Network news. the NY Times, and Breitbart reporting that deal has been reached. Politico, Bloomberg and others reporting that there is no deal and that the GOP has not even discussed the possibilities among themselves.
So here is where we are at in 2017. We can't even get sane reporting on whether or not two sides have come to a deal on DACA and border security? Go figure.
My best guess is that the Democrats have circled their wagons (as they always do), and probably have some sort of deal "in principle" for the DACA portion of a broader bill among themselves. They maybe even got some sort of buy in from the President regarding that "side" of the broader agreement. Perhaps they even figured that they could get that agreement with little concessions if they leaked it out and put pressure on the President to follow through with some sort of similar statement of support.
But clearly this is going to have to be a give and take. The President might have eased off the partisanship on the subject of hurricane relief, and was willing to cut a deal with the side that could help him get it done. But this is not hurricane relief, and one deal doesn't mean that the President is suddenly a Democrat.
That being said, I believe that the President does want some relief for the 800,000 dreamers in all of this. I don't believe he wants to deport them. His best play here is to make it a win for both sides, and a win/win for himself. Make sure that the Democrats what they want and that the GOP gets what they want. Both sides give a little. Then everyone's a winner, winner, chicken dinner.
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Trump has backed off a little bit but if you read the tweets and actually look at them is very ambiguous. He still said he does not want to throw all those people out of the country. But he's appealing to his base of course. Breitbart went insane. But it's not going to much it's going to get done. DACA is going to be successful and the 700,000 people will not be deported.
The response on the Wall was in a tweet, he said it is undermining construction. But not the big show he promised.
The Republicans are going ape shit. So he's trying to calm them down.
Undergoing Construction. I was typing but I still didn't catch that. And by the way much more important my daughter is in labor and with her my newest granddaughter. Roger is very happy and smiling and everything is doing well!!!! :-) :-) :-)
And no I don't hate him I'm quite impressed. Some of the people I've seen on Facebook are just the conservative ones are just freaking out. Is the cartoon that I found in and posted it on Facebook but you know you can't see it that's enough but that's funny yes very funny. McConnell and Ryan are walking with swords in their backs.
Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!.....
Posted this morning.Twitter.
Roger - I don't know a single Republican who is taking McConnell and Ryan's side on this one. Consensus being that Trump made that deal as a warning to the GOP. Even my friend who is a never-Trumper admits that the GOP congress has to get their shit together and didn't really blame Trump.
It's only a few of the hold out "establishment" DC media types who don't see the broader picture. They believe he got "rolled" in the deal. But they are simply not admitting the total dysfunction of the congressional GOP right now. They still believe that Trump didn't wait long enough or didn't hold out long enough or something. Prudence carried the day over partisanship. Some only understand partisanship.
But that deal was "exactly" the sort of thing one should expect out of Trump. If you voted for him, and didn't think he would ever "cut a deal" that wasn't purely 100% for the Republican Party... then you didn't really get what he was about.
Bill Clinton did a lot of the same things. Worked with Republicans where he thought Republicans had better ideas. But when he did it, the media tossed around fancy words like "Triangulation" and made it out like Clinton was the one pulling all the string. Nobody ever accused him of being "rolled" because he helped pass legislation that his Party stood against. It actually made "him" more popular.
no alky, breitbart is not going insane and the GOP is not going apeshit.
what they both are doing is showing a legitimate level of concern with the early reports. particularly since trump's #1 campaign issue was stopping illegal immigration and building a wall.
trump DOES need to thread this needle very carefully because if he does capitulate, or give the appearance of capitulation, he risks alienating those who catapulted him into the white house.
that's the difference between the left and the right, alky...
the left demands to be lied to every day. they love it and thrive on it.
the right, otoh, insists upon being told the truth. which is exactly why ryan and mcconnell are on the shit list these days.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!.....
Posted this morning.Twitter.
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genius, of the 800,000 nightmare'ers, maybe 1%, MAYBE, are educated, gainfully employed, actually serving in the military, etc.
so yeah, they can stay. legalize 'em. no problem.
the issue is the 99% that are undocumented democrat parasites. THEY need to get the fuck out and stay out. they're a net drain on the federal budget and the overall economy and their ONLY redeeming value is to democrats -
every two years on election day.
btw, towns like college park md. are pulling back the curtain on the left's REAL intent:
The Washington suburb of College Park, Md., on Tuesday became the largest U.S. city to allow noncitizens to cast ballots in municipal elections after a divided City Council vote that reflected the nation’s heated and emotional debate over illegal immigration.
Unlike most other states, Maryland allows towns and cities to decide for themselves who can vote in local elections. In recent years, Hyattsville, Mount Rainier, Takoma Park and several smaller towns have extended that privilege to noncitizens. College Park, home to about 32,000 and the University of Maryland’s flagship campus, will join them starting in 2019.
The decision to allow undocumented immigrants, student visa holders and residents with green cards to vote comes eight months into a crackdown on illegal immigration by President Trump and one week after his administration said it will wind down a deportation-relief program for young immigrants brought here as children. Council members and activists who supported the measure said it would send a message that College Park is a welcoming community for all residents, regardless of legal status.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/college-park-decides-to-allow-noncitizens-to-vote-in-local-elections/2017/09/13/2b7adb4a-987b-11e7-87fc-c3f7ee4035c9_story.html?utm_term=.a1e0389f1f4b
you assholes won't quit until you have completely destroyed the value of citizenship, borders, and national sovereignty.
CH. Your buddy rrb posted this.the issue is the 99% that are undocumented democrat parasites. THEY need to get the fuck out and stay out. they're a net drain on the federal budget and the overall economy and their ONLY redeeming value is to democrats -
That is a complete fabrication and you know it why don't you call him on it?
One, to the racist little bastard. This is a nation of immigrants and we should have banned your ancestors long time ago so we wouldn't have to put up with his bullshit, you hate filled little piece of shit.
Roger -
DACA didn't provide any "amnesty" or "citizenship" of these workers. It basically provided those (who qualified) for two year green cards that they could continue to apply for.
The main "protection" was from amnesty. The main objection (legally and politically) is that the President is not allowed (under the consitution) to provide "any" illegal with "any" form of status. Not even a green card.
If those 800,000 are actually going to school or working then (I would assume) under any agreement, they could keep their green card status. That means (whether the percentage is 99 or 9) that those who are not going to school or holding a job would not qualify and could be deported.
I don't believe that the GOP will agree to move "further" than DACA in terms of granting status. I would offer that any real citizenship would be a non-starter for most Republicans.
But if it's just to keep the status quo (issuing the temporary green cards) then there is a deal to be made.
One, to the racist little bastard.
It's not racist you dumbfuck learn the definition
I don't know a single Republican who is taking McConnell and Ryan's side on this one
Maybe you need a new circle of friends, yours seem close minded considering the polls clearly show the populace is in favor of citizen ship or residency....
Maybe you need a new circle of friends,
I am referring to the deal with the Democrats regarding the hurricane relief.
There "is" no deal on DACA right now, so there is no reason to believe that Trump is stabbing anyone in the back on that one. Especially considering immigration crack down is "his" issue, more so than the GOP's issue.
He harms himself politically more so than the GOP by agreeing to any bad immigration deals.
My new granddaughter is Kylee Emma Simmons ❤️
Statistics are 95% or in school or working does lied and you don't call him on it because you can't stand it means the truth b*******
RAT SAYS ---trump DOES need to thread this needle very carefully because if he does capitulate, or give the of capitulation, he risks alienating those who catapulted him into the white house.
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He is going to capitulate on this and on the Wall and on healthcare.
Cue the ranting and raving and hating factions of the GOP.
"Amused, James"
Pedophile, James
Congrats on the granddaughter. May she grow up in a true democracy, for a change.
