Special counsel Robert Mueller has charged former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn with “willfully and knowingly” making “false, fictitious and fraudulent statements” to the FBI regarding conversations with Russia’s ambassador.The wording of this statement is a little hazy, but none of the four have been charged with anything having to do with collusion or obstruction. Two have plead guilty to making false statements and two have been charge (but plead not guilty) to financial crimes that took place prior to joining the campaign.
Flynn is the first Trump administration official and the fourth connected to the campaign to be charged as part of Mueller’s investigation into possible collusion between the Russian government and members of Trump’s team, as well as potential obstruction of justice and financial crimes.
Now there is going to be a lot of speculation about what this means. I am sure many will suggest that Flynn flipped on Trump and is now providing all of the evidence and proof of collusion that Mueller has been looking for (but otherwise have not been able to find).
But there are thousands of plea deals made every day that do not involve any James Bond / Perry Mason style international criminal conspiracy double agent style confessions. It simply might be that the so called financial crimes are not as strong as the indictments against Manafort and Gates are representing, and that cutting a deal with a former General is the prudent and right thing to do.
At the very least, it would provide Mueller with his first major "scalp" from the Trump campaign... and he doesn't have to go to trial to get it.
One more thing to consider. While General Flynn had a prominent role in the original Trump administration, he had no official role in the Trump Campaign or any previous ties to Russia (his international ties were with Turkey). Considering the campaign time frame was "allegedly" when all of the so called collusion would have taken place and it allegedly took place with Russia (not Turkey), it's uncertain why certain people feel he was the "key". At least Manafort was part of the campaign for a while (even as his ties were to the Ukraine).
Let's also keep in mind that the President has always had (and never used) the power to pardon General Flynn, if he had so chosen to do so. One would have expected that if the White House believed they had something to hide, and Flynn had the sensitive information in those regards that a Presidential Pardon would have been provided a long time ago to shut it all down. Moreover, if General Flynn was on the inside of some Russian Trump collusion to alter the election, I doubt that Flynn would have been fired in the first place. More logically he would have been kept close to the inner circle, rather than sort of hung out to dry as a scapegoat.
All that being said.... of the two situations.... the Flynn "plea" certainly would be more troublesome than the Manafort "charges". A plea with General Flynn might represent that something was given in exchange, while the trumped up charges against Manafort and Gates suggests the opposite.
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This supports Trump because he was fired after only three weeks for lying to pence.
Flynn is a plea bargain.
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I suspect that the President is the target of this agreement. But we shall see.
Support for Trump?
Wanna bet?
I suspect there is somewhat less than meets the eye.
"At the very least, it would provide Mueller with his first major "scalp" from the Trump campaign... and he doesn't have to go to trial to get it."
That was uses by Nixon's defense team.
It could also be just a way of getting Flynn on his fishy deals with the Russians.
My plea has nothing to do with Russia or Trump. I didn't know any Russians and I wasn't part of the Trump campaign.
I have provided Robert Mueller with information on how certain people on this website have been harassing the Reverend James Boswell. Mueller plans to use my information to go straight to the top. Look for your beloved Coldheart to be frogmarched off with Mueller on one side and the ACLU on the other. Any day now.
Or John Dean?
DJIA is crashing.
Check out @NBCNews’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/936635287517659137?s=09
This links to his statement
I can't get a text yet
Lock him up!
Djia crashing?? It's down 266 after rocketing past 24000 finishing up 330 yesterday.
You still have your head up your ass. Amazing.
Tget guy Trump himself fired after only three weeks on staff for lying to vp pence.
Some great scalp there.
Lol, you dumb ass loser
Some great scalp there.
Yes it is....major player of Trumps inner sanctum takes it up the ass....who will be the next one to fall....domino's are set up and donnie is in line....good!!!
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Support for Trump?
Wanna bet?
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sure, captain landslide. if only you had a possession of value with which to wager.
when i first heard this news report on the radio about an hour ago something just didn't sound right. it took a moment to figure it out, but there it was...
the voice i was hearing was none other than brian ross of abc news. the very same brian ross who strongly implied that james holmes who shot up the colorado cinema was a member of the tea party.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JozZgucvu8
he was not a member of the tea party.
so... good ol fake news ross is the clown who broke the flynn story.
i can see why the alky is ejaculating all over himself.
major player of Trumps inner sanctum
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who trump summarily fired.
yer a genius, d0pie.
now go eat a pistol.
Flynn Promised ‘Full Cooperation’ with Mueller
December 1, 2017 at 11:17 am
ABC News: “Flynn’s plea signals the former top adviser to President Trump is now cooperating with Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team. A brief statement released by Mueller’s team Friday morning does not say what information Flynn has provided the government as part of the deal, but people familiar with the agreement told ABC News Friday he has made a decision TO ASSIST investigators.
“The general TOLD CONFIDEANTS about his decision to plead guilty in the last 24 hours, according to PEOPLE CLOSE TO FLYNN, who say the former adviser FEELS PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS ABANDONED HIM and has agreed to answer questions ABOUT THE PRESIDENT OR ANYONE ELSE.”
Perhaps most important, Brian Ross reports that Flynn is prepared to testify that as a candidate, TRUMP “DIRECTED HIM TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THE RUSSIANS.”
After over 33 years of military service to our country, including nearly five years in combat away from my family, and then my decision to continue to serve the United States, it has been extraordinarily painful to endure these many months of false accusations of 'treason' and other outrageous acts. Such false accusations are contrary to everything I have ever done and stood for. But I recognize that the actions I acknowledged in court today were wrong, and, through my faith in God, I am working to set things right. My guilty plea and agreement to cooperate with the Special Counsel's Office reflect a decision I made in the best interests of my family and of our country. I accept full responsibility for my actions."
Instead of addressing this issue is the racist rodent bastard is just stupid and denies the truth with alky alky blah
Yahoo News report.
On Friday, White House special counsel Ty Cobb tried to distance the administration from Flynn, describing him as "a former National Security Advisor at the White House for 25 days during the Trump administration, and a former Obama administration official."
Cobb said that Flynn's false statements "mirror" those he made to White House officials, which resulted in his resignation in February.
"Nothing about the guilty plea or the charge implicates anyone other than Mr. Flynn," Cobb added. "The conclusion of the Special Counsel's work demonstrates against that the Special Counsel is moving with all deliberate speed and clears the way for a prompt and reasonable conclusion."
