This current issue with the Trump/Zelensky phone call controversy is probably the perfect example for a variety of reasons. Let's first explore what the allegations have been:
- That Trump blatantly withheld aid to force Zelensky to "dig up dirt" on a political rival by reopening an investigation into Hunter Biden.
- That Trump may not have withheld, but still asked Zelensky to "dig up dirt".
- That Trump blatantly withheld aid to force Zelensky to "interfere in the 2020 election" by cooperating in an investigation into Ukrainian interference into our 2016 election.
- That Trump is asking Zelensky to "interfere in the 2020 election" by cooperating in an investigation into Ukrainian interference into our 2016 election.
The first thing that Democrats and their liberal media cronies like to do is editorialize the facts.
- An investigation becomes "digging up dirt"
- An investigation becomes "election interference"
Then they simply "remove" the term investigation when they explain things. Trump is not calling for an investigation, Trump is asking a foreign leader to "dig up dirt". Barr and Durham are not leading an investigation into 2016 election interference, they are engaging in 2020 election interference by asking around about Ukrainian involvement in the 2016 election.
So by the end of all of this, what will be left is the fact that Barr and Durham are leading a DOJ investigation into 2016 election interference that Comey, Brennan, Clapper, and Mueller refused to look into. This investigation is just as warranted and just as important as the investigation into Russian interference.
But Democrats know that while the investigation into Russian interference was good for their political fortunes, investigations into Ukrainian interference will be bad for their political fortunes. This is why they are so desperate to stop it by any means possible. Right now, they are quite literally attempting to demand that the President actually supporting this investigation is an impeachable offense and are openly criticizing Barr and Durham for leading a partisan attempt at election interference.
Sounds an awful lot like obstruction of justice if you ask me!
66 comments:
@15poundstogo
When a Dem campaign or DNC rep requests a news organization to run a story, and then it does run the story, is that a “thing of value” under the campaign finance law? Just asking...
Well this is democrat logic
Roger, how long before you change your position again on the Importance of the US Economy to the Voter?
The deep state democrats are going after Tulsi Gabbard with their Russian asset absurdity. Even Hillary is talking today parroting it. And they're worried she might run as a 3rd party candidate.
The dem nomination process is still as corrupt as ever.
Well balls don't forget Tulsi called Obunghole's foray into Syria illegal.
it’s time for the U.S. to stop its “illegal, counter-productive war to overthrow the Syrian government of Assad
Now every armchair donk General in the country wants a wholesale invasion and have us be occupiers for who knows how long
Hillary 2020, the website is up. she has bought the rights to it across many platforms.
She is "Fund Raising".
"Trump will be re-elected over my dead body"
Elijah Cummings
I knew where you got your order!
Sean Hannity calls White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney “dumb”
Scott A**hole you are a puppet for Trump.
I am actually going to out on a limb and say that the Cummings thing is not all that funny. Didn't like the guy much myself, but... making fun of him dying is a bit too cold even for me!
Deep throat conspiracy theory bullshit again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and
Get help
The White House lawyer is going to lawyer up. Anyone who is associated with the President is going to be in legal investigations.
Eisenberg was made aware of the gambit to persuade Ukraine to open investigations political beneficial to the President weeks before Trump’s fateful call with Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky. On the July 25 call, Trump requested Zelensky open a probe into Joe Biden and into a conspiracy theory about the origins of the Russian election meddling investigation. aka Deep throat conspiracy theories.
The Unraveling of Donald Trump
October 18, 2019 at 1:06 pm EDT
The Atlantic:
“The country is entering a new and precarious phase, in which the central question about President Donald Trump is not whether he is coming unstrung, but rather just HOW unstrung he is going to get.
“The boiling mind of Trump has spawned a cottage industry for cognitive experts who have questioned whether he is, well, all there. But as the impeachment inquiry barrels ahead on Capitol Hill, several associates of the president, including former White House aides, worry that his behavior is likely to get worse. Angered by the proceedings, unencumbered by aides willing to question his judgment, and more and more isolated in the West Wing, Trump is apt to lash out more at enemies imagined and real, these people told me. Conduct that has long been unsettling figures to deteriorate as Trump comes under mounting stress.”
KEEP THE WHITE HOUSE STRAIGHT JACKET HANDY.
