It was clear that Holder and Lynch represented the President's viewpoint on Justice. Whether that be the decision to investigate and retrain police forces, allow for a more relaxed crack down on immigration crimes, or the decision not to push federal marijuana laws in states where the citizenship had voted to legalize it... all of it was fairly liberal political policy.
Furthermore, it was clear that there was a working relationship between the Justice Department and the agencies beneath them. Former FBI director James Comey made it crystal clear in his interviews with Congress, that he was given (and took) fairly detailed and political instructions from the Obama era Attorney Generals. Comey even suggested that he was told by A.G. Lynch how to describe the investigation of Hillary Clinton when or if he spoke about it in public. He was quite obviously, kept on a pretty short leash by the A.G.
Nobody found any of this alarming. After all, we elected Obama to be President. He runs the executive branch. The Department of Justice and the FBI are both under his charge. If Justice is prioritized and run under the beliefs of the President, then so be it.
So why is it that now that Donald Trump is President that suddenly the concept of the Justice Department or underlying agencies working towards the President's priorities is considered by many to be a conflict of interest, corrupt behavior, or possibly even illegal.
Suddenly, we elect a new President and everyone is screaming about how the Justice Department and the Law enforcement agencies are supposed to be independent agencies. Suddenly everyone expects that rather than work for the White House, or even with the White House, these executive branch agencies supposed to actually be overseeing the White House?
Just curious...
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James Boswell of Normal, Illinois is a pedophile.
So basically what was standard operating procedure under Barack Obama is now obstruction of Justice under Donald Trump.
If liberals didn't have double standards they would have no standards whatsoever.
Hypocrisy --- Bedrock --- Liberalism.
The possible scandals you allude to are dwarfed by:
The commission was created to investigate the unprecedented intervention into the election by the Russian government. That is why it was absolutely necessary to investigate the attack by a hostile foreign government on the very credibility of the most important rights of the citizens in our democratic republic, the sanctity of our rights, to vote for or against the President and every other elected position.
Your descent into standalist partisanship are
Hypocrisy--Bedrock--Trumpism.
What the fuck are you thinking?
. If Justice is prioritized and run under the beliefs of the President, then so be it.
Bullshit Scott. That's how Putin just handled an attempt by opponents of his government. You are justifying the use of the FBI and DOJ to be the unprecedented discrediting of the two agencies, and granting any President dictatorial powers.
Why?
He faced the weakest Democratic candidate since Carter. He used the fear and anger that underlies his base and squeaked out an electoral college victory.
Your post was almost a criticism of the President. But the fact is that no President should be able to politicization the justice system for his personal beliefs.
Even though he is the executive, the people who work in the justice system and intelligence agencies, swear allegence to the Constitution, not the President of either party.
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He faced the weakest Democratic candidate since Carter.
You mean the inevitable president Hillary Rodham Clinton?
That weak candidate? Nobody thought so in 2016. They were dancing in the streets when they drew Trump as their opponent.
The Atlantic
No way an indictment
Again, color me skeptical.
Collateral cases, like those involving obstruction and perjury, are ones that involve derivative offenses, not the principal charges under investigation. Proving them often turns on proof of intent. You have to show that the defendant acted with the purpose of obstructing an investigation. That means these cases tend to rise or fall on the strength of the case proving the underlying crime. It matters very much to juries and the public that we know exactly what it is that a defendant is covering up. If we don’t think it matters that much (as many in America seem to have concluded when confronted with President Clinton’s sexual conduct) or that it hasn’t been proven, then the cover up is often forgiven.
In the Trump investigation, we have yet to determine whether the campaign was involved in an underlying crime of electoral manipulation involving Russia, much less how the broader American public thinks of it. Many, like me, see strong evidence of Russian interference in the American election system and good evidence (though less strong) that some in the Trump campaign willingly accepted this and sought to take advantage of it. But candor compels the recognition that evidence of President Trump’s personal involvement is much thinner than, say, that of his son-in-law and other campaign staff.
Indeed, in many ways, the sheer numerosity and blatantness of the president’s interventions suggests that he really is sincere in thinking that he did nothing wrong. Were he truly concerned about the criminality of his former actions, he might well have been more cautious in so openly attempting to subvert the investigation. Unless and until stronger evidence of the president’s personal involvement in contacts with Russian influence peddlers is developed, the derivative obstruction case will remain substantively problematic as well.
All of which brings us to a final thought, admittedly far more speculative than what has gone before. Something concerns the president. That is clear. If it is not the alleged collusion with Russia, then what is it?
