Tuesday, November 22, 2016

No - it's not your Grandmother's Democratic Party

Not Your Grandmother’s Wisconsin
Up until Nov. 8, I still believed my state’s moral baseline bent toward empathy. The Wisconsin I thought I knew, where I lived for 21 years, was filled with complex but fundamentally decent people who recognized that everyone is deserving of respect and could disagree without being disagreeable. The state did elect Scott Walker as governor in 2010, and the Republican-led legislature gutted public sector unions, setting off huge protests in the Capitol. But I didn’t think that state would vote for Donald J. Trump, turning its 11 electoral votes to a Republican for the first time since 1984. (I mean, come on, we even voted for Dukakis.)
Look, many of my relatives are from Wisconsin. I live about an hour away from the border. There is little difference between Wisconsin and Minnesota (other than Wisconsin has proven itself to be a little more conservative).

The reality here isn't that the people have changed. The difference is that the Parties have changed. Rural Wisconsin (like rural Minnesota) is made up of mainly white protestant gun owners (lot's of Scandinavians). The second Sunday in May is not Mother's day, it's opening day for fishing. Similarly the only time anyone misses church is if they are out sitting in a hunting blind during hunting season. These are exactly the type of person who "cling" to their guns and religion. The exact type that many are attempting to purge from the Democratic Party.

White people who happen to be indoctrinated into the Democratic Party have issues seeing this, because they have convinced themselves that they must put up with their own priorities and needs being ignored (or openly opposed) in the name of "tolerance". But for most people, they actually care whether or not a political Party or a particular politician is willing to do something that helps them. At the very least they would like a political Party and politicians that do not simply discount them and demean them for the way they live their lives. Seriously folks, there is nothing wrong with someone who enjoys hunting and fishing and happens to be an acting Christian - in spite of what liberals will have you believe. You shouldn't have to live on welfare, shoot cops, worship Allah, dress like the opposite sex, or sneak across the border to have a say in American politics.

The people I grew up with are polite people with big hearts. They are great neighbors, great relatives, and great friends. They will put  up with a lot and sacrifice for the greater good. But there comes a time when that greater good must include their own priorities and their own needs and desire. You cannot continuously attack them as backwards and bigoted because they don't care to protest for the rights of men to dress as women and enter a women's dressing room. You eventually have to pay some attention to them, or Wisconsin (and plenty of other places) will no longer see the justification in voting Democratic.

41 comments:

caliphate4vr said...

love this statement


“We lost the governorship of freaking Vermont,” lamented Washington-based Democratic strategist Chris Kofinis. “We didn’t just lose an election. This was a national rebuke. This was biblical.”

Indy Voter said...

She's lived there for 21 years and doesn't know how many electoral votes Wisconsin has...

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

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Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
— H. L. Mencken

A downright narcissistic moron.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

I haven't been looking at politicalwire.com for several days.
The last two days are, to put it mildly, rich.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...
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let me guess -

trump is actually the lost love child of hitler and elvis.

Anonymous said...

On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

A downright narcissistic moron.
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and we reached that day on january 20th 2009, with the most narcissistic of narcissistic morons.



Anonymous said...

This was biblical.”
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how fitting that the liberal messiah himself - skeets 0linsky (and his mount everest-esque shitpile of a legacy) - was rebuked on such a 'biblical' scale.

Anonymous said...

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — New York improperly used as much as $150 million in grants to set up its insurance exchange under President Barack Obama's health care law and help people enroll for coverage, according to a federal audit released Tuesday.

The Office of Inspector General for the Department of Health and Human Services said in the report provided to The Associated Press that the state used inflated population figures to claim funding, effectively saying every New Yorker would benefit from coverage through the exchange.

The office has recommended requiring the state to return the money or work out the proper amounts with the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services. The state disputes the findings.

At issue is part of the $571 million the federal government gave New York in grants from 2010 through 2014 to get the exchange up and running, enroll uninsured people in "qualified health plans" and encourage participation in Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Program.

The auditors looked at about $222 million of that money for the period from August 2011 through March 2014 and determined the state had vastly overstated the number of expected participants in the plan by using a formula that assumed the entire state population of nearly 20 million would be eligible.

That resulted in the state getting $93.4 million more than it was entitled to for "establishment grants" and another $55 million because it failed to use "updated, better data" and the money should have been allocated to Medicaid.

A spokesman for the inspector general's office said the state combined the numbers for Medicaid and CHIP in its "cost allocation plan" and came up with an initial number of 5 million participants and projected another 1 million would be added.