But Flynn's plea agreement and cooperation with special counsel Robert Mueller would seem to signal the opposite — that the investigation has now reached into the Trump White House itself, and that it still has a long way to go before wrapping up.
Flynn was a trusted adviser who worked closely with other campaign officials, many of whom are now senior administration officials.
Flynn has long been known to face legal troubles over a range of issues.
Former Acting Attorney General Sally Yates, an Obama administration holdover, testified under oath on Capitol Hill that she had warned the White House counsel about Flynn before her firing in January, but that he seemed to play down the significance of her warning.
Flynn also took the step of filing documents with the Justice Department under the Foreign Agents Registration Act, or FARA, for his lucrative lobbying work on behalf of Turkey in 2016, a period that overlapped with the presidential campaign. Criminal enforcement of the FARA has been spotty, with only seven cases since 1966.
But failure to register under the law formed the basis of criminal charges against Paul Manafort, Trump's former campaign chairman, and Manafort's deputy, Richard Gates, in late October.
As investigations into Russian election interference began to intensify this year, Flynn offered to testify to congressional committees — if he could receive immunity in exchange for his remarks. "Gen. Flynn certainly has a story to tell, and he very much wants to tell it, should the circumstances permit," his lawyer Robert Kelner said at the time.
More recently, Flynn's son, Michael G. Flynn, who worked alongside his father at the Flynn Intel Group, has come under scrutiny from congressional investigators and the special counsel.
Several veteran lawyers on the special counsel team have a history of approaching lower-level figures, including relatives of their targets, to build bigger cases against corporate executives or mob figures.
After prosecutors unveiled charges against Manafort and Gates on Oct. 30, the White House distanced itself from them, pointing out that the bulk of their alleged offenses predated the presidential campaign.
But putting distance between Trump and Flynn may be more of a challenge, as the president repeatedly praised Flynn for his service and loyalty, even after he left the White House this year.
and here comes the copy/paste alky-lanche...
like the sun risin' in the east.
Flynn had initially resisted cooperating with the investigation, according to people close to the retired general, but he has been facing mounting legal debts and plans to sell his house to help defray costs.
He only recently learned the full scope of the charges he could potentially face. Last week, Trump lawyers received calls from Kelner, alerting them that he could no longer participate in information exchanges with other possible Mueller targets, the first public indication that a plea deal was in the works.
“My guilty plea and agreement to cooperate with the Special Counsel's Office reflect a decision I made in the best interests of my family and of our country,” Flynn said. “I accept full responsibility for my actions.”
Trump and his legal team have learned of Flynn's decision via news reports Friday morning, according to sources with knowledge of the situation.
On Monday, Kelner was spotted exiting a meeting at Mueller’s offices in Washington, ABC News reported.
Flynn is a decorated military officer who once headed the Defense Intelligence Agency and, after leaving government, spoke frequently at Trump campaign rallies. He began facing scrutiny after it was learned he took payment to attend a Russian television event, at which he appeared seated next to Russian President Vladimir Putin.
That scrutiny only increased after he took over as Trump’s national security adviser. He was ultimately forced to resign after just a few weeks on the job after it was revealed that he misled Vice President Mike Pence and other administration officials about his meeting with the Russian ambassador.
Flynn initially denied that he discussed U.S. sanctions placed on Russia with Kislyak, but transcripts of Flynn and Kislyak’s phone calls reviewed by Justice Department lawyers showed otherwise.
Flynn was paid over $500,000 by foreign clients for consulting work and speaking fees – including contracts he allegedly failed to list on applications for security clearances and financial disclosure forms. He also only belatedly disclosed lobbying work his firm engaged in on behalf of the Turkish government.
Trump reportedly attempted to persuade the FBI to drop its investigation into Flynn’s conduct. In a Feb. 14 meeting at the White House, Trump reportedly told then-FBI Director James Comey to “let this go.”
“I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,” Trump told Comey, according to a memo Comey wrote afterwards, which was later described by the New York Times. “He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”
"and here comes the copy/paste alky-lanche..."
...and the pedo-lanche.
Perhaps most important, Brian Ross reports that Flynn is prepared to testify that as a candidate, TRUMP “DIRECTED HIM TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THE RUSSIANS.”
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has brian ross tied flynn to the tea party yet?
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Yahoo News report.
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alky,
now i know this will probably come as a complete shock to you, but yahoo NEWS and other NEWS outlets exist specifically for the purpose of informing us.
their existence negates the value of every single one of your rip-off copy/pastes.
so in other words, your plagiarism brings absolutely ZERO value to this blog..
capisce?
He will come to regret this.
Occam's Razor suggests that this plea and the subsequent statements can be taken at their collective meanings. We are generally no closer to collusion than we were before.
It was not Yahoo news.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
It was not Yahoo news.
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so why did you post this?:
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Yahoo News report.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
He will come to regret this.
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wanna bet, alky?
CH's track record for political predictions absolutely CRUSHES yours.
you really do need to stop taking cheap pot shots at our host and start your own blog.
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“I have a new rule, by the way. This is King’s Rule. The faster a bill goes through, the worse it is… that’s one of the reasons I predict there’ll be a vote today, because the longer the days go on, more people learn how terrible this bill really is.”
— Sen. Angus King (I-ME), in an interview on MSNBC, on the Republican tax bill.
Everyone "other" than Brian Ross is reporting that Flynn is set to testify that someone in the Trump transition team prompted him to make the phone calls (that he lied about) and that some of that information was relayed back and forth.
This would be consistent with the legal argument that Andrew McCarthy made in terms of what Flynn plead to. As a fairly consistent rule, you make the person plea to the crime that you are implementing others in, and then reduce the level of sentencing.
So if Flynn is cooperating against someone else, legal logic provides that it's to garner another false statement charge against whoever directed him to make the calls (and likely lied about it). Because making the calls was not a crime (or that is what Flynn would have admitted to).
"you really do need to stop taking cheap pot shots at our host and start your own blog."
He's a dirty coward. He knows he would fail miserably.
Besides, he couldn't try to gain sympathy for CH unfriending and blocking him on Facebook.
About a week later, as the Obama administration was getting ready to impose sanctions on Russia related to its interference in the 2016 election, Kislyak reached out to Flynn. The next day, Dec. 29, according to prosecutors, Flynn called a senior presidential transition team official who Mueller dubs the “PTT official.” The official, who was at Mar-A-Lago with other members of Trump’s transition team, discussed with Flynn what he should communicate to Kislyak, prosecutors said.
He called a "senior member" of the transaction team.
