"What Obama told us to do...." pic.twitter.com/KEKHTx40j3— Rep. Steven Smith πΊπΈ (@RepStevenSmith) October 8, 2019
This all sounds reasonable, if that is really what happened. If all you did was attempt to determine what the "Russians" were doing, then there would have been no reason to garner FISA warrants against Trump campaign officials, or to use foreign operatives to reach out to Trump campaign officials, or to monitor the Trump campaign in any way.
But this has been the excuse by our intelligence for some time. The working backwards from an assumption that after three plus years they were never able to show any proof of. If there was never any "assumptions" made by our law enforcement, they would have worked in the correct direction. They would have monitored the Russians (who they believed committed the actions) and then looked at whom "they" were interacting. Then they could have followed that information to where it lead them. If it lead them back to Trump, then there you go. If it didn't, then it didn't. But that is generally the way you work these things. You monitor the criminals themselves.
Instead they picked their political opponents here in the United States and decided to monitor them, I guess on the off chance that they were actually conspiring. According to James Clapper, the responsibility for that judgement starts at the top.
Obama made me do it!
76 comments:
BWAAAAAAPAAAAAA!!!!!!!!! You have officially lost your mind.......Lil Scotty!!!!!! And no you can't be fixed!!!
"I was only following orders." Didn't work too well with Nazi war criminals .
WHY WAS THIS VIDEO SO ABRUPTLY CUT OFF, CH?
Trump Calls Impeachment Unconstitutional
October 8, 2019 at 9:52 pm EDT
Jonathan Chait:
“Advising President Trump on the law, and formally expressing his views thereof, is a pitiable task. Trump’s worldview is almost wholly incompatible with the law. The latter is premised on neutral rules, mediated by precedent and constructed with the goal of some notion of abstract fairness. The latter is rooted in an entitlement to absolute domination regardless of circumstance.
“The White House letter rejecting the House impeachment inquiry is an effort to reconcile the irreconcilable. At the level of tone, it reads like an extended Trumpian rally diatribe lightly edited by an attorney. At the level of substance, it is almost pure, uncut Trump. It repeats a series of immaterial, laughably false claims, surrounding the audacious thesis that impeaching Trump is literally illegal.”
Turkey Poised for Imminent Attack
October 9, 2019 at 6:44 am EDT
“Syrian Kurds issued a ‘general mobilization’ call in northeastern Syria along the border with Turkey on Wednesday, as Ankara poised for an imminent invasion of the area in the latest major escalation in the war-ravaged country,” the AP reports.
“Turkey has long threatened an attack on the Kurdish fighters in Syria whom Ankara considers terrorists allied with a Kurdish insurgency within Turkey. A Syrian war monitoring group, the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, reported Wednesday that people were fleeing the border town of Tal Abyad, which Turkey is expected to attack first.”
A Weak Argument Against Impeachment
October 9, 2019 at 7:05 am EDT
The AP on the White House letter yesterday declaring no cooperation with the House impeachment probe: “The White House document lacked much in the way of legal arguments, seemingly citing cable TV news appearances as often as case law. And legal experts cast doubt upon its effectiveness.”
Washington Post: “The White House letter, which lacked substantive legal arguments and echoed Trump’s political broadsides, capped a day of defiance and challenges as House Democrats have tried to force recalcitrant administration officials to divulge potentially incriminating information over Republican objections.”
Trump Calls Impeachment Unconstitutional
Certainly the way the house is going about it with secret testimony and star chamber tactics are unconstitutional.
Trump Basically Guarantees He’ll Be Impeached
October 9, 2019 at 7:06 am EDT
Playbook:
“OK, so now we see for sure what the White House strategy is. It’s not only to refuse to cooperate in the impeachment probe, but it’s also practically to deny that Congress has any legitimate right to impeach President DONALD TRUMP — period. This shouldn’t be surprising. We’ve been headed in this direction for a while now. It basically ensures the president will be impeached for interfering with the work of Congress.”
New York Times: “But in refusing to cooperate with what Mr. Trump on Tuesday called a ‘kangaroo court,’ the president risked ensuring the very outcome he would rather avoid.”
Quote of the Day
October 9, 2019 at 8:15 am EDT
“I’ve read the constitution a number of times and am having a hard time remembering where in the constitution it says that there has to be any formal vote by committee or by the Congress or the House to commence an investigation whether it might lead to or be motivated by the possibility of an impeachment. The problem for the White House is that there really is no appealing the process of impeachment the House uses.”
