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So now that the first whistle blower complaint has started to completely fall apart, the media is suggesting that there is going to be a "second" whistle blower or something like that. The person in question has not made up his/her mind, but is considering filing a new complaint since they were "closer" to the actual events than the first whistle blower.
Technically, the new whistle blower would need to come up with a "new" complaint citing a new set of circumstances. Two people are not necessary to whistle blow the same complaint (unless they happen to come out at the same time). The process of investigating this particular complaint has already been in place for a while. Someone who is a witness to the first complaint has no reason to file their "own" complaint. In fact, it may not actually even be allowed.
The motivation for this would only be to either be to publicize themselves or perhaps believe that filing their own complaint would provide them with similar protection from being an open witness in the events. Or just flat out they want to do it for political reasons. Either way, this appears like more media frenzy, just like we have seen in the past. Unsubstantiated rumors from unidentified sources claiming to know people close to the situation. Nearly none of them ever turn out true, but lets report them anyways and complain when people call the media "fake news".
The silly thing is that there isn't much more to argue about. The transcripts have been released and they have been confirmed by the people we know were on the call. Trump did not tie anything to the possibility of investigating Biden. Nobody denies that he is calling on Ukraine to do so. We already know that it's perfectly legal for Ukraine to investigate Republicans during an election cycle, because they did in in 2016. The argument (as silly as it is) is whether or not it's actually legal to have Ukraine investigate a Democrat, because apparently some would like us to have a different legal standard in play for Democrats.
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😅 using the Ballhanging Ford model.
God we have to stop asking "How stupid are these Socialist Democrats "
They have taken it as a Challenge.
John Brennan is headed for indictment and is pulling out all the stops to stop it.
The lost years
The sentence I hear most from well-meaning, conservative friends since President Trump’s election is this: “We suffered 8 years under Barack Obama.”
Fair enough. Let’s take a look.
The day Obama took office, the Dow closed at 7,949 points. Eight years later, the Dow had almost tripled.
General Motors and Chrysler were on the brink of bankruptcy, with Ford not far behind, and their failure, along with their supply chains, would have meant the loss of millions of jobs. Obama pushed through a controversial, $8o billion bailout to save the car industry. The U.S. car industry survived, started making money again, and the entire $80 billion was paid back, with interest.
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While we remain vulnerable to lone-wolf attacks, no foreign terrorist organization has successfully executed a mass attack here since 9/11.
Obama ordered the raid that killed Osama Bin Laden.
He drew down the number of troops from 180,000 in Iraq and Afghanistan to just 15,000, and increased funding for the Department of Veterans Affairs.
He launched a program called Opening Doors which, since 2010, has led to a 47 percent decline in the number of homeless veterans.
He set a record 73 straight months of private-sector job growth.
Due to Obama’s regulatory policies, greenhouse gas emissions decreased by 12%, production of renewable energy more than doubled, and our dependence on foreign oil was cut in half.
He signed The Lilly Ledbetter Act, making it easier for women to sue employers for unequal pay.
His Omnibus Public Lands Management Act designated more than 2 million acres as wilderness, creating thousands of miles of trails and protecting over 1,000 miles of rivers.
He reduced the federal deficit from 9.8 percent of GDP in 2009 to 3.2 percent in 2016.
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For all the inadequacies of the Affordable Care Act, we seem to have forgotten that, before the ACA, you could be denied coverage for a pre-existing condition and kids could not stay on their parents’ policies up to age 26.
Obama approved a $14.5 billion system to rebuild the levees in New Orleans.
All this, even as our own Mitch McConnell famously asserted that his singular mission would be to block anything President Obama tried to do.
While Obama failed on his campaign pledge to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay, that prison’s population decreased from 242 to around 50.
He expanded funding for embryonic stem cell research, supporting groundbreaking advancement in areas like spinal injury treatment and cancer.
Credit card companies can no longer charge hidden fees or raise interest rates without advance notice.
Most years, Obama threw a 4th of July party for military families. He held babies, played games with children, served barbecue, and led the singing of “Happy Birthday” to his daughter Malia, who was born on July 4.
Welfare spending is down: for every 100 poor families, just 24 receive cash assistance, compared with 64 in 1996.
Obama comforted families and communities following more than a dozen mass shootings. After Sandy Hook, he said, “The majority of those who died today were children, beautiful little kids between the ages of 5 and 10 years old.”
Yet, he never took away anyone’s guns.
He sang Amazing Grace, spontaneously, at the altar.
He was the first president since Eisenhower to serve two terms without personal or political scandal.
He was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
President Obama was not perfect, as no man and no president is, and you can certainly disagree with his political ideologies. But to say we suffered? If that’s the argument, if this is how we suffered for 8 years under Barack Obama, I have one wish: may we be so fortunate as to suffer 8 more.
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Like I've said the crapped out on the first "whistleblower" and now they are to convince a second operative to testify.