“At this point, who doesn’t want Trump impeached?”
— Ann Coulter, on Twitter, in response to Trump saying he wants to work with Democrats to protect DREAMers.
‘The Wall Will Come Later’
Leaving the White House for Florida this morning, President Trump told pool reporters that “the wall will come later,” adding that a deal is “fairly close” with Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell both on board, but both sides have to “get past the border security,” Axios reports.
Said Trump: “We’re working on a plan — subject to getting massive border controls. We’re working on a plan for DACA. People want to see that happen. You have 800,000 young people, brought here, no fault of their own. So we’re working on a plan, we’ll see how it works out. We’re going to get massive border security as part of that. And I think something can happen, we’ll see what happens, but something will happen.”
He added: “Mitch is on board, Paul Ryan’s on board. We all feel — look, 92% of the people agree on DACA — but what we want is very, very powerful border security, okay?”
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The Wall will come NEVER. ROFL
"Delighted, JamesSeptember 14, 2017 at 10:34 AM
Congrats on the granddaughter"
Keep her away from the pedo.
"A great American patriot named James"
No such person exists
"Statistics are 95% or in school or working does lied and you don't call him on it because you can't stand it means the truth b*******"
She's ready to blow, again.
Why a DACA Deal Could Be a Problem for Republicans
iow, WHY REPUBLICANS ARE IN HEAP BIG TROUBLE
Playbook: “John Boehner and Eric Cantor were thrown to the wolves a few years ago for even toying with some sort of immigration reform package. Paul Ryan promised conservatives when he won the speakership in 2015 that he would not pursue and immigration package unless it had the support of the majority of Republicans. That means whatever deal Trump cut — or will cut — with Schumer and Pelosi needs to have the support of 121 House Republicans.
“Remember: Paul Ryan is always under the threat of an immediate referendum vote of his speakership. Immigration isn’t like touching the third rail. It’s like hugging an electrified pole while wearing soaking wet clothing.”
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LOL Couldn't happen to a more deserving Party.
She's ready to blow, again.
She allows her emotions to guide everything
So what's the controversy now, whether or not the Republicans agreed to a bipartisan approach on DACA? Is it now considered an insult to the party?
Yes. See how far we have come?
"A great American patriot named James"
A pedophile named James.
House GOP Worries About ‘Mass Exodus’ of Members
“Following a rash of retirements, House Republican leaders are scrambling to get something done legislatively to convince other frustrated members not to toss in the towel in a tough political environment,” TPM reports.
“It’s not much fun to be a House Republican these days. President Trump has repeatedly taken potshots at their conference. Primary challenges burble on the right. Congress has been unable to pass much meaningful legislation in spite of unified control of Washington. Every trip home means an earful both from liberals furious at their support of the president and conservatives irate they’re not doing enough to support his agenda. And members who haven’t seen real competition for years face tough races due to Trump’s deep unpopularity.
“That weighs heavily on Republicans who are on the fence about returning.”
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Couldn't happen to a more...
wphamilton said...
So what's the controversy now, whether or not the Republicans agreed to a bipartisan approach on DACA? Is it now considered an insult to the party?
James said...
Yes.
"His best play here is to make it a win for both sides, and a win/win for himself. Make sure that the Democrats what they want and that the GOP gets what they want. Both sides give a little."
Pelosi and the clown lying right out of the box doesn't bode well for the Marxist wing of the democrat party.
"James said.."
Pedophile said..
"Is it now considered an insult to the party?"
Nope, not as long as there's increased border security and a guarantee that this is the last time we have to deal with this nonsense.
The ultra wing of the GOP are bouncing off the ceilings this morning.
Ann Coulter BLEW.
He spoke a couple times today on it and is ambiguous but bottom line is they will work out a deal and they will not Deport hundred eight hundred thousand people. Check his Twitter feed or look at the news. He also said if there is bipartisan plans on check tax reform. He may actually get this done. Some on the far right are not going to be happy but there are a minority. rrb does not represent the power in the Republican Party he's a far Edge Fringe Nut Job.
"Laughing, James"
Pedophile, James
Trump makes deals. He is not a political ideologue, like Olinsky.
The parameters of the deal will be the Dreamers stay and in return increased border security. The wall will not be directly linked to DACA.
Immigration is down so Trump is succeeding in that regard. Fewer are crossing the border, regardless of the wall or partial wall.
So different from Olinsky.
Finally a President who actually cares about regular people, "dreamers" included.
Congratulations on the Grandchild, Roger.
Haven't seen little jimmy adding more of this line to his political-lire source since just before the November election
"LOL Couldn't happen to a more deserving Party. "
Didn't see much of him after that for a long time. Now he's slowly getting back at it...
How did that work out last year little jimmy? hint, the same as it will next election.
ROFLMFAO !!!
Roger Amick said...
One, to the racist little bastard. This is a nation of immigrants
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wrong again, oh ye of 2nd hand liver.
we are a nation of LEGAL immigrants. and we had a system that was working just fine right up until 1965 when democrats - led by chappaquiddick ted - fucked it all up.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Statistics are 95% or in school or working does lied and you don't call him on it because you can't stand it means the truth b*******
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yeah, and this same set of "statistics" claims the majority are "children."
heh.
Yes Breitbart went nuts. rrb show.er up your ass here and you jerk.
In a meeting with establishment politicians from the Problem Solvers Caucus and the Blue Dog Coalition, President Trump signaled a full-fledged cave on the issue of giving amnesty to nearly 800,000 illegal aliens currently protected by an Obama-created executive immigration program.
Since Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced the ultimate end to the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, under which hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens were given work permits and temporary protected status, Trump has remained unclear on whether he would stick to his anti-amnesty campaign promises or cave to the political establishment.
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At his White House meeting with moderates, according to The Hill, Trump is set to choose a legislative deal that quickly legalizes the nearly 800,000 illegal aliens on DACA, without getting any pro-American immigration reforms in return:
Indeed, said Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas), the president is already getting impatient.
“He says, ‘Oh, DACA, we want to move on this quick, we don’t want to wait six months,’” Cuellar said after the meeting. “He said, ‘It’s already been six days and nothing’s happened.’”
Cuellar said Trump didn’t propose a timeline, but voiced concerns that waiting until the March 5 deadline grows closer would only put a spotlight on the issue and make it more difficult for Congress to act. The president, Cuellar said, wants to move “when people are not expecting it.”
…
“He said, ‘We don’t have to tie a wall to this. We can put a wall [in another bill],’” Cuellar said, emphasizing that other border enforcement measures would likely be included.
Although Trump is looking at pushing through a clean amnesty bill for DACA recipients, he did mention during the meeting, according to Cuellar, the possibility of passing Sen. Tom Cotton’s (R-AR) pro-American worker “RAISE Act,” which cuts legal immigration in half, in exchange for amnesty.
Trump’s cave to DACA amnesty comes just a day after the White House Legislative Affairs Director Marc Short said the administration would look at exchanging amnesty for tax cuts. Short, as Breitbart News reported, is a former executive with the pro-mass immigration billionaires, the Koch brothers.
Additionally, Short led an effort in 2016 inside the Koch organization to derail Trump, opposing him for his “America First” agenda. Although Short’s anti-Trump operation never came to fruition, he went on to join Sen. Marco Rubio’s (R-FL) unsuccessful presidential campaign.
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what???
Thank you. I will post a couple pictures later.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Yes Breitbart went nuts.
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no alky, they didn't. they're digesting the info as it can be verified.
get a fucking grip, drama queen.
what???
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SIGN UP!!!
LOL.
"get a fucking grip, drama queen."
Daily.
He's obnoxious.
"... President Trump signaled a full-fledged cave on the issue of giving amnesty to nearly 800,000 illegal aliens currently protected by an Obama-created executive immigration program."