— Former White House counsel Jack Quinn, quoted by the Washington Post.
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Lindsey Graham Says Trump Is Putting Nation at Risk
October 9, 2019 at 7:48 am EDT
In an interview with Axios. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) condemned President Trump in his harshest language yet for deciding to withdraw U.S. troops from northern Syria, suggesting Trump is violating his oath of office by allowing Turkey to move in and attack the Kurds.
Said Graham: “I think he’s putting the nation at risk, and I think he’s putting his presidency at risk. And I hope he will adjust his policies like he did before. That would actually be a sign of real leadership.”
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Republicans Shift Their Ads to Impeachment
October 9, 2019 at 7:47 am EDT
Axios: “Trump’s campaign has poured millions of ad dollars into issues that resonate with his base. Immigration was the driver. Now, it’s impeachment.”
“It’s not just Trump — this is a party-wide effort to cash in. The House and Senate Republican committees are also putting the majority of their digital ad dollars behind impeachment.”
PUTTING ALL THE EGGS IN THAT BASKET...
IT AIN'T EVEN IN THE CONSTITUTION
The problem for the White House is that there really is no appealing the process of impeachment the House uses.
Anti-Trump Whistleblower Attorney Worked Directly For James Clapper
One of the attorneys representing the anonymous “whistleblowers” accusing President Donald Trump of conspiring with foreign leaders to interfere in the next U.S. presidential election used to report directly to former director of national intelligence James Clapper.
Charles McCullough, an attorney now representing the whistleblowers with Andrew Bakaj, a former staffer for Sens. Chuck Schumer and Hillary Clinton, was previously the inspector general of the intelligence community (ICIG) at the height of the Clinton email scandal.
https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/09/anti-trump-whistleblower-attorney-worked-directly-for-james-clapper/
get any swampier than that
Those democrat eggs are scrambling
as are the dems
ROFLMFAO !!! What a GREAT MORNING
Dennis, hit that big red Hillary Do over button.
π"You mean like mitch ignoring gun bills passed by congress"πΊπΈ
@davidharsanyi
What if the whistleblower had once worked for Biden? That would be wild.
and actually logical... can't let anyone see him/her or whatever they are identifying as.
rump’s Burn Down the House Plan
October 9, 2019 at 9:01 am EDT
Jonathan Swan: “President Trump, while nervous about the historic stain of impeachment, is throwing everything he has into this fight: refusing all cooperation, running ads to profit politically, and torching every person who stands in opposition to him.”
“When it all boils down, Trump really only trusts his own instincts. And his instincts here are the same as they were with the Mueller investigation: Fight like hell.”
The strategy: “No nuance or apology — not a hint of it. Turn the leader of the investigation (in this case, House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff) into a conservative media villain. Condemn Trump enemies in the most incendiary and exaggerated language possible (treason, traitors, coup, etc.).”
Well James, there is precedent and there is the constitutional protections provided for everyone who is accused of crimes (treason, bribery, high crimes and misdemeanors).
Now the House can play this however they want... and they do not have to follow any precedents if that is how they want to play it. The don't have to allow the President to be represented. They don't have to allow the Republicans to call or question any witnesses. They don't have to provide anyone any transcripts of their secret testimony of their secret witnesses.
But we all know that this was not the procedure that our Founding Fathers were allowing for with impeachment, and we know that no other impeachment has been done behind closed doors with only one of the Political Parties taking part.
So at best, they can claim that the impeachment process is a whatever they want it to be, but at worst we know that they are not following any of the decorum or precedent provided by previous impeachment proceedings and doing so because they want to keep it secret and they want to simply control the narrative.
But that being the case, then I see no good reason for the White House or anyone in the executive branch to take part.
I don't believe that reasonable people would expect that someone can be expected to be brought into this sort of situation where they quite literally are being stripped of all of their constitutional rights.
All they are asking for is a fair process where they can be represented, cross examine witnesses, and actually see the transcripts.
I hate the fact that I have to continue to point this out, but this will not fly in the Senate. If the House impeaches, then the "trial" will happen in the Senate.
And that will work like a trial.
What do you supposed the General Public will remember out of all of this.