The way it works is to let Flynn plead guilty to some lesser charge(s) so that he may be free to implicate others on the more serious charges.
The next day, Dec. 29, according to prosecutors, Flynn called a senior presidential transition team official who Mueller dubs the “PTT official.” The official, who was at Mar-A-Lago with other members of Trump’s transition team, discussed with Flynn what he should communicate to Kislyak, prosecutors said.
He called a "senior member" of the transaction team.
Your translation of the events is interesting.
That is not happening in Flynn’s situation. Instead, like Papadopoulos, he is being permitted to plead guilty to a mere process crime. A breaking report from ABC News indicates that Flynn is prepared to testify that Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians — initially to lay the groundwork for mutual efforts against ISIS in Syria. That, however, is exactly the sort of thing the incoming national-security adviser is supposed to do in a transition phase between administrations. If it were part of the basis for a “collusion” case arising out of Russia’s election meddling, then Flynn would not be pleading guilty to a process crime — he’d be pleading guilty to an espionage conspiracy.
Understand: If Flynn’s conversations with the Russian ambassador had evinced the existence of a quid pro quo collusion arrangement — that the Trump administration would ease or eliminate sanctions on Russia as a payback for Russia’s cyber-espionage against the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic party — it would have been completely appropriate, even urgently necessary, for the Obama Justice Department to investigate Flynn. But if that had happened, Mueller would not be permitting Flynn to settle the case with a single count of lying to FBI agents. Instead, we would be looking at a major conspiracy indictment, and Flynn would be made to plead to far more serious offenses if he wanted a deal — cooperation in exchange for sentencing leniency.
To the contrary, for all the furor, we have a small-potatoes plea in Flynn’s case — just as we did in Papadopoulos’s case, despite extensive “collusion” evidence. Meanwhile, the only major case Mueller has brought, against former Trump-campaign chairman Paul Manafort and an associate, has nothing to do with the 2016 election. It is becoming increasingly palpable that, whatever “collusion” means, there was no actionable, conspiratorial complicity by the Trump campaign in the Kremlin’s machinations.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454269/michael-flynn-plea-no-breakthrough-russia-investigation
as usual, andy mccarthy does a splendid job of pissing on a liberal parade.
"Flynn is set to testify that someone in the Trump transition team"
The Daily Beast is ejaculating all over themselves on Facebook.
Lock him up! LOL.
Seems they don't know the difference between candidate Trump and President elect Trump.
So sm i imagining in every presidential election, both candidates going out of their way to meet with or reach out to as many world leaders as possible to build their gravitas (remember that word?)?
Talking to putin, or netanayhu or whomever is not illegal.
This is grasping at straws on steroids.
The official, who was at Mar-A-Lago with other members of Trump’s transition team, discussed with Flynn what he should communicate to Kislyak, prosecutors said.
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A breaking report from ABC News indicates that Flynn is prepared to testify that Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians — initially to lay the groundwork for mutual efforts against ISIS in Syria. That, however, is exactly the sort of thing the incoming national-security adviser is supposed to do in a transition phase between administrations. If it were part of the basis for a “collusion” case arising out of Russia’s election meddling, then Flynn would not be pleading guilty to a process crime — he’d be pleading guilty to an espionage conspiracy.
- andy mccarthy
alky,
what you're accusing flynn of doing is what his fucking job was at the time.
mccarthy destroys your argument. but what does he know? he's only a former senior federal prosecutor and you're an alcoholic liver transplant recipient.
Nearly as much liberal crying as after the election was over, followed by screaming at the moon.
Imagine if the Dow closes up today, the horror of that.
The drunken creeper doesn't know the difference either, lol.
Talking to putin, or netanayhu or whomever is not illegal.
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it is when you're in the grip of stage 4 trump derangement syndrome.
one cannot overstate just how crazed these fucking whack-a-doos are to pull a coup on trump. and this time they are actually convinced they've got him.
The way it works is to let Flynn plead guilty to some lesser charge(s) so that he may be free to implicate others on the more serious charges.
No James... that's not how it works.
You require the informant to plead guilty to the scheme that they are going to testify about... at a reduced sentencing guidelines. That establishes that there is a scheme (why else would someone go to jail) and then provides credibility to testimony.
If Flynn was part of some conspiracy or collusion, then he would have been charged as such (with a reduced sentence as part of the plea). He wouldn't be charged with unrelated crimes.
they nailed flynn for exactly the same crime martha stewart committed. except flynn will probably serve no jail time. wow. mueller is certainly on a roll.
He has agreed to cooperate with the investigation into the Russian intervention into the election and the possible cooperation with the Trump campaign or administration or both.
If he fails to cooperate, there is a way to press other charges.
He can't cooperate by lying for them. That's perjury and Mueller would be suborning perjury.
Kushner Is Said to Have Ordered Flynn to Contact Russia
December 1, 2017 at 1:55 pm EST
Former national security adviser Michael Flynn’s guilty plea Friday for lying to the FBI is alarming news for Donald Trump. But the first person it’s likely to jeopardize will be the president’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner,” Bloomberg reports.
“Two former officials with the Trump transition team who worked closely with Flynn say that during the last days of the Obama administration, the retired general was instructed to contact foreign ambassadors and foreign ministers of countries on the U.N. Security Council, ahead of a vote condemning Israeli settlements. Flynn was told to try to get them to delay that vote until after Barack Obama had left office, or oppose the resolution altogether.”
well, let's see alky...
when it comes to lying, flynn is a known quantity.
he was fired by the trump administration for LYING to mike pence, and he's actually CHARGED with LYING to the federal bureau of incompetence.
only a moron would take anything else that flynn had to say at face value.
Flynn was told to try to get them to delay that vote until after Barack Obama had left office, or oppose the resolution altogether.”
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not a crime.
next.
The only exposure to the Senior Trump Transition team member is whether or not they lied to the FBI about what they did or did not order Flynn to do... or if they had any involvement in those discussions.
But you are talking more "misleading statement" charges.
As we know, the Presidential precedent for lying under oath during an investigation that fails to prove an underlying crime... is a commuted sentence at worst.
ABC News reported Friday that Flynn is prepared to tell Mueller's team that Trump had instructed him to make contact with Russia during the campaign itself. If those contacts involved the emails the U.S. intelligence community charges Russia stole from leading Democrats, then Mueller will have uncovered evidence of actual collusion between the president and a foreign adversary during the election. Impeachment could then be in the cards.