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Trump is getting freaking good at cave ins.
"Didn't see much of him after that for a long time. Now he's slowly getting back at it...
How did that work out last year little jimmy?"
It got him fired.
He's going to lose his substitute position too.
congrats on the grand alky, alky.
"About that loser in the White House James"
About that pedophile James.
Daily.
He's obnoxious.
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dr. ching, chang, chung, whatever needs to cut the dosage WAY back on roger's estrogen therapy.
little jimmy, you need to look at the mirror to see a loser.
the MAN in the WHITE HOUSE is the WINNER
and all your spam in the world won't change that.
ROFLMFAO !!!
WP...
I don't think most Republicans or Trump supporters have an issue with a bi-partisan approach to both immigration and tax relief. In fact, I am sure there are quite a few polls out there suggesting that American voters (of all Parties) believe this is the right approach.
But it sort of goes back to the previous argument. Obama didn't work across the aisle much. When they had majorities they pushed Obamacare on party line votes. When he lost the majority, he started trying to do everything by Presidential proxy.
So there are those out there who suggest that what is good for the goose, is good for the gander... and think the GOP should be passing legislation that just makes the GOP happy.
Personally.... I think these sorts of policies have a better long term chance of success if both Parties contribute and get something they want. Not that I trust that even working together that Congress can find their collective asses with both hands... but at the very least you won't get one Party campaigning "against" immigration reform or tax reform... and then everyone pointing fingers when it doesn't work the first time. If you have everyone vested in the program, you have everyone vested in the fix.
On the flip side, I think on other issues (such as Federal Judgeships) I think it's extremely important that Trump do what Trump campaigned on and that McConnell does whatever he needs to get those nominees confirmed.
Trump promised that we would all be just absolutely delighted at how quickly and easily he got things done.
LOL Loretta will now prove that she is lying
by being unable to give us the name, address,
and telephone number of a single church from
which I have ever been fired.
Granddaughter is on the legacy blog. Above the stupid rrb b.s..
My a** is hard and trim. That first picture is a self portrait of rrb.
Trump is following the President Clinton stratagery :-)
hey alky,
here's your feel good story of the day:
An estimated 16,000 retired Teamsters across upstate New York will be hit with 29 percent pension cuts on Oct. 1 as the union representing truckers and others in the shipping industry grapples with declining membership and a growing number of retirees.
Another 21,000 active, or currently employed Teamsters will see their pensions drop 18 percent below what they previously counted on for retirement.
The cuts are for members of Teamsters Local 294, also known as the Upstate Teamsters. Many of the members work for UPS, a major freight and delivery service.
The pensions are known as multi-employer plans, which are union-administered programs for workers such as truck drivers who may work for a variety of employers during their careers.
Notably, most of the members who voted on the cuts opposed them. Of the 35,173 ballots mailed out, 9,788 voted “no” while 4,081 voted “yes.’’ But under federal rules governing such votes, ballots that aren’t returned are counted as “yes” votes and 20,767 did not come back.
“They never participated,” said Tom Baum, the volunteer retiree representative to the local’s pension board.
The size of pensions that union members collect vary widely, depending on how long they worked and where. Those who had lengthy careers with companies like UPS have healthy pensions and a few, 452, collect about $5,000-per-month, said Baum.
http://blog.timesunion.com/capitol/archives/277270/retired-teamsters-hit-with-29-percent-pension-cut/
heh.
estrogen
Dr rrb.
No, lots of medications but no need. You need testosterone levels high enough to function. But you don't get anything because he hates you. , :-) :-) :-)
Redoing the Electoral Math
I argued that demographics favored the Democrats. I was wrong.
The carpenters union pension in California is in perfect condition that's what my money comes from shove it up your ass I'm not a Teamster. Btw, Medicare and Kaiser Permanente Senior Advantage paid over $600,000. Did you pay the tax every month thank you you helped sorry about that you stupid f****** I'm laughing at your stupid ass
I got over $3,200 a month. From the Carpenters pension in California. Added to the pensions from Montana and Social Security I alone make more than the medium income for a family of four. Together my wife and I make over six figures guaranteed for life so you can shove it up your ass you amusing idiot.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
The carpenters union pension in California is in perfect condition that's what my money comes from shove it up your ass I'm not a Teamster
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i realize that genius.
i just thought this part was hilarious and typical of general union member "intellect":
"But under federal rules governing such votes, ballots that aren’t returned are counted as “yes” votes and 20,767 did not come back.
“They never participated,” said Tom Baum, the volunteer retiree representative to the local’s pension board."
returning a ballot. not exactly rocket science now is it alky?
You are completely addled, Roger
Blogger Roger Amick said...
I got over $3,200 a month.
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that's nice alky.
you do realize that $800/week is nothing to brag about, right?
HB, SO WRONG , so often.
You are easily tricked, I have done it to you many times.
The question the teamsters need to ask is wtf did the Union thugs do with the 100's of million they were in trusted with to invest and grow.
Cali, as always is right about Roger.
The question the teamsters need to ask is wtf did the Union thugs do with the 100's of million they were in trusted with to invest and grow.
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well, union leadership took a massive chunk, another massive chunk was given to democrats as political donations, and the remainder was "invested."
Rathole posted....
yeah, and this same set of "statistics" claims the majority are "children."
Wrong again dick breath......as usual when you are as stupid as you are.....
http://www.factcheck.org/2017/09/spinning-facts-daca/
HB could tell us the California Carpenters Union pension so we could look at just how healthy it is.
Public workers from two more towns expected to lose CalPERS pensions
http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/the-state-worker/article172960601.html
boy, union stink bombs are exploding from coast to coast today.
keep a close eye on your $800 a week alky.
Hi, opie, how you doing?
Hb has a lovely new grand daughter, congrats to him.
KD said...
Hi, opie, how you doing?
FU and the goat you rode in on....Loser...
Rathole posted
Public workers from two more towns expected to lose CalPERS pensions
Since you hate public workers, does this news make you feel like a big man???? I'm sure you don't have a pension and will depend on SS for most of your retirement income......maybe your party can cut your lifeline.....good....!!!!
Awe, why the hostility?
Don't tell me your still upset about what did to you the other dsy.
The other day.. there fixed
Anonymous caliphate4vr said...
You are completely addled, Roger
And you are a loser salesman.....looking forward to a mature comeback...your last word....LOL
KD said...
Awe, why the hostility?
Nothing hostile ...you are just a disingenuous asshole screaming for attention.....idiot...
set about what did to you the other dsy.
drinking early today douche????? Trouble seeing the keyboard...>LOLOLOL
Stanford University did a study in 2016, results Calpers , it is underfunded by $1 trillion USD.
What I did to you here still has you upset. I got it.
HB, did her best drama queen fainting earlier, so you are up next, get to it already.
Great news for those of you that heat with Natural Gas. Because of facing the US Has a huge supply going into winter.
Because of Fracking.
HAHAHAHA, liberals deserve the trots...
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Ann Coulter: 'At this point, who DOESN'T want Trump impeached?'
My total take home after taxes, I get over $1,200/ week. What I made working 40 hours each week. Kiss my Lilly white ass.
My lovely Panamanian Queen brings in about the same.
Horrible! Unbelievable that rrb and the k'putz think we are living on the edge. If you think that income is poverty, well, your just stupid.
I gotcha again k'putz.
Sara Sanders , Hillary's book show why she should never be President.
HB, idiot, RRB was capping you not me.
God damn you are a stupid fuck.
STATEMENT OF A GREAT PRESIDENT, BARACK OBAMA:
“Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? They have been in our country for many years through no fault of their own — brought in by parents at young age.
“No, we’re not looking at citizenship. We’re not looking at amnesty. We’re looking at allowing people to stay here.”
Oh wait. Obama didn't say that.