Trouble is the Democrats never learn from their mistakes. They have already corrupted the credibility of the second by talking to him.
Right now they are just throw shit on the wall to see if anything sticks.
I just looked at the New York times and didn't find what you lied about.
Your lying
You have lost your mind Scott.
Of course not. You only see what you want to see you TDS infected moron.
WASHINGTON — Weeks before the whistleblower's complaint became public, the CIA's top lawyer made what she considered to be a criminal referral to the Justice Department about the whistleblower's allegations that President Donald Trump abused his office in pressuring the Ukrainian president, U.S. officials familiar with the matter tell NBC News.
The move by the CIA's general counsel, Trump appointee Courtney Simmons Elwood, meant she and other senior officials had concluded a potential crime had been committed, raising more questions about why the Justice Department later declined to open an investigation.
The phone call that Elwood considered to be a criminal referral is in addition to the referral later received as a letter from the Inspector General for the Intelligence Community regarding the whistleblower complaint.
Justice Department officials said they were unclear whether Elwood was making a criminal referral and followed up with her later to seek clarification but she
In the days since the anonymous whistleblower complaint was made public accusing him of wrongdoing, Trump has lashed out at his accuser and other insiders who provided the accuser with information, suggesting they were improperly spying on what was a "perfect" call between him and the Ukrainian president.
But a timeline provided by U.S. officials familiar with the matter shows that multiple senior government officials appointed by Trump found the whistleblower's complaints credible, troubling and worthy of further inquiry starting soon after the president's July phone call.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/cia-s-top-lawyer-made-criminal-referral-whistleblower-s-complaint-n1062481
The New York Times newspaper has no such story.
Yes - we all know that while it's perfectly legal to ask foreign countries to assist in investigating Republicans during political campaigns...
It's likely illegal when it's a Democrat who is being investigated.
It is funny to see Roger who actually has and is going for mental health help.
Thanks Roger. what a loser.
That's the White House plan.
Try to make solicitation as normal behavior.
Manafort was convicted.
Your claiming that the investigation into his case, was motivated by the Obama administration in order to damage Trump. You have zero evidence of your allegations. Breitbart is not a reliable source.
I cited the law that the President clearly violated.
Dow Jones was down 275 points for the week.
The Three Socialist Stooges of CHT Called it a "Crash".
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roger amick keeps asking this but doesn't tell us where or why.
anyways if Biden gets convicted everything will be OK just like Manafort, at least according to roger.
@steph93065
It’s telling that our media doesn’t see the spying and leaking of the President’s phone calls as a national security threat, which it undoubtably is.
@ChatByCC
The democrats and fake news are like the boy who cried wolf.
Everyone ignores what they say. And no one believes them.
@Shem_Infinite
The corrupt media that spent the last two weeks telling us the first fake whistleblower had direct knowledge has now abandoned that talking point completely. This newest attempt to keep this farce going proves they realize the last whistleblower has been completely discredited.
@paulsperry_
The Democrat whistleblower who complained about Trump digging up dirt in Ukraine was himself helping dig up dirt in Ukraine against Trump (and Manafort) while working in the Obama White House during 2016 campaign.
or manufacturing dirt
Somebody please wake up Mitt Romney and tell him that my conversation with the Ukrainian President was a congenial and very appropriate one, and my statement on China pertained to corruption, not politics. If Mitt worked this hard on Obama, he could have won. Sadly, he choked!
This is a lie.
Michael Avenatti will represent whistle blowers four and five
NY Times is reporting rumor that makes no sense.
The Leftist act as if we are not going to vet these cowards.
Roger is a humorless clinically Depressed asshole.
Roger how is it that a man of your wealth is living in a pisshole apartment wearing Salvation Army used clothing?
Ask for a friend.
What Has Barr Been Investigating?
October 5, 2019 at 12:00 pm EDT
“For months, President Trump’s allies have been raising expectations for prosecutor John Durham’s investigation into the origins of the Russia probe, predicting that he will uncover a deep state plot to stage a ‘coup’ against the president,” Politico reports.
“But in the five months since Attorney General Bill Barr tapped Durham to investigate the origins of the Russia probe, and whether any inappropriate ‘spying’ occurred on members of the Trump campaign, he has not requested interviews with any of the FBI or DOJ employees who were directly involved in, or knew about, the opening of the Russia investigation in 2016, according to people familiar with the matter. The omission raises questions about what, exactly, Durham—alongside Attorney General Bill Barr—has been investigating.”
Ambassador to Give Deposition to House Panels
“Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union ensnared in the impeachment inquiry of President Trump, will give a deposition to House committees investigating the president’s pressure on a foreign leader to investigate a domestic political rival,” the Washington Post reports.
“Sondland will meet behind closed doors Tuesday with the three panels — Intelligence, Foreign Affairs and House Oversight — spearheading the probe.”
