Not exactly sure why this song came to mind?
Btw... does anyone else realize that the only reason the shit hole comment is being talked about is because the Democrats were probably getting their collective asses handed to them in the immigration talks and were looking for some sort of distraction from their own failure?
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Spinal Tap
Not exactly sure why this song came to mind?
Because your mind is shot!!!!!! A fake song by a fake group for a fake potus.......LOLOLOL
Some nice postpubescent bodies in this hellhole video.
Trump Flushes Away America’s Reputation
From a New York Times editorial:
Mr. Trump denied making the remarks on Friday, but Senator Richard Durbin, Democrat of Illinois, who attended the meeting, said the president did in fact say these “hate-filled things, and he said them repeatedly.”
Of course he did. Remember, Mr. Trump is not just racist, ignorant, incompetent and undignified. He’s also a liar.
Don't we wish the NYT editorial staff would tell us how they really feel?
Pastor James Boswell, the only OLD creeper to comment about young girls.
Typical.
Postpubescent covers a lot. Even you. (Uughhhh!)
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A Racist in the Oval Office
John Cassidy: “For the past year, Republicans, senior Democrats, and many media commentators have held back from applying the R-word to Trump. In some circumstances, there are good reasons for exercising such caution. Calling someone a bigot is not a step to take lightly. Often, it can shut down discourse and fuel animosity. With Trump, there is the added consideration that, as long as he’s the President, other politicians in Washington have little choice but to deal with him. Also, he runs his mouth so much that a lot of what comes out of it doesn’t merit serious consideration.
“After this latest outburst, however, the arguments for being reticent seem absurd. The obvious truth can no longer be avoided or sugarcoated: we have a racist in the Oval Office.”
Pastor James Boswell, the only OLD creeper to comment about young girls.
Typical.
Oh, and I do indeed think teenage girls, post pubescent ones that is, can be sexy. I have always thought so.
https://coldheartedtruthblog.blogspot.com/2017/10/trump-phone-call-to-widow-recorded.html?showComment=1508608752714&m=1#c1852015223026817867
teenagers
Porn Star Had Multiple Interviews Lined Up Before Election
January 13, 2018 at 7:41 aM
Some followup on news that President Trump’s lawyer paid adult film star Stormy Daniels $130,000 just before the presidential election to stay silent about their affair:
The New York Times says Daniels had been discussing sharing her account with ABC’s “Good Morning America” and the online magazine Slate before being paid.
The Daily Beast had “also been in protracted talks with Daniels about arranging an interview after three sources—including fellow porn star Alana Evans—told The Daily Beast that Daniels and Trump were involved. She ultimately backed out on Nov. 3, just five days before the 2016 election.”
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That postpubescent porn star made a mistake. If she had just held out till AFTER the election, she could have made MILLIONS for telling (not not telling) her story.
It’s Like Trump Is Trying to Lose Florida
“President Trump’s comments about ‘shithole countries’ like Haiti could hurt him most severely in his winter home of Florida, a state that’s also home to a large Haitian community. And it’s just the latest time he’s singled out a key voting bloc to antagonize in the state,” TPM reports.
“His racially charged comments add insult to injury to the community, just weeks after his administration ended temporary status protection for 60,000 Haitian refugees living in the U.S.
“And that’s nothing compared to how much he’s infuriated the state’s fast-growing Puerto Rican community with his administration’s shoddy response to Hurricane Maria, which devastated the island.”
Pastor James Boswell, the only OLD creeper to comment about young girls.
Typical.
Oh, and I do indeed think teenage girls, post pubescent ones that is, can be sexy. I have always thought so.
https://coldheartedtruthblog.blogspot.com/2017/10/trump-phone-call-to-widow-recorded.html?showComment=1508608752714&m=1#c1852015223026817867
teenagers
Anonymous James said...
It’s Like Trump Is Trying to Lose Florida
The kansan idiot posturing as James....what a pathetic life he and loretta lead.....
Pastor James Boswell, the only OLD creeper to comment about young girls.
Typical.
Oh, and I do indeed think teenage girls, post pubescent ones that is, can be sexy. I have always thought so.
https://coldheartedtruthblog.blogspot.com/2017/10/trump-phone-call-to-widow-recorded.html?showComment=1508608752714&m=1#c1852015223026817867
teenagers
Have you noticed how many issues Trump is caving on while trying to pretend that he is not caving? Campaigning is easy. Governing is not.
GOP Must Defend Many More House Seats
The latest House ratings from the Cook Political Report show 40 competitive Republican-held seats (4 Lean Dem, 15 Toss Up, 21 Lean Rep) and just 9 competitive Democratic-held seats (4 Toss Up, 5 Lean Dem).
LorettaOctober 21, 2017 at 1:03 PM
"Oh, and I do indeed think teenage girls, post pubescent ones that is, can be sexy. I have always thought so."
JUST WOW it is loretta's post!!!!!!!!
