Friday, December 8, 2017

Everything the Democrats do is about bringing down Trump

Does that sound paranoid? 

So Al Franken announced that he would be (sometime in the not so well defined future)  resigning his seat in the Senate. About a hundred million Democrats collectively offered the opinion that if Franken goes, then by all accounts Trump should go too. The facts that the Franken allegations were not aired prior to his elections, and that many of the allegations took place while he was an actual Senator seems lost on these millions of Democrats. But TDS has a tendency to do that to people.

Of course, wasn't that the play here all along? If Democrats could get a couple of their own to fall on the proverbial sword, then the Party could claim the "higher moral ground" and start to selectively attack the Republicans, taking dead aim at the President. Who cares if they once supported a President accused of rape, settled a sexual harassment claim while in office, and who admitted receiving sexual favors from a White House intern who was half his age. That was then. This is now. Democrats have changed, unless you consider they still support Senator Menendez in New Jersey (or at least until the Democratic Governor takes office - then all bets are off).

Here is the reality. There was no Russia/Trump collusion. Only the really off center tin foil hat wearing conspiracy nuts still believe that special counsel is going to uncover some nefarious plot to steal the election. The Special Counsel investigation hacks are now leaking post election transition team actions and making suggestions about which conversations might be covered up, in order to cover up the actual cover up of a crime that nobody suggests can be proven. The original hope of Robert Mueller bringing down some widespread felony conspiracy has been replaced by non-related charges and process crimes, and the hope that more unrelated charges and/or process crimes might follow; with the ultimate goal of finding something that could allow Mueller to recommend that the President "obstructed justice".

But the problem with trying to prove that a President obstructed Justice is the very fact that it's more a philosophical argument than a matter of criminal investigation.  Considering how many experts believe that Presidential authority takes precedent over someone's opinion as to the President's motive, makes it fairly necessary that Mueller can prove bad intent. Moreover, he needs to prove it to the degree that it would convince partisan Republicans. The chances that Mueller can find some smoking gun evidence that proves corrupt or criminal intent to that degree is probably not much better than was his chances of finding the smoking gun evidence of collusion.

While we may not be quite at the point where your rank and file Democrats and Democratic supporters are willing to accept this, that day is probably not too far off into the future. What we do know, is that even if the Mueller probe comes up short on all accounts, that it will not stop the liberal pursuit of undoing the 2016 election and bringing down Donald Trump.

Russian Collusion? Nope. Obstruction of Justice? Nope.
Democrats need something new (or will fairly shortly here).

Why not the sexual harassment allegations that were brought up (unsuccessfully) during the election? Certainly those allegations are prime for reconsideration? Especially after a couple of high profile Democrats have been brought down. What's good for the goose and all that. Does anyone not believe that the real reason to push Franken and Conyers out is to create leverage to go after Trump?

46 comments:

Loretta said...

"that it will not stop the liberal pursuit of undoing the 2016 election and bringing down Donald Trump."

By ANY means necessary.

They prefer a hearse.

CNN should be tried for sedition.

Anonymous said...

Ette:

""The thought of a teenager body probably gets you excited without Viagra."

WOW.

No healthy mind writes something like that...

Sounds like something the pedo would say. " Ette

HB had to run from this, good, what a sicko.

Anonymous said...

President Trump will continue to grow the US Economy, thru tax cuts and being pro-business, we have seen the results of his agenda on the US Economy.

Better numbers then Obama/Hillary/Bernie/Warren could dream of.

wphamilton said...

Does anyone not believe that the real reason to push Franken and Conyers out is to create leverage to go after Trump?

Why can't the reason be just what it appears to be? Franken and Conyers are no longer viable in the Democratic Party after those transgressions have come to light.

It doesn't create any leverage against Trump, and wouldn't be the reason even if it did. Not everything that happens in Congress is about Trump.


Why not the sexual harassment allegations that were brought up (unsuccessfully) during the election? Certainly those allegations are prime for reconsideration?

Allegations brought up during elections are taken with a grain of salt. Ask any Moore supporter in Alabama if you doubt it. Because they are discounted, they are generally not as credible beyond the election either, not as much as new allegations. It may not represent critical thought, but that's politics. So I seriously doubt that Democrats are sacrificing their own just for a dubious strategy of attacking a Republican. They'd rather attack the entire party based on Republican support of Moore's and Trump's history of sexual assault.

Commonsense said...

Why can't the reason be just what it appears to be? Franken and Conyers are no longer viable in the Democratic Party after those transgressions have come to light.

Because the Democrats are cynical pigs, see Bill Clinton, John Kennedy, Ted Kennedy et AL.

They were certainly "viable" after their transgressions came to light.

Democrats are only moral when they want to fashion a political weapon to beat their opponents' head over.

Myballs said...

Moore's accusers just admitted forging some of the yearbook.

