- Biden + 5.4% over Trump
- Bloomberg +5.2% over Trump
- Sanders +3.7% over Trump
- Warren + 1.8% over Trump
- Klobuchar +1.8% over Trump
- Buttigieg -+0.6% over Trump
So those are not exactly as impressive for the Democrats as some of the outlier polls would have you believe. Sure, all of the candidates are polling at least slightly ahead of the President, but does that really tell us anything? After all Trump spent most of 2016 trailing Clinton and Sanders by double digits. But let's move past the intangible ideas and into the historically consistent and tangibly relevant polling realities that we need to look at.
First, these are registered voter polls, not likely voter polls. If history has shown us anything, all adult polls are the most favorable for Democrats, followed by registered voter polls, with likely voter polls generally being the least favorable. From year to year this changes... but as a general rule when pollsters start to flip from registered voters to likely voters, their numbers tend to move towards the Republicans by at least a percentage or two. Taking this into account, the current numbers might start to look like Biden/Bloomberg leading by about four percent, Sanders leading by about two percent, Warren and Klobuchar approximately running even and Buttigieg down by a percent or two.
Secondly, there is the phenomenon of the last week polling consolidation. This is where the outliers come back to the rest of the pack and pollsters settle on the final number that they ultimately expect to be judged on. It generally starts to happen about a week to ten days before the election and for some reason seems to take the Nate Silvers and other media pundits by surprise every time. But it always happens. In 2016, Hillary had a polling average anywhere between five and seven points heading down the final month, only to see it shrink down to a little over three percent in the RCP averages at time of election. I am not expecting that pollsters will try to make anyone believe that the Democratic Candidate is going to win by twelve to fifteen points as some pollsters did in 2016. But I fully expect to see the Democrat probably leading, and then we will see that lead shrink (or go away) in the last twilight of the campaign. A five point lead might turn into a two point lead, and a two or three point lead might turn into a virtual tie. A virtual tie might turn into a Trump lead.
Thirdly, there still seems to be a small, but tangible bias in media polling that favors Democrats. In 2016, the final RCP averages had Hillary up by just over three points, and she won by two points. That is remarkably close, but still the polling was favorable to Clinton. Had she won the popular vote by three percent rather than two, she would probably be President. If you look at Nate Silver's predictions (based on polling averages), you can go back as far as you want and never once find Silver predicting a Republican to win a state wide race, who hasn't won. Every single incorrect projection Silver has made has been made projecting Democrats doing better than they do. Now, Silver does his own polling manipulation, but the reality is that if you simply rely on the polls as the pollsters provide them, you will over project Democrats every single time.
Lastly, the Democrat will likely need to win the popular vote by AT LEAST the same two percent that Hillary won. With the polarization between the coastal elites and fly over country at heightened levels, and given the unpopularity of impeachment in the battleground states, Trump could conceivably lose the popular vote by as much as three or four percent, and still win the electoral college. Even if that is a bit of a stretch, it's certainly not a stretch to suggest that a national poll showing the Democrat up by a couple of points, does not reflect any assurances that they will win the election. In fact, if I was looking at building a model today, I would certainly offer that the "actual" point of parity between the two candidates might be at the point where the Democrat candidate leads by somewhere between two and three percent. A Democrat winning by three percent or higher is favored, while Trump down by less than two percent (tied or ahead) is likely going to win. Now much of this will depend on the Candidate and the manner in which the campaign goes, but there is a very good chance that we will see the third such instance of a split between the popular vote and the electoral college vote (and let the protesting begin).
So if you look at all of these factors, suddenly you shouldn't feel too comfortable with a five point polling lead. Keeping in mind that these are just historical polling factors, and will have nothing to do with what Trump does to whichever Democrat is left standing. The President will have more money, better infrastructure, and the power of the bully pulpit this time around. He will be relentless in his drive to bring down the Democratic nominee by any means required. He ultimately may have already taken down Slow Joe Biden, even before the first Caucus. Watch for him to do what he did to the GOP field in 2016 as time moves forward. One by one until he has his desired opponent?
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Macibe waters was on msdnc today claiming Trump has no respect for people of color. This of course is a lie. But highlights how worried they are because Trump is gaining minority support every week and month.
Exactly.
Roger Predicted "in a landslide" Mrs Buttigieg and Amy.
Alky takes a firm stand.
"Roger AmickFebruary 9, 2020 at 2:30 PM
If she wins the nomination, Mayor Pete as the Vice president candidate, they could easily carry the "midwestern" states in a landslide."
cat fight
"Neither is he': Buttigieg hits back at Biden's dig that former mayor isn't Obama"
This is the achilles heel of the trump conservatives.......Spend and give tax breaks to the rich.....this will be the bane and the message D's need to make!!!!! Debt up the ass in the great trump economy which is bound to get worse.....BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
By Editorial Board
Feb. 1, 2020 at 7:00 a.m. EST
THE FEDERAL budget deficit reached $1 trillion in 2019, for the first time since the Great Recession, and, under current law will average $1.3 trillion through 2030, according to the latest estimates by the Congressional Budget Office. Federal debt held by the public will grow from 81 percent of gross domestic product to a post-1946 record of 98 percent. This is no problem — according to much commentary based, admittedly, in the failure of past warnings of dire short-term consequences from deficits to materialize. Certainly, Congress and the 2020 presidential candidates are behaving as if deficits don’t matter. And perhaps the long-feared rebellion of the bond markets will never happen in a world starved for safe-haven assets such as U.S. Treasury bonds.
