do you truly think that there were no more than a dozen or so individuals involved? Do you really believe that out of everyone these American individuals contacted, worked with, and employed in some manner, that none of them knew that it was a Russian propaganda effort?

Now consider the details of the indictment itself. Wire fraud, defrauding the US government, identity theft. For these specific crimes, "the scheme" that the indictment refers to, only the Russians are charged. That makes sense, that those crimes would be Russians not Americans. Citizens would not need to lie to the government to gain access for example. Citizens could simply use their own identity for emails and bank accounts. And the conspirators would want to tightly control the flow of illegitimate funds. But that's not to say that Americans were not involved in the further aspects of the operation, far from it! You'd have to be naive to believe it so, simply because they weren't indicted yet along with the Russians.

Establish that federal crimes were committed. Put some names and entities to the crimes, charge them. Then when you charge other individuals who participated you have already established the foundation and can charge them with conspiracy and accessory to the established crimes.

C.H. Truth said...

I thought we'd already discussed this, that financial crimes and particularly tax related charges are generally more intricate and time consuming, and it is quite common for these to be subject of a later indictment

WP...

None of this explains why the prosecutor would not wait until he had all of his ducks in a row before securing a public indictment. I can think of several reasons off the top of my head why it would be a bad idea to bring to public light an indictment of a "portion" of agents, while basically warning the others involved that something might be coming. Perhaps a piecemeal indictment process might make sense if the indictment was sealed, and arrest warrants were not issued right away. But law enforcement generally plays investigations close to the vest, for a variety of reasons that are fairly obvious.

There seems to be almost no upside to publicly rolling out an indictment in piecemeal. It looks sloppy, warns other co-conspirators (maybe they even leave the country), it can taint a jury pool.

Certainly superseding indictments are used in many situations. But generally because they gather "new" information. There is no logical reason to simply hold back criminal activity that they know about, for some sake of whatever it is that you believe the reason would be.

Of course they have information on American co-conspirators - we'd be a fool to think otherwise

Well I guess Rod Rosenstein is a fool then... because he is of the opinion that there are not American co-conspirators. But what does he know?

wphamilton said...

i don't but i am curious about one thing - what's your best guesstimate at to when trump is removed from office?

That would be in 2020.

Because I am still confident in my initial reasoning, and I have no sufficient reason yet to alter it. If you recall, I reason that no American politician would even WANT Russian assistance in an American election. It would be amateur hour, and the potential downside is too significant. No matter how dumb I think Trump is, he's not THAT dumb. His son in law maybe, some goofball aid trying to make a name perhaps, but at the top levels of course not. Not willingly. The only scenario I see would be the Russians have some leverage over Trump and forced him to comply, but I don't see that as very likely. Why get involved in the first place then? He's a billionaire, what does he care for Russian leverage? So probably not.

Meuller isn't likely to charge Trump, and if he does it will be something weak that Congress will reject, like turning a blind eye. I wouldn't be surprised to see some lower downs charged, or a generalized statement about unwitting dupes. But removal from office, not from this.

hamiltwp said...

Well I guess Rod Rosenstein is a fool then... because he is of the opinion that there are not American co-conspirators.

Again Rosenstein said no such thing. You infer that opinion, incorrectly IMO.

C.H. Truth said...

I'd like you to take a step back from your political perspective and visualize the trolling operation. The nuts and bolts of it, the scope of the entire scheme. Do you truly think that there were no more than a dozen or so individuals involved

I don't know...

I guess we could just read the original story from Russian Business Magazine that Mueller seems to have based his indictment on. Perhaps that would shed some light on it.

Since none of these people will ever be arrested or stand trial. I would be curious as to what the reasoning would be (other than political timing) to put out a "partial indictment" at this time... rather than completing the investigation and coming up with a complete report.

Rod Rosenstein certainly provided a press conference that suggested that this was a pretty inclusive summary of these events. But quite obviously you either believe that Rosenstein isn't telling the whole truth or isn't really in the loop.

wphamilton said...

There is no logical reason to simply hold back criminal activity that they know about, for some sake of whatever it is that you believe the reason would be.

Sure there is. It is a normal, standard operating procedure for prosecutors. For the reasons I have already listed, among others.

wphamilton said...

Since none of these people will ever be arrested or stand trial. I would be curious as to what the reasoning would be (other than political timing) to put out a "partial indictment" at this time...

Read the link to the article written by the former FBI Special Investigator who had specialized in intelligence. Who lists several of the same reasons I gave you earlier.

1. Establish that federal crimes have been committed
2. Supply names and entities to these crimes

Before prosecuting anyone for conspiracy, American or otherwise, you have to establish these two to begin with. The indictment does that.

That was one section of FIVE objectives that she claimed the indictment satisfied.

Anonymous said...

That would be in 2020.

so you're of the opinion he simply does not get reelected.

if that's the case the mueller charade has no legitimate reason to continue. charging russian trolls in absentia is a spectacular waste of time and $$$.




Anonymous said...

This all Happened on Hillay's funding of the best seller fiction Hillay Dossier" . Obama knew every fact.

2020
Pocahontas
Kilmila Harrison
Joe plugs
Hillary

Those are the front Runner for 2020.

commie said...