Who did?
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The answer is knee slapping funny.
BS, you have often said I was foolish and broke. Idiot. I'm neither. Six figures for life is far better than most. And I didn't inherit my income. I was smart enough to make it for myself with hard work. I was a far better than average carpenter, so shove it up your cow's ass.. she is mooing for you again.
And the GOP is in a full panic mode.
Trump’s exasperation with GOP leadership is boiling over. After watching the Obamacare repeal effort crash and burn after seven months of work, two weeks of talks with Democrats have yielded far more action. Trump has signaled that he wants the talks to continue, and a person familiar with Wednesday night's meeting described it as "jovial" and far more pleasant than meetings with GOP leaders.
A senior White House official said Trump doesn't think the current Republican leadership has gotten much done and wants to change that. "He's not OK saying, 'Oh, we're just not doing anything,'" this person said.
“It’s a process I’ve never seen before,” said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.). “He was frustrated that a Republican majority has not achieved the goals he wants to. So he is spending time with, as he calls them, Chuck and Nancy.”
Republicans spent Thursday trying to pull Trump back from a deal that would not provide wall funding. And Trump at times walked back his initial confirmations of an agreement on the Deferred Action on Childhood Arrivals programs.
Still, it was not the first time Trump has been enamored with Democratic talk about an immigration “deal.”
This is just Politico, even Rush is losing it. Ann Coulter is calling for #impeachmnt
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/14/daca-gop-feels-betrayed-by-trump-deal-242740
Breitbard writers were off the wall. Bannon hasn't said much, but since he left, it looks like the General has talked some sense into the President, because the Republicans couldn't even repeal ObamaCare.
James, the only reason most of the Republicans oppose DACA reform and enabling a pathway to citizenship, is that they would vote, mostly for Democrats. The Republicans have been trying for a decade to make it more and more difficult for voters who are likely to vote for Democrats to vote. It's completely contrary to the Constitution and the right to vote. The right of the PEOPLE are those who grant the power to the government to keep them safe and give them the opportunity to succeed. But if you are Hispanic, OMG, they are brown skinned and that offends the Trump base, like the blog bigot.
GOP Feels Betrayed By Trump
Politico: “While GOP leaders were able to brush off the debt pact as no big deal, after Thursday they were reminding the president that they — not the Democrats — run Congress. Though they differed on whether to bill it as a deal, Trump and Democratic leaders Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi agreed in some fashion that they want to shield so-called Dreamers from deportation and beef up border security, leaving the fight over the border wall for later.
“That left Republicans grappling with a frightening new potential reality: that Trump will cut controversial deals with Democrats and leave them to pick up the pieces.”
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Couldn't happen to a more deserving Party.
“If Mr Trump were another person, he could orchestrate this chaos to his ends. No president has inherited better conditions to realign US politics. But Mr Trump has the attention span of a goldfish."
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8:12 PM - Sep 13, 2017 · Washington, DC
There are four people whom Hillary Clinton devotes good-sized chunks of her new book What Happened to criticizing. Three of them are Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, and James Comey.
The other one is Bernie Sanders.
Clinton critiques Sanders in the book by name on many different issues, and she sometimes even goes out of her way to do it, reviving disputes from the campaign and portraying Sanders overall as hypocritical, disloyal, and unserious. (Though she does occasionally praise him for having some good ideas.)
She attempts to cast some blame on Sanders for her defeat last fall, saying that during the primaries he resorted to “innuendo and impugning my character” in a way that caused “lasting damage,” and that he stayed in the race too long.
Then she reiterates some of her own critiques of Sanders from the primary, calling him insufficiently committed to gun control and reproductive rights, and claiming his policy proposals aren’t “realistic.”
Finally, she says his theory for how to win over working-class white voters doesn’t make sense, and argues that he’s far too negative toward the Democratic Party: “I am proud to be a Democrat and I wish Bernie were, too.”
At a time when much of the Democratic establishment has been working hard to make Sanders and his supporters feel included and represented in the party, Clinton has chosen to take the opposite approach. No unity or kumbaya for her — Clinton is making it very clear to all her supporters that she does not have a particularly high opinion of her old rival, and that she has no intention of papering over her differences with him from the 2016 primary.
The book has been promoted as a candid tell-all in which, now that Clinton is finally out of politics for good, she will at last tell us she truly thinks. “I’ve often felt I had to be careful in public,” she writes in the introduction. “Now I’m letting my guard down.”
But it’s quite clear that Clinton isn’t retreating to a comfortable retirement — she spends part of the book’s last chapter promoting a new political action organization she started this year. At the very least, Clinton is using this book to position herself as a leading voice in the political arena for years to come.
And it suggests she will keep using that voice to criticize Sanders and his rising influence.
Near the end of the book, Clinton puts the lion’s share of the blame for her defeat on then-FBI Director James Comey’s late intervention, arguing that she was set to win before that happened. She puts secondary blame on Russian interference, and earlier in the book she admits some of her own strategic mistakes.
But she also claims Bernie Sanders did two specific things that hurt her.
First of all, Clinton complains that Sanders disparaged her character with “innuendo” about her being corrupt and in hock to Wall Street and financial interests — and that these attacks stuck. She writes:
Bernie routinely portrayed me as a corrupt corporatist who couldn’t be trusted. His clear implication was that because I accepted campaign donations from people on Wall Street—just as President Obama had done—I was “bought and paid for.”
...Because we agreed on so much, Bernie couldn’t make an argument against me in this area on policy, so he had to resort to innuendo and impugning my character... His attacks caused lasting damage, making it harder to unify progressives in the general election and paving the way for Trump’s “Crooked Hillary” campaign. I don’t know if that bothered Bernie or not.
Secondly, she complains that Sanders stayed in the primary race long after it was clear he would lose and complains he waited too long to endorse her.
Ultimately, none of this [her disadvantage in caucus states] mattered much after I built up a large delegate lead in March. What did matter, and had a lasting impact, was that Bernie’s presence in the race meant that I had less space and credibility to run the kind of feisty progressive campaign that had helped me win Ohio and Pennsylvania in 2008. ...
...The delegate math hadn’t been in question since March, but Bernie had hung on to the bitter end, drawing blood wherever he could along the way. I somewhat understood why he did it; after all, I stayed in the race for as long as I could in 2008. But that race was much closer, and I endorsed Barack right after the last primary. On this day in New York, Bernie was still more than a month away from endorsing me.
These specific critiques don’t strike me as convincing, because much of Sanders’s behavior seems to be within normal boundaries for a tough primary and is indeed quite similar to what Clinton herself did in her 2008 run. (She critiqued Barack Obama’s ties to a slumlord donor and questioned whether he was ready to be president. She also stayed in the race through the last primary even though Obama had a clear delegate advantage, though she waited a few days to endorse him rather than over a month as Sanders did for her.)
Whatever damage Sanders did to Clinton’s chances seems unlikely to have resulted from these specific tactical choices, but more plausibly to stem from the fundamental nature of his appeal and candidacy compared to hers. He purported to offer a more idealistic and pure form of politics that his supporters found very appealing, which made traditional Democratic politics seem underwhelming in comparison. (Plus, she really did give those Wall Street speeches, and Donald Trump was going to use that against her no matter what Sanders said.)
Clinton doesn’t stop with documenting how she believes Sanders contributed to her defeat. In separate chapters devoted to women and gun violence, she goes out of her way to bash Sanders by resurrecting critiques she made of him during the primaries — with the intention of painting him as a hypocrite and impugning his own progressive credentials.
First, in a chapter called “On Being a Woman in Politics,” Clinton writes:
I was dismayed when Bernie Sanders dismissed Planned Parenthood as just another part of “the establishment” when they endorsed me over him. Few organizations are as intimately connected to the day-to-day lives of Americans from all classes and backgrounds as Planned Parenthood, and few are under more persistent attack. I’m not sure what’s “establishment” about that, and I don’t know why someone running to be the Democratic nominee for President would say so.