The behind the scenes cloak and dagger release nothing to anyone House impeachment. Where all you get is a vote.
Or the actual out in the open, call your witnesses, cross examinations, and the sitting USSC Chief Justice proceeding over everything trial taking place in the Senate.
I can tell you this. The Democrats are going to have a much bigger problem not wanting to participate in the Senate Trial (not wanting their star witness to testify, being upset that the President gets to call witnesses, and having to listen to DOJ experts tell them they are wrong about the law)... than the President not wanting to participate in this.
Turkish Offensive Into Syria Has Started
October 9, 2019 at 9:33 am EDT
Turkish President Erdogan announced in tweet that Turkish offensive into northeast Syria has started.
New York Times: “Turkey’s planned move to root out Kurdish militants in northeastern Syria, after the United States withdrew its forces from two observation posts near the border, has sparked fierce debates in Washington and could open a dangerous new front in Syria’s eight-year-old war.”
Bonus Quote of the Day
October 9, 2019 at 9:31 am EDT
“Now can we call it a constitutional crisis?”
— Sen. Brian Schatz (D-HI), on Twitter.
@realDonaldTrump
Fighting between various groups that has been going on for hundreds of years. USA should never have been in Middle East. Moved our 50 soldiers out. Turkey MUST take over captured ISIS fighters that Europe refused to have returned. The stupid endless wars, for us, are ending!
Blood on his hands does not bother trump or his minions here....they are only dirty arabs and deserve everything they get!!!!!!! Soooo Sad!!!
For the first time in US history, the house of representatives is trying to impeach a duly elected president without a vote to authorize it.
Just let that sink in for a moment. Never in history has this happened.
@MattWolking
BREAKING: 9 Republican Senators are asking the Justice Department about the status of 4 criminal referrals made by the Senate Judiciary Committee regarding the baseless allegations made against Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh during his confirmation. https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/news-releases/senators-seek-status-update-criminal-referrals-spurious-allegations-made-during …
were being protected by the swamp.... bet Barr gets this going
Pelosi is counting on a quick vote with few or possibly no public hearings prior.
She is hoping that McConnell decides to dispose of it quickly in the Senate, possibly even getting the Chief Justice to dismiss it or having a majority of the Senate vote to dismiss it.
Pelosi is smarter than Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib and the rest of the impeachment crazies. Pelosi knows that the last thing that the public will remember isn't going to be what they did in the House, but what happens in the Senate.
She also knows that what comes around goes around. The more that the Democrats refuse to allow Republicans and the President to have a say in their process, the more justification there is for McConnell to do the same in the Senate.
The Senate Republicans will come with the legal documents from the Office of Legal counsel stating for a fact that the witness is not a legal whistle blower and is not provided any of the legal protections that Democrats insist this person (or people) have. They will call the witnesses, and these witnesses will not show.
Then what?
Chief Justice is not going to allow secret transcripts to be used in an impeachment trial. Especially one where Democrats themselves have declared it a "political process" rather than a legal one. A political process demands that the public is informed. They will need to know who the complainants are and what their ties to the Democratic Party is and whether or not they were motivated by politics.
Because there were many people on that call, and so far none of them have publicly stated that they had any problems with it.
The claim that Pelosi's letter did not refute the letter she received is untrue.
She said that the President "is not above the law."
Ch, stop trying to blow smoke.
If the Constitution does not lay out a specific requirement for beginning to examine whether impeachment is in order, that is just the way it is.
As for the President having a chance to defend himself, why of course, that will come later.
Meanwhile, he is digging his own grave by trying to keep the investigation from even happening.
Keep digging, Mr. President. Keep refusing to let important people, many of them your own supporters, answer any questions.
Myballs said...
For the first time in US history, the house of representatives is trying to impeach a duly elected president without a vote to authorize it.
and doing it behind closed doors with secret witnesses and "parody" readings
Outrageous
but highly ILLUMINATING
Are Schiff and Pelosi and the dems above the law?
guess we need to find out in court
@ToddHeadleeAZ
The Democrats have managed to create an underdog in @POTUS @realDonaldTrump to even people who didn't vote for him. Everyone loves and pulls for the underdog. Trump landslide in the making...
and while outrageous conduct by the dems every step brings a smile about the long-term outcome
JUST IN TIME FOR TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN (THAT IS, IF HE IS STILL AROUND TO HAVE ONE):
All the President’s Women
October 9, 2019 at 9:30 am EDT
Esquire:
“If you thought the Access Hollywood tape was the opening salvo in the story of Donald Trump’s transgressions against women, think again. In All the President’s Women: Donald Trump and the Making of a Predator, journalists Barry Levine and Monique El-Faizy draw on over 100 interviews, many of them exclusive, to craft a detailed history of Trump’s relationships with women, stretching back to his childhood and education as well as his rise through real estate, entertainment, and politics. What emerges from the authors’ reporting is a portrait of a predator who hides behind wealth and institutional power to frequently harass and abuse women.