GOP Lawmaker Rejects Mulvaney Walk Back
October 18, 2019 at 1:13 pm EDT
Rep. Francis Rooney (R-FL) says he was “shocked” by Mick Mulvaney’s remarks on blocking Ukraine military aide and rejected his walk back, Bloomberg reports.
Said Rooney:
“How in life can you do those kinds of things when you’ve just said it right there on national TV? It’s not an etch-a-sketch.”
HOW CAN YOU? IF TRUMP SAYS DO IT, YOU DO IT.
HE HIMSELF DOES IT ALL THE TIME.
I'm beginning to wonder if the 25th amendment may be used for the first time in history.
If you actually watch him in his campaign speeches, you should be worried about his mental stability.
KEEP THE WHITE HOUSE STRAIGHT JACKET HANDY.
Blogger C.H. Truth said...
I am actually going to out on a limb and say that the Cummings thing is not all that funny.
funny? i agree. no.
just? oh yeah.
and here comes a replay of the wellstone memorial, only in a baptist church with the usual cavalcade of race baiters led by 0linsky himself, using the occasion to bash trump....
...complete with the NAACP tabernacle choir.
Mulvaney said it was “completely legitimate” for Trump to withhold the aid to Ukraine while asking them to participate in the publicly known DOJ investigation into the origins of former special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe.
“I have news for everybody. Get over it, there is going to be political influence in foreign policy. That is going to happen,” Mulvaney said. “Elections have consequences. And foreign policy is going to change from the Obama administration to the Trump administration. And what you are seeing now, I believe, is a group of mostly career bureaucrats who are saying that I don't like President Trump's politics, so I'm going to participate in this witch hunt that they are undertaking on the Hill.”
KEEP THE COLDHEARTEDTRUTH STRAIGHT JACKET HANDY.
You want to see Obama lynched by the President!
Yeah... the three stooges run around saying that there is nothing to the idea that the Ukrainians provided any sort of election interference.
Since when does a foreign government punish their own for election interference in "our election" and we are supposed to accept from Democrats that it's not worth looking into from our end?
What else might we find!
Btw... this was a "joint" Ukrainian US investigation coordinated by the Obama Administration in the middle our 2016 election. But that is perfectly acceptable if you are going after the "bad orange man".
A Ukrainian court last December ruled that [Ukrainian parliament member Serhiy] Leshchenko and the head of the country’s National Anti-Corruption Bureau (NABU) — an investigative agency modeled on America’s FBI — both illegally meddled in the 2016 U.S. presidential election by leaking financial documents that smeared then-Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort.
The documents, known as “the black ledger,” identified payments Manafort secretly received from a Russian-backed political party in Ukraine years earlier and led to Manafort’s abrupt resignation from the Trump campaign. He eventually pleaded guilty to lobbying and tax violations and is in prison.
The court ruling against Leshchenko was an extraordinary admission of foreign government influence on America’s last presidential election. But it wasn’t Leshchenko’s only intrusion into American politics, apparently.
Sworn testimony released a few weeks ago by Congress revealed Leshchenko also was “a source” of Russian dirt on Trump that was fed to Hillary Clinton’s opposition research firm, Fusion GPS, the firm that created the so-called Steele dossier that led to a two-year Russia probe that recently cleared Donald Trump of colluding with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/10/politicos_flipflop_on_ukraine_political_assistance.html#ixzz62jMoZWCY
When it comes to a trial in the Senate, They’re angry at the president on his impulsive decisions on Syria and in any jury selection, that’s not a good idea. Noting that there’s no “change of venue in this trial, it would be wise to watch Lindsey Graham and others like him.
KEEP THE COLDHEARTEDTRUTH STRAIGHT JACKET HANDY.
that there is nothing to the idea that the Ukrainians provided any sort of election interference.
That ain't proof of shit....American Stinker is about as credible as cramps and rat hole!!!! I really doubt any of that shit exists, only in your mind .......If that stuff was true, you dumb fuck....wouldn't you think Burr would be jumping up and down with Barr writing another memo swearing its veracity....You really have turned into a pile of pusillanimous pulsating stupidity!!!!!!
I used to think that you were fairly intelligent.
But you keep saying that what you believe Obama did, excuses Trump from violating the Constitution.
But that is perfectly acceptable if you are protecting the "bad orange man".
Blogger Roger Amick said...
I'm beginning to wonder if the 25th amendment may be used for the first time in history.