I think that the outcry over Trump's shithole comments about immigration policy is because it shows at least prejudice and possibly racism. Democrats generally disapprove of prejudiced and/or racist immigration policy.
If they are failing to prevent that, then they're calling attention to their failure, not distracting away from it.
It was a blatantly racist set of comments by the POS. If he stopped with the "shithole countries" statement this would blow over quickly. But he compounded it by saying the U.S. should receive more immigrants from lily-white Norway.
It could also be a class prejudice, cultural bias, or this weird cult of wealth that Trump fosters. He may believe that any immigrant from what he calls "shithole countries" is low class, having little in material wealth, and therefore less worthy than immigrants from more prosperous countries like Norway.
That's not to say that Trump wasn't being racist. Perhaps he was. But it could be from any of several other ignorant opinions that Trump sometimes expresses.
Depends on the goals of immigration.
If, as many supporters of immigration contend... the idea is to allow the best of the rest of the world to come to America to further enrich and improve our nation... then we would/should be careful about who we do let in. They should be somewhat educated, or able to become educated in our post-secondary education system... or otherwise have skills.
If, as others contend... immigration must be considered a humanitarian situation, where we bring in people from places in the world that they are otherwise oppressed and living conditions are dangerous (you know, those places we might not refer to as utopias)... then it's a completely different story.
If it's the former, then we should be taking people from countries where they are already educated, already able to move into and engage within our culture. We should be taking the best of the best. we should be wary of taking people "just" because their country is in in tatters, war worn, medically suspect, or dirt poor
(Not sure how one might describe those types of places, but I am sure there is a word or two)...
The left told us by now Man would be dying off in droves. Ozone hole the end of civilization. Famine because of Global warming flooding and drought. And the need for ZPG. Running out of oil, nope, peak oil.
Many more liberal failres.
Many more to come.
"FUCK YOU CHt, you disingenuous ...."
Pretty in PINK D opie.
HB, according to your post, you cheated on your first wife.
Why isn't the hostage policy expert from Manhattan negotiating with North Korea, Trump wanted to know, since she looked Korean and was pretty? He wasn't joking because he pressed her a couple of times about her origins, and was asking his advisor about it. Not just flirting (or Trump's impression of flirting).
The man is just stupid.
Bitter TDS.
Ette, did you ever imagined e that WP would go full on sewer dwelling as it comes to one little election for President?
This Single Election has erased 8 years of uncontained liberalism.
"Ette, did you ever imagined e that WP would go full on sewer dwelling as it comes to one little election for President?"
Not really.
He was in full support of the Iranian deal...so there's that.
I know his no chance vote went to some thing call a Jill stien.
So he pissed his vote away.
I never knew it would so deeply damage the fragile mind of the Liberals that visit here.
Man you guys have sunk to new lows, with that attitude about truthful reports about the President's behavior.
Can't call the President "stupid" when he says things which are indisputably stupid, else someone will call you bitter and deranged. Really, I don't know what's wrong with you, but I suggest taking a long hard look at it.
Call him whatever you need to call him, to justify your bitterness.
He talks like a union boss, so what.
"truthful reports about the President's behavior"
Anonymous sources, and one liberal Durbin.
Truthful.
Sure.
"according to two officials with direct knowledge of the exchange."
No names.
Truthful
Sure
There is no bitterness, just an honest and deliberate evaluation.
I think I know exactly what the issue is. I think that most of Trump's supporters, even if they are decent human beings, suffer under the delusion that regardless of what Trump says or does, no matter what kind of person he proves himself to be, believe that he will institute policies that will help them personally. That belief may be delusional, but it's the same principle as any scam perpetrated on anyone: play on their selfish greed, give them overblown promises that sound too good to pass up, and people will suspend rational judgement based on the hope that they'll actually get it in the end.
When you're drawn in to that extent, objective evidence is disregarded. Usually the scammer will attempt to compromise the mark in the beginning; nothing big, but enough to make the mark feel like he's already in it. A hint that something someone else involved does that isn't above board, or that someone else will get screwed (but likely deserves to get screwed). Easily rationalized, but the key is making the victim feel like his integrity or usual principles are already compromised, making it harder to back out and easier to rationalize the next step.
I think that respondents here have already fallen into that trap with Trump, and therefore are in it for the long haul, regardless of anything that Trump may say or do. ANY evidence to the contrary will be met with the irrational justifications, such as "bitter", "deranged" or fanciful speculations.
The injiin thinks this negates to durban's truth...
and one liberal Durbin.
SO you are alleging Durban is a liar because he is a liberal while Collon and Purude suddenly have convenient memory and heard nothing....Gee....I know who the liars are........the idiot speaks....LOL
I'll tell you why I made the comment about Norway. Because my political opponents only want to bring in immigrants who are Black, Hispanic, Middle Eastern, or anyone who isn't White.
Norway is not only a predominately White nation, but one where over 70% of the population are Evangelical Christians.
Crying Chuck Schumer and the rest of the Democrats are not interested in immigration, unless those immigrants are nearly a guaranteed Democratic vote. White evangelical Christians may vote Republican, which is why they would reject immigration from Norway.