CH once again opines another alternate fact

. because he is of the opinion that there are not American co-conspirators.

He made no such argument CH....you like menstral think he said that and will go to the ends of the world to defend the morality of the liar in chief.....sad how low you have gone....

C.H. Truth said...

WP...

An indictment doesn't establish that a crime was committed.

C.H. Truth said...

He made no such argument CH

Here is exactly what he said:

There’s no allegation in this indictment that any American had any knowledge, and the nature of the scheme was the kept defendants took extraordinary steps to make it appear they were ordinary American political activists, even going so far as to base their activities on a virtual private network here in the United States, so if anybody traced it back to the first jump, they appeared to be American.

I guess I missed the caveats where he suggests that "any American" does not include those Americans who were co-conspirators.

wphamilton said...

if that's the case the mueller charade has no legitimate reason to continue. charging russian trolls in absentia is a spectacular waste of time and $$$.

It's worth every penny. For one, he's investigating Russian intelligence operations in our elections, regardless of whether Trump is specifically involved. If for no other reasons, that is enough.

For another, unearthing crimes committed by top US Federal Officials is always worthwhile, no matter what the cost. If it takes a Special Investigation and millions of dollars to do that, that's unfortunate but whatever it takes. It's preferable to allowing criminals to wield power, in the relative security that their misdeeds remain hidden.

Congress might as well authorize a permanent team for independent investigations, give them a new mandate every few years along with a permanent budget.

wphamilton said...

There’s no allegation in this indictment

Rosenstien just states the obvious, since we can all read the indictment. Nothing about that implies that there are no other conspirators. Other conspirators, if they exist, are simply not charged in this indictment.

You're reasoning from the specific to the general, a logical fallacy.

Anonymous said...

They did, $10 million this year and $10 Million more in 2019.

So you got your wish.
So much corruption happened during the Lost years.

commie said...

The disingenuous CH states the obvious with

An indictment doesn't establish that a crime was committed.

I am sure even menstral knows that... Nice deflection though, and a loser at that.!!!!

guess I missed the caveats where he suggests that "any American" in this indictment.....

try again, CH, the only thing you proved was you being wrong, again....getting more desperate and obtuse daily....LOLOL

C.H. Truth said...

WP...

I hope you realize that Mueller didn't "uncover" anything with this indictment.

As has been reported over the weekend, this whole operation had previously been written about in a Russian Business magazine. A 4500 word essay was written by Russian reporters regarding the so-called trolling company, which is said to have included nearly everything that Mueller put into this indictment.

This was technically public knowledge if you knew where to look for it.

C.H. Truth said...

Rosenstien just states the obvious, since we can all read the indictment. Nothing about that implies that there are no other conspirators. Other conspirators, if they exist, are simply not charged in this indictment.


If you say so...

Always something coming in the "next" indictment that will actually have something to do with collusion, huh?

commie said...

And CH again technically is brainwashed with


This was technically public knowledge

Yep, I am sure there are billions of russian bi-linguals in this country who read that....Dayum you really are desperate and reaching with that PILE OF BULLSHIT!!!!! Your credibility has really reached a new low....LOL BTW wonder who reported that, Pravda? Putin? Russian TV??????

commie said...

Funny how CH's position has evolved from the russian investigation is a complete hoax to now just being collusion...Just heard the next trumpie is going to plead guilty... today....seems to me Nixon had fewer guilty pleas than trump...that sure says a lot fro the idiots you support....

commie said...

TOP NEWS
How Unwitting CH Was Deceived by Russian Trolls
By SCOTT SHANE 9:13 AM ET
With imperfect English and tireless posting on Facebook and Twitter, Russian operatives summoned Americans to rallies, praised Donald J. Trump and played on political divisions.
Many Americans engaged with the Russian trolls without knowing whom or where they really were.

Anonymous said...

For another, unearthing crimes committed by top US Federal Officials is always worthwhile, no matter what the cost.


if that were truly the case hillary clinton would only be able to see her grandchildren on visitation days.

and that's exactly why this is bullshit.

commie said...

This is one of the hero kids who was shot multiple times that menstral complained because they were biased and should not be heard....the kid has more balls and class then any R who is defending the idiot in chief.....

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Hero Student Shot 5 Times While Helping Save 20 Classmates Gets Visit From Sheriff
Inside Edition Inside Edition Staff,Inside Edition 2 hours 37 minutes ago


Among the heroes to emerge from the Florida school shooting horror is 15-year-old Anthony Borges, who local officials say was shot five times while helping save 20 of his fellow students.

Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel paid the teen a visit over the weekend as he continued to recover in a hospital.


"The Sheriff was honored to visit Anthony Borges,15, in the hospital. Anthony was shot five times. Fortunately, he is recovering, but has a long road ahead with more surgeries needed. Please join us in praying for the swift recovery of Anthony and all others from #StonemanDouglas," the office wrote in a tweet along with a touching photo of the sheriff's visit.


But menstral thinks his story is too biased and should not be heard....whatta an asshole

commie said...

Rat the hole proffers....

and that's exactly why this is bullshit

Which is exactly why the shoes are ready to be crammed up yours and trumps fat white asses. Enjoying watching you squirm like a stuck pig......