If you actually watch him in his campaign speeches, you should be worried about his mental stability.
KEEP THE WHITE HOUSE STRAIGHT JACKET HANDY.
geezus alky, you psychologically project like no one else i've ever seen.
coo-koo
oh, and your milk carton pic? you bear a striking resemblance to dr. christine ballsy ford.
I knew that this was coming. An attack on the First Amendment rights against the Fake News CNN.
An attorney representing President Trump's reelection campaign sent a letter to CNN on Friday threatening to sue the network over purported allegations of bias against the president.
Trump attorney Charles Harder wrote to CNN President Jeff Zucker warning that the Trump campaign intends to seek damages from the network based on secretly recorded videos posted in recent days by the right-wing group Project Veritas.
“Never in the history of this country has a President been the subject of such a sustained barrage of unfair, unfounded, unethical and unlawful attacks by so-called ‘mainstream’ news, as the current situation," Harder wrote.
Roger, please tell me you're not so stupid to believe that money does not comes with strings attatched.
Well Denny...
How about The Hill?
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/444167-ukrainian-who-meddled-against-trump-in-2016-is-now-under-russia
Or RadioFreeEurope which links the court case?
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-court-ruling-election-interference/29652728.html
Or
https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/229471/ukrainian-mp-manafort-secrets
or take your pick... it's all over the internet if you bothered to look!
.American Stinker is about as credible as cramps and rat hole!!
Far more credible than medibiasfactcheck.com and Dave Van Zandt you fat idiot
According to the Hill:
Ukrainian officials told me Thursday that the U.S. embassy during Barack Obama’s presidency applied pressure in recent years to steer investigations away from Leshchenko. A source with direct knowledge said Leshchenko was one of the people the U.S. ambassador in Kiev asked Ukrainian prosecutors not to pursue in 2016.
Jeepers... sounds like this is much worse than anything Trump is accused of?
Or
https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/229471/ukrainian-mp-manafort-secrets
BWAAAAAAA!!!!! here's your choice asshole....send these POS to Richard Burr.......and get back to me when he reads them and acts... Keep posting Scotty, it does not matter what I think or read, but if the Senate led by McConnell does nothing.....they are your problem, not me.....LOLOLOLOLOL!!!! You keep believing what you want.....your leaders are not biting or there would be a hearing!!!!!! Let me know when that gets scheduled.....!!
CHT, you have them spitting mad.
Well done.
Keeping in mind that his article is from May:
In a related matter, Ukraine’s chief prosecutor gave an interview with Bloomberg News reiterating comments he first made in a Hill.TV interview broadcast April 1. In that interview. Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko told me he was reopening parts of an investigation involving a Ukrainian natural gas company, Burisma Holdings, where then-Vice President Joe Biden’s son, Hunter, worked as a board member. Lutsenko said he did not believe some $3 million in payments that Burisma made to Hunter Biden’s U.S. company violated Ukraine law but might be of interest to U.S. authorities.
Sounds like there really couldn't be any "quid pro quo" on requesting an investigation that was already in place. As the conversation went, it appeared that Trump was more asking about what was happening with the investigation than asking him to start one.
Why has the 16 lined up and ready to go public whistle blower story died?
RNC Raising Money To Help Democrats Televise Five Debates A Week
WASHINGTON, D.C.—The Republican National Committee has launched an ambitious fundraiser to help the Democrats televise a debate every weeknight.
The move is expected to drum up significant support for the Republicans, not on their own merit but on the wackiness of the Dems.
"Look, it's tough for us to raise money by just saying the same talking points we've been using for years," said RNC Chair Ronna McDaniel. "Frankly, a lot of our policy positions are kind weird and not all that conservative. But if we can just let the Democrats talk for hours every night, we're sure to win."
The RNC is looking to raise over $100 million for the campaign strategy.
Proposed debate topics include The Evils of Capitalism: A Town Hall, When Should You Force Your Toddler To Change Genders?, The Merits of Men Beating Women In MMA, and A Bidding War on Taxes: How High Can We Go?
At publishing time, Republicans had raised enough money in the first hour of the fundraising campaign
oh come on Man!!
"A career State Department official overseeing Ukraine policy told congressional investigators this week that he had raised concerns in early 2015 about then-Vice President Joe Biden’s son serving on the board of a Ukrainian energy company but was turned away by a Biden staffer, according to three people familiar with the testimony."
