Friday, February 2, 2018

From both the right and the left...

Release it all!
It looks like #ReleaseTheMemo, as the popular hashtag puts it, is a go. Per The Washington Post, a House Republican memo alleging FBI and Department of Justice malfeasance in the investigation into Russian involvement in the 2016 election is going to become public, over the objections of Democrats and the FBI and DOJ themselves. After some redactions from the Trump administration, the memo is being kicked back to the House for a Friday morning release, fulfilling the president's State of the Union hot mic moment that the memo will "100 percent" become public record.

A lot of folks on both the left and right ends of the political spectrum say that releasing the memo is unwise, and they have a decent case: They claim it will give President Donald Trump a freer hand in undermining the Russia investigation being led by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, providing Trump ammo with which to attack and maybe fire Mueller or those in the DOJ who are in charge of the whole thing, and installing cronies in their place. They say it's a partisan hit job against law enforcement with no relation to the actual facts of the Russia investigation. And they say that it'll undermine American intelligence gathering by divulging classified information.

The former claims are very likely true. The memo – authored by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes of California, an avowed Trump sycophant – is likely composed of partisan hackery meant to protect the president. (The specific allegation in the memo is reportedly that a warrant used to OK surveillance against a Trump associate during the 2016 campaign was secured via improper evidence, including the now infamous "Steele dossier," which included some quite salacious stuff, if you'll remember.

However, there's a way to go about this that doesn't involve burying information where the public can't see it: Releasing everything.

Now, certainly Mr Garofalo sees the underlying arguments differently than I do,  but we both agree that the best thing to do in this case is release the raw information, rather than just releasing competing memos.

Personally, I think there is way too much emphasis being places on how this will play out regarding the President and the Mueller investigation. There seems to be way too many people who are way too invested in this investigation (which as still uncovered nothing of substance).  If I didn't know any better, it's almost as if many people would openly choose to suppress information that puts the FBI or the DOJ in a bad light, for no other reason than such information might taint the Mueller investigation.

But if it's true, then it's true... and the country has a right to know. If (as is being alleged) there is evidence of political bias as it pertains to our highest law enforcement agencies, then that bias should be exposed. Moreover, anyone associated with such bias should be immediately terminated. We cannot have an FBI or DOJ that treats people differently based on their political affiliation. We certainly cannot have an FBI or DOJ attempting to put their fingers on the scale as it pertains to our own elections.

All of this is far more important than the reputation of one special counsel. The special counsel's job isn't one of public relations, but one of investigation.  Sure, if the job of special counsel was to tell us what he thought, then that person being seen in the highest light would be important. But that's not his job. If it boils down to special counsel providing us with opinions or theories, rather than direct evidence... then he didn't do his job. If the country is split on whether to believe his opinions, then that really tells us that the DOJ went about things wrong, they ultimately picked the wrong person, and that person went about things the wrong way. It has nothing to do with a memo.


41 comments:

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

(which as still uncovered nothing of substance).

What we know of. We have no idea what the Muller investigation has uncovered. You always have assumptions based upon??? Your wild ass guessing.

I have seen a lot of reasons, that the memo isn't going to give you a political orgasm.

The Democrats memo, after the necessary redactions, should be released within a week.

Anonymous said...

We have no idea what the Muller investigation has uncovered.
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yes we do. we have a pre-trump indictment of manafort, popadop got drunk and ran his mouth, and flynn pled guilty to a process crime.

it's been over a year and this is what mueller has, alky.

yawn.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

This is unprecedented CH and put forward for the first time in history, in a political argument is not based upon the truth, but the fear and anger that underlies the President's belief that the investigation is an existential threat to his Presidency CH.

You obviously cannot see the truth. We are divided into two groups of thought but mine is based upon the truth.

Roger Amick said...

James Boswell of Normal, Illinois is a pedophile.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...
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Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

rrb, when you tried to be a smartass, you didn't know that I could delete your stupid Roger Amick spam.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Oh boy, you used it as a reply. Your obsession with me is evidence that I'm kicking you fat ass.

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Blogger Roger Amick said...
rrb, when you tried to be a smartass, you didn't know that I could delete your stupid Roger Amick spam.
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what the fuck are you talking about alky?

are your delusions acting up again?

rrb said...

i (think) that beaners men woman and children should be shot dead and left the at the border. alky would be tears

Anonymous said...