My opponents are the true racists here.
Now be honest Donald. It's because the average male height in Norway is 5'11", and people from shithole countries are much shorter, isn't it? You think we need BIG immigrants even HUGE immigrants, not weak little immigrants.
"ANY evidence to the contrary will be met with the irrational justifications, such as "bitter", "deranged" or fanciful speculations."
You have provided zero evidence that Trump is stupid.
WP posed a truth that rings to the center of trumpism....
That belief may be delusional, but it's the same principle as any scam perpetrated on anyone: play on their selfish greed, give them overblown promises that sound too good to pass
The fact is that the donnie is a consummate salesman who has disciples believing every falsehood no matter what the facts really are...No wonder he did so well as a slum lord.....Only 2 bankruptcies which CH thought were just business and no one lost any money. What a naive sycophant he is....
You have provided zero evidence that Trump is stupid.
All you need to do is listen to his constant lies......
Most of what Trump says is stupid. Trump can't read from a prepared statement without confusing fighter jets. Trump has the vocabulary of a 10 year old, and expresses himself like a simpleton. It's either an affectation or he IS as stupid as he sounds.
Foreign leaders who have met and talked with him think that he's stupid. People that have worked with him think that he's stupid. Even some congressional Republicans think that he's stupid. I think that he's stupid. We are not all bitter and deranged.
He's a charlatan now.
Check the 538 and Cook.
A blue wave
"We are not all bitter and deranged."
You are.
Leave it to the democrats in Hawaii to make a major blunder.
Leave it to the democrats in Hawaii to make a major blunder.
Which is?????
We are not all bitter and deranged.
Unlike our honest to god injin.....LOL
WP, hangs out his phycology degree.
Who knew.
Now, THIS is stupid.
Typical of democrats.
"Hawaii officials say 'false alarm' on alert about inbound ballistic missile"
Yep, the irrational justification when faced with the prospect that you've been deceived: the person who tells you that must be bitter and deranged.
That "you are" is like the flat earther - everyone else is dumb, or taken in by NASA fakes. The illuminated Flat Earther knows better, and I'm just deranged if I accept photos or any other evidence from space travel. The creationist says that I am "deceived by the devil" if I accept geological evidence, fossil dating and the Big Bang theory. And Trump people will say that I'm "bitter". It beats having to evaluate the evidence, or even looking at facts to begin with.
"WP, hangs out his phycology degree."
Yeah, everyone else is a 'layman.'
I think that most of Trump's supporters, even if they are decent human beings, suffer under the delusion that regardless of what Trump says or does, no matter what kind of person he proves himself to be, believe that he will institute policies that will help them personally.
What exactly does this mean, WP?
Are you suggesting that the policies he institutes are somehow ultimately tied to things he says? That somehow the tax cuts would have otherwise raised someone's paycheck... but then he went and said "shit hole" and now that tax cut law is different and won't help?
Have you ever "really" stopped to consider the concept that there are a great deal of people in this country who don't care if the President said the words "shit hole" and likely assume that much worse has been stated by Presidents and other politicians behind closed doors in the past?
Have you ever "really" stopped to consider why the hell it matters to you what the President "tweets" about? Because it certainly doesn't matter to a lot of people like me... largely because it hasn't, doesn't and won't effect me.
Have you ever "really" stopped to consider that some people actually do care about policy more than they care about the soap opera portions of the Presidency?
Have you ever "really" stopped to consider that judging the policy might actually be the more mature, more grounded, and more important consideration than constantly judging tweets and leaked stories of unusual behavior?
The truth, WP... (and we all deep down know it to be true) is that there is a great deal of "bitterness" about the 2016 election. That bitterness only gets worse as Trump actually makes policy and other advancements. Every time he lifts a regulation, or nominates another conservative judge, or signs something into law... it signals a country going in the opposite direction from where liberals want it to go. It could have been (and in the minds of liberals should have been) Hillary moving us in the "correct" direction.
So to pretend that liberals are not "bitter" about that, is a little like not acknowledging gravity.
Furthermore, bitterness makes it impossible to simply judge the President on his policies, his political victories, a growing economy, rising wealth, and lowering unemployment, etc... etc...
Bitterness requires that you judge him on something that allows you an outlet of angry release. So you attack the President over "tweets" and second hand stories, pretending that it actually tangibly matters (when deep down you know it doesn't), because it's all you have.
Sad, really... but understandable.
Your description of CH is right on.
I think that most of Trump's supporters, even if they are decent human beings, suffer under the delusion that regardless of what Trump says or does, no matter what kind of person he proves himself to be, believe that he will institute policies that will help them personally..
I would add his narcissistic personality to that. He always believes that he's correct and if you disagree, you are delusional.
Bitterness is your new delusional belief.
"That "you are" is like the flat earther - everyone else is dumb, or taken in by NASA fakes. The illuminated Flat Earther knows better, and I'm just deranged"
Your words and reactions are all we have to assess your attitude toward Trump.