@LizRNC
Never forget: the media used fake dirt compiled by a foreign national who took disinformation from Russians on @realDonaldTrump, paid for by the DNC, Hillary, and Obama's FBI, and blasted the fake Russia conspiracy theory on our airwaves for over 2 years
https://twitter.com/LizRNC/status/1180520316013092864
@PARISDENNARD
“African Americans built this nation, you know you’re just starting to get the credit for that. ..You were such a massive part of that, bigger than you’re given credit for” President @realDonaldTrump at #BLS2019 White House Address
FAKE NEWS and Dem leaders and "pastor" call our president a white supremist. That's just a BIG LIE and they know it.
Second Official May File Whistleblower Report
“A second intelligence official who was alarmed by President Trump’s dealings with Ukraine is weighing whether to file his own formal whistle-blower complaint and testify to Congress,” the New York Times reports.
“The official has more direct information about the events than the first whistle-blower, whose complaint that Mr. Trump was using his power to get Ukraine to investigate his political rivals touched off an impeachment inquiry. The second official is among those interviewed by the intelligence community inspector general to corroborate the allegations of the original whistle-blower, one of the people said.
“A new complaint, particularly from someone closer to the events, would potentially add further credibility to the account of the first whistle-blower, a CIA officer who was detailed to the National Security Council at one point.”
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Commensa says he would perjure himself.
But you can't do that simply by telling the truth, and he has already apparently told the truth to the intelligence community inspector general by corroborating the allegations of the original whistle-blower. LOL
Lordie, the Ballhanging Ford model .
GOP senator says diplomat told him Trump was withholding aid to ensure investigations
Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, a staunch Trump ally, told The Wall Street Journal the diplomat's comments made him 'wince.' '
Sen. Ron Johnson, a top Republican ally of President Donald Trump, said a U.S. diplomat told him in August that the Trump administration had frozen almost $400 million in aid to Ukraine because the president wanted a commitment that Kyiv would carry out investigations related to U.S. elections.
The Wisconsin senator, in an interview with The Wall Street Journal published Friday, said he called Trump about the allegation on Aug. 31, and that Trump vehemently denied it.
"He said—expletive deleted—'No way. I would never do that. Who told you that?" Johnson recounted Trump as telling him in the call, according to the paper.
Johnson told The Wall Street Journal that he was informed of the allegations by U.S. ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland.
Speaking to reporters in Sheboygan, Wisconsin, before The Wall Street Journal story was published, Johnson said that during the Aug. 31 talk, he asked Trump to "give me the authority to tell [Ukrainian] President [Volodymyr] Zelinskiy that we were going to provide that" aid.
"I didn't succeed," Johnson said, according to audio of the interview posted by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
As for why not, Johnson said Trump had concerns, including about "what happened in 2016."
Text messages detail alarm from State Department official over policy toward Ukraine
"He was very consistent on why he was considering it. It was corruption overall generalized, but yeah, no doubt about it, what happened in 2016, what happened in 2016, what was the truth about that, and then the fact that our NATO partners don’t step up to the plate,” Johnson said...
Johnson told The Wall Street Journal that he’d reached out to Sondland after discovering the aid, which Johnson had advocated for, had been frozen. Sondland said the administration had been working on an arrangement with Ukraine in which the country would appoint a new prosecutor general and move to “get to the bottom of what happened in 2016—if President Trump has that confidence, then he’ll release the military spending,” Johnson told the paper.
The senator said the suggestion made him "wince." "My reaction was: 'Oh, God. I don’t want to see those two things combined,'" Johnson told the paper.
@nytimes
Breaking News: A second official with more direct information about President Trump and Ukraine is said be considering whether to file a whistle-blower complaint
Jubal E. Harshaw Retweeted The New York Times
Considering?
So he’s leaking it to the NYT as he considers? Sounds legit.
Joe Stallings Replying to @nytimes
If you've been paying attention to the m.o., this was known.
1. Christine-Blasey Ford - story not corroborated
2. Deborah Ramirez - story not corroborated
3. Julie Swetnick - story retracted
1. Whistleblower #1 - hearsay
2. Whistleblower #2 also -???
3. Soon, another
trust in FAKE NEWS continues to fall - wonder why
"He said—expletive deleted—'No way. I would never do that. Who told you that?" Johnson recounted Trump as telling him in the call, according to the paper.
First-hand account confirming Trump, thanks
@pastormarkburns
So great to see so many proud Black @realDonaldTrump supporters here at The @WhiteHouse. #BLS2019
https://twitter.com/pastormarkburns/status/1180228477187964936
@RWPUSA
Another whistleblower. @realDonaldTrump is in deep doo-doo.
2nd Official Is Weighing Whether to Blow the Whistle on Trump’s Ukraine Dealings
TheLastRefuge Retweeted Richard W. Painter
This has to be the dumbest narrative enhancement in political history.
The call transcript is released. If someone has something to add,... the doofus can go directly to congress now. No need for the drama.
Oh, hey, wait, maybe the *drama* is the objective.
Avenatti looks like he's constipated.
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