You obviously cannot see the truth. We are divided into two groups of thought but mine is based upon the truth.
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alky, yours is based upon the denial of the fact that 0linsky weaponized his DOJ and FBI to investigate president, then candidate, trump.

at this point i'm just curious to see which deep state scumbag offers to roll over in exchange for immunity.

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Blogger Roger Amick said...
Oh boy, you used it as a reply. Your obsession with me is evidence that I'm kicking you fat ass.
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wut???



C.H. Truth said...

Roger - Two things:

1) We get leaks everyday from the Mueller investigation. We knew several days before the Manafort indictment came, that Mueller was going to announce an indictment. We hear about who he is interviewing, what he is interviewing about, and almost ad nauseum what he is "closing in on". We hear about possible evidence, we hear about potential flippers, we hear about all sorts of things. But those who know when Mueller last took a crap (and what color it was) and are willing to leak it... have not leaked a single thing that suggests that there is any evidence.

What we do know is that Comey admitted under oath that the FBI had not uncovered anything. Strzok (one of the major players in that investigation) openly texted that there was no there there. As of today, we have no evidence of anything.

Mueller may have hidden evidence of collusion with the Russians. He might also have hidden evidence of collusion with Martians. He might have hidden evidence that Trump is a cross dressing prostitute in his spare time. He might have evidence of you getting fall down drunk last Tuesday.

But what he "might have" is speculation. What we "know" right now is that no evidence was uncovered by the FBI, no evidence has been uncovered by either the Senate or House investigations, and so far nobody has been able to leak a single shread of evidence from this investigation.


2) Stop calling James a pedophile.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Nunes refused to answer questions about whether the White House aided his staffers in drafting the memo, but the latest reports suggest that Trump, at least, was not initially part of any scheme to distract from Mueller’s investigation. The president just got swept away by promises of a bombshell memo, along with other devoted Hannity viewers.

We do not get leaks. Claims by the White House and the worst chairman of intelligence committee make claims. They are not leaks.

But what you "might have" is speculation.

I never called James a pedophile.

C.H. Trump said...

I never called James a pedophile.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

That's how difficult it is. I used it once and you deleted it.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Proof that you have lost your mind.


"Mueller may have hidden evidence of collusion with the Russians. He might also have hidden evidence of collusion with Martians. He might have hidden evidence that Trump is a cross dressing prostitute in his spare time. He might have evidence of you getting fall down drunk last Tuesday."

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Blogger Roger Amick said...
Proof that you have lost your mind.
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point out where he's wrong, alky. precisely where he's wrong. put up a post, in your own words, that details all of the things VCH got wrong in his post.

obviously you disagree. please explain why and exactly how you arrive at a different conclusion.

i ask this because your pigeon chess routine has become overly-boorish, and i was hoping that you possessed the intellectual horsepower to lay out an opposing viewpoint in excruciating detail.


Commonsense said...

Nunes refused to answer questions about whether the White House aided his staffers in drafting the memo

That's a lie perpetuated by the Daily Beast. The transcripts themselves show Nunes denied any involvement by the White House.

C.H. Truth said...

That's a lie perpetuated by the Daily Beast. The transcripts themselves show Nunes denied any involvement by the White House.

transcripts scramscripts. He refused to give the "correct" answer to the questions posed... therefore, he refused to answer "correctly". It's not that far off from real logic.

James, citing evidence, said...



Trump attacks the FBI and Justice Department as the war over the memo and Russia investigation heat up

President Donald Trump attacked the leadership of the FBI and Justice Department on Twitter on Friday morning.

He said they had "politicized the sacred investigative process in favor of Democrats."

Trump has been attacking key figures in investigations into whether his campaign colluded with Russia or whether he obstructed justice during the first investigation.

President Donald Trump attacked the leadership of the FBI and Justice Department on Twitter on Friday morning, saying they had "politicized the sacred investigative process in favor of Democrats."

"The top Leadership and Investigators of the FBI and the Justice Department have politicized the sacred investigative process in favor of Democrats and against Republicans - something which would have been unthinkable just a short time ago. Rank & File are great people!" Trump tweeted.

Trump's attack on the FBI investigators and Justice Department's leader, WHOM HE APPOINTED, comes after a week filled of heated debate over the release of a memo that Republicans say indicates an FBI bias against Trump.