Wisps of information in the wind suggest a far different, deeper concern. The president’s finances have always been suspect. Some have thought them resting on shaky foundations. Ongoing investigations have looked to his banking and investments as well as those of his closest family. Several of the special counsel’s prosecutorial hires specialize in money-laundering cases—an odd specialty for an election fraud/computer-hacking case (which, basically, is what the Russia investigation amounts to). Perhaps, just perhaps, it is that investigation that has motivated the president’s response.
But even here one should not repose too much hope in the Mueller investigation. Mueller will not indict the president, even for money laundering. The resolution of the current American crisis is going to be political, not criminal. The future lies with Congress and, ultimately, the electorate, not with prosecutors and the courts.
The commission was created to investigate the unprecedented intervention into the election by the Russian government.
Roger? What are you talking about?
A commission? What commission?
I am referring to a special counsel (which is not a commission designed to investigate counter intelligence). By definition, Special Counsel is designed to investigation criminal activity... not foreign espionage.
But, of course, Rog... we all know the truth. The pretense that this is counterintelligence investigation designed to get to the truth of Russian interference sounds wonderful.
But Mueller isn't doing any of that. He has been investigating years old bank transfers between Ukraine and the United States. He has been charging people with lying about things that happened after the election was over.
Moreover... you couldn't care less that Mueller has basically pulled the plug on finding any collusion... because while you feint that this is about Russian influence, your real motivation is entirely political.
The Russia Investigation Is Very Real
January 30, 2018 at 12:51 pm ESTBy Taegan Goddard0 Comments
“Here’s an important reminder: The investigation into Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election — and its ties to the Trump campaign — is real. And everything we’ve learned over the past year has only confirmed that reality… Indeed, there hasn’t been one development that has lessened suspicion of Russia’s ties and contacts to the Trump campaign during the 2016 election.”
YEP, IT'S REAL, ALRIGHT.
Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe has resulted in the guilty pleas (for lying to the FBI) of former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn and former campaign adviser George Papadopoulos.
The Mueller probe also has produced two indictments — of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and campaign aide Rick Gates.
Papadopoulos, who has since pleaded guilty for lying to the FBI, revealed to Australia’s top diplomat — after a night of heavy drinking — that Russia had dirt on Hillary Clinton.
Donald Trump Jr., Manfort, and Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner met with Kremlin-connected individuals in June 2016 — after Trump Jr. received this email from publicist Rob Goldstone: "This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump."
WikiLeaks’ Julian Assange traded direct messages with Trump Jr. in the fall of the 2016 campaign. The Atlantic provides this exchange: "'Hiya, it'd be great if you guys could comment on/push this story,' WikiLeaks suggested, attaching a quote from then-Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton about wanting to 'just drone' WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange. 'Already did that earlier today,' Trump Jr. responded an hour-and-a-half later. 'It's amazing what she can get away with.'"
And those are the things we now know — and didn’t know a year ago. Indeed, there hasn’t been one development that has lessened suspicion of Russia’s ties and contacts to the Trump campaign during the 2016 election.
Hillary/FBI bought the "Trump Kenya-Dossier"
10 undisputed facts behind the Russia probe
Forget the memo. Fundamentally, President Trump and big chunks of conservative media are arguing that the Russia investigation is unwarranted, tainted and malicious — that the special counsel shouldn't exist.
Why it matters: Take the known knowns — 10 undisputed facts — and the smoke clears considerably.
ONE At the Republican National Convention in Cleveland, the Trump campaign, chaired by Paul Manafort (since indicted), worked behind the scenes to weaken the party platform's anti-Russia stance on Ukraine.
TWO"Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting."
THREE Top Trump campaign officials met at Trump Tower with sketchy Russians who had offered dirt on Hillary Clinton.
FOUR On Air Force One, Trump helped his son, Don Jr., prepare a misleading statement about the meeting.
FIVE Trump, contradicting what his staff had said earlier, told NBC he fired FBI Director James Comey because of "this Russia thing."
SIX Michael Flynn, later Trump's first national security adviser, talked privately about sanctions with the Russian ambassador during the transition, then denied it to Vice President Pence.
SEVEN Flynn (who has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI) failed to disclose payments from Russia-linked entities. Trump has repeatedly defended Flynn.
EIGHT During the transition, Jared Kushner spoke with the Russian ambassador "about establishing a secret communications channel between the Trump transition team and Moscow."
NINE Attorney General Jeff Sessions, then a U.S. senator, spoke twice to the Russian ambassador, then didn't disclose the contacts during his confirmation hearing.
TEN When Bob Mueller was named special counsel, Republicans widely praised him.