40 year old accusations and falsified evidence. That is why Moore continues to lead.

Anonymous said...

That is just un fuck believable.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The Republican party is rotting away because of Donald Trump. It's not the Democrats, it is the disease that occupies the oval office of the President of The United States.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156052200518896&id=31732483895

Myballs said...

Actually it is the dem party rotting away. Evidence the one thousand seats lost. The Obama/clinton corruption is the very reason we now have trump.

And vtw, trump spent most of his adult life as a nyc democrat. Lol

Anonymous said...



Blogger Roger Amick said...

The Republican party is rotting away because of Donald Trump. It's not the Democrats, it is the disease that occupies the oval office of the President of The United States.
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so how many years will the GOP be wandering through the wilderness THIS TIME, alky???






C.H. Truth said...

WP...

Franken himself made reference to the allegations against Trump in his resignation speech. Sanders stated that Trump should follow Franken's lead. The NY Times ran an Ed-Op on the subject this morning. The late night idiots took their shots at the situation. A new petition to "investigate" Trump was waged by some of your left leaning blog sites.

It's already a reality, whether you accept it or not. The only question is whether or not the usual suspects just bitch and moan about it, or actually attempt to make some tangible attempt to do something politically.


We'll see what happens after the Mueller probe fades away into memory. But if it's not the sexual assault allegations, it will be something.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The victim is not the President, is the Republican party. His first step into consideration in the Republican party candidates with his birther statement. It was a blatant attempt to capture the small but consequential racist section of the Republican party. The Republican establishment shrugged their shoulders and said (he's just a reality show star). But if they had made it clear that this was not acceptable, they just ignored him.

After he had rode down the stairway to announce his candidacy for the President as a Republican, they should have made it clear that his behavior and beliefs were not acceptable. They didn't say anything about it.

They accepted a narcissistic sexual harasser and compulsive liar. He was and remains deeply ignorant on policies and the consequences of the law.

No collusion is an opinion. They are like assholes, everyone has one. Every single day, more lies are exposed. You have accepted the fact that he's a compulsive liar. It's not just Fake News. Your acceptance of that political lie has consequences for your credibility. You and the Republicans have accepted beliefs and policies that if were proposed by a Democratic President, the impeachment hearings would already be underway. He is a serial sexual harassment jerk, that were much more aggressive than your Senator.

Your acceptance of Moore as a Senator is one more sign, that the President is destroying the Republican party, and the Democrats don't have a damn thing to do with the destruction of the President and the Republican party. The man who is destroying the President sits in the Oval Office. And he's dragging you into the swamp with him.

Anonymous said...



that's quite the screed there, alky.

you should probably give credit to the turd burglar, occupy, fuckstick who originally posted it on fakebook, but hey, whatever.

so far i have an economy that continues to rocket, i have a staunch conservative in the USSC, i have 0linsky's shitpile of a legacy in fucking tatters, and it took a fake news douche nozzle like brian ross to throw sand in the gears of the stock market, and that was only very briefly.

face it pal, never in my lifetime have so many democrats been on the outside looking in. and so much so that 0linsky himself has been reduced to violating godwin's law by comparing trump to hitler.


btw, did you hear that one of moore's accusers admitted to forging the yearbook?

another phony narrative turns to shit.




Anonymous said...



Democrats need something new (or will fairly shortly here).
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wait for it...

wait for it...

wait for it...



HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!11!


Washington (CNN)Candidate Donald Trump, his son Donald Trump Jr. and others in the Trump Organization received an email in September 2016 offering a decryption key and website address for hacked WikiLeaks documents, according to an email provided to congressional investigators.

The September 4 email was sent during the final stretch of the 2016 presidential race -- on the same day that Trump Jr. first tweeted about WikiLeaks and Clinton.
"WIKILEAKS: Hillary Clinton Sent THOUSANDS of Classified Cables Marked "(C)" for Confidential," he tweeted, sharing a story from the Gateway Pundit, a conservative, pro-Trump website.

The email came two months after the hacked emails of the Democratic National Committee were made public and one month before WikiLeaks began leaking the contents of Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta's hacked emails. It arrived less than three weeks before WikiLeaks itself messaged Trump Jr. and began an exchange of direct messages on Twitter.

Trump Jr. told investigators he had no recollection of the September email.
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Congressional investigators are trying to ascertain whether the individual who sent the September email is legitimate and whether it shows additional efforts by WikiLeaks to connect with Trump's son and others on the Trump campaign. The email also indicated that the Trump campaign could access records from former Secretary of State Colin Powell, whose hacked emails were made public by a Russian front group 10 days later.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/08/politics/email-effort-give-trump-campaign-wikileaks-documents/index.html




yeah! you've got him this time alky!!!



caliphate4vr said...

Snowmageddon in the ATL

Anonymous said...