After the election, Bernie suggested that Democrats should be open to nominating and supporting candidates who are anti-choice. Other topics, such as economic justice, are sacrosanct, but apparently women’s health is not.
Then, in a chapter about gun violence, Clinton again dredges up primary disputes to portray Sanders as a phony who does the NRA’s bidding:
Bernie Sanders, who loved to talk about how “true progressives” never bow to political realities or powerful interests, had long bowed to the political reality of his rural state of Vermont and supported the NRA’s key priorities, including voting against the Brady Bill five times in the 1990s. In 2005, he voted for that special immunity law that protects gun makers and sellers from being sued when their weapons are used in deadly attacks.
The NRA said the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act was the most important gun-related legislation in more than twenty years. Then-Senator Barack Obama and I had voted against it. I couldn’t believe Bernie continued to support the law ten years later when he ran for President. I hammered him on the issue every chance I got... As I told the crowd, it was like he was reading straight from the NRA’s talking points. After months of pressure from activists and victims’ families, Bernie finally said he would reconsider his vote.
Whether or not you view these criticisms as sincere — given Clinton’s own posturing on gun control in 2008, that part comes off as at least a little disingenuous — they show Clinton is returning to arguments she used during the primary. Back then, she portrayed herself as a stronger progressive on social issues than Sanders, and argued that he was unreliable and too willing to compromise them away. This was of course partly a response to Sanders’s own rhetorical strategy on economic issues, as Clinton writes:
It was beyond frustrating that Bernie acted as if he had a monopoly on political purity and that he had set himself up as the sole arbiter of what it meant to be progressive, despite giving short shrift to important issues such as immigration, reproductive rights, racial justice, and gun safety. I believed we could and should fight both for more equal economic opportunities and greater social justice. They go hand in hand, and it’s wrong to sacrifice the latter in the name of the former.
Perhaps Clinton’s intends her return to these points here as a salvo in an ideological debate over the Democratic Party’s future. Or perhaps Clinton’s main purpose is just to criticize Sanders in particular. Or perhaps the 2016 primary in fact never ended after all.
Clinton continues her critique of Sanders by arguing that while she and her team spent time and took care balancing practical and political feasibility on her various proposals, he treated policy with far less seriousness:
Bernie and I had a spirited contest of ideas, which was invigorating, but I nonetheless found campaigning against him to be profoundly frustrating. He didn’t seem to mind if his math didn’t add up or if his plans had no prayer of passing Congress and becoming law... No matter how bold and progressive my policy proposals were — and they were significantly bolder and more progressive than anything President Obama or I had proposed in 2008 — Bernie would come out with something even bigger, loftier, and leftier, regardless of whether it was realistic or not. That left me to play the unenviable role of spoilsport schoolmarm, pointing out that there was no way Bernie could keep his promises or deliver real results.
Jake Sullivan, my top policy advisor, told me it reminded him of a scene from the 1998 movie There’s Something About Mary. A deranged hitchhiker says he’s come up with a brilliant plan. Instead of the famous “eight-minute abs” exercise routine, he’s going to market “seven-minute abs.” It’s the same, just quicker. Then the driver, played by Ben Stiller, says, “Well, why not six-minute abs?” That’s what it was like in policy debates with Bernie. We would propose a bold infrastructure investment plan or an ambitious new apprenticeship program for young people, and then Bernie would announce basically the same thing, but bigger. On issue after issue, it was like he kept proposing four-minute abs, or even no-minute abs. Magic abs!
Clinton goes on to offer the somewhat more generous explanation that Sanders viewed policy as “a tool for mobilization” rather than “a road map for governing.” She also says he “deserves credit for understanding the political power of big, bold ideas,” and praises him for coming together with her to work on a college affordability plan and “the most progressive Democratic platform in memory.”
Clinton says Sanders’s plan to win over working-class white voters is bad, and reminds readers that he’s not actually a Democrat
Then, in what may be Clinton’s most straightforward entry into the Democratic Party’s debate over its future, she expresses some serious doubt about one electoral theory popular among Sanders and the left — that Democrats can win back working-class white voters by becoming economic populists. She writes:
Some supporters of Bernie Sanders have argued that if I had veered further left and run a more populist campaign we would have done better in the Rust Belt. I don’t believe it. Russ Feingold ran a passionately populist campaign for Senate in Wisconsin and lost by much more than I did, while a champion of free trade, Senator Rob Portman, outperformed Trump in Ohio. Scott Walker, the right-wing Governor of Wisconsin, has won elections there by busting unions and catering to the resentments of conservative rural voters, not by denouncing trade deals and corporations.
After a section in which Clinton describes how some West Virginia Trump supporters welcomed coal CEO Don Blankenship, who had been convicted of violating mine safety standards, to a protest against her, she continues in this vein:
Some on the left, including Bernie Sanders, argue that working-class whites have turned away from Democrats because the party became beholden to Wall Street donors and lost touch with its populist roots. It’s hard to believe that voters who embrace Don Blankenship are looking for progressive economics.
After all, by nearly every measure, the Democratic Party has moved to the left over the past fifteen years, not to the right. Mitt Romney was certainly not more populist than Barack Obama when he demolished him in West Virginia. And Republicans are unabashedly allied with powerful corporate interests, including the coal companies trying to take away health care and pensions from retired miners. Yet they keep winning elections.
Now, Clinton could merely be expressing her opinion here. She could be trying to rebut the “Bernie would’ve won” argument. Or she could be staking out her position in a debate over the Democratic Party’s future that she intends to participate in.
Whatever the case, she also makes sure to remind her readers of one point: that, while Bernie Sanders might have some good ideas, he technically isn’t a Democrat at all:
Yet, when Democrat's are polled the early race has em ranked like this;
Bernie Sanders
Lizzy Warren
Joe Biden
Economically, financially and omg emotionally broke and broken HB.
What is the exact name\website of your union carpenters pension?
You know the one that is in as good as shape as your old liver.
London under attack again by the freaking murdering towel heads.
Blogger KD said...
London under attack again by the freaking murdering towel heads.
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excuse me???
there is no known motive for the attack and it may take YEARS to determine a motive.
couple that with the ever increasing Amish community in london...
a community, i might add, that has created their own "no go zones" as london bobbies are deathly afraid of the horrors stepping in horse shit.
we cannot automatically assume that when these attacks occur that it is the work of moose limbs. while that is the most logical group to suspect, as 0linsky would say: "that's not who we are" and "the arc of history bends towards mecca."
any decent human being always puts political correctness before logic.
i suggest you get with the program and quickly, lest anti-fart darken your doorway and teach you a proper lesson in exactly what free speech is really "free" (think allowed).
CH, take out the trash on the Legacy blog, you can see why.
rrb has been trashing the blog for years with his hate filled behavior. Making this as a personal attack, contrary to the written word by the host of the "Coldheartedtruth" blog. This is a prime example of why he should never have posting rights on the blog hosted by a serious and popular blogger. Perhaps one day the host actually thinks about the fact that trash like this is contradictory to his goals.
I posted a serious post on the current political spectrum. But his trash is contradictory to the written word of our esteemed host.
Blogger KD said...
Economically, financially and omg emotionally broke and broken HB.
What is the exact name\website of your union carpenters pension?
You know the one that is in as good as shape as your old liver.
September 15, 2017 at 3:53 AM. Yes, 3:53 AM.
1: 100% incorrect.
2: Google
3: The polycystic liver disease organ was of course, cremated.
Obsession with me is a sign of serious mental health issues.
Then Roger your obsession with you, makes you batshit crazy
It is always good to get you to ""blink":.
