Let's assume for a second that with all of the mail in ballots and everything going on that lawsuits are filed if the election is close. Let's also assume that neither Party will be quick to concede and that either Party will be quick to file up appropriate lawsuits if they feel that the ballots have not been counted properly (either too few or too many counted).
Let's also assume that it takes a week or more for everything to be counted, and that these lawsuits would not start until the following week at best. Given that most of these would start with lower courts and work their way up to the highest court, it's not inconceivable that some of these lawsuits may not be completed prior to the December 14th meeting of the electorates.
Moreover, the legal battleground would likely also be the larger battleground states that determine the election. If, for some reason or the other, there were not enough certified results to provide either candidate the 270 electoral college votes necessary to win, then the 12th amendment to the constitution tasks the House of Representatives to elect a President.
Now here is where it takes an interesting turn. Most people assume that if the vote for President goes to the House, that Biden would become President due to a fairly significant advantage (of nearly 40 more congressional seats). But it isn't as simple as that. It actually is determined by a state by state vote. In that situation, Republicans control the congressional majority in 26 states, giving them enough votes to elect Donald Trump as President, assuming most votes are cast by Party line.
Many Democrats have openly talked of legal battles, and it would appear that the left is bound and determined to take anything and everything they can to court. After all, that is what Democrats do when they don't like what the people tell them. But they have to be careful that these sorts of legal battles don't drag out too long, or it could end up inadvertently providing the President with a second term.
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HERE'S the map you'd better be worrying about.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/2020_elections_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html
We will see what the polls will show after the weekend and the Atlantic magazine story about the pervert get to the General election voters
You support a violent response to the defeat of the President in November.
Biden will win Wisconsin you falsely suggested
North Carolina is also in the Hunt
Trump suggested the people to vote twice, a felony under the law in North Carolina
Scott did you know that you are helping the President to pay his legal bills,?
President Trump was proudly litigious before his victory in 2016 and has remained so in the White House. But one big factor has changed: He has drawn on campaign donations as a piggy bank for his legal expenses to a degree far greater than any of his predecessors.
In New York, Mr. Trump dispatched a team of lawyers to seek damages of more than $1 million from a former campaign worker after she claimed she had been the target of sexual discrimination and harassment by another aide. The lawyers have been paid $1.5 million by the Trump campaign for work on the case and others related to the president.
In Washington, Mr. Trump and his campaign affiliates hired lawyers to assist members of his staff and family — including a onetime bodyguard, his oldest son and his son-in-law — as they were pulled into investigations related to Russia and Ukraine. The Republican National Committee has paid at least $2.5 million in legal bills to the firms that did this and other legal work.
In California, Mr. Trump sued to block a law that would have forced him to release his taxes if he wanted to run for re-election. The Trump campaign and the Republican National Committee have paid the law firm handling this case, among others, $1.8 million.
You are the biggest sucker in history
The only thing that will not be settles how many votes trump lost by and whether he leaves the WH peacefully or like a screaming asshole he appears to be!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA~!!!!!!!~!!!!!!!!
I'm glad to see that you are going to project the outcome of the election, almost 60 days before the election.
You refused to project 4 years ago.
I'm going to save this page and shove it up your ass!
I have a lot of friends and relatives who have been supportive of the President, have been silent since the Atlantic magazine story about the losers and suckers
Suckers!
TRUMP GOLFED 277 TIMES. THIS PLUS MAR O LAGO COST THE TAX PAYERS $140,000,000. WHAT SAY YOU?
You bitched about Obama in Hawaii
Roger...
You do realize that the 26-23 count is not a prediction of any sorts.
It's literally just a map showing which states have more Republicans holding congressional seats and which states have more Democrats holding congressional seats.
The only chance this has of meaning anything is if there is no certified winner by December 14th.
You really should learn to read, Roger.
$140 million for 277 rounds of golf?
That a half million a pop!
I guess it take a special kind of stupid to fall for that.
I guess it takes a special kind of stupid to fall for a President who criticized Obama for playing too much golf, stated that he would not do that, and has played far more golf at far greater amounts of expense than did Obama. And also criticized him for not releasing his academic transcripts, but has himself refused to release his. And also promised that he would release his tax returns and has not done it. And stated that he would increase taxes on the wealthy and has not done that... and and and and and... Yes, it takes a special kind of stupid to fall for that kind of President and and far, far more...
https://youtu.be/qAcciTWIdH0
It takes a special kind of stupid to focus on playing golf when nobody really gives a damn about how much or how little a president plays golf. They didn't when Obama was president and they don't know.