Snowmageddon in the ATL
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lemme guess...

you fuckers got an inch. maybe two.

C.H. Truth said...

Rat -

I got that same email... right after the one offering to double the size of my penis and right before an African Prince offered to stash millions into my bank account!

Anonymous said...

I went to AIT at Fort McClellan, Alabama. I can tell, even the foe cast of snow put that base in shut down.

Being originally from Michigan, I was thinking, WTF.

Anonymous said...

Lol, careful Halfbaked believes.

Anonymous said...

DAMN HB..... YOUR RANT IS STOLEN, YOU WANT TO ADMIT OT, OR DO I OUT YOU?

Anonymous said...

Your acceptance of Moore as a Senator is one more sign, that the President is destroying the Republican party, and the Democrats don't have a damn thing to do with the destruction of the President and the Republican party.
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two, things, alky.

first, of, all, you, use, too, many, commas.


second... if this is what it looks like when the GOP is destroyed, then damn, i hope whoever the fuck is responsible keeps it up.



caliphate4vr said...

Maybe an inch and roads are fine but traffic is brutal. Grocery store shelves look like Venezuela

We are all going to die!!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous caliphate4vr said...
Maybe an inch and roads are fine but traffic is brutal. Grocery store shelves look like Venezuela

We are all going to die!!
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you only need two things to make it through a snowstorm - gasoline and beer.

Anonymous said...

I got that same email... right after the one offering to double the size of my penis and right before an African Prince offered to stash millions into my bank account!
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the alky got an email offering to double the size of his liver...

he replied and the rest is history.

Commonsense said...

Snowmageddon in the ATL

To far north for me. I remember that it was the ice, rather than the snow that was a real problem.

caliphate4vr said...

Now sleet coming down

2.5 hours to go 18 miles

Anonymous said...

Holy shit. Be careful of the other guy.

C.H. Truth said...

According to WaPo (and other sources) who actually have the email in question the CNN story was not accurate.

Apparently the email in question provided everyone with an opportunity to see the bulk of wiki-leaks information that had already been released. The email offered that 678MBs of archives could be opened if you just clicked on the link and used the decryption key offered in the email.

10-1 says the link took you to a porn site!



C.H. Truth said...

Now sleet coming down - 2.5 hours to go 18 miles

Sleet? Really? I guess...

But I am from Minnesota. Sleet might slow down traffic by about 5 MPH... (except the pickup trucks, that will pass you going 80 no matter what the weather).

Now, when the snow is coming down so hard that it's almost impossible to distinguish road from off road, and you are relying on a combination of your GPS map and the sound your car makes when it hits the shoulder... then things will slow down a bit.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...
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C.H. Truth said...

I wrote ever since word racist rodent bastard is just stupid and wishes he could kill journalists.

Huh?

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I just saw this after I got home from my AA meeting to see the racist rodent bastard in full alk alky

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I wrote my own comments. I went back and read it again. When I use the kindle my grammar isn't that good. But I wrote my own comments. Sorry Jimmy that you failed English.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...
I just saw this after I got home from my AA meeting to see the racist rodent bastard in full alk alky
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huh???







Coldheartedtruth Teller said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...
I have no doubt that if Trump would poison journalists like Putin,hr
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HUH???




Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...
I wrote my own comments. I went back and read it again. When I use the kindle my grammar isn't that good. But I wrote my own comments. Sorry Jimmy that you failed English.
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HUH???



Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I have no doubt that if Trump would poison journalists like Putin and others, he would be cheering out loud. Especially if they were Beaners

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

My cell phone acted up.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...
I have no doubt that if Trump would poison journalists like Putin and others, he would be cheering out loud. Especially if they were Beaners
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putin is a journalist?

since when?

he's president of russia, you dimwit.


and the only beaner journalist i know is whore-hey ray-mose



you're not making sense, alky. have you suffered a traumatic brain injury?

wphamilton said...

lemme guess...

you fuckers got an inch. maybe two.


Not yet but we're getting close and panic is just around the corner. Offices closed early, and I had to ride home with snowflakes actually touching me. What an ordeal.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You can't read. Putin is not the journalists.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The GOP is in a civil war because the President has endorsed Moore.

Bannon actually attached the Mormon faith with his attack on MIT Romney, who was the Republican candidate for President.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

like Putin and others, Other dictators dumb ass.

Anonymous said...

President Trump is dictating your life, oh dear.

PNC said...

So your big grievance is that the Democrats are plotting to take the moral high ground?

You're just whining because they actually pulled it off, and their moves (calculated or not) really have put your Grouchy Old Pedophiles in the moral cesspool they've earned.

The Democrats haven't changed. They're still baby-murdering garbage. What's changed is that your party accomplished the near-impossible by beating the Democrats in the race to the bottom.

Sorry but not sorry. Any disrepute your party suffers has been self-inflicted, not the result of some left-wing plot.