Jan Brewer is reminding us 5hay the hypocritical democrats and media allies all love pelosi's finger pointing at a president yet, had a different opinion when she did it I on that airport tarmac.
An attorney representing President Trump's reelection campaign sent a letter to CNN on Friday threatening to sue the network over purported allegations of bias against the president.
Trump attorney Charles Harder wrote to CNN President Jeff Zucker warning that the Trump campaign intends to seek damages from the network based on secretly recorded videos posted in recent days by the right-wing group Project Veritas.
It's probably going nowhere legally but that's not the point of the letter. The point was to keep Trump's base fired up.
It is interesting however, that Roger is OK with Zucker using a news organization to carry out a personnel vendetta as long as the target is the bad orange man.
Just wondering if any "journalist" still left at CNN feel just a slight bit dirty being used this way.
In the you just can't make this shit up department, Hillary Clinton just accused Tulsi Gabbard of being a Russian asset.
The chutzpah of Hillary Clinton is just astounding.
I would even prefer that a hole Spartacus as president before her.
Hillary Clinton just accused Tulsi Gabbard of being a Russian asset.
___________
Well, why not? We now have a Russian asset they put in the Oval Office.
According to whom? Not Robert Mueller.
Putin wanted him instead of Clinton. That's for sure.
He's not a socialist but Scott will say he is.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Former Ohio Gov. John Kasich, who ran against President Donald Trump in the 2016 Republican primary, says he supports impeaching the president.
Kasich said on CNN that the "final straw" for him was when acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney acknowledged Thursday that Trump's decision to hold up military aid to Ukraine was linked to his demand that Kyiv investigate the Democratic National Committee and the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign. Mulvaney later claimed his remarks were misconstrued.
Kasich said Friday: "The last 24 hours has really forced me to review all of this."
Congress is conducting an impeachment inquiry sparked by a whistleblower's allegation that Trump pressed the president of Ukraine to dig up dirt on political rival Joe Biden as he delayed military aid to the country.
@MattWolking
State Department Concludes Clinton Email Review, Says It Found Nearly 600 Security Violations
wonder why Hillary and her minions are desperately trying to change the subject to something totally ridiculous
I used to think that you were fairly intelligent.
But you keep saying that what you believe Obama did, excuses Trump from violating the Constitution.
I used to think that you were fairly intelligent.
But you keep saying that what you believe Obama did, excuses Trump from violating the Constitution.
@bennyjohnson
BREAKING
The State Department has completed its internal investigation into former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's use of private email.
588 violations were found.
38 people could face criminal charges.
would have been nice to have had this before the 2016 election
@PlaysTrumpCard
"..the whistleblower form requires whistleblowers to attest under penalty of perjury that they have neither misstated nor concealed material facts in their complaints...per 18 U.S.C. 1001, a false statement or concealment of a material fact is a crime"
Richard Tamesis
@rtamesis
By concealing the identity of this fake whistleblower, isn’t Schiff guilty of being an accessory and aiding and abetting a crime?
objection of justice !!!
Adam Schiff Flip-Flopped On Whistleblower Testimony After Reports Of Coordination
After news broke that Schiff's staff had secretly worked with the whistleblower prior to the complaint being lodged, Schiff moved to prevent the whistleblower's testimony.
House Democrats’ top impeachment inquisitor abruptly changed from repeatedly insisting on the testimony of a whistleblower against President Donald Trump to working to prevent it. The change occurred as soon as it was revealed the complainant had secretly worked with Rep. Adam Schiff’s Democratic staff prior to filing his formal complaint on Aug. 12.
At first, Schiff insisted an anti-Trump bureaucrat sharing allegations against the president must share his story with the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. But after news broke that Schiff’s staff had secretly worked with the whistleblower prior to the complaint being lodged, discussions that the whistleblower failed to mention when specifically asked about them as part of the official whistleblower process, Schiff moved to prevent the testimony. The move appears designed to prevent Republican lawmakers from asking the individual under oath about his discussions with House Democrats, media, and others involved in the impeachment effort.
https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/18/adam-schiff-flip-flopped-on-whistleblower-testimony-after-reports-of-coordination/#.XaoLY5IoYvs.twitter
But you keep saying that what you believe Obama did, excuses Trump from violating the Constitution.
that's not at all what he's saying, alky. that's not what any of us on the right are saying.
if you really do have that 137 IQ you've been bragging about since the soars board days you should take it out for a fucking stroll and try and interpret the points we've been making.
and even if you could muster the intellect, you can't muster the honesty required, so on second thought...