This is pretty much inside the beltway baseball. I will say that Trump at least own his own golf courses so he didn't disrupted military personnel from playing golf at military bases.
The Congress returns on January 3rd
If they can't declare the winner of the electoral college victory, they will vote the speaker of the house of Representatives as President.
If he refuses to leave the White House the Secret service will escort him out of the house
I WOULD VOTE FOR JOE BIDEN EVEN IF NANCY PELOSI GOT HER HAIRCUT IN THE MIDDLE OF 5TH AVENUE!
Well Reverend...
I left my criticism of Obama to his policies. I never felt the need to attack his family, question what he did in his spare time, or make up shit about him in order otherwise demand he was a bad person.
Obama spend eight years in office and accomplished almost nothing other than sowing the seeds of racial unrest that we are seeing coming to fruition today. The economy was stagnant, he demanded that there was no magic wand that would allow us to see 3% growth again. They worked tirelessly for accords that had no bi-partisan support.
Does anyone believe that the recent agreements in the Middle East or in the Soviet Bloc countries are not fully supported by most everyone? The United States didn't give away the store to accomplish any of this. Just hard work and negotiations.
Ironically, while we heard about the Iran deal and Paris accords as they were happening, like we were getting ready for a Super Bowl, we didn't hear anything about these recent agreements till they were signed.
The difference between accomplishing something "political" and partisan vs accomplishing something tangible and not controversial.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
https://youtu.be/qAcciTWIdH0
Kamala Harris telling people not the take the COVID-19 vaccine because Trump.
This is just plain stupidity on Harris's part. If a vaccine is ready before the election it will be given to first responders, hospital and medical personnel first. It will likely not be available to the general public until after the election and then it will be high risk category patients first.
This is another common unforced error from the Biden campaign.
If they can't declare the winner of the electoral college victory, they will vote the speaker of the house of Representatives as President.
Well Roger.... that isn't Congress's call to make. The 12 Amendment of the Constitution requires them to choose a President from the field... based on the voting as I put forward.
If Congress were somehow to becomes deadlocked 25-25 - the Vice President would assume office until that tie was broken.
Pelosi only becomes President if the chain of command is not longer able to perform the duty (either through death or some other reason).
If they can't declare the winner of the electoral college victory, they will vote the speaker of the House
Nope, the house will chose the president exactly as CH described. The speaker can only succeed to the presidency if there is a line of succession in place. And until inauguration day that president will Donald J. Trump.
He may have a conscience. Scott A**hole doesn't have one.
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A lawyer representing a 17-year-old charged with shooting three people during a protest in Kenosha, Wisconsin, has resigned from his position with a defense fund that has raked in more than $700,000 to defend his client and conservative causes
Pelosi only becomes President
Assuming Pelosi is speaker of the house after January 1.
Incorrect
The President and the Vice President terms end on January 20th at noon local time
My assumption is based upon the results of the election.
If the Democrats keep the house, and get enough seats in the house, they can declare the Speaker of the house as President. But even if they get a tie vote the terms for the President and his vice President, their terms end on January 20th
My assumption is based upon the results of the election.
Which won't matter... because December 14th is when they are tasked to vote for the President if the Electoral College does not declare a winner.
They cannot "wait" for a new Congress to be seated in January and then just hold a vote to make a random person President.
I mean.... seriously Roger?
You are like talking to a toddler.
alky,
did you roll out of bed this morning intent on making even a bigger fool of yourself than usual?
it sure seems that way.
What happens if no presidential candidate gets 270 electoral votes?
If no candidate receives a majority of electoral votes, the Presidential election leaves the Electoral College process and moves to Congress.
The House of Representatives elects the President from the 3 Presidential candidates who received the most electoral votes. Each State delegation has one vote and it is up to the individual States to determine how to vote. (Since the District of Columbia is not a State, it has no State delegation in the House and cannot vote). A candidate must receive at least 26 votes (a majority of the States) to be elected.
The Senate elects the Vice President from the 2 Vice Presidential candidates with the most electoral votes. Each Senator casts one vote for Vice President. (Since the District of Columbia is has no Senators and is not represented in the vote). A candidate must receive at least 51 votes (a majority of Senators) to be elected.