“Two former officials with the Trump transition team who worked closely with Flynn say that during the last days of the Obama administration, the retired general was instructed to contact foreign ambassadors and foreign ministers of countries on the U.N. Security Council, ahead of a vote condemning Israeli settlements.
Who "instructed" him to make those contacts?
ABC News reported Friday that Flynn is prepared to tell Mueller's team that Trump had instructed him to make contact with Russia during the campaign itself. If those contacts involved the emails the U.S. intelligence community charges Russia stole from leading Democrats, then Mueller will have uncovered evidence of actual collusion between the president and a foreign adversary during the election. Impeachment could then be in the cards.
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LMAO.
it's fucking brian ross from james holmes / colorado shooting / tea party fame.
good one alky.
Who "instructed" him to make those contacts?
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probably those involved in the administration transition.
it's common practice when we change presidents, alky.
White House attorney Ty Cobb sought to minimize the import of today’s news. He said in a statement that Flynn held a job under the president for only 25 days – after which he was fired for the same lies the FBI caught him on.
“Nothing about the guilty plea or the charge implicates anyone other than Mr. Flynn,” Cobb said in a statement. “The conclusion of this phase of the Special Counsel's work demonstrates again that the Special Counsel is moving with all deliberate speed and clears the way for a prompt and reasonable conclusion.”
But it’s not nearly that simple.
Flynn was a top-level campaign adviser who consulted and traveled frequently with Trump himself last year – even leading the Republican National Convention in a “lock her up” chant that will live in infamy.
Flynn then became Trump’s national security adviser despite concerns conveyed repeatedly to Trump that he was either untrustworthy or potentially compromised by the Russians. He was fired only after it became clear that he misled Vice President Mike Pence about the very contacts with the Russian ambassador he also is now admitting lying to the FBI about.
That action in itself could have been illegal, owing to a centuries-old law prohibiting private citizens from negotiating on behalf of the United States with foreign entities. Flynn isn’t being charged in connection with the Logan Act.
He also isn’t being charged with anything connected to the failure to properly register his lobbying work on behalf of foreign governments.
His son, Michael Flynn Jr., also is not currently facing any charges, despite widespread reporting of his travels abroad with his father, and his connections to his lobbying business.
What’s being left out by prosecutors could indicate what Flynn is able to bring to Mueller’s table. There’s also the intriguing matter of Trump’s intense interest in the Flynn case.
Former FBI director James Comey has testified before Congress that the president asked him to drop any investigation of Flynn: “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,” Trump told Comey, according to the since-fired FBI director.
Back in March, when Flynn was in negotiations with Congress to provide testimony, his lawyer hinted that he had much to say.
"General Flynn certainly has a story to tell, and he very much wants to tell it, should the circumstances permit,” the lawyer, Robert Kelner, said at the time.
Circumstances now permit Flynn to tell his story – to the special counsel whose inquiry started with Russia and appears to have expanded from there.
This should scare Trump allies about the weeks and months ahead.
ABC News reported Friday that Flynn is prepared to tell Mueller's team that Trump had instructed him to make contact with Russia during the campaign itself. If those contacts involved the emails the U.S. intelligence community charges Russia stole from leading Democrats, then Mueller will have uncovered evidence of actual collusion between the president and a foreign adversary during the election. Impeachment could then be in the cards.
Roger Amick said...
ABC News reported Friday that Flynn is prepared to tell Mueller's team that Trump had instructed him to make contact with Russia during the campaign itself. If those contacts involved the emails the U.S. intelligence community charges Russia stole from leading Democrats, then Mueller will have uncovered evidence of actual collusion between the president and a foreign adversary during the election. Impeachment could then be in the cards.
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has brian ross verified flynn's tea party membership, alky???
Is roger expecting a incoming presidential transition team to refrain from all communication with any other world leader??
What am i missing here?
Roger...
It's not ABC per sea, but one person (Brian Ross) who is reporting this information about Trump personally asking Flynn to contact the Russians during the campaign.
Everyone else (and I mean everyone else) is reporting that Flynn is providing information regarding the December phone calls.
The Brian Ross reports simply don't make sense. If Flynn lied about whether or not he attempted to make contact during the campaign or was asked during the campaign to make contact with the Russians (something I am sure he was asked)... and then decided to come clean, he would be charged with that particular false statement (not the one he was charged with).
Also, why would Trump ask Flynn (who was not an official member of his campaign and had no actual ties to Russian) to contact the Russians for him? It makes no sense? Moreover, given Trump's insistence on loyalty, he would have never brought General Flynn onto his staff as a top adviser if he had previously asked him for something and Flynn refused. Trump would have written Flynn off at that point in time as not loyal enough to join his team.
But it does make sense that Flynn would have (as the incoming national security adviser) be asked to contact Russia. If he has information on that... it would also be legally relevant to what he is being charged with. Consistent with that Andrew McCarthy and other legal experts are suggesting.
AH HA!!!
WE'VE GOT TRUMP NOW!!!
Some of the projects appear large in scope. Some appear quite small. The work orders show a request to replace the toilet seat in the Oval Office in late January, and specifies the project be completed “after hours please.”
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/White-House-Work-Orders-Reveal-Repairs-Redecorating-and-Pest-Control-460862733.html
replace a "toilet seat" in the oval office??? why? sounds racist. what's the implication here? that 0linsky had poor hygiene? that a black man had a nasty ass???
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Is roger expecting a incoming presidential transition team to refrain from all communication with any other world leader??
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pretty much.
in alky land there should be a period of total silence between the US and every other nation on earth between election day and inauguration day to ensure there's no COLLUSION with anyone over anything like ever.
it's like putting the world on double secret probation. a little known codicil in the liberal interpretation of our constitution.
Maybe roger thinks the new toilet seat is made of gold
ho is reporting this information about Trump personally asking Flynn to contact the Russians during the campaign.
CH.....LOL.....It's been confirmed Jared is the director, which leads directly to donnie....This is turning into great theatre and it is gonna get really ugly. Is this the beginning of the end??? Seems pence may be caught in all this. Good, we get donnie, pence and who knows whomever.....Yep....fake news is the whole defense.
"But there are thousands of plea deals made every day that do not involve any James Bond / Perry Mason style international criminal conspiracy double agent style confessions"
Wow, how your story has changed from "Manafort being charged means no plea deal means Trump's got nothing to worry about".
THEN, the mere suggestion of no plea deal was the most important thing about it. NOW, an actual plea deal is so irrelevant as to be worthy of mockery.
