Sunday, November 13, 2016

More than one type of honesty...

I see liberal after liberal telling us that Donald Trump was certainly the bigger "liar" in an election that almost everyone agreed was not exactly very truthful. Playing loose and fast with the facts is what politicians do, but some really want to figure out a way to objectively quantify it, and ultimately prove that one was more "dishonest" than the other. This was evident as these same liberals started citing "fact checking" websites that told them that (by percentage) Donald Trump told more lies than Hillary Clinton.

First of all, how can you even measure? We start with the reality that not every single statement provided required "fact checking". The fact checkers were the ones who got to decide which statements warranted fact checking and which ones didn't. So the reality isn't that 70% of what Donald Trump said was a lie and 30% of what Clinton said was a lie.  Rather, it was "of the statements" that they decided to check, the amount of untruthful statements were 70% and 30%. This can be deceiving when you treat one person literally and the other figuratively. For instance Donald Trump was "fact checked" for calling Obama the "founder of ISIS" while Hillary Clinton was not "fact checked" for calling Trump a "Sergeant of Recruiting for ISIS".  In the first example fact checkers were taking a hyperbole statement literally, while in the second they understood it to be figurative.

Secondly, the fact checkers are not necessarily objective. They can see a statement that was exaggerated (possibly to draw attention) and judge it to be a "lie" for Donald Trump because they didn't care to see (or even look for) the point, but declare the same sort of an exaggeration as "mostly true" for Clinton because they understood the point she was trying to make. Other times, they simply are wrong on facts, or use one set of data to declare something false when there is competing data that show it to be true.

But either way, honestly is not just about whether or not someone else views your statement to be mostly true or mostly false. There is another type of honestly that actually is actually vastly more important than what percentage of a politicians campaign statements are declared false by fact checkers. That honestly is your ability to tell people what it is that you believe, how you feel about issues, and what is truly important to you, deep down at your very core.

My oldest son voted in his first election. He is an extremely bright young man who has been tested with a very high IQ, but also tested on the autism scale as having Asperger's syndrome. He behaves for the most part like a normal person, but he is very literal in his thinking, and very non-emotional. He's had almost zero interest in politics, it's never really been discussed, and there is literally no indoctrination of any degree in his politics. He simply wanted to do his own research in this situation and asked for nobody else's opinion (not sure he would even see the point in asking someone else's opinion).

But imagine for a second, someone walking into this particular election, with so much at stake, and not having even the slightest bias as to which Party was better, which candidate had what reputation, or anything else that clutters the minds of most people deciding who to vote for.

At the end of the day, according to what he told his Mother... he decided to vote for Donald Trump. Not necessarily because he agreed with everything he stood for, but because he felt like he understood it. Apparently the most obvious conclusion he was able to draw from his research on the two of them was that Trump appeared willing to say what he actually thought and believe, where he felt that Hillary Clinton was only saying what she thought people wanted to hear. So in his very literal mind, she offered him nothing he could judge her on. He simply didn't believe that she necessarily "meant" anything she was saying. What's truly remarkable about this is his very nature is to take things literally. To the degree that her "lack of sincerity" was apparent must be very large for my son to see it.

At the end of the day, that sort of honestly (or sincerity) is sort of what many people found refreshing about Donald Trump. The ability and willingness to say whatever it was that he wanted to say, political correctness, and political consequences damned. The fact that he exaggerated some of the facts and probably got others wrong was simply not at issue for a large number of voters. They were more interested in the intangible form of honesty that comes with being sincere, than the more tangible type that certain people were trying to keep a scorecard on.

20 comments:

KD, New Democrat Party said...

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Sunday endorsed Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) as the next chairman of the Democratic National Committee.

“My friend Keith Ellison is a terrific leader and a strong progressive who knows how to get things done,” Reid said in a statement provided to The Huffington Post. “Now is the time for new thinking and a fresh start at the DNC. Now is the time for Keith.”

What does new thinking sound like, well you judge.

Harry Reid Calls Trump "a Sexual Predator Who Lost the Popular Vote"
Mother Jones‎

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Serenity.

President-elect Donald Trump has backtracked on the suggestion he would jail his Democrat rival Hillary Clinton if elected, now saying he has more important things to focus on. 1,800,000 American votes that don't count.

Throughout his election campaign, the Republican hit out at Clinton over the investigation into her use of a private email server during her role as secretary of state, suggesting he would launch a fresh investigation if he won the White House.
More from IBTimes UK

However, he has now said pursuing a prosecution of his former rival is low down on his list of priorities, telling the Wall Street Journal: "It's not something I've given a lot of thought, because I want to solve health care, jobs, border control, tax reform."

KD, #1 Issue To the Voter, Jobs, # 2 Borders, #3 HealthCare said...

It worked, so we smeared Hillary, lol too bad.


This smells of ALGORE 2000 all over again, left is still whinning over that loss.

"I want to solve health care, jobs, border control, tax reform."President Trump

IF all those things are running flawlessly after OBama FIXED them as HB believes, then President Trump will have an easy 4 years.

KD, HB fails again to understand US Constitution said...

at this point what difference does it make" hillary Clinton

She lost, where is moveon.org, or OccupyWallStreet.com, or this years flavor, BlackLivesMatter.com,, maybe they can hold hands, put on their Baby Diaper Safety Pins and a fuck off.

Loretta said...