The problem, he said, is that the balance of roughly 14 million should not have been counted as eligible for exchange plans because most of those people already had coverage through an employer or Medicare for seniors.

In fact, the state health department's most recent report on the exchange showed that as of Jan. 1 just under 2 million people were enrolled through Medicaid, 215,000 children through Child Health Plus and 380,000 through what's called the "Essential Plan" for low-income people not qualified for Medicaid. Another 272,000 were covered by the private plans offered through the exchange.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/7f5fc2e2f34545b8b6f0500f54ea8ae4/apnewsbreak-feds-ny-was-overpaid-health-exchange-setup

Anonymous said...


0linsky's green energy legacy:

Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Schneider Electric ($86 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)
(*Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy.)

h/t: legal insurrection.

Anonymous said...


U.S. equities traded mostly higher on Tuesday, after hitting new all-time highs, as investors digested housing data and kept an eye on President-elect Donald Trump's policy agenda.

The Dow Jones industrial average broke above 19,000 for the first time ever shortly after the open. As of 1:33 p.m. ET, it traded 42 points higher, with Home Depot contributing the most gains.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/22/us-markets.html

Warren Buffett sees $11 billion boom on Donald Trump win

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/22/warren-buffett-sees-7-billion-dollar-boom-on-donald-trump-win.html

nice. 2 full weeks after trump's victory and ol' warren is up $11 BILL.

i wonder if he's re-thinking his support for granny the liar.

Indy Voter said...

Fisker Automotive also went bankrupt.

Anonymous said...


indeed they did. and what was left was purchased by the chi-coms.

Anonymous said...




heh.

trump received 13% of the moose-limb vote.

https://www.facebook.com/CAIRNational/posts/10154269624197695

KD said...

H. L. Mencken Died: January 29, 1956"

But still he upset Jane, good.

KD, Trump Won on Woman Voters 42 % gave the finger to Granny said...

Home Depot contributing the most gains"

Great news I bought that stock some years ago at 60.27 and have never looked back, Great Company and the Owner Hate Obamacare.


As for Olinsky folly with our tax dollars do not forget or forgive GM which still owes the tax payer 18 Million dollars.


KD, Liberals Suicide rate spikes said...

Dear Snowflakes, Merry Trumpmas.

TRUMP SOARS UPDATE
"A new Quinnipiac poll finds American voters say by a 59% to 37% margin that they are “optimistic about the next four years with Donald Trump as president.”


t/h CHT

wphamilton said...

American voters say by a 59% to 37% margin that they are “optimistic about the next four years with Donald Trump

Have you ever known people who get infatuated with someone they met "on the internet?" Public message boards, text IM chatting, maybe some video chat these days, and they're convinced that they've known each other "for years", making plans for permanent relationships, and so on. And nobody dares tell them any different because they know that it's true "in their heart".

I have, and from where they stand they can't see the bigger picture. They don't realize that because of the lack of details, because of everything that they don't know, they fill in the gaps with their own imaginations, projecting onto that other person all of the traits they wish to see. That's why it feels so perfect, because it's an idealized person without the flaws of a real person.

That's what people are seeing with Trump right now, because we really don't know where he stands on a lot of things, let alone what he's going to do. Hell maybe he's not as dumb as he acts, maybe he's a business genius like he claims. Who among us really knows at this point? So it's natural to fill in the gaps, and it's natural to project those qualities that we want to see. Or that we despise, depending on our predilection. So I wouldn't put much stock into that 59 to 37% optimism number. Or the Trump Soars numbers either for that matter. A few months into his administration should tell the real story there.

Commonsense said...

Most of these people are probably not on the internet.

It's nothing more than a transition bump. Obama got it when he won the first time.

It's not unusual Trump got one.

KD, WP did you vote Hillary? said...

I did vote for President Trump, for me it came down to this weak ass near recession economy, America deserves better.

I was not going to vote at all on who would be President until, like Obama when he called me a bitter clinger, you know to my god, my gun,, fuck him, stupid ass anyways.,,, Until Hillary called my wife, my Adult Son and Me a Deplorable.

Then I voted proudly to keep that BleachBitch away from the WH for Ever.

I Invested $60,000 more at the opening the morning after the election, I believe in the hard working, job creating owners of businesses that DID BUILD IT, like I have.

KD said...