Lying to federal investigators is a component of obstruction of justice, and if Flynn can implicate anyone else it becomes a cover-up almost by definition. Depending on why he lied, that speaks to the motives in collusion (among other potential aspects of it). So yes, those charges very much DO have to do with both collusion and obstruction.
Whether Trump is implicated in any of this, we'll see.
The only exposure to the Senior Trump Transition team member is whether or not they lied
Yeah, that's it CH.... Trump hears the footsteps getting closer and closer.....Me thinks Kushner gets it next...Good, the punk deserves to be bubba's bitch in jail....he'd make a good wife.LOLOL This is what happens in a family business.....
With his denial that he engaged in any of the "treason" or other "outrageous acts" he has been accused of, General Flynn is specifically denying any involvement with Russian Collusion.
Uh, no he's not. He is generally denying some "false accusations", presumably in editorials but possibly from other sources. He is not specifically denying anything, and the actions he does admit to, in the document supplied to the courts, are pretty outrageous themselves.
Withkushner implicated....there is no way trump was not involved. Ok CH, when are you going to admit trump is having a really shitty day even with taxes on the way to passing the senate. Great theatre!!!!
Wow, how your story has changed from "Manafort being charged means no plea deal means Trump's got nothing to worry about".
One step ahead of you, WP....
I wrote:
All that being said.... of the two situations.... the Flynn "plea" certainly would be more troublesome than the Manafort "charges". A plea with General Flynn might represent that something was given in exchange, while the trumped up charges against Manafort and Gates suggests the opposite.
He is generally denying some "false accusations", presumably in editorials but possibly from other sources. He is not specifically denying anything, and the actions he does admit to, in the document supplied to the courts, are pretty outrageous themselves.
Well I guess we must have read two different statements he released.
Because the statement I read, along with the charges and the plea, suggests that his admission of guilt was entirely in regards to false statements made to the FBI regarding his phone calls made in December of 2016...
WP - read this:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/12/flynn-indictment-is-more-evidence-that-mueller-has-nothing.php
With kushner implicated...
Kushner is implicated in telling Flynn (the incoming NSA) to contact the Russians and twelve other countries regarding the Israeli UN sanction vote.
That was not illegal.
You do realize that, right?
That was not illegal.
Nice try, CH....You do realize he was directed to cover the russki's prior to trump taking office. That is illegal. LOL. But you still won't give up....the derangement runs very deep, CH. Most amusing to me. BTW....pence and donnie both knew about this....another problem for those involved since they denied knowledge more than once. Great theatre...LOL
Great theatre!!!!
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great theatre indeed, d0pie. watching you, the alky and the pederast dance around in masturbatory celebration is pretty hilarious.
and getting beclowned by brian ross of all people. i mean, we KNOW he's a fucking fake news hack.
good stuff d0pie. thanks again.
.You do realize he was directed to cover the russki's prior to trump taking office. That is illegal.
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"cover the russki's."
"that's illegal."
really?
explain.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/12/flynn-indictment-is-more-evidence-that-mueller-has-nothing.php
Yep, that is what is being broadcast by all the apologists. What is funny, flynn got caught by a wiretap of kisylof and lied about the contact the FBI had on recording. You would think flynn would have known better. But he was stupid and lied. Going to be a lot more dropping, this is just the tip......Hang on to your shorts CH, your lack of credibility will be severely tested....
really?
explain.
I did. Try reading it again....Idiot.
the pederast dance around in masturbatory celebration is pretty hilarious.
Yeah that's it rat hole....the joke is on you as your hero takes it up the ass without lube.....The fun is watching your rationalization of the despicable trump and his BS games. He's going down with you. Yep, it's all fake news and everyone is above board. Jared the punk will fold like a cheap suit and link trump to the mess. Gotta love it. !!!
Newsweek Accuses Ivanka Trump of Plagiarizing... Her Own Speech
http://www.newsweek.com/ivanka-trump-speech-india-plagiarized-recycled-tokyo-725805?utm_campaign=NewsweekTwitter&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social
and the alky is completely puzzled as to why we are laughing at all of the fake news propagated every day. "it's an assault on the 1st amendment!!!" no it's not alky. the msm is like you - a fucking joke.
I did.
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you said "covering russki's is illegal."
i don't even know what the fauch that means, imbecile.
shouldn't you be hosing down your daughter's crotch rot or something?
I don't know Opie...
I have linked several lawyers and a former federal prosecutor who are stating that as a matter of fact, neither Flynn contacting the Russian ambassador, or someone directing him to do so is illegal.
If it was illegal, then Flynn would have been charged with that and been given a reduced sentence, rather than being charged with making false statements.
But we are supposed to believe you... because you say so?
I am pretty sure you cannot even tell us what law you believe was broken?
(and no... the Logan Law does not apply to incoming Administrations. Never has.)
from Jenifer Rubin National security gurus with whom I spoke suggest Flynn could be of help in several areas. He might provide details of Russian influence actors — how they operated and how they contacted and connected with him. (We should remember this is still a counterintelligence investigation.) Flynn’s help could be related to former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, who has already been indicted for financial crimes relating to his connection with Russian players. Alternatively, Flynn’s help might be related to his dealings with President Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, either with regard to alleged efforts to set up a “back channel” or with regard to Kushner’s own financial dealings with Russians. And, of most concern to Trump, Flynn could provide evidence relating to interference with the Russia probe, including Trump’s efforts to get then-FBI Director James B. Comey to lay off Flynn. The ABC News report, if accurate, suggests it is the latter, with fatal consequences for the Trump presidency.
Trump’s defenders will argue that this still does not touch on the underlying issue of collusion with Russia. That’s true but misses the point. If there was collusion, Flynn almost certainly would have known about it. He was both Trump’s closet foreign policy adviser and a pro-Russia operator who traveled to Russia to give a lavishly compensated speech and appeared on RT, Russia’s propaganda network, which he asserted was no different than any American news outlet. (RT has since been required to register as a foreign agent.) Trump can claim all he wants that the Russia investigation is a hoax, but if Flynn provides direct evidence implicating Trump, the president’s days in office are numbered.
The final countdown begins.......LOLOLOL
CH, even better than the powerblog opinion (which is dubious in places IMO), read this, the charging document
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4318156/Flynn-Statement-of-Offense.pdf
He is charged with obstructing the investigation, while acting as a surrogate for the Trump Campaign and as a senior member of his Transition Team. Not only with regards to his status as an Agent of Turkey, but specifically in the issues surrounding the subject of the investigation.