Hell, you've managed to out-troll the trolls on here.
That's quite a feat.
The difference between you and the trolls like Opie, Roger and James is your vocabulary.
If he stopped with the "shithole countries" statement this would blow over quickly. But he compounded it by saying the U.S. should receive more immigrants from lily-white Norway.
Not exactly:
In the last decades, Norway has become home to increasing numbers of immigrants, foreign workers, and asylum-seekers from various parts of the world. Norway had a steady influx of immigrants from South Asia (mostly Pakistanis and Sri Lankans), East Asia (mainly Chinese), and Southeast Asia (e.g. Filipinos), Eastern Europe (e.g. Russians and Poles), Southern Europe (Greeks, Albanians and people from former Yugoslavia etc.), and Middle East countries (especially Iraqis and Palestinians), as well as Somalis, Turks, Moroccans, and some Latin Americans. After ten Eastern European and Baltic countries joined the EU in 2004, there has also been a substantial influx of people from Poland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.
CIA Factbook
Trump mention Norway because that country's head of state was the last to visit Trump and it was foremost in his mind.
If Japan the was the country instead, would have said Japan.
Well said CH.
This would blow over quickly."
Like the 2016 loss to Trump?.
"If Japan the was the country instead, would have said Japan"
Exactly.
KD the morbidly idiotic posted
D said...
WP, hangs out his phycology degree.
You should have 5% of WP's intellect....Can't fix your kind of stupid......
I think that most of Trump's supporters, even if they are decent human beings, suffer under the delusion that regardless of what Trump says or does, no matter what kind of person he proves himself to be, believe that he will institute policies that will help them personally.
You don't understand what he said, because you are the person he described. You can't understand why the people who find Trump as wrong, believe that he's a pathological liar, that his public behavior in his tweeting is irresponsible and a dangerous to the county, are justified because it's fucking obvious. Unless like you believe that we are bitter, and and so sadly delusional.
You should have 5% of WP's intellect.
So we can be just like you? No thanks.
Have you ever "really" stopped to consider the concept that there are a great deal of people in this country who don't care if the President said the words "shit hole" and likely assume that much worse has been stated by Presidents and other politicians behind closed doors in the past?
Sure, and I don't care much myself if he uses such words.
I explained my problem with this, but you must have missed it. It's that Trump assumes that people from those countries are worthless compared to more advanced western nations. He expresses a belief that I believe is frankly stupid.
Have you ever "really" stopped to consider why the hell it matters to you what the President "tweets" about?
I've told you before, I personally LIKE that he tweets because we know what he's thinking about, what what he thinks about it.
It's the fact that his tweets often betray an ignorance, and a lack of capacity, that bothers me.
Your words and reactions are all we have to assess your attitude toward Trump.
Hell, you've managed to out-troll the trolls on here.
In other words, "No real argument with what you wrote, WP. I'll just call you a troll, because I disagree with your attitude towards Trump, and be done with it."
https://www.indexmundi.com/nigeria/literacy.html
"I'll just call you a troll, because I disagree with your attitude towards Trump, and be done with it."
If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...
It's a duck.
Porn Star Not Allowed to Talk About Trump
The Daily Beast was informed that porn star Jessica Drake is not allowed to discuss President Trump on account of a non-disclosure agreement she signed barring her from any such talk.
NDAs are often deployed as part of settlements to silence accusers.
So in menstral cramps opinion. Norway is not Lily white but the country has been taken over by migrants....The facts do not support that...nothing new there....
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Haiti
Go away pedo.
menstral cramps envious post avers....
So we can be just like you? No thanks.
You should be so lucky.....LOLOLOL Especially your sources on Obama's expletives....dayum funny but typical of idiots...
"High educational standards are seen in countries all around the world, but the literacy rate in some countries, like Andorra, Luxembourg, Greenland, Norway, Liechtenstein and a few others can’t be ignored. Within these, literacy reaches virtually 100 percent."
Not a shithole.
Eirik Bergesen
@eirikbergesen
Sorry, @realDonaldTrump, we Norwegians don’t want to emigrate to countries run like shitholes.
Trump:
Why should we take people from these s***hole countries"
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James Comey
@Comey
“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!” This country’s greatness and true genius lies in its diversity.
Go away pedo, no one reads your spam.
Furthermore, bitterness makes it impossible to simply judge the President on his policies, his political victories, a growing economy, rising wealth, and lowering unemployment, etc... etc...
CH, you're two steps behind. We've already established that you cannot link 2017's growing economy, unemployment nor the Stock Market highs with Trump's presidential policies.
We, those of us who are NOT among Trump's core supporters, do not care for the policies he has implemented administratively, and we objectively note his consistent failure in legislative agenda.
We have already judged him on his policies and failures, regardless of his intellectual capacity (or lack thereof). That the man is also stupid probably accounts for his failures and his poor policies, and indicates that his failures will be continuing.