Trump WON

Now he is on to what some believe will be a historic Presidency, having vanquist Hillary on the Political playing field where weeks before the election she spiked the ball on the 5 yard line and Trump picked it up for a 95 yard return and the WIN. He has shown her how to be the bigger man, he forgives her.

That my friend is a very classy act on his part.

Cowardly King Obama said...


As I predicted Obama was the biggest gift to Republicans EVAH!!!

Many posters here will never see another Democrat in the White House.
Though they will be in denial and cling to their useless websites.

I AM THE KING !!!


back to my golf vacation

Cowardly King Obama said...


Oh the Dow is at all-time high.

Hint to those who still don't get it.... this is not a result of Obama but of Trump, despite him not being in office yet. Huge rally when Trump won, 2008 Huge drop when Obama became the likely president...

But way to complicated for those recovering or preaching.

wphamilton said...

CS, it's analogous to internet romances, not literally an internet thing. When we don't know much about someone, but have an emotional stake in that person, we tend to project. Normally that doesn't happen with a President but I think it applies here.

Look at what Putin, Duarte, al-Assad have said. They're thinking they can "work with" Trump, that it might somehow be good for them. And they don't have a clue about him, even less that the American public LOL.

wphamilton said...

KD if you still think I might have voted for Hillary, well I don't know what to tell you. Except maybe, snap out of it.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Surprise


Is not going to prosecute Clinton
He's thinking that climate change might be real
I never disagreed with the trade agreements needed reform.
He said torture is off the list.
His probable choice of Mitt Romney for Department of State
Big spending on infrastructure employing thousands of well paid, skilled construction tradesmen.
He is facing the reality of governing versus being a reality television star.
I still think his tax plan is a deficit explosion.
He has had several conversations with President Obama on his job. I heard that Obama was surprised with how much he didn't know what the job involves but he did ask. Good move.

Commonsense said...

All I can say is that Trump misdirects so many times that you don't know what he'll decide.

Until he does.

Commonsense said...

I still think his tax plan is a deficit explosion.

Or it will generate so much economic activity that it will generate surpluses.

I will say that his tax policy is targeted to encourage companies to bring capital and jobs back to the US.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

In an interview with The New York Times on November 22, 2016, President-elect Donald Trump disavowed and condemned the alt-right.

Oh gosh. That's bound to cut into his popularity.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

More People Voted for Democrats

Ezra Klein: “More Americans voted for Hillary Clinton than for Donald Trump. More Americans voted for Democratic Senate candidates than for Republican Senate candidates. And while we don’t have final numbers yet, it looks likely that more Americans will have voted for House Democrats than for House Republicans.”

“So why aren’t Democrats acting like it? Why aren’t they trying to force Republicans, the media, and the emergent Trump White House to act like it?”

“This is not an argument that the election was rigged, nor that Trump’s win is somehow illegitimate. The president is chosen by the Electoral College. The Senate is built to favor small states. Gerrymandering is legal. America does not decide national elections by simply tallying up votes. But the will of the voters still matters, or at least it should.”
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Wisconsin Redistricting Unfairly Favored GOP

“A panel of three federal judges said on Monday that the Wisconsin Legislature’s 2011 redrawing of State Assembly districts to favor Republicans was an unconstitutional partisan gerrymander, the first such ruling in three decades of pitched legal battles over the issue,” the New York Times reports.

“Federal courts have struck down gerrymanders on racial grounds, but not on grounds that they unfairly give advantage to a political party — the more common form of gerrymandering. The case could now go directly to the Supreme Court, where its fate may rest with a single justice, Anthony M. Kennedy, who has expressed a willingness to strike down partisan gerrymanders but has yet to accept a rationale for it.”

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Why won't Trump say "Radical White Extremism"?

Why won't he say, "Nazis"?

Commonsense said...

Gerrymandering works well for the Democrats in Democrat controlled state houses.

And if you want to change the reality, win more state houses.

Don't expect the supreme court to change it for you.

They stay out of political questions.

Commonsense said...

Why won't he say, "Nazis"?

Because unlike you he understands that the use of the word is a rhetorical dead-end.

caliphate4vr said...

So why aren’t Democrats acting like it? Why aren’t they trying to force Republicans, the media, and the emergent Trump White House to act like it?”

Because they were DEVASTATED. Worst position the Donks have been in since reconstruction

Couldn't happen to better party

LOL

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Use of "Nazis" is entirely appropriate when talking about genuine, self-professing Nazis.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Nearly 20,000 anti-Semitic tweets have been directed at more than 800 journalists since the 2016 presidential campaign began, often because those journalists voiced critical opinions about Donald Trump, the Anti-Defamation League said Wednesday.