HB you are "all hat, no cattle".
Every single time I call you out on your bs you fold, what a CA sissy.
Cali, all I do is talk on his subject, quote him and make her weep in shame.
Economically, financially and emotionally broke and broken.
Here my defined be if it comes from KP & F.
Web page : Kpers.org
KPERS is the umbrella Organization.
Because I did not pay into SS or Medicare for 32 years, I placed that money into a 457b, the organization is called ICMA-RC,
Web page : ICMA.or
Founded in 1972 for public employees that want to save for their retirement , sheltered with pre-tax dollars.
"I posted a serious post on the current political spectrum. But his trash is contradictory to the written word of our esteemed host."
Thankfully you can't pollute THIS blog with your selfies.
Jesus Christ, give your self-admiration a friggin rest.
No real-man loves himself anywhere the near what broken alky does.
I'm curious about something. Do you guys watch broadcast news, I guess it's cable news nowadays? I have literally not watched a news show in decades - in fact my most recent memory of one is Ted Koppel on the Iranian Hostage Crisis.
He was initially so certain that Carter would quickly negotiate the hostage release ... the background graphic was "Day 404", and the so-serious stupidity it turned me off the news for good.
I'm wondering if that may in part account for our respective divergence of perspectives on most things.
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/09/14/poll-mexicans-view-of-the-us-collapses-in-trump-era/23209459/
Trump's unpopularity in Mexico is astronomical. Be sure to watch the video of this pompous, vainglorious rectum hole some of you still support as a worthy president. History will sure have fun with this.
KD said...
No real-man loves himself anywhere the near" how kd fellates trump.....
WP, I rarely watch the news. Something big needs to be happening, like Trump win over The Excuse.
Hurricanes
If I want great, spot on news coverage I read HB, Jamrs, that get their news from Ms America And Espn.
Trump Still Has No Plans for a Border Wall
“President Trump made clear Thursday he is determined to get his wall. But his demands, and occasional threats to shut down the government over funding, belie the stark reality facing his administration: Nine months into his presidency, there is no plan for constructing the kind of wall the president promised his voters for two years,” NBC News reports.
“A study Trump ordered in January on how to fully secure the border has not been completed. His transition team focused on immigration enforcement plans with greater chances of success. Proposed wall prototypes — which officials had hoped to deploy this summer — are months behind schedule. Construction firms have stayed away amid the prospect of political retaliation. And new NBC News polling suggests only lukewarm support for a wall the president today said would happen.”
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He will go down in history as the biggest BSer of all presidents.
Blogger KD said...
Because I did not pay into SS or Medicare for 32 years,
WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE NO LIFE LINE....in the event of catastrophic illness which you claim to be immune from Sure like you never use credit....LOLOLOLOL
I hate hypocrisy as practiced by the right......
But with Democratic senators now refusing to agree to hearings for two of President Trump’s nominees to the federal appeals courts, Mr. McConnell told The Times that the blue slip “ought to simply be a notification of how you’re going to vote, not the opportunity to blackball.”
What a difference a few years make.
Back in 2009, Mr. McConnell and the entire Republican Senate caucus — then in the minority — implored President Barack Obama to honor all blue slips. The appointment of federal judges is a “shared constitutional responsibility,” the Republicans said, warning Mr. Obama that “if we are not consulted on, and approve of, a nominee from our states,” the senators intended to prevent that nominee from getting a hearing. They expected the blue-slip policy “to be observed, even-handedly and regardless of party affiliation.”
MU the college that allowed radical leftist to riot on caps and destroy state property and has that nut bitch professor are being properly rewarded.
The parents that pay the bills have removed their money and young adults from that University.
Result a cliff drop in enrollment and firing of Staff.
"A great American patriot named James"
No such person exists.
Pedophile James.
"A great American Parrot" jane
We are still waiting for Loretta to prove she was not lying
when she said at 12:34 PM yesterday that I had been fired from a church.
AS I POSTED YESTERDAY AT 1:28 pm
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ME? Fired from a church? James, laughing, said...
LOL Loretta will now prove that she is lying
by being unable to give us the name, address,
and telephone number of a single church from
which I have ever been fired.
September 14, 2017 at 1:28 PM .
Back in 2009, Mr. McConnell and the entire Republican Senate caucus — then in the minority — implored President Barack Obama to honor all blue slips. The appointment of federal judges is a “shared constitutional responsibility,” the Republicans said, warning Mr. Obama that “if we are not consulted on, and approve of, a nominee from our states,” the senators intended to prevent that nominee from getting a hearing. They expected the blue-slip policy “to be observed, even-handedly and regardless of party affiliation.”
How quickly our esteemed host forgets of his parties legendary hypocrisy!!!!!
We are still waiting for Loretta to prove she was not lying
Or provide her real name.....LOL
Bellflower Christian Church
LOL
Bellflower Christian Church,
110 W. Melvin St.
P.O. Box 193
Bellflower Illinois 61724
Be sure to write them ad ask them when they "fired"
the Rev. James M. Boswell.
You will get yet another proof she lied.
I have Loretta's real name and everything else but I never will let that loose. She accidentally let it be visible. I keep it on my desktop, if she slanders James, to the point he would want to sue here for deformation of character, he will get the name and address.
How about making that available to me
the next time she calls me a pedophile, Roger?
;-)
"I have Loretta's real name and everything else but I never will let that loose. She accidentally let it be visible. I keep it on my desktop, if she slanders James, to the point he would want to sue here for deformation of character, he will get the name and address."
Post what you THINK you have.
10:16 AM
Good move, blog administrator. The ACLU might have been interested in taking note of the fact that my real name and the name of a church that I once served have been mentioned here, and the administrator could perhaps be held responsible for calumny, libel, slander, etc.
Roger, she gives you permission to post her identity here.
HB, ran off.
Oh goodie, jane is back nut hugging the ACLU, you posted your own data and that of that so calen church.
james said "The ACLU might have been interested in taking note of the fact that my real name and the name of a church that I once served have been mentioned here"
Well since you yourself have posted that name and church you may have a very strong case if you plead stupidity. Without a doubt that would be the best and strongest argument you have ever brought here.
ROFLMFAO idiot !!!!!
No, you see it was "Loretta" and she alone who first put my actual name connected to the name of that church on this blog and has done so numerous times since, though she lies about that too.
Jane, I see the posts, they are yours.
Idiot, unless you are now saying those above are not yours. Is that you case?
"Well since you yourself have posted that name and church you may have a very strong case if you plead stupidity. Without a doubt that would be the best and strongest argument you have ever brought here."
He also brought this to the blog...
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/opinion/mailbag/republicans-should-have-been-wiser/article_38c7a6ae-6c98-571b-a616-903491442f72.html
"Rev Jim Boswell
Jan 28, 2015 12:50pm
No, I do not list myself as "from" Bellflower, but rather as the pastor serving Bellflower Christian Church, which I am. I live in Normal, and always have since my wife and I moved here in 1992, living in the same house and never having spent a night in Saybrook or Bellflower. If you want to check on whether I am a pastor in good standing with the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) in Illinois and Wisconsin, you can telephone our regional office by that name. It is located in Bloomington.
You are welcome to come to the Bellflower Christian Church. We worship Sundays at 10:00AM in this season. Adult Sunday School at 9:00.
The only reason I sign "Rev" Jim Boswell rather than simply Jim Boswell in my Letters to the Editor is -- as I have previously explained -- because there is (or was?) another Jim Boswell, a teacher, living in Normal, and I do not want him to have to bear any "onus" that may come to me. I would personally prefer putting simply "Jim Boswell," as the separation of church and state is a cardinal emphasis of mine.
Go back and read again, and you will see that my "long winded" FROM THE PULPIT article was directed to Christians, not Muslims. Notice how it begins and how it ends.