"Wave Versus the Map":
Democratic Control of the Senate Moves from Preposterous to Possible
--The Washington Post
Dems are Haiti and Africa actually shitholes?
DEMS 2018.
Vote for ME, I hate the Trump tax law (while using every advantage in it).
KD the idiot posts another pile of gibberish said...
Demi are Haiti and Africa actually shitholes?
This demonstrates what happens when you live in Kansas....LOLOLOL
do not care for the policies he has implemented administratively
Especially when it comes to gutting the EPA and becoming the only civilized country not supporting the Paris Climate accord....
We've already established that you cannot link 2017's growing economy, unemployment nor the Stock Market highs with Trump's presidential policies.
You may not be able to link them WP but a great many people do from the heads of large corporations and investment banks to the rust belt worker who finally got a good paying job after suffering eight years of malaise under Obama where his economists declared "2% growth is the new normal".
As well as the many more people who got the tax cut bonuses Nancy Pelosi derisively declared "bread crumbs". (She wins this year's Marie Antoinette "let them eat cake" award).
And may more who will make the linkage when their paychecks get slightly bigger in February.
Yep. But not one single Trump hater here will keep it. They will #resist
Menstral cramps again shit his brain with....
rust belt worker who finally got a good paying job
You do realize that more jobs were created in 2016 than in trumps non miracle year 2017????? Once again facts beat cramps opinion,......LOLOLOL
Baristas at Starbucks don't count.
Thanx donnie....worse job creation since 2011 !!!
“U.S. job gains slowed by more than forecast in December, wage growth picked up slightly and the unemployment rate held at the lowest level since 2000, adding to signs of a full-employment economy,” Bloomberg reported. “The job gains, while less than forecast, bring the 2017 total to 2.06 million jobs — below 2016.”
According to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the 2.06 million jobs created last year were actually the fewest in a year since 2011. Here’s the year-by-year breakdown of jobs added since then.
Menstral cramps changes the rules with...
Baristas at Starbucks don't count.
I'm sure the BLS will change the way they count jobs based on your naive opinion.....LOLOLOL
"We've already established that you cannot link 2017's growing economy, unemployment nor the Stock Market highs with Trump's presidential policies."
LOL.
Nice try.
Real income going up. Both regular unemployment and real unemployment are the lowest in years. And more people are entering the labor force.
And black unemployment is the lowest in the history of that measurement.
Consumer confidence is through the roof and the economy is growing at nearly 4%.
That is the Trump effect.
"(She wins this year's Marie Antoinette "let them eat cake" award)."
Good job.
h the roof and the economy is growing at nearly 4%.
No its not......I see you backed off your job creation claims and changed the subject....typical of weak minded sycophants like yourself....BTW....the black employment is what your idiot from kansas keeps blustering..... didn't know you cared about blacks other than surpassing their vote.....idiot.....
"SAVED JOBS" OBAMA.
"I will lower the ocean and heal the planet" prez floating turd
Pres. Trump I want your next tax reduction to be a 2 % reduction in social security payroll tax.
"That is the Trump effect."
But, robber barons....
No its not......I see you backed off your job creation claims
Nope.
@KayleighMcEnany: "We were hemorrhaging 1,000 jobs per month under the Obama Administration in the manufacturing sector. Under @POTUS, 18,000 gains a month."
It is the Trump economy.
President floating Turd called Lybia a "SHIT SHOW".
oh the outrage then was,, crickets.
GDP Growth under Obama's last year (2016) 1.6%.
GDP Growth under Trump's first year (2017) 3.2%
The Trump effect.
Why don't you correlate GDP with the NFL record of the Eagles? It would be just as valid.
As I said, you have been unable to link any 2017 economic growth with Trump policies. Repeating the unsupported (and frankly, nonsensical) claim is fails to actual link them.
When several of you claimed that it was "the tax package", and I point out that there WAS NO tax package in 2017, you all back up and say it the expectation of a tax package. When I point out that no one had an "expectation" of a tax package, since every other legislative attempt failed, you say it was Trump's "promise" that a tax package would some day be implemented. When I point out that no one has expanded their business, nor hired anyone, and publicly stated that it was due to the "promise" of an an expected tax package maybe next year - silence.
So no, cs, "under Trump's first year" doesn't mean anything. Eagles made the playoffs in Trump's first year. So what?
"GDP Growth under Obama's last year (2016) 1.6%.
GDP Growth under Trump's first year (2017) 3.2%"
Bingo.
It kills the Liberals that Obama did so poorly.
Pres. TRUMP Doubled the last Lost Year.
It kills the Liberals that Obama did so poorly.
Pres. TRUMP Doubled the last Lost Year.
"It kills the Liberals that Obama did so poorly"
You'd think they'd accept what was inevitable and move on...
Why don't you correlate GDP with the NFL record of the Eagles? It would be just as valid.
Actually no, since the Eagles effect on the economy is limited to paying about 40 spoiled prima-donna millionaires.
President and Congress, however, can have a significant effect on the economy.
And the difference between GOP and Trump control of economic policy vs. the Democrats and Obama's control is like day and night.