“While the president has publicly faced allegations from two dozen women, this book reveals another 43 allegations of alleged inappropriate behavior, including 26 instances of unwanted sexual contact.”
WELL, ACTUALLY, I JUST WALK UP AND GRAB THEM BY THE...
The world under democrat rule, TODAY
https://twitter.com/davidpaulk/status/1181894853707235328
Impeach Trump, Repeatedly
October 9, 2019 at 10:05 am EDT
Charles Blow:
“When the Democratic leadership was finally forced to formally back an impeachment inquiry, they faced a choice: focus broadly on all of Donald Trump’s corruption and unfitness, which could drag on for a long time, or focus narrowly on the new revelations about Trump and Ukraine and do so quickly. They chose the latter.
“I happen to agree with that strategy, if one assumes that you only have one shot at this. But, I also propose another scenario: Do both.
"Draw up articles of impeachment on the narrow case of Ukraine, but don’t close the impeachment inquiry. Keep it open and ready to draw up more articles as new corruption is uncovered. Impeach Trump repeatedly if necessary.”
“There is nothing in the Constitution that prevents a president from being impeached more than once.”
@WardDPatrick
NEW: Multiple admin officials tell Fox News that when Robert Mueller met w/ President Trump in May of 2017, Mueller was indeed pursuing the open post as the director of the FBI – something he denied under oath during congressional testimony this summer-via @BretBaier @JakeBGibson
Is deep state protector Mueller above the law?
Trump Defends His Middle East Policy
October 9, 2019 at 10:08 am EDT By Taegan Goddard Leave a Comment
As Turkish forces move into Syria, President Trump defended his foreign policy in the Middle East in a pair of bombastic tweets this morning.
Said Trump: “The United States has spent EIGHT TRILLION DOLLARS fighting and policing in the Middle East. Thousands of our Great Soldiers have died or been badly wounded. Millions of people have died on the other side. GOING INTO THE MIDDLE EAST IS THE WORST DECISION EVER MADE IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY!”
He added: “We went to war under a false & now disproven premise, WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. There were NONE! Now we are slowly & carefully bringing our great soldiers & military home. Our focus is on the BIG PICTURE! THE USA IS GREATER THAN EVER BEFORE!”
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Er... Mr. President in Name Only,
Didn't you criticize Obama for removing troops from Iraq too soon? And now you are flying against the advice of all your military advisers by abandoning a long term ally?
Oh, I forgot. You know more than all of your generals put together.
@dbongino
When are we going to get the transcripts from the Obama administration’s negotiations with the Iranians? Remember, the negotiations they insisted weren’t happening??
Remember when Obama was actually lying on a GRAND SCALE !!!
then sent PALLETS of CASH
Actual criminal behavior?
This President In Name Only asked for no advice at all and even blindsided his generals and the entire Pentagon in doing that.
Sorta Hitleresque, that.
@Bubblebathgirl
BREAKING
Email chain to be released showing that @Comey and @JohnBrennan knew that the Steele dossier was unverified when it was used to obtain FISA warrants to spy on the Trump campaign.
This is the beginning of the end for James Comey and John Brennan.
IG report coming soon.
SPEAKING of ACTUAL CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR
ROFLMFAO !!!
Are theu above the law???
Dennis, hit that big red Hillary Do over button.
π"You mean like mitch ignoring gun bills passed by congress"πΊπΈ
* they
ROFLMFAO !!!
It Took a Long Time For GOP To Abandon Nixon
October 9, 2019 at 10:23 am EDT
Amelia Thomson-DeVeaux:
“Support for impeachment had grown slowly over the course of 1974, but there still wasn’t an overwhelming public consensus behind it until right before Nixon left office in early August. And Republican support for Nixon had remained mostly strong, even in the face of a scandal that consumed his second term. As the truth about the scope of Nixon’s misconduct emerged, though, impeachment became increasingly popular and the president lost even his most fervent defenders in Congress.