Then read this, the plea agreement itself:
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4318155/Flynn-Plea-Agreement.pdf where Flynn agrees with every detail of the above Statement of Offense.
The Plea Agreement ALSO specifically requires Flynn to supply any and all evidence of any crime that he's aware of, and to testify about anything the Investigators deem relevant. That alone voids your entire chain of reasoning that begins with what Flynn admits to. It doesn't matter what Flynn admits to - he still has to flip on anything he knows. That is NOT a good sign for Trump.
I have linked several lawyers and a former federal
So what....like assholes, everyone has an opinion....LOL
then Flynn would have been charged
Yeah, I'm sure mueller has published all he had against flynn....They got him to plead guilty to a charge with significant jail time, which was the objective to flip flynn and to provide data on others. You have no insight or knowledge to make that statement. Typical CH, bullshit your way through life. Again, another valiant attempt to prove your mind is completely shot. LOL I am enjoying in the obvious pain you are experiencing as your hero takes the gas pipe. and for flynn as the crowd yelled lock him up outside court today. Paybacks are a bitch!!!!!!....
I am pretty sure you cannot even tell us what law you believe was broken?
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"covering russki's."
that's illegal.
says the d0pie - pundit, legal scholar, and sire of mary jane rotten crotch.
It doesn't matter what Flynn admits to - he still has to flip on anything he knows.
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yet he's a known liar -.fired for lying to pence and charged with lying to the fbi.
so... what to believe and what not to believe?
some credible witness you've got there wp. good luck with the case, and with your TDS.
Yeah, I'm sure mueller has published all he had against flynn
Actually, Opie...
That's how the law works. When you charge someone or enter a charge with a plea, it becomes public.
You still haven't told us exactly what crime you believe Kushner committed by asking Flynn to contact the Russians and the other countries?
He is charged with obstructing the investigation
Actually No, WP... he is charged with making false statements. Part of being able to charge someone with making false statements is being able to prove that such statements were relevant and otherwise impeded the investigation.
Had Flynn simply stated he was wearing a yellow shirt, when in fact it was actually red... it would be a false statement, but not an offense because it would be irrelevant to the case.
I suspect you already know this... but are looking to argue for argument sake.
When you charge someone or enter a charge with a plea, it becomes public.
For the specific charge only. Like I said before, you know nothing about any other infractions mueller has on flynn . Nice try again. Your the one who brought up the word illegal, not me. As to what I think....conducting govmt business before in office is not lawful and you know it. Playing games with me is what all you do. You and your side a fucked, and you playing games to what law was broken is you trying to prove how smart you are. Yes you are smart CH, and very inane at the same time...LOLOLOL You can look up the law as well as I can and then you can lecture me how stupid I am.....your so easy to predict. LOL
DJIA is Crashing" a complete failure Alky
So, alky, you have no money in Equities, ok.
As for today's Crash. ,DOW crash amounted to a deviating Loss of - 0.17 %.
Alky again proves he knows not on fuck thing.
The Charges include "false statements and omissions impeded and otherwise had a material impact on the FBI's ongoing investigation" It's not the "Obstruction of Justice" charge that you might expect for the President, but it IS obstructing the investigation, as I wrote above.
Obstructing, impeding, a cover-up, all speaks to an obstruction of justice case and is centrally relevant to whatever the Special Investigator works up with respect to Trump.
I understand where you're coming from: you want to draw a distinction to salvage the attorney/columnist's declaration that they "normally" charge the same crime in the plea deal. But that's really pretty specious, given that the investigation is still building a full case, the charge is hand and glove related to Obstruction (and the SI isn't limited to an "Obstruction of Justice" charge to begin with)
Blogger KD said...
DJIA is Crashing" a complete failure Alky
Go away asshole.....it was down 350 when he made the post. You on the other hand are just another loser with a piggish wife....LOL
Still looking for link on clean burning wood.....LOL
rrb said... so... what to believe and what not to believe?
some credible witness you've got there wp. good luck with the case, and with your TDS.
We're talking about all of the documents and other evidence that Flynn may have about any crime (as explicitly written in the plea deal). Not limited to his hypothetical testimony.
Although his testimony also isn't automatically discredited. It happens, that someone is flipped who had lied to investigators and then testifies against his old boss.
Another top Trump associate charged with crimes, and you guys are still hoping that it means nothing.
Another top Trump associate charged with crimes, and you guys are still hoping that it means nothing.
There was another very senior trump official named by flynn that hasn't been revealed yet....I guess that is nothing to worry about since Jared is in the hot seat and is sleeping with donnie's spawn......
Why Flynn Was Charged With Only One Count
December 1, 2017 at 4:07
Former federal prosecutors told TPM that special counsel Robert Mueller made a calculated move to keep Michael Flynn’s charge limited:
“What’s interesting to me is what he’s not charged with,” said Steven Miller, a former anti-corruption federal prosecutor. “This is a very narrowly drawn structural plea bargain. By virtue of a single count he can’t get more than a five-year sentence. You don’t get that unless you’re giving something serious to the government. And the number of players left are relatively small: it’s Jared Kushner, it’s Donald Trump Jr., it’s the Trump campaign, and it’s the President. So I think this is something that would cause all of them to be extraordinarily worried.
“It’s a neon sign that there’s massive cooperation underway by Flynn,” Miller added.
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Ahem. As I said earlier,
The way it works is to let Flynn plead guilty to some lesser charge(s) so that he may be free to implicate others on the more serious charges.
But Ch says that's not how it works.
Nov. 9th , 3:00 am central time.
Alky predicted based on a Pauline Krugman Epic Twitter Meltdown the crash of the US Stock Market.
Alky. Where is your dow 17,000 ?
Is it with your Dow Crash of Today.
LOL@Alky
HB, jane, WP and oDopie, all butt hurt little girls.
Flynn Plea Caught White House Off Guard
December 1, 2017 at 5:48 pm EST
Politico: “Trump told associates as recently as last weekend — while he was visiting his Mar-a-Lago resort for Thanksgiving — that he isn’t worried about the outcome of Mueller’s probe into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, which has grown to encompass his response to the investigation.”
“But there is a growing sense of dread among Trump’s closest confidants that the noose is tightening — if not around the president, then around his closest advisers and family members.”
Said one person close to the White House: “What they’re freaked out about is that there are no leaks. Papadopoulos didn’t leak. Flynn didn’t leak. They feel like they can’t trust anyone. Their own counsel didn’t know.”
But Ch says that's not how it works.