As for who is a "false prophet," one thing is clear. You seem to have considerable difficulty sticking to simple facts and simple truths."
Blogger Roger Amick said...
CH, take out the trash on the Legacy blog, you can see why.
rrb has been trashing the blog for years with his hate filled behavior. Making this as a personal attack, contrary to the written word by the host of the "Coldheartedtruth" blog. This is a prime example of why he should never have posting rights on the blog hosted by a serious and popular blogger. Perhaps one day the host actually thinks about the fact that trash like this is contradictory to his goals.
I posted a serious post on the current political spectrum. But his trash is contradictory to the written word of our esteemed host.
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alky,
thank you for your inquiry.
it appears that with regards to moi, you have some anger issues. issues that could be unduly stressful and could hinder your ongoing recovery from the installation of your 2nd hand liver.
in an effort to assist you with this malady, and because i care, i really do, might i suggest you take up what has come to be known as "nostril yoga." this is a therapy that has recently been reported to have helped hillary clinton with her (BOOM) devastating loss (BY A LANDSLIDE!!!11!) to donald trump.
here's a how-to video where hillary herself describes the practice:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/14/health/hillary-clinton-alternate-nostril-breathing/index.html
just be careful of how you close off each nostril, especially in public, lest someone see you and think you're picking the ol' snot locker digging deep for a bat in the cave.
good luck and peace be upon you alky,
rrb
"here's a how-to video where hillary herself describes the practice:"
LOL.
Poor thing has lost her damn mind.
Poor thing has lost her damn mind.
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her and the alky are kindred souls.
James...
I checked with the ACLU. They say the only person who warrants any protection from libel is me. But only if I already know the names of the people who have the audacity to undermine my authoritative mind with opinions that do not conform. You know, like James Boswell, or Roger Amick.
According to the ACLU... the rest of you are shit out of luck.
Good move, blog administrator. The ACLU might have been interested in taking note of the fact that my real name and the name of a church that I once served have been mentioned here, and the administrator could perhaps be held responsible for calumny, libel, slander, etc.
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yeah pederast, i'm sure that you're insignificant bullshit amounts to a pimple on a gnat's ass as far as the ACLU is concerned.
Ette,mocking little not-a-Rev, is priceless, just post her own words.
Simple fact: I have never been fired from any church.
If I had been, that would be easy to prove.
She cannot prove it. She lied.
Nor am I a pedophile. If she or Rat really believed that,
they should take action to have me put away. They do not,
because they both know they are lying. It is just their
type of vicious lying propaganda which they use all the time.
Ch, tell us who you talked to at the ACLU. Otherwise, I will
call that a lie too.
In the febble old confused mind, everyone is a liar, but Jane.
Jane, when you have to say the following "I am not a pedophile".
Other have beaten you down.
A piece of advice, grow up, grow a pair, and stop sniffling.
Fact is your not a "Rev."
No, just people who cannot back up what they say.
The way you could not back up your claim never to
have called M. Obama a cheap Chicago W. You repeatedly
lied about that. until Opie showed everyone the post in
which you said it, liar.
Of course you were fired.
The elders finally had it with you, just like I said.
Another comment from the opinion piece, lol.
"Rev Jim a wannabe Michael Phleger, except he has not a church, congregation, nor hood to represent. Rev. Jim I think someone needs to remind you to look at the November election results and see how many American voters said no more to Obamas' policies and those in government who supported them. Anytime a raging liberal offers advice to republicans, it is always in bad faith and a heavy price tag. Shalom Rev.Jim"
"Maybe this letter is some sort of really bad inside-joke made in poor taste that I am as a Republican am not meant to get. But I am not accustomed to having it asserted that folks are to be treated at all differently- especially based on race- and especially by a "pastor". I accept that the joke might well be over my head intellectually. But frankly, if that's not it- my not "getting it" seems to fall squarely on very poor delivery by the letter-writer then."
"Chef, do you not remember this mans' short lived column in the Pantagraph titled, "From The Pulpit?" He was residing in Saybrook at that time but for some reason relocated to Normal and is now not directly affiliated with one particular church. His liberal views are known so some in the community but as I stated he is hoping to be much more of a community organizer such as Pfleger or Wright."
"All I can say is, OMG... Another bit of "wisdom" from Rev. Jim.... Seriously, Lord help us!"
No fans there either, LOL.
Damn Ette, you kicked all the shit out of not-a-Rev. Jane, his eyes were brown, now they are blue.
Damn Ette, you kicked all the shit out of not-a-Rev. Jane, his eyes were brown, now they are blue.
Nope, his perversion is deep with that sissy beta boy. He was perving on M s. American, a woman that could be his grand-daughter.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
CH, take out the trash on the Legacy blog, you can see why.
rrb has been trashing the blog for years with his hate filled behavior. Making this as a personal attack, contrary to the written word by the host of the "Coldheartedtruth" blog. This is a prime example of why he should never have posting rights on the blog hosted by a serious and popular blogger. Perhaps one day the host actually thinks about the fact that trash like this is contradictory to his goals.
I posted a serious post on the current political spectrum. But his trash is contradictory to the written word of our esteemed host.
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Blogger Roger Amick said...
CH, take out the trash on the Legacy blog, you can see why.
rrb has been trashing the blog for years with his hate filled behavior. Making this as a personal attack, contrary to the written word by the host of the "Coldheartedtruth" blog. This is a prime example of why he should never have posting rights on the blog hosted by a serious and popular blogger. Perhaps one day the host actually thinks about the fact that trash like this is contradictory to his goals.
I posted a serious post on the current political spectrum. But his trash is contradictory to the written word of our esteemed host.
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Blogger Roger Amick said...
CH, take out the trash on the Legacy blog, you can see why.
rrb has been trashing the blog for years with his hate filled behavior. Making this as a personal attack, contrary to the written word by the host of the "Coldheartedtruth" blog. This is a prime example of why he should never have posting rights on the blog hosted by a serious and popular blogger. Perhaps one day the host actually thinks about the fact that trash like this is contradictory to his goals.
I posted a serious post on the current political spectrum. But his trash is contradictory to the written word of our esteemed host.
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Blogger Roger Amick said...
CH, take out the trash on the Legacy blog, you can see why.
rrb has been trashing the blog for years with his hate filled behavior. Making this as a personal attack, contrary to the written word by the host of the "Coldheartedtruth" blog. This is a prime example of why he should never have posting rights on the blog hosted by a serious and popular blogger. Perhaps one day the host actually thinks about the fact that trash like this is contradictory to his goals.
I posted a serious post on the current political spectrum. But his trash is contradictory to the written word of our esteemed host.
_______________________________________
Blogger Roger Amick said...
CH, take out the trash on the Legacy blog, you can see why.
rrb has been trashing the blog for years with his hate filled behavior. Making this as a personal attack, contrary to the written word by the host of the "Coldheartedtruth" blog. This is a prime example of why he should never have posting rights on the blog hosted by a serious and popular blogger. Perhaps one day the host actually thinks about the fact that trash like this is contradictory to his goals.
I posted a serious post on the current political spectrum. But his trash is contradictory to the written word of our esteemed host.
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Loretta aka Savagetta quoted above from an opoinion column that appeared in the Pantagraph and that the vast majority of Pantagraph readers never read. Right wing kooks frequently post on it and much of the time I paid them no attention. No one in my church either read them or ever commented on them to me. Nor did anyone in my church ever object to anything I wrote in Letters to the Editor or From the Pulpit (to which I still contribute).
One right wing kook guy tried to claim that I was not really at Bellflower, so I invited him to church. Of course the coward never showed up, just as none of you cowards ever do.
Blogger Loretta said...
Of course you were fired.
The elders finally had it with you, just like I said.