“Of course, there are many differences between the Nixon impeachment and the Democrats’ current inquiry, which is still in its early stages, and each impeachment investigation will unfold differently. But as today’s Republicans are scrutinized for signs that they might turn on Trump, it’s important to remember that even in Watergate, it took more than a year of investigation — and a lot of evidence against Nixon — to reach the point where Republicans like Hogan were voting for impeachment.”
________________
Yep. I had an uncle and an aunt who thought Nixon was innocent right up until he got on the helicopter.
The OBAMA CRIMINAL CARTEL is CRACKING
and they are fighting with every last ounce
boy they must be getting tired and getting ready to face the inevitable.
Many cornered criminals do desperate acts.
WHAT WILL THE OBAMA CRIME SYYNDICATE DO ??
we'll soon find out.
ROFLMFAO !!!
yep.
would you like a loved one investigated and charged by the rule The Speaker in Name Only Polosi is using?
@tedfrank
Hillary put pressure on Ronan Farrow to spike Weinstein story. (In contrast, Woody Allen refused
https://twitter.com/tedfrank/status/1181919772721725443
@DonaldJTrumpJr
Ahhhh good times. Happy third anniversary to one of the great comebacks of all time.
https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1181918781259571200
is trying to impeach a duly elected president without a vote to authorize it.
Sample size......2,,,,,,,SO FUCKING WHAT....So me the passage in the constitution that requires it you dumb fuck...
I used to be offended by JAMES'S F---ing Daddy's posts.
Now I Laugh. Thanks.
Has President In Name Only Trump Put his Own Business Interests ahead of America's and the Kurds' Well Being?
------------His sudden announcement pulling troops out of Syria came right after a telephone call with Turkey's dictator.
READ ABOUT IT HERE:
Donald Trump's Business Ties to Turkey in the Spotlight
-----------NBC News with Heidi Przbyla, Anna Shecter, and Rich Gardella Oct 9th 2019 8:19AM
ansasDemocrat said...
Dennis, hit that big red Hillary Do over button.
While your old fat white mouth is firmly implanted on trumps dick you asshole....
@theamgreatness
Durham Broadens Investigation into 2016 Russia Probe, Adds More Agents and Resources
https://amgreatness.com/2019/10/08/durham-broadens-investigation-into-2016-russia-probe-adds-more-agents-and-resources/#.XZ1RLUu6vdY.twitter
Chasing ACTUAL CRIMES. No wonder the OBAMA CRIME SYNDICATE is worried.
"just following the boss's orders"...
@DonaldJTrumpJr
Of course they did!!! Honestly, at this point any reasonable American, even those of different political opinions, have to see this bullshit for what it is. Right?
Ukraine whistleblower previously worked with unnamed 2020 Democratic candidate - Axios
@AsheSchow
Why did it take the whistleblower 18 days to report Trump’s allegedly egregious demands to Ukraine president?
(I list some possibilities in article)
https://www.dailywire.com/news/intelligence-committee-ig-couldnt-account-for-the-18-day-gap-between-trumps-ukraine-call-and-the-whistleblowers-complaint
Something tells me this wasn't really "urgent" ? Wonder what that could be? A real puzzler...
The House impeachment inquiry is not a real impeachment inquiry because no vote has been taken. But just in case you think you can get around this by taking a vote, forget it.
1:The inquiry is also invalid because Democrats “have not established any procedures affording the President even the most basic protections demanded by due process under the Constitution and by fundamental fairness.”
2:The impeachment inquiry is nothing more than a “naked political strategy” to overturn the 2016 election. It’s totally invalid.
3:There’s no legitimate basis for the inquiry because President Trump’s call to the president of Ukraine was “completely appropriate” and everyone knows it.
This is batshit insane. Due process is for the impeachment trial, not the initial inquiry. The political motivation for impeachment is irrelevant. And the whole point of the inquiry is to establish whether Trump did anything wrong. The fact that Trump himself says he did nothing wrong is hardly conclusive evidence.
It provided talking points.
On a legal basis it's just a steaming pot of bullshit.
https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/10/trump-announces-plan-to-unconditionally-stonewall-congress/
President in name only? Before you said he was a controlling dictator. So which is it? You seem confused.