Yep, CH is drinking lots of swamp water hoping that trump remains unsullied....Me thinks that is a pipe dream. Like thinking KD's pig wife is worth something....LOL Sure hope he just goes away....to russia....
Oh look a Shiney button and the four Liberal Stooges run to it.
KD once again proves his single digit IQ....WOW
Oh look a Shiney button and the four Liberal Stooges run to it.
You should work as a comedy writer with such a vapid sense of humor.....LOL
l butt hurt cows
Sen Susan Collins committed to voting "YES" on the President Trump Tax Revolution.
I was just messing with you folks when I posted on the DGIA. K'putz took it seriously..
Duhhhyhh
Notice that all of my real post have the "blog" B , next to my moniker.
NOTICE the butt hurt coward liberals post does not.
"DGIA", What index is that.
Did too crash today?
K'putz reminds me of "Who's on first"? I dunno, who's on second", "I dunno, who's on third?" " dunno is on second!
Alky, really, ok
You best tell opie , he defended your, joke.
And on Nov 9th, 2016, when you predicted a Dow crash, where you joking then too?
You best tell opie , he defended your, joke.
Yep I called you an asshole.....I guess that is defense....
Still wonder how clean wood is when it burns and why police never join unions.....Keep digging dumbass
It appears that the plea agreement is just a start of the path, if there is one, to the President. He may get out the pardon pen, and clear the deck at the federal level.
I will bet, the Republicans will give him a pass. CH would write a 500 word "so what, he won the election, get over it!"
WP...
You continue to confuse the explanation of charges with the actual charges. Just as you did with the Manafort charges.
Flynn was charged and plead guilty to making false charge. Nothing else. Plain and simple.
Those are the facts, regardless as to whether or not you accept them.
Another top Trump associate charged with crime
That has nothing to do with Russian collusion.
"It was down 350 points when he ((alky)) made the post" oPie
CH, Although "Flynn was charged and plead guilty to making false charge. Nothing else. Plain and simple." One has to wonder what else he's got?
"CH would write a 500 word "so what, he won the election, get over it!""
Tough shit.
Don't like it?
Leave.
"Wood burns" oPie ...
LOL@oPie
Hb the leader of the "Shiney button" chasers
Flyyn appears to be a liar under almost everything. He's not going to be the best witness. And yes Mrs Alzheimer's, your comments and obsession on me should fade into the swamp. You fit right in.
Seems the drunken creeper can't ignore me...
A Timeline of Michael Flynn’s Role in the Russia Probe https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/features/2017-12-02/a-timeline-of-michael-flynn-s-role-in-the-russia-probe
Sony but I am still sober Roger.
To your everlasting regrets, six months ago I got a phone call. I had to get to UCLA for a liver transplant. I was tha first in line.
CG, you don't read very carefully before making these pronouncements, and that's why you come up with frankly silly little slams.
Look at it closely, and forgo the assumptions. Where do you believe that I said a charge was "obstruction of justice"? The answer is, I didn't - it is YOU who are guilty of what you accused me of. Confusing a description of a crime with the actual thing charged. I said, literally, that his charge was obstructing an investigation, and it's literally true because impeding is obstructing. Only if YOU confuse that description with a formal charge of "Obstruction of Justice" do you then become confused.
THAT is the fact, no matter how much you want to pretend otherwise. ANOTHER fact is that Flynn's efforts to obstruct and impede, proven by his guilt under the lying to investigators charge, may well be a central fact in an eventual charge of Obstruction of Justice levied against Trump. No matter how often you want to deny that with your semantics, semantics don't really work in the legal venue and your argument is doomed to failure.
Like Talking To A brick wall.
I am curious, wp... how many stories do see where anyone else (besides you) is claiming Flynn was charged with anything other than making false statements?
Why do you believe that you know better?
WP, is the smartest human, eva.
Just ask her.
Abc news has now issued a huge story correction regarding what abd when flynn was instructed to do.
There goes the liberal spin yet again.
Michael Flynn will reportedly testify that President Trump instructed him to make contact with Russians during the 2016 presidential campaign, ABC News reported on Friday. “[Flynn] is prepared to testify...against President Trump, against members of the Trump family, and others in the White House,” Brian Ross reported. He added that Flynn’s testimony, as such, would “contradict all that President Trump has said up to this moment.” Flynn, Trump’s former national-security adviser, pleaded guilty Friday to charges that he misled the FBI during a January 2017 interview.
JUST IN: @BrianRoss on @ABC News Special Report: Michael Flynn promised "full cooperation to the Mueller team" and is prepared to testify that as a candidate, Donald Trump "directed him to make contact with the Russians." https://t.co/aiagnvr8eS pic.twitter.com/r8u2LWAd0O
— ABC News (@ABC) December 1, 2017
There it is. If true the Fake News bullshit won't matter. We could be looking at #impeachment #insane
Ouch, haste makes waste, the media hates President Trump and it shows.
Ouch, haste makes waste, the media hates President Trump and it shows.
Been peddling that narrative since Nov. 9th, 2016.
You stupid, stupid homeless mutt.
Roger...
ABC is now reporting that the contact request for Flynn was in regards to asking Russia about ISIS.
In case you have forgotten. Speaking to the Russians about non-election related stuff is not illegal, unethical, or proof of any "collusion". In fact, it literally has nothing to do with what Mueller was hired to investigate.
I do find it amusing that the media has been able to blur the line so blatantly. Fun to watch people like you to chase the curveball in the dirt.
JUST IN: @BrianRoss and @ABC News walked back their initial report clarifying that it was President-elect Trump not candidate Trump who asked Flynn to make contact with the Russian and other foreign governments.
The subject was ISIS not collusion.
This is why you wait, anti-Trump media usually gets it wrong the first time.
Is it any wonder Trump calls them fake-news?
Oh BTW the Tax reform bill passed the senate and is heading towards conference.
Sorry, Dems, 'Collusion' Outrage Is Running Out of Steam
Friday morning’s guilty plea from former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn is a major disappointment for Democrats. Flynn admitting to having made false statements is nowhere near where the Democrats want this to go. Of course, the story is big and the fact that a former White House official has been charged with anything and pleaded guilty is consequential, but it doesn’t suggest any collusion occurred and it doesn’t even get close to confirming that Donald Trump or his campaign was somehow complicit in a nefarious scheme.
continues
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2017/12/01/sorry_dems_039collusion039_outrage_is_running_out_of_steam_427945.html
Blogger KD said...