September 15, 2017 at 4:27 PM
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REV. JAMES SAYS
Oh yeah?
Poor hate filled Loretta. As so often is the case here, she puts herself out on a limb and then saws it off. See the Terrorist thread at the top.
James7:41 PM
Tall Malia is HOT. And Sasha's getting there.
http://coldheartedtruthlegacy.blogspot.kr/2016/03/a-historically-correct-comparison.html?m=1
LORETTA said...
Of course you were fired.
The elders finally had it with you, just like I said.
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REV. JAMES said,
Oh yeah?
The current elders at Bellflower Christian church are:
Joe Hubbard, Gary Harper, Kevin Lawrence, Phil Lawrence.
The elders Emeritus are Duane Anderson and John Wyatt.
All of them served while I was there except for Kevin who was
then a deacon and later became an elder and now a lay minister.
(The story of that young man's life is wonderful, a "miracle" as
his father Phil puts it.)
All of them will tell you that I was not fired from Bellflower Christian Church. They will also tell you that about a year after
I left, I with my wife were invited back along with other past pastors where I participated in and spoke at the celebration of their 125 year anniversary.
Poor Loretta aka Savagetta. She is so full of hatred that she
puts herself out on another limb and then saws it off. That's
what happens when you so blatantly lie, as she has again and
again and again. (It gives my heart simple joy to point this out.)
"Clinton says Sanders’s plan to win over working-class white voters is bad, and reminds readers that he’s not actually a Democrat"
At least Sanders is an honest man.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
CH, take out the trash on the Legacy blog, you can see why.
rrb has been trashing the blog for years with his hate filled behavior. Making this as a personal attack, contrary to the written word by the host of the "Coldheartedtruth" blog. This is a prime example of why he should never have posting rights on the blog hosted by a serious and popular blogger. Perhaps one day the host actually thinks about the fact that trash like this is contradictory to his goals.
I posted a serious post on the current political spectrum. But his trash is contradictory to the written word of our esteemed host.
alky,
thank you for your inquiry.
it appears that with regards to moi, you have some anger issues. issues that could be unduly stressful and could hinder your ongoing recovery from the installation of your 2nd hand liver.
in an effort to assist you with this malady, and because i care, i really do, might i suggest you take up what has come to be known as "nostril yoga." this is a therapy that has recently been reported to have helped hillary clinton with her (BOOM) devastating loss (BY A LANDSLIDE!!!11!) to donald trump.
here's a how-to video where hillary herself describes the practice:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/14/health/hillary-clinton-alternate-nostril-breathing/index.html
just be careful of how you close off each nostril, especially in public, lest someone see you and think you're picking the ol' snot locker, digging deep for a bat in the cave.
good luck and peace be upon you alky,
rrb
CHICAGO (AP) — Attorney General Jeff Sessions can’t follow through — at least for now — with his threat to withhold public safety grant money to Chicago and other so-called sanctuary cities for refusing to impose new tough immigration policies, a judge ruled Friday in a legal defeat for the Trump administration.
In what is at least a temporary victory for cities that have defied Sessions, U.S. District Judge Harry Leinenweber ruled that the Justice Department could not impose the requirements.
AP Via TPM
For now, including Los Angeles and the state of California, if the Republicans find a way to stop the compromise that "Chuck and Nancy" have worked out a deal, to extend amnesty to the Dreamers. The President has wobbled back and forth, front and back on this issue, but the bottom line is he knows that we are not going to load busses of young adults into busses and ship them across the border to Mexico and beyond.
He is trying to link this to his wall, but just the other day, he said we are doing "renovations" to the existing wall, something that both the Bush and Obama administrations did before. And we all know that Mexico is not going to pay for the wall, if it's built.
There are enough Republicans in both houses, and the Democrats can find a way to extend amnesty, but the biggest problem for both sides, is a path towards citizenship. The Democrats want to follow the path set by Ronald Reagan who did give a path to several million illegal immigrants. The Republicans, as usual, want to make it impossible for them to become citizens, because the majority of them will vote for Democrats, and the Republicans have a long history of attempting to limit the numbers of Americans who vote for Democrats, from voting. Typical anti-democracy beliefs. Full turnout always favors the Democrats.
Bottom line, Trump can get his wall, at least in some face saving fashion, if he opens the path for eventual citizenship for the Dreamers. We shall see.
https://coldheartedtruthlegacy.blogspot.com/2017/09/sanctuary-cities-are-safe-for-dreamers.html
oh hey alky.
how's your shitpile of a life going today?
did you try the nostril yoga?
FYI rrb,
My recovery is incredibly successful. You make a mistake when you assume that I have explosive public behavior, you are 100% incorrect. The weight lost associated with the surgery, and the improvement in my complexion, I have noticed a couple things that I find interesting. In general, I have a happy face, I smile easily and people look and listen, more than I can believe. Women especially, give me second or third look, something I never had before. Good looks run n the family, and now that i'm no longer over weight, tall and slender, with silver white hair, although partially bald.
My kidney doctor called and said that my kidney function is at full capacity, I no longer need to take Lasix, and don't need another appointment, for six months, unless something goes wrong. I stick to the diet, keep active, go to the gyn, and expose you as a hate filled loser, for my amusement..
that's awesome, alky. i'm glad to hear that you've made the most incredible recovery in the history of recoveries, and that women are throwing themselves at you (you must wear that "achmed the dead terrorist" look very well). i would not be surprised if the hospital names an entire wing after you. i mean, medical miracles like yours don't come along every day. this, plus being the star orator of the local "drunks r us" squad is an accomplishment that, in the annals of accomplishments, must rank right up there with clearing a plugged up toilet on the first try, or that feeling you get when you put on a fresh set of "depends."
hey, if you're lucky you might live to see the LA olympics in 2028, and you might even have most of your mortgage paid off by then.
you live a life us mere mortals can only dream about, alky.
LORETTA said...
Of course you were fired.
The elders finally had it with you, just like I said.
__________________
REV. JAMES said,
Oh yeah?
The current elders at Bellflower Christian church are:
Dan Hensley, Gary Harper, Joe Hubbard, Kevin Lawrence, and Phil Lawrence.
The Elders Emeritus are Duane Anderson and John Wyatt.
All of them served while I was there except for Kevin who was
then a deacon and later became an elder and now a lay minister.
(The story of that young man's life is wonderful, a "miracle" as
his father Phil puts it.)
All of them will tell you that I was not fired from Bellflower
Christian Church. They will also tell you that about a year after
I left, I with my wife was invited back along with other past
pastors where I participated in and spoke at their celebration of
their 125th year anniversary. Our Regional Minister was present.
Poor Loretta aka Savagetta. She is so full of hatred that she
puts herself out on another limb and then saws it off. That's
what happens when you so blatantly lie, as she has again and
again and again.
(It gives my heart simple but profound joy to point this out.)
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ADDENDUM:
Bellflower Christian Church,
110 W. Melvin St.
P.O. Box 193
Bellflower Illinois 61724
Be sure to write them ad ask them when they "fired"
the Rev. James M. Boswell.
They will have a good laugh and you will get yet another
proof that she lies.
And lies. And lies. And lies. :-)
and lies and lies and lies and....
etc., etc., etc....
etc., etc. etc.
HELL WILL HAVE A PASTOR
keep up the good work
ROFLMFAO !!!
ah still yet another lie?
some great theologians have said that those
who are most sure of others' damnation and not their own,
may be most at risk
No Lie, just looking at the facts and your actions
But you appear to be taking yourself very seriously so if you are right you must be at great risk
ROFLMFAO !!!
Oh that was hilarious.
I think the truth is that yYou and Lying Loretta don't believe in God or Hell or any of that (she has said as much, I have her posts), so you think you can say anything and lie any lie and suffer no consequences.
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