If the House of Representatives fails to elect a President by Inauguration Day, the Vice-President Elect serves as acting President until the deadlock is resolved in the House.
https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/faq#no270
you don't just "appoint" the speaker of the house president, alky... you dumb fuck.
What happens if no presidential candidate gets 270 electoral votes?
alky version:
by supreme declaration and royal decree, nancy peloshee is declared supreme ruler and queen of the galaxy forever more, or until the next mail-in ballot only election which grants her unlimited power until the end of time.
Trump made 'overt attempts to get Russia to meddle in the 2016 election' and admires Putin because he 'had the balls to take over his country and run it like a personal company', Cohen claims in new book.
It makes sense because he's been running our country like his own business.
He went bankrupt five times!
If no candidate receives a majority of electoral votes, the House of Representatives elects the President from the three candidates who received the most electoral votes. Each state delegation has one vote.
If the Democrats have a Wave tsunami, the President is the speaker of the house of Representatives
She can then choose a Vice President.
But from what I've been reading is the President's term ends on January 20th at noon.
If the popular vote margin is huge, I don't think that we will go through this shit
Vice-President Elect serves as acting President until the deadlock is resolved in the House.
Kamala Harris will be the President!
Given the current make up of the senate that would be vice-president Pence.
And I don't expect the make-up to change.
Next year, America’s National Debt will exceed the size of its GDP for the first time since the end of WW2.
Trump said that he would reduce to zero in 4 years
The current polls show the Democrats will get a majority
Lawrence Tribe disagreed
Roger Amick said...
But from what I've been reading is the President's term ends on January 20th at noon.
If the popular vote margin is huge, I don't think that we will go through this shit
Get educated and stop being so ignorant. Read what CHT wrote and try to understand.
Or lay down and get help.
If the Democrats have a Wave tsunami, the President is the speaker of the house of Representatives
Well then wouldn't Joe Biden have been elected President without having to worry about lawsuits, safe harbor dates, and December 14th?
Vice-President Elect serves as acting President until the deadlock is resolved in the House
Riddle me this... if there is a disagreement about who won the Presidency - how could we have a Vice President elect?
Roger... unless Nancy Pelosi is one of the top three candidates in Electoral College votes, she is not a choice for the Congress as President.
Furthermore, the existing Congress (not the Congress-elect) would be the ones taking the vote.
Lastly - it's not one vote per Congressmen, it's one vote per state with that Stats's congressmen voting for a President. So the fact that you have a million Democratic Congresspeople from California only gets you one vote for President.
The same as Wyoming or Montana.
Are you really this stupid or this uninformed?
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Didn’t he threaten to punch an autoworker like a month ago
yeah, and take someone behind the woodpile, call someone fatty, drop out of previous campaigns for plagiarism, etc, etc, etc.
Guess his memory is completely gone
It's 58 days but
General Election - USC Dornsife poll:
Biden 51%, Trump 43%.
I knew that. each state gets one vote
Are you really this stupid or this uninformed?
Embrace the power of “and”
I knew that. each state gets one vote
But yet, you insist that Republican Congresspeople would buck the Constitution and elect Nancy Pelosi as President when she isn't eligible?
Because that seems to be your argument?
It depends upon how many states the Democrats win.
I don't think that the Democrats will get a majority of the states.
If the House of Representatives fails to elect a President by Inauguration Day, the Vice-President Elect serves as acting President until the deadlock is resolved in the House.
So, if the President sows enough doubt about the results of the election, he might stay in office.
But the biggest problem is that the most important right, is the people choose our leaders.
It would be the end of our experiment in a Democrat Republican government.
It's not right vs left.
Our nation is at risk forever
If a few Republicans find their conscious they might vote for Pelosi
What is disgusting is that you are trying to deny that we still have systematic racism in the country, for purely political reasons.
You seem to return to the era before we gave people of color human rights
Cohen said that the President said that black people are not smart enough to vote for him
Guess what! Texas will eventually turn blue.
Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden’s lead over President Trump in Texas has evaporated, according to a new survey, leaving the race a toss-up in the state just two months before the election.
Trump is now leading Biden among likely voters, 48 to 46 percent, according to the poll from the Dallas Morning News and the University of Texas at Tyler.
Wisconsin General Election Morning Consult poll:
Biden 50%, Trump 44%.
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