As I said, you have been unable to link any 2017 economic growth with Trump policies.
Only to you because like ostrich you stick your head in the sand and refuse to see the reality.
It is pointless to try to convince a person who stubbornly sticks to his cognitive dissonance.
"It kills the Liberals that Obama did so poorly"
It killed them because Obama follow their playbook word for word right down the line and failed miserably.
All the stimulus spending did was add 10 trillion dollars to the debt.
Obama oversaw the worst economic recovery since world war II. If he did nothing, the economy would have rebound to about 3%. Unfortunately, he didn't do nothing.
The trump cramp posts an irrelevant number, cannot prove trump has created less jobs this past year than obama....
"We were hemorrhaging 1,000 jobs per month under the Obama Administration in the manufacturing sector. Under @POTUS, 18,000 gains a month.
Once again a cherry picked statistic... I am sure it makes you feel better. Maybe you can show us how many coal jobs were created since trump changed the rules and claimed victory...LOL at you again....Seems sources say the manufacturing sector under Obama grew, not decreased as menstral's quote said....if you measure from october 2009 on to negate the effects of busch's disaster, it can be contended he showed a 800k increase in the mfg sector......The is more than one way to cherry pick, cramper.....LOL
"We were hemorrhaging 1,000 jobs per month under the Obama Administration in the manufacturing sector. Under @POTUS, 18,000 gains a month.
Come on menstral cramp....provide a single example of a trump policy creating a job.......won't hold my breath......WP has you by the gonads and all you got is opinion,......LOLOLOL
GDP Growth under Trump's first year (2017) 3.2%"
Once again, that is a forecasted value....nice try though....
Come on menstral cramp....provide a single example of a trump policy creating a job..
Too easy, 2018 is going to be even better.
The US labor market forged ahead in 2017. Job growth was strong and steady after accounting for hurricanes and extreme weather. Unemployment kept falling and wage growth picked up a bit. Best of all—the labor market recovery reached many of the least well-off, including those who were hurt most in the recession.
Still, the good news hasn’t touched everyone. The biggest short-term challenge is not growth, but distribution—some sectors of the economy and a few regions of the country lagged. Furthermore, the welcome narrowing of some labor market gaps in 2017 might turn out to be temporary. The labor market also faces longer-term challenges from technological disruption and polarization. In short, behind the successes of 2017, we found plenty to watch, wonder and even worry about in the year ahead.
The labor market made impressive gains this past year. October 2017 was the 85th consecutive month of job growth. So far in 2017, monthly job growth has averaged 169,000—down modestly from previous years, but more than we’d expect after so many years of recovery and expansion. Job growth is also still far ahead of what’s needed to keep up with low working-age population growth.
CS, wp and the other liberals are to enraged to see the facts of a better economy.
Pres. Floatila Turd. Full implementation of Keynesian economic adding 14 Trillion to the National Debt.
In 2017, we returned to capitalism.
Cramp...that beautiful post provided nothing about which trump policy increased the growth......Once again, all you are doing is throwing crap and hope it sticks....a true measure of how little you know.....It did confirm the job gains was less than obama's which I thank you for....LOLOL Dayum funny id you ask me.....Toss in the stupid remark from kansas and I remain convinced, WP ate your shorts again.....
WP ate CS's shorts. Gay as hell.
Ok
You own it.
Opie how is adding 14 Trillion by Pres floating Turd good for the US?
I have my doubts about Dennis.
No, not really.
Supporters of prez obama, what three economic policies lead to only a 1.9 % average gdp for this entire 8 years?
what three economic policies lead to only a 1.9 % average gdp for this entire 8 years?
A do nothing congress doing everything to impede the potus....thanx for playing dumb dumb And those awful policies were the basis of months of job growth with trump immediately impacted downward.....LOL
KD the pig lover said...
WP ate CS's shorts. Gay as hell.
And you are dumber than menstrual.......
There it is, too easy.
Prez floating turd fails blame someone else.
Pres. Trump successed, Credit Obimbonomics.
Dennis again proves he knows so little about US Economics.
Again Dopie, when you use the word "and", your position is one of agreeing with me.
A do nothing congress doing everything to impede the potus..
You mean the filibuster-proof Democrat controlled congress that passed Obamacare?
That Congress?
You mean the filibuster-proof Democrat controlled congress that passed Obamacare
Whatever your simplistic mind says ....LOLOLOL Seems you forget who had both houses for 6 out of his years....that's okay proving your feeble mind has the memory of a gnat....
when you use the word "and", your position is one of agreeing with me
Dp you get a hard on saying such idiotic things....Must be since you keep acting like a child.....The only thing I can agree with you is kansas is a shithole state
Dopie has not the ability nor formal education to debate.
We've already established that you cannot link 2017's growing economy, unemployment nor the Stock Market highs with Trump's presidential policies.
Hardly... in fact, it would be closer to the truth to say that we can entirely link the growing economy and stock market to Trump's Presidential policy. It's the only variable change from when we had a lackluster economy, with tepid growth, low wages, and low consumer confidence.