Be smart: No sane person looking at those known knowns would say this is a crazy investigation.
The big picture: Yes, FBI agents have probably said things in texts they shouldn't have. Yes, former FBI Director James Comey was clumsy in his comments about Hillary Clinton. But none of that changes what this investigation is really about.
" Hillary has it all" $100Alky
" Hillary wins with 360 + electoral votes" $100Alky
Vs.
"He faced the weakest Democratic candidate since Carter." $100Alky
I see the "pastor" continues to mindlessly post political_lire spam. At least now he realizes that it is not something to stand behind so he refuses to post either links or his name. pastor jimmy has no original thoughts and is a mouthpiece for the DNC, political_lire and even Adolph Hitler.
WHAT A FUCKING LOSER HE IS.
ROFLMFAO !!!
Julian Assange traded direct messages with Trump Jr
Nothing nefarious, improper, or illegal as it turns out. But don't tell James that.
Jared Kushner met with Kremlin-connected individuals in June 2016
Kremlin-connect being anybody with a Russian accent.
James is tiresome there nothing there and he knows it.
With James, it's conspiracy theories r us.
Pompeo Says Russians Will Try to Hack Midterm Elections
CIA Director Mike Pompeo told the BBC that he has “every expectation” that Russia will try to disrupt midterm elections in November.
Said Pompeo: “I have every expectation that they will continue to try and do that, but I’m confident that America will be able to have a free and fair election [and] that we will push back in a way that is sufficiently robust that the impact they have on our election won’t be great.”
“He cheats like hell… so I don’t quite know how he is in business. They say that if you cheat at golf, you cheat at business. I’m pretty sure he pays his caddie well, since no matter how far into the woods he hits the ball, it’s in the middle of the fairway when we get there.”
— Norwegian golf ace Suzann Pettersen, in an interview with VG, on playing golf with Donald Trump.
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"Aw heck, and I said nice things about Norwegians," Trump said.
little "pastor" jimmy has nothing
Anybody that has to copy/paste endlessly from the exact same left-wing web site on a daily basis is weak minded and clueless. but that is obvious.
I don't know if he will survive it but the next 7 years is going to be hell on earth for him
God Bless America and God bless President Trump.
ROFLMFAO !!!
James...
With the exception of Flynn lying to Investigators (apparently because he believed he was in danger of being charged with a violation of illegally negotiating as a private citizen...
None of the items on the list are illegal.
Unless you can tell us why it's legal for Clinton to hire someone to go talk to Russian officials and dig up dirt on Trump, but illegal for Trump Jr to meet with a Russian lobbyists who claims to have dirt on Clinton...
Then you are full of shit.
Hell, they cannot even prove in a court of law that the Russians were the ones who hacked the email servers... which is the only real "illegal" activity that the Russians supposedly committed.
If you cannot tie (with any degree of real legal proof) the Russians to the only real illegal thing that happened... how can you charge someone with any sort of criminal "collusion".
Oh yeah, that's right, James!
Collusion isn't actually a crime. You have just been mislead to believe it it.
*misled
WASHINGTON, Jan 30 (Reuters) - Scott Pruitt, the head of the Environmental Protection Agency, on Tuesday sought to distance himself from comments he made in a 2016 radio interview in which said Donald Trump would pose a threat to the U.S. Constitution if he ever became president.
The recording of the interview was released on Tuesday by the liberal group Documented, which tracks corporate influence in politics, just as Pruitt appeared before his first Senate hearing since becoming confirmed last year as the top U.S. environmental official.
"I believe that Donald Trump in the White House will be more abusive to the Constitution (than then-President Barack Obama), and that's saying a lot," Pruitt said in February 2016 during his appearance on the Pat Campbell Show in Oklahoma.
Pruitt, then Oklahoma's attorney general, at the time was supporting Jeb Bush, the former Florida governor who was among those vying with Trump for the Republican presidential nomination.
Pruitt went on to say in the interview that if Trump were elected, the businessman-turned-politician would take "unapologetic steps to use executive power to confront Congress in a way that is truly unconstitutional."
During the hearing before the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, Democratic Senator Sheldon Whitehouse asked Pruitt if he recalled the interview. Pruitt said he did not.
Regarding the content of his 2016 remarks, Pruitt said he does not "echo that today at all."
Pruitt has provoked controversy as Trump's EPA chief, praised by conservatives and criticized by liberals for rolling back environmental regulations put in place under Democrat Obama and for his role in Trump's decision to abandon the 2015 Paris global climate change accord.