Every defendant can claim innocence.
An inquiry prior to impeachment hearings is legal and Constitutional.
Representative Steven Smith is as credible as rrb.
Below are some of the most gobsmacking lines in the letter:
Characterizing the impeachment inquiry as a “dangerous path”
"
Never before in our history has the House of Representatives — under the control of either political party — taken the American people down the dangerous path you seem determined to pursue. "
2. Accusing House Democrats of attempting to “overturn” Trump’s 2016 win
"
Put simply, you seek to overturn the results of the 2016 election and deprive the American people of the President they have freely chosen. "
3. Reiterating the White House’s talking point that Trump’s now-infamous July call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was a “perfect” conversation, despite how its own “memorandum” showed Trump pressuring Ukraine to dig up bogus allegations on the Bidens.
"
The record clearly established that the call was completely appropriate and that there is no basis for your inquiry "
4. Theorizing that the Democrats’ impeachment inquiry risks “deepening divisions in the country”
"
Precisely because it nullifies the outcome of the democratic process, impeachment of the President is fraught with the risk of deepening divisions in the country and creating long-lasting rifts in the body politic. Unfortunately, you are now playing out exactly the partisan rush to judgment that the Founders so strongly warned against. The American people deserve much better than this "
5. Asserting that the President was left with “no choice” but to refuse to comply with the impeachment process
"
Because participating in this inquiry under the current unconstitutional posture would inflict lasting institutional harm on the Executive Branch and lasting damage to the separation of powers, you have left the President no choice. "
6. Arguing that the Democrats’ “constitutionally illegitimate proceedings” are a distraction to Trump
"
For the foregoing reasons, the President cannot allow your constitutionally illegitimate proceedings to distract him and those in the Executive Branch from their work on behalf of the American people. "
The White House took issue with the House not holding a floor vote to initiate the impeachment inquiry. But a senior administration official declined to say whether the White House would cooperate with the probe if such an action were taken.
“I am not going to try to provide particular red lines or things like that,” the official said. “The letter, I think, speaks for itself about flaws — we’d have to see what the House wants to do try to remedy them.”
Certified crazy people
"MyballsOctober 9, 2019 at 10:03 AM
President in name only? Before you said he was a controlling dictator. So which is it? You seem confused."
Jane attempted to rip me off with copying my Speaker in Name Only Polosi.
Jane is a very unoriginal gurl.
what a great Day , clouding up, raining soon , more benifitial weather for my Land, my Animals and my Family.
They're not saying it's a prior to impeachment inquiry. They're callibg it an impeachment inquiry. Pity you can't distinguish the important difference.
Alky Is so stupid.
" I am announcing the House of Representatives is moving forward with an official impeachment inquiry" Speaker in Name Only Polosi
How did Roger miss it?
she is a POS.
"Pelosi has said that Democrats don't need to take a vote and has shown little interest in doing so after she announced last month the House would open an impeachment inquiry, accusing the White House of trying to play politics and arguing that House rules don't require a vote."
Speaker in Name Only Polosi
Trump keeps winning.
"China buys 600,000 tons of US soybeans after trade talks...."
"Benchmark U.S. soybean futures on the Chicago Board of Trade jumped more than 1 percent because of the news, Reuters"
The inquiry is also invalid because Democrats “have not established any procedures affording the President even the most basic protections demanded by due process under the Constitution and by fundamental fairness.”
If they followed the same procedures that the GOP followed during the Clinton impeachment, then none of this would be a problem. There were House committee votes to make it official, and Clinton was provided with the same due process that President Trump is asking for.
All of the cards were on the table, everyone knew the witnesses, and the actual articles of impeachment were clearly written out as they pertained to how Clinton would have been charged in court had he not been President. There was no pretense that impeachment was "political" and didn't require any "real crime" as defined.
So perhaps one of you can tell us what the justification ACTUALLY IS for treating it differently than other impeachment processes?
Why is it that absolutely EVERYTHING associated with this President seems to prompt Democrats to change the rules, change the game, change the protocol, change the way they see the law, etc... etc...
What possible reason is there for the 2019 115th Congressional Democrats not to act the same way that the first 114 Congresses acted? Why can't they just follow the same damned rules as every other Congress?