But it's a typical WP argument... start with a head in the sand, cover your ears and scream lalalalala over and over when it comes to the reality, then suggest because "you personally" don't acknowledge anything Trump has accomplished so far. Then suggest that it's fair to judge him instead on his twitter account and unsubstantiated reports of behind the scenes behavior...
Which of course, you believe as the absolute truth, much like a child believes in the Easter bunny and Santa Claus.
So in a nutshell, WP...
Your argument is:
Ignore the tangible reality as if it doesn't exist.
Embrace the unsubstantiated stories and reports as if they must be 100% true.
Up is down. Black is white. Left is right.
See what Donald Trump has turned you into? You have becomes a National Inquirer reader.
Whatever your simplistic mind says ....LOLOLOL Seems you forget who had both houses for 6 out of his years..
And why do you suppose that happened?
Maybe because people thought the Democrats were going the wrong way and there needed to be a check on Obama?
It's the only variable change from when we had a lackluster economy, with tepid growth, low wages, and low consumer confidence.
Non sequitor typical of someone desperate to credit achievements to a politician who realistically has none.
"It's the only change" so therefore it's the cause. Do I even NEED to explain how pathetic that reasoning is? From the provably wrong assumption, to the faulty logic?
Non sequitur is not the fallacy you're looking for WP.
But sometimes what follows is really because of it.
In this case, the mere promise of tax cuts and regulatory relief by Trump was enough the jump start the economy.
Don't try to nerd "correct" me - Non sequitur is any inference which doesn't follow. Any logical fallacy. Which is most definitely what CH's reasoning is, so of course it is the fallacy that I'm referring to.
"In this case, the mere promise of tax cuts" - a good example of that pathetic fallacy. Obviously, "the mere promise" of tax cuts have never in the history of the United States led to economic expansion, particularly not the year before the "promised" tax cuts even went into effect.
It's magical thinking, barely even rises to the level of a logical fallacy.
WP...
I am not going rehash the argument. No need to for me. The only reason you would like to, is because you lost the argument the first time.
The issue remains the same here. When it comes to judging the President:
- You ignore the fact that Trump has been succeeding in tangible ways.
- You choose to embrace the soap opera hysteria regarding twitter feeds, and leaked stories from unidentified sources.
You have become the typical overemotional non-logical liberal. But I would go with your heart, WP... because quite obviously Trump fried your brain.
WP... you remind me of my old friend John, who passed away a few years ago.
He was a hard core Weekly Standard, Federalist sort of conservative/neo-conservative for most of his life. But when the neo-conservative experiment largely failed under Bush, he became somewhat disillusioned and decided to support Barack Obama over John McCain, because of his belief we need a change in direction. He was also impressed with the intelligence of Obama, and never thought McCain was that bright.
He told me that taking the liberal positions was often times frustrating for him. He told me that things that made sense in his head, made no sense once he had to put them on paper or say them out loud. He openly admitted that he missed being able to make a "logical" conservative argument... rather than dance around the illogical portions of his liberal arguments.
Eventually he was not all that impressed with the Obama Presidency either and was starting to move back towards and re-embrace conservatism just before he passed.
But you remind me of him. Someone who used to be far more conservative (and logical) and now spends 500 words trying to make an illogical argument appear less illogical.
Don't try to nerd "correct" me - Non sequitur is any inference which doesn't follow
Actually it does follow so it not a non sequitur.
What it is is post hoc ergo propter hoc. And in this case it's true.
Consider yourself nerd corrected again.
And if you don't like it, take a course in logic.
I am not going rehash the argument. No need to for me. The only reason you would like to, is because you lost the argument the first time.
Actually I was responding. But no, I did not "lose the argument". That's laughable because you don't eve have an argument.
The funny thing about this, in every election with a change in party, I bring up a few of these same points. There is a lag time between federal policy and economic impact. That's a lag from actually implementing it, not just the idea that it might be implemented. The first year of a new President in fact is operating under the previous President's budget and policies.
Yet every single election, there are some people who want to credit or blame the new President for immediate economic conditions. And YOU, CH, personally agreed with me on many of those occasions. It is a simplistic argument, as you have agreed, and of course economic conditions were evolving to that point and continued on a trajectory already set. Yet now, you look through an ideological prism and YOU are one of those people you formerly just shook your head at.
What it is is post hoc ergo propter hoc. And in this case it's true.
So I DO have to go through the reasons why both the assumption and the logic is wrong for you? But I think you already know because you quoted one of the problems. And then justify the fallacy because you think it's true nevertheless. Funny argument.
Before I go into that, note that your defense of your "nerd correction" is also wrong. Whether or not it's "post hoc ergo propter hoc" it's still a non sequitor. Stop trying to nerd correct me.
Actually WP...
Your fallacy is the implied argument that consumer confidence, small business confidence, the Market, etc... are somehow tied to what policies we have (or had) in place... rather than tied to where we believe we are going.