No one cares.

Just keep saying hello to President elect Trump.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump be afraid, very afraid retreated on Sunday from some of his hardest-line campaign positions on immigration and health care, but he also used Twitter to lash out at his critics, leaving open the possibility that he would continue the practice in the Oval Office and radically change the way presidents speak to Americans.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/14/us/politics/donald-trump-twitter-white-house.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

Commonsense said...

You be afraid. I'll sleep easy tonight.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...


Another campaign promise, is tossed into the trash can.
Remember the list I posted this week? So far, I'm batting 1,000

Donald Trump’s legions of rabid supporters are in for an unpleasant shock once they figure out how many of his campaign promises he’s going to flip-flop on. Yesterday, he announced he wouldn’t be repealing the entirety of the Affordable Care Act, which is all the GOP has tried to do for the past eight years. Today, he suddenly announced that he isn’t going to be “ripping up” President Obama’s historic nuclear peace treaty with the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Speaking to the BBC, Trump advisor and former Lebanese Christian terrorist Walid Phares detailed Trump’s backtrack: “Ripping up is maybe a too strong of word, he’s gonna take that agreement, it’s been done before in international context, and then review it. He will take the agreement, review it, send it to Congress, demand from the Iranians to restore a few issues or change a few issues, and there will be a discussion.”

“A few issues” is quite a retreat from “the worst deal ever negotiated” and a “disaster” and that tearing it up would be his “number one priority,” but, to be fair, Trump may have just been informed that in fact, you cannot simply just tear up international agreements that involve multiple major powers on a whim.

Loretta said...

No one cares, troll.

President elect Trump says hello.

wphamilton said...

Yesterday, he announced he wouldn’t be repealing the entirety of the Affordable Care Act,

Roger, shouldn't we be applauding these kinds of eventualities? I know I would be, if I hadn't already been sure it.

KD, TrumpCare, love it said...

Tonight, we go to bed knowing that President Trump will soon be Making this a Safer, freer and wealthier nation.

We also know that the Entire DNC and RNC could not stop WE THE PEOPLE BECAUSE WE ARE STRONGER TOGETHER.

We know Hillary is but a foot note in history, nothing historic about her following her hubby up the ladder, on her own she failed.

We know that tax cuts to all that earn money thru work are going to be keeping more.

The Mandate of Health Care is ending.

That is for sure.

We know that the left is still steaming over having the money , that machine, the ground game and the thugs and still LOST.

KD, Trump WINS with 306 said...

The radical leftist are foaming at the mouth, It has been so much more fun having TRUMP WIN, then I ever thought it would be.

Thanks Leftist.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

CH, this is a serious question. Donald Trump ran on a few specific issues.

1: On day one, repeal and replace Obama Care. In the 60Minutes Interview, he is going to retain the two fundamentals of Obama Care.
2: Pull out of the treaty with Iran. He has done a complete reversal on it.
3: "Lock her up". No, he isn't thinking about it.
4: His fundamental issue was the anger about the failed Washington D.C. establishment, and that knew more than them. Every major position has been a member of the failed establishment.

We can look at another half dozen policies he was going to repeal. So its obvious that he knew it was just to deceive the anger filled contingency.

Do you believe that this is fine?

Or are you feeling like you bought what the con artist was selling?

My guess,having known you for years, you will say it was brilliant politics.

I think that the con artist, hooked you, line and and sinker.

What he will do is cut the taxes for the one percent. If he is able to get the money for infrastructure projects and military upgrades, the deficit will dwarf left behind by Reagan and W.

Speaker Ryan is planning to follow Ann Rynd and privatize Medicare.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

wp, I just pointed out the hypocrisy and intentional deception.

These folks bought in.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

After watching he 60 Minutes interview, I'm beginning to think he was really a liberal in disguise

Myballs said...

He was as saying jobs and healthcare were his priorities when he takes off, not Hillary. They should be. I think he'll still let someone investigate her and he'll keep his distance.

Second, those two features are the only things anyone likes about Obamacare. Even gop Congress has talked about keeping them. He will replace the current debacle.

Trump is a pragmatist. He's not the Cruz-like idealogue the left has tried to portray him as.

Anonymous said...

"Lock her up". No, he isn't thinking about it.
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actually he is. he discovered he has bigger fish to fry.

seeing as we don't even have an AG yet, i think you might want to table this issue.

and btw, jason chaffetz plans on continuing his investigations.

my prediction - while this is not a front burner issue, it is far from over.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...
wp, I just pointed out the hypocrisy and intentional deception.
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no, you just embarked on a game of pigeon chess. i too watched the entire 60 minutes interview. it contained some generalities. what it did not do was define his entire first term. no sane person thinks it does. that's a mindset reserved for dishonest hacks.



Anonymous said...

Speaker Ryan is planning to follow Ann Rynd and privatize Medicare.
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it's Ayn Rand.

for chrissakes, you can't even hack accurately.

Anonymous said...

Trump may have just been informed that in fact, you cannot simply just tear up international agreements that involve multiple major powers on a whim.
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true.

i suspect he will do what 0linsky did not - seek advice and consent of the senate. since the 'agreement' was, at a fundamental level a treaty, the senate should've been involved before the fact. not after.

unless of course you're ok with the precedent 0linsky has set - a gross exaggeration of presidential powers that totally circumvents the legislative branch.