...don't fucking bother.
anyone who honestly thinks that a presidential candidacy exempts a man from criminal investigation is too fucking stupid to reason with.
@Lrihendry
Obama gave Pearson Publishing $350 million to create Commoncore text and Pearson gave Obama a $65 million dollar book deal in return.
Quid Pro Quo.
Media silent...
and obama probably considered his book charity work
@TulsiGabbard
Great! Thank you @HillaryClinton. You, the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long, have finally come out from behind the curtain. From the day I announced my candidacy, there has been a …
.. concerted campaign to destroy my reputation. We wondered who was behind it and why. Now we know — it was always you, through your proxies and …
... powerful allies in the corporate media and war machine, afraid of the threat I pose.
It’s now clear that this primary is between you and me. Don’t cowardly hide behind your proxies. Join the race directly.
catfight
@bdomenech
Gabbard sits on the House Armed Services Committee, the House Foreign Affairs Committee, and is the former Vice Chair of Clinton's own party.
You're the definition of stupid.
@almostjingo
Wow. @HillaryClinton just admitted to working with a Russian asset in an attempt to overturn the election. She colluded with Jill Stein
@thebradfordfile
At this point, Hillary Clinton's media defenders are the dumbest sounding people in America.
No serious person ever believed any of this Russian BS.
NOBODY.
hold my beer while I round up the 3 CHT stooges
@TulsiGabbard
Great! Thank you @HillaryClinton. You, the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long,
it's lit!!!
CC James
One thing the Clinton/Gabbard tussle has done, it has knocked impeachment off the radar for awhile.
Blogger James said...
Hillary Clinton just accused Tulsi Gabbard of being a Russian asset.
Well, why not?
See above.
Hillary just did Tulsi a big favor. Instant positive headlines arguing with Hillary, whom few actually like.
I tip my cap to c.f. sabathia. Well done sir. Enjoy your retirement.
Yes I betrayed the Kurds but I had to make money in Turkey and to Make Russia Great Again!
And you still want to impeach me!
According to the Hill:
According to me.....you never read that piece because if you did,you would realize there are more holes in it then you and your wife have in your heads combined!!!! Lots of what ifs speculation and BS....just the way you and the dumb fuck Paula like it.....BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! Nothing but BS opinions that have yet to be proved.....you should pay attention what the hill said about the Ukraine.....LOLOLOLOLOL!!!
@TulsiGabbard
Trump to Kurds: “I got you a great deal. I gave Turkey your homeland and homes, and you have 5 whole days to pack up your families and leave before they slaughter you!” The Art of the Deal: How to sell what’s not yours.
Hillary's Russian Agent
"Tulsi Gabbard, the first female combat veteran to run for Presidency. "
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October 18, 2019 | by Lauren Dezenski
What if Republicans can't 'get over it'?
A rare press briefing from a Trump administration official yielded an especially telling line about the Trump presidency: "Get over it."
President Donald Trump's acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney said it after confirming the existence of a quid pro quo and offered it up as a retort, but it's essentially the Trump administration's answer to any number of issues swirling around the White House at any given time.
It has a classic Trumpian flavor, charging straight ahead no matter what the haters say, as you can see in decisions like removing troops from Syria and even hosting the G7 at Trump's own property in Florida.
Still, Mulvaney's press conference, in which he also admitted to a quid pro quo with Ukraine, didn't go over so well. Mulvaney subsequently walked those comments back, but it ultimately left questions about his future in the Trump administration.
And there are even some members of Trump's own party who may not be able to "get over" Trump's latest maneuverings on Syria -- and even in the looming impeachment battle.
Sen. Lindsey Graham, a vocal Trump ally, is among a chorus of Republicans critical of Trump's Syrian withdrawal. Graham called it the "biggest mistake" of Trump's presidency.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell briefed Senate Republicans behind closed doors about the House's impeachment inquiry -- and what happens next. He previewed the workload of a Senate impeachment trial (Spoiler alert: It involves working six days a week) and predicted the Senate's trial could be over by Christmas.
A Merry Christmas gift gift to the American people should be is the ejection notice to The White House from The United States Senate.
Move to Russia and get another golden shower!🚽 🕖
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