He is one of several Trump appointees who were critical of the president when he was a candidate. For example, Energy Secretary Rick Perry in 2015 said Trump was a "cancer on conservatism" and would ruin the Republican Party.
James Boswell of Normal, Illinois is a pedophile
so the "pastor" can't respond but instead posts some more unrelated political_lire spam.
ROFLMFAO !!!
Europe’s Economy Grew Faster than U.S.
“Economic growth in the 19 countries that use the euro currency was 2.5% in 2017… Growth in the 28-member European Union also reached 2.5% last year,” CNN reports.
“It’s the best period of growth for both groupings since 2007, putting Europe just ahead of the 2.3% expansion posted by the U.S. in 2017.”
Hey, Ch, we hear now that the FBI has a second dosier on Trump and in addition to linking him to a possible Russia-Trump collusion, it (like the first dossier), and among other things, it like the first links him with disgusting behavior in a Russian hotel.
:-) James, smiling, said...
Hey, Ch, we hear now that the FBI has a second dosier on Trump and in addition to linking him to a possible Russia-Trump collusion, it (like the first dossier), also links him to disgusting behavior in a Russian hotel.
Objection of justice.
President Donald Trump has been talking to his friends about possibly asking Attorney General Jeff Sessions to prosecute Robert Mueller, the special counsel overseeing the Russia probe, and his team, NBC News reported.
The revelation appears in a news analysis piece written by Howard Fineman, an NBCNews.com contributor and an analyst for MSNBC.
Fineman quotes an unnamed Trump advisor as saying: "Here's how it would work: 'We're sorry, Mr. Mueller, you won't be able to run the federal grand jury today because he has to go testify to another federal grand jury.'"
It's unclear what charges Mueller could possibly face in such a situation.
King Trump is not going to impose sanctions on Russia, despite the fact that the Congress passed a LAW regarding the sanctions.
Jane, sorry madam. But the USA clocked in a 2.525 % GDP for 2017.
Idiot.
"putting Europe just ahead of the 2.3% expansion posted by the U.S. in 2017.”
Jane cheerleading EU over USA.
However she did it with fake CNN data, so I forgive ya.
USA 2017 GDP. 2.525
-$100HB said "
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Roger AmickJanuary 30, 2018 at 5:06 PM
Objection of justice."
Huh?
-$100HB said "
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Roger AmickJanuary 30, 2018 at 5:06 PM
Objection of justice."
Huh?
It's unclear what charges Mueller could possibly face in such a situation.
Many, but "Objection of Justice" wouldn't be one of them.
-100HB and his date jane ran off.
In a show of mourning of Hillary's loss, Democrats are wearing Black to tonight's State of the Union Peech, by President Trump.
Just looked at Huffington Post.
They hate the Trump State of the Union speech, even before it is given.
Prediction
The speech will be well done. Two words we won't hear from the President: Collusion and Russia.
Within 24 hours he will lose his temper and Tweet angry insults at people who didn't approve of the speech.
Objection of justice.
President Donald Trump has been talking to his friends about possibly asking Attorney General Jeff Sessions to prosecute Robert Mueller.
What a loser you are -$100HB.
The speech will be well done. Two words we won't hear from the President: Collusion and Russia.
"Challenges from rivals Russia and China."
You didn't hear collusion (why would you) and you definitely didn't hear Objection of Justice. ☺
Dems sitting on hands,talking and checking phones as the commander and Chief praises Our US Military.
I want to thank them all for giving that visual gift for use in the 2018 Election.
I notice that. Dems sitting on their hands while Trump praises veterans, the anthem and our flag.
That's not a good look to most people.
Maybe it works for their American hating constituents.
you definitely didn't hear Objection of Justice. ☺"
DAMN FUNNY.
If the Guardian is right, the second dossier might prove interesting. They say it was written by an associate of Sid Blumenthal, the infamous Clinton dirty-hands liar and fraudster who was not even trusted by Barack Obama.
The Guardian suggests that either the second dossier had the same sources as Superspy Christopher Steele (i.e. Russian Intelligence) which is possible, or that the so-called second Trump dossier was actually a source for the so-called first Trump dossier.
Surprisingly, Superspy Christopher Steele has not clarified the issue. He supposedly brought products of both dossiers to the FBI.
It smells. If it is true, it invalidates everything Superspy Christopher Steele says. And it casts a shadow of corruption over every Obama official who used it as an excuse to surveil their political opposition.
Both dossiers are products of Russian disinformation.
Interesting to think that Russia might have pushed the disinformation hoping it would blow up in the Clinton campaign's faces.
They never dream they succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.
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