The anti-Semitic Twitter attacks, which have increased as the campaign has gone on, represent what the ADL describes in a new report as a "disturbing" and "execrable" trend.

"There is evidence that a considerable number of the anti-Semitic tweets targeting journalists originate with people identifying themselves as Trump supporters, 'conservatives' or extreme right-wing elements," the ADL report states.

While the ADL is careful to note that Trump did not support these tweets, the group says he "may have contributed to an environment in which reporters were targeted" because of his anti-media rhetoric, which has included labeling reporters "absolute scum" and saying that while he did not want to kill reporters, he did "hate them."

The ADL says it found 2.6 million tweets "containing language frequently found in anti-Semitic speech" between August 2015 and July 2016. 19,253 of those tweets were directed at American journalists, the ADL found; the top 10 most targeted journalists (all of whom are Jewish) received 83 percent of them.

Julia Ioffe, a Washington-based journalist, received tweets that referred to her using slurs and said "Back to the Ovens!" after she wrote a profile of Melania Trump for GQ.

Jonathan Weisman, an editor at The New York Times, was sent images of ovens and of himself wearing Nazi "Juden" stars after tweeting about casino magnate Sheldon Adelson's support for Trump, and after making note of the responses to Ioffe's article.

Hadas Gold, a reporter at Politico, recently received an image of herself wearing a Nazi "Juden" star with a bullet hole in her head because she had been critical of Trump.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Neo-Nazi 'alt-right' group offers a 'Hail Trump' salute

A newly released video shows a room full of people doing the Hitler salute and yelling "Hail Trump!" after listening to a speech about white nationalism that invokes Nazi terminology.

The video was taken over the weekend by a reporter for The Atlantic while working on a documentary about Richard Spencer. Spencer is the person speaking in the video. He runs the National Policy Institute, a self-described "alt-right" think tank that openly supports white nationalist and neo-Nazi policies. In the past, he has called for a "peaceful ethnic cleansing" of the United States.

In the video, Spencer calls the media "leftists" and "cucks," invoking popular "alt-right" insults for people they disagree with. He calls the media the "Lügenpresse," which is what the original Nazi Party called the media in Germany – the "lying press."

"We don't exploit other groups," he says, the "we" referring explicitly to white people. "We don't gain anything from their presence."

"The press has clearly decided to double-down and wage war against the legitimacy of Trump and the continued existence of white America," he continues. "But they are really opening up the door for us.... America was, until this past generation, a white country, designed for ourselves and our posterity. It is our creation, it is our inheritance, and it belongs to us."

Members of the crowd gave the Nazi salute throughout the speech.

Last week, the Twitter accounts for Spencer and his think tank were suspended, along with a number of other "alt-right" accounts.

Trump's campaign issued a statement in response to the video: “President-elect Trump has continued to denounce racism of any kind and he was elected because he will be a leader for every American. To think otherwise is a complete misrepresentation of the movement that united Americans from all backgrounds.”

White supremacists have credited Trump's win with sparking a new interest in their movement.

Commonsense said...

Except they don't call themselves "Nazies" therefore they are not self-professed.

Therefore, according to your logic, the use of the term Nazi is entirely inappropriate.

It's fun when you trip over your own mindlessness.

Anonymous said...

James said...
In an interview with The New York Times on November 22, 2016, President-elect Donald Trump disavowed and condemned the alt-right.
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let us know when the left disavows and condemns the black lies matter shitstains.

while you assholes are clutching your pearls and swooning on the fainting couches over what the alt-right MIGHT DO, black lies matter is ambushing and actually KILLING police offices on a daily basis all across america.

one thing's for certain - you and the alky have mastered the art of psychological projection, that's for sure.

KD said...

It's fun when you trip over your own mindlessness. "


Jane has a new stupid bone, the Democrats actually won, really.

Tell that to Hillary. Hillary you WON, but keep the drapes at your multimillion dollar home.

KD, Funny Leftist faint said...

"clutching your pearls and swooning on the fainting couches"
Don't for get the adorn themselves with dirty diaper baby safety pins.

Democrats won, that is the new JANE breathless statement, never mind reality,,,

Lost the White House, HER spent 1 Billion, HER had the 'Ground Game", HER had "The WALL", HER had the "BIG DOG", HER had the "ONE" and still lost by a score of 306 to 232.

So now that she lost, just be a good dumbass and say she actually won.