People don't choose to make a big purchase, spend a little extra this Christmas, take a vacation, or make any sort of spending decision without some confidence that the future looks good. Even if they had accumulated that extra money in prior months, the decision to spend or save (for a rainy day) is directly tied to confidence.
The same basic truths hold for businesses, both small and large. The decision to expand, hire, provide raises, restock, etc... all are largely made with a focus on the future (not on the focus of the past).
While I understand (and agree) that many policy changes take time to take hold... and within a Presidency, we may not see results one way or the other. But the basic issue of confidence is one of the most overriding factors in most any decision making (both consumer and business).
To suggest that a change in Presidency (especially from one of the least business friendly Presidents to one of the most business friendly Presidents) would not have any change to confidence (and future confidence) is a staggeringly illogical argument to make.
Or to otherwise suggest that people (consumers and business decision makers) don't take future confidence into play as a major factor... is equally illogical.
KD the dullard posits.....
has not the ability nor formal education to debate.
Our pig lover once again proves his ability to be an abject idiot....
Where I would agree with you WP...
Is that it would be imprudent to Judge Bush 43 or Obama for taking over an economy that was either heading towards or in a full blown recession. To blame Bush 43 or Obama for job losses (or negative growth) that took place over the first few months of their Presidency would certainly be unfair.
While confidence (one way or the other) has an effect on our economy, there can be forces in place that are simply too large to be overshadowed by the intangibles.
There were not any overwhelming forces in place a year ago. We effectively had a fairly stagnant economy for the past few years. There was room for the economy to be bolstered by nothing more than a new found confidence in the future.
While you might not like it, business owners and executives (both small and large) seem to have more confidence today. Consumer confidence is higher. the Market (which is entirely speculative) is higher.
Which economy do you like living in more.
2016 Obimbonomics
2017 #MEGA
"While you might not like it, business owners and executives (both small and large) seem to have more confidence today. Consumer confidence is higher. the Market (which is entirely speculative) is higher."
Oh, he hates it.
That's why he turns himself into a pretzel trying to bash Trump.
I am a small business owner.
I am more positive about this economy.
But according to WP my business doesn't count.
I am truly sorry that WP's company is stagnated and/or failing.
WP thinks the booming economy has nothing to do with Trump's policies and everything to do with Obama;s fail policies despite it taking off under Trump's watch while it brutally struggle under eight years of Obama.
He's guilty of magical thinking.
"WP thinks"
Oxymoron since the election of Donald J Trump.
Yep, damaged WP.
It exposed him.
Let's take a look at the GDP Trend of Obimbonomics.
2015 2 % GDP
2016 1.6 % GDP
Then, according to the damaged WP, with nothing happening.
GDP Ries Unexpectedly. To 3.2 %.
While you might not like it, business owners and executives (both small and large) seem to have more confidence today.
What you don't seem to understand, is that a business owners "confidence" today has zero to do with decisions he made a year ago.
Have you ever even made a business decision? Are you imagining that aome large portion of business managers woke up one day, say last May, or even June, and said to their partners and investors, "Say, now that Trump is President we may get better taxes a year from now. Let's ramp up hiring and capital expenditures! Yeah I know that he's got nothing through yet, but I have CONFIDENCE." If so, then you probably have no experience at all, just imagination.
Or do you believe that they're all like another poster here, telling themselves "Hey I paid a HEAP less taxes this year, Yay Trump" not even realizing that there were no Trump changes to their taxes?
You can't come up with a single supporting example. Your whole argument is a joke.
"While you might not like it, business owners and executives (both small and large) seem to have more confidence today"
Ever notice that when you want to add a spurious "you don't accept", "you don't understand" "you may not like it" and so on, you generally get it wrong?
What is the consumer confidence level right now, compared two years ago? One year ago? And do you really believe that any corporation based any hiring and expansion decisions on a small rise in that index?
Just how much higher do you think it WAS in 2017, compared to 2016? Did you even check?
I'll make it easy for you:
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/consumer-confidence
Blogger Loretta said...
"Your President thinks brown people can't do anything and live in shitholes."
Obviously, he was right.
Well since Coldheart didn't have the guts and honesty to answer, here are the vaunted consumer sentiment numbers. Consumer sentiment in January 2017 was 98.5, dropping to 93.4 in July and peaking briefly at 100.7 in October.
The year before, the number was about 97-99 midyear, peaking to over 100 later.
Huh, imagine that. Consumer sentiment wasn't the reason for higher growth in 2017 after all.
It shouldn't surprise him, if he'd paid attention to my earlier posts, because I had already explained where the consumer portion of the (slight) GDP growth actually came from in 2017. Primarily auto purchases, and financial services. Strong consumer sentiment drives increased spending more generally, large purchases, more fuel because more trips, more entertainment. There was a small bit of that in 2017 ... and "financial services".
AND btw CH, I also explained to you where the business side of GDP growth came from. And guess what, it's no more indicative of "business confidence" as the cause than was the consumer side.
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