"Wood burns" oPie ...
LOL@oPieposts his stupidity...
Still no link jag off....Your perpetual coma is starting to get boring.....LOL at you again...Other than your post, who said "wood burns" in quotes??? That would be our mental midget goat fornicator....
sorry_dems_039collusion039_outrage_is_running_out_of_steam_427945.html
What does that have to do with mueller? Who cares that outrage is running out of steam other than yoU???? We will see how much flynn sings and who falls next.....
Blogger Roger Amick said...
There it is. If true the Fake News bullshit won't matter. We could be looking at #impeachment #insane
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there it is, alky.
there it is.
impeachment. by a landslide.
I am curious, wp... how many stories do see where anyone else (besides you) is claiming Flynn was charged with anything other than making false statements?
Reading comprehension, CH. Just because you misread something that I wrote, may reflect an overly complex writing style but does not mean that I am making your imagined mistakes.
I found out after i posted the ABC story after I posted it that they admitted to a mistake. I had other things to do so I didn't note the retraction
I had other things to do so I didn't note the retraction
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yeah, like cleaning your ejaculate off your keyboard.
The questions that the media hasn't yet answers to are, why did Flynn lie about his meetings with Russians, why did he even have those meetings, and who else was involved in the direction of them? Flynn's lying doesn't bring Trump down, not by itself, but his plea deal means that Flynn is almost certainly providing those answers to the investigators.
Trump's public defense, so far, has been to point out that he never actually ordered federal officials to stop investigations or to sabotage them. He just said (frequently) what he wanted, what he hoped would happen, etc, and that defense has been holding for him. There is some line where that kind of pressure, from the most powerful executive in the country, has the force to be a direction. The information that Flynn can truthfully provide can at the very least define that line.
He can also implicate other high level officials, building a case for conspiracy which potentially supplies the element of "corrupt intent" - the necessary ingredient to transform lying into obstruction of justice.
This always underlines how I see it. There were many meetings with officials from the Russian government and the top members of the campaign and pre inauguration teams. And how can anyone believe that Trump was not aware of them, or what was discussed?
Interesting. I posted almost exactly the same question by wp. How did the CEO remain ignorant?
Brilliant
That's overly complex for some. 🎄
Anonymous wphamilton said...
The questions that the media hasn't yet answers to are, why did Flynn lie about his meetings with Russians, why did he even have those meetings, and who else was involved in the direction of them? Flynn's lying doesn't bring Trump down, not by itself, but his plea deal means that Flynn is almost certainly providing those answers to the investigators.
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precisely, wp.
and furthermore, what exactly were they wearing each day they colluded with the russians? what did they have for breakfast each day? did they even EAT breakfast? who skipped it and why?
now then, turning to brian ross and abc news...
do we know why it's called "abc" news? a b c. the first three letters of the alphabet.
or are they??? hmmm???
could "abc" be russian code for something? and can trump even spell "abc"?
and regarding brian ross... have we yet determined that flynn was or was not a member of the tea party??? might a potential tea party membership have been a cover for some nefarious russian collusion? and could it be that the entire tea party is a russian plant and is in fact colluding with russia?
egads, man!
could it be that every single person who voted for donald trump is in fact guilty of colluding with russia simply because at some point in their life they had heard or seen the word "RUSSIA?"
this goes far beyond a penchant for the occasional use of russian salad dressing, a crime that i must admit to committing myself.
this strikes at the core of our democracy. fortunately donald j trump's days as our president are numbered. and we must not rest until we restore the much more fashionable and acceptable corruption of the clinton crime family to it's rightful place in the white house.
He can also implicate other high level officials
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i know one thing for certain - if i'm the white house gardener i'm updating the ol' resume'. or worse - getting fitted for an orange jumpsuit.
You don't think Flynn knows anything of value to the Investigator, obviously. But if that were the case, why did he lie to the FBI about events central to possible collusion, and why is there a plea deal?
The White House evidently doesn't share your confidence RRB, since they're already distancing themselves and trying to discredit Flynn.
WP...
Talking to the Russians about ISIS, or Sanctions, or a UN vote while acting as the incoming NSA for the President elect....
is not collusion. It's not even "possible" collusion. It's normal NSA business.
You have literally been reduced to believing that every contact between a Trump associate and someone from Russia is somehow illegal and proof of collusion. How does it feel to be so gullible?
How does "knowing something of value to investigators" translate into "Flynn's meeting was collusion" in your mind?
why did he lie to the FBI about events central to possible collusion
You claimed Flynn's discussion taking place during the transition regarding UN votes, ISIS, and sanctions... were central to collusion.
No I didn't. Really, what are you reading here? Or does being truthful no longer matter on this blog, just say whatever you want?
Any negotiations, particularly about sanctions over the Russian interference, between Trump proxies and Russia could be part of an on-going quid pro quo. In other words, central to possible collusion. You can bet that the Special Investigator now has details about those negotiations (details which you know nothing about).
Flynn wasn't even part of the transition team if I recall correctly, and was operating as a proxy for the team. Why the cut-out, the secrecy and the lying to the FBI (and Congress, and everyone else) if you are correct and it's all meaningless, standard operating procedure? Someone's world view is askew from reality, and it ain't mine.
why did he lie to the FBI about events central to possible collusion
Those were your words, WP... not mine.
What other meaning would you claim to be making here other than what you wrote?
Flynn wasn't even part of the transition team if I recall correctly
Flynn accepted the position of National Security Advisor in November. The phone calls were made in December after he agreed to be NSA.
Why would it be unusual (much less criminal) to have the incoming National Security Adviser reach out to other countries (twelve in all) regarding international matters such as ISIS or important UN votes?
Factually Flynn made false or misleading statements about his business as incoming National Security Adviser. There is nothing in the plea agreement that suggests the statements had anything to do with election collusion.
You are simply making stuff up.
What other meaning would you claim to be making here other than what you wrote?
Because you LEAVE OUT words when you "rephrase" changing the meaning.
There is nothing in the plea agreement that suggests the statements had anything to do with election collusion.
Who says that the Plea Agreement has to list everything Flynn did or spoke about? Apparently you ... maybe some conservative columnist ... and just about no one else.
It was an exact quote WP...
Anonymous wphamilton said...
You don't think Flynn knows anything of value to the Investigator, obviously. But if that were the case, why did he lie to the FBI about events central to possible collusion, and why is there a plea deal?
The White House evidently doesn't share your confidence RRB, since they're already distancing themselves and trying to discredit Flynn.
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