The President may be unconventional at times, but an Administration calling on foreign leaders and requesting assistance for an investigation has probably happened hundreds, if not thousands of times in our nation's history. Never before has it been question.
Certainly not when our previous administration secured help from at least three different countries while they investigated the 2016 GOP candidate for President and his campaign staff.
Due process is for the impeachment trial, not the initial inquiry.
well alky, it's like this -
the "inquiry" as it stands, currently does not contain any subpoena power. lil schitt has been reduced to sending people strongly worded threatening letters to build his "case."
without subpoena power lil schitt has effectively hamstrung himself, and also as a result, has rendered his inquiry to something of a cartoon status. a status that is most certainly not meant to be taken seriously by anyone other than the low information democrat base, and Stage IV TDS sufferers like yourself.
simply put, this is a fucking joke. and trump has absolutely no obligation, legal or otherwise, to participate in this fucking clown show.
lil schitt has crafted a scenario that is completely dependent upon voluntary cooperation from the white house.
trump is well within his legal rights to tell schitt, you, and every other rabid liberal on the planet to GO FUCK THEMSELVES.
This is batshit insane. Due process is for the impeachment trial, not the initial inquiry.
so trump is supposed to suspend his constitutional right to due process until the actual trial? and it's trump who's violating the constitution?
The political motivation for impeachment is irrelevant. And the whole point of the inquiry is to establish whether Trump did anything wrong.
the political motivation for impeachment is completely relevant since impeachment is a political and not criminal process.
you did get the point of the inquiry part right. it is to establish if trump did anything wrong. so go to court and get what you need alky. trump is under no obligation to impeach himself, and that's what you assholes really need to happen in order to succeed.
Secretary of State Pompeo message to Speaker in Name Only Polosi .
π
Flashback Quote of the Day
October 9, 2019 at 11:25 am EDT
“The day Richard Nixon failed to answer that subpoena is the day he was subject to impeachment because he took the power from Congress over the impeachment process away from Congress, and he became the judge and jury.”
— Rep. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), on the Senate floor arguing in favor of Bill Clinton’s impeachment in 1998.
Hey, Ch. Did you see that last?
Better think about it, long and hard.
Man, I tell ya. When Roger fails he does so in spectacular fashion .
"Due process is for the impeachment trial, not the initial inquiry. "
You want the Police in the US to conduct themselves as you saction?
"...and arguing that House rules don't require a vote."
poli-grip pelosi is engaging in semantics. and her low-info base like the alky are just stupid enough to accept it.
the INQUIRY in and of itself doesn't require a vote.
actual impeachment DOES however. and this is where the effort falls through its own ass.
would you like a loved one investigated and charged by the rule The Speaker in Name Only Polosi is using?
Blogger James said...
Hey, Ch. Did you see that last?
Better think about it, long and hard.
this one?
“The day Richard Nixon failed to answer that subpoena is the day he was subject to impeachment because he took the power from Congress over the impeachment process away from Congress, and he became the judge and jury.”
hmmm... thinking... thinking...
not long and not hard.
guess what's missing pederast?
A FUCKING SUBPOENA.
derp.
guess what else is missing in comparison to the clinton impeachment?
an actual documented crime.
derp, derp.
Why are the Socialist Democrats excluding Republicans from talking with The 2 Whistle blowers?
NBA is screwing them in support of Red Commies China.
Pres. Trump will be facing a Socialist Democrat in 2020.
Warren and Bernie both lead Pay for Play Biden.
Yeah James...
Well Richard Nixon actually committed real crimes and talk of his impeachment were not a partisan issue. Both sides believed he committed crimes because he actually committed crimes that were actual real crimes you can find in our Statutes.
You didn't have to change reality to make your case.
You know where an "investigation" becomes "digging up dirt" or "election interference".
We have been a nation for over 240 years and nobody has ever suggested that it's a crime to investigate someone, simply because they happen to be running for Political office. Hell, I will bet that investigations into politicians once they declare or start a run probably run into the hundreds, and NOT A SINGLE TIME was anyone charged with election interference for those investigations.
FOUR MAJOR POLLS SHOW AMERICANS BACK IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY
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Ch, Ch, Ch, calm down. Your precious President is not being impeached. Investigations are just going on to determine whether he will be impeached.
He must be very afraid of being legitimately impeached since he is trying to interfere with the mere investigation.
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