On the other hand, maybe it’s still true that there is no free lunch, and that there are risks in our present course, including but not limited to a possible spike in interest rates, plus the long-term costs to future generations. The United States will enter its next crisis, foreign or domestic, with much of its capacity to borrow already taken up by preexisting priorities. That is, the United States is borrowing at a pace previously seen only during major wars and recessions — yet it is generally at peace, with full employment.
A wise government hedges against the risks of debt accumulation, not necessarily by slashing deficits in the short run, but by sticking to a long-term fiscal trajectory that includes plenty of margin for error. We were not quite on such a path as of January 2017, though the annual deficit had fallen by about two-thirds under President Barack Obama. And then the Trump administration and a Republican-led Congress took office. Now we’re seriously off track, due in large part to tax cuts skewed heavily in favor of the wealthy and businesses that were enacted under President Trump — for the sake of what has turned out to be only a modest short-term boost to economic growth. Spending, driven overwhelmingly by programs such as Medicare and Social Security for the growing retiree population, will increase by 2.4 percent of GDP by 2030, according to CBO, while revenue will rise just 1.6 percent; you do the math
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Same tired old claim we get from democrats every 2 years. Meanwhile minorities are working and rheir wages are rising under Trump.
Well uninformed and easily fooled Denny!
Perhaps you should (gasp) take a look at the numbers yourself, rather than rely on a political commentator to spin them in a political manner.
The first reality is that our revenues are not decreasing. In fact our revenues went up by 132 billion last year.
The second reality is that our discretionary spending has not not gone up considerably. In fact, they have only increased by 151 billion over the past three years.
The BIG reality is that our mandatory spending (entitlements) has skyrocketed. It went up by over 200 billion last year alone.
But to put things in perspective... if we had not had any tax decrease and miraculously the economy would have still improved, and we would have seen the exact sort of revenues we saw under Obama... we might be better off by about $30 billion... which would probably cover part of the increase in discretionary spending... but still would have the deficit climbing by virtually the same amount.
But there (of course) is no real way to argue that we would have seen the same economic impact that we have seen under Trump. Obama's last year as President garnered us a whopping 6 billion dollar increase in Revenues (and the promise that 1% GDP growth was the new norm, and this is what we just had to live with).
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Well uninformed and easily fooled Denny!
BWAAAAAAPAAAAAA!!!! Well the trumpist fool Lil Schitty believes trillion dollar debt is a conservatives goal....!!!! Yeah, the ticket to your side has been fiscal responsibility until trump broke the bank and you agree....Sad how easily your simple mind has been taken over by the devil in the WH!!!!!! The only fool here is you, schitty....swallowing another load of donalds manhood with vigor!!!!!! LOLOKLOLOLOLO Remember asshole....trumps promise to eliminate the debt....like the wall, more full of shit than you are!!!!!
Lil Schitty spends piles of his time rationalizing the BS that is imprinted by trump swallowing....Funny how he forgets the basis of trumps lies and his conversion to stupidity.....so sad and waste of time to convince all of trumps lying is great!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! BTW. schitty....never let facts get in the way of your loser opinion!!!
Louis Jacobson
By Louis Jacobson
January 2, 2020
Federal debt is up, not down, under Trump's watch
In a March 31, 2016, interview with the Washington Post, Donald Trump promised to eliminate the United States' $19 trillion in debt in eight years.
Trump later softened his promise by pledging to reduce a chunk, rather than the totality of debt, in an April 2016 interview with Fortune. Asked by how much, Trump failed to provide a figure.
"It depends on how aggressive you want to be," Trump said. "I'd rather not be so aggressive. Don't forget: We have to rebuild the infrastructure of our country. We have to rebuild our military, which is being decimated by bad decisions. We have to do a lot of things."
Now, almost three years into his first term, Trump has made no progress in reducing the debt. In fact, the gross federal debt has grown by about 16% since he's been in office. (Trump also promised to eliminate budget deficits by balancing the budget fairly quickly, but that hasn't happened either.)
Here's a chart showing the level of the federal debt roughly every six months since Trump was sworn in. The lighter red color shows the amount of debt held by the public. The darker red color shows the amount of debt lent from one part of the government to another. Added together, these two types of debt comprise the government's "gross federal debt."
Meanwhile, the publicly held debt isn't just rising — it's outpacing the nation's growth in gross domestic product, which is a measure of the economy at large.
The percentage has risen from 103.4% of GDP during Trump's first quarter in office to 105.5% of GDP during the third quarter of 2019.
Lil Schitty reaching for the heavens to spread a pile of steaming horseshit !!!!!
But to put things in perspective... if we had not had any tax decrease and miraculously the economy would have still improved, and we would have seen the exact sort of revenues we saw under Obama..
BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!1 Keep digging Schitty.....your manual labor will be appreciated by the omnipotent liar in th WH!!!!!!
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