In a later tweet, Trump quoted Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, a conservative organization, saying: "You had Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party try to hide the fact that they gave money to GPS Fusion to create a Dossier which was used by their allies in the Obama Administration to convince a Court misleadingly, by all accounts, to spy on the Trump Team."

The memo allegedly suggests that FBI and DOJ officials relied on politically motivated sources, namely the infamous dossier that both Republicans and Democrats funded at different times as opposition research into Trump to justify spying on members of Trump's team.

Earlier this week, Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee voted to release the memo to the public despite strong opposition from Democrats and Justice Department officials.

On Wednesday, the FBI made a rare public statement warning against the memo's release, citing "grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo's accuracy."

Arguably, TRUMP HAS DONE AS MUCH TO POLITICIZE bipartisan investigations into Russia's meddling in the US's 2016 presidential election AS ANYONE. Many experts DISMISS recent attempts to open investigations into the FBI's handling of Hillary Clinton's use of personal servers for government business as a PARTISAN ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT THE FBI.

But while Trump is widely seen as trying to smear key figures in investigations against him, special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into the Trump campaign appears to be HEATING UP.

Investigators now have evidence that ON THREE SEPARATE OCCASIONS, Trump tried to pin down the loyalty of a top law-enforcement official looking into his campaign, possibly implicating Trump in an OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE case.

C.H. Truth said...

point out where he's wrong, alky. precisely where he's wrong. put up a post, in your own words, that details all of the things VCH got wrong in his post.

Well I am wrong because Roger "says so" and because Roger believes that if you are not part of the "resistance" that you must be suckered in by the concept that Donald Trump is actually President and should be treated as such.

In spite of not starting WWIII, not deporting tens of millions, not wrecking the economy, not rounding up minorities and putting them in containment camps, and not causing a myriad of constitutional crisis... Roger firmly believes that Trump is "dangerous".

Remember... to every crazy paranoid person, the lack of evidence is only proof of a cover up.

commie said...

Amazing, the clown in chief trying to dismantle law and order from the top down....Yep, what is he so afraid of if nothing was done wrong....My guess, the shoe will soon drop showing him\ to be a bernie madoff of realestate....

President escalates attacks on FBI leadership, claims agency favors Democrats
The tweets — in which Trump accused FBI and Justice Department leaders of politicizing “the sacred investigative process” — came hours before the expected release of a memo alleging surveillance abuses by the bureau.

C.H. Truth said...

Investigators now have evidence that ON THREE SEPARATE OCCASIONS, Trump tried to pin down the loyalty of a top law-enforcement official looking into his campaign, possibly implicating Trump in an OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE case.

Asking employees to be loyal to whom they work for... is obstruction of justice, huh? Not only that, it's OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE in capital letters!!

Coo-coo Coo-coo

Anonymous said...

Investigators now have evidence that ON THREE SEPARATE OCCASIONS, Trump tried to pin down the loyalty of a top law-enforcement official looking into his campaign, possibly implicating Trump in an OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE case.
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well, fortunately for all of us pederast, the release of the memo will reveal that the DOJ and FBI were actively working AGAINST trump. both as a candidate AND as president.

it's not obstruction of justice to ask those who are working against you if they really are.

your desperation is duly noted.

you must be schiffing your pants right now.

commie said...

CH posted another lie....

Mueller may have hidden evidence of collusion with the Russians

CH has lost his mind.....All he has posted is s sycophants opinion that has no basis in reality...Just like the GW are wrong and unable to show me which ones are in error and how are they wrong. he moves on to claiming there is a dark society at the FBI and DOJ led by trump appointees....wow....sure takes a lot of sticking ones head up trumps ass to smell that one....LOL

C.H. Truth said...

Amazing, the clown in chief trying to dismantle law and order from the top down....

I got a feeling that Christopher Wray is on board and staying. After all, it was apparently Wray who decided (after viewing the memo and IG reports) that McCabe had to go.

One has to assume that it takes a while to bring down people in an organization like the FBI... even with good cause. It would take a major revelation of unethical (or even illegal) behavior to force someone out (who otherwise wants to stay). Probably a lot of paperwork, reviews, warnings, etc.

Wray has been on the job just a few months now. There is no reason (as of today) to believe he is part of the problem, rather than part of the solution. Who he chooses (and why) to promote moving forward will tell us what sort of Director he will be. I doubt we will see anyone seen as partisan or biased moving quickly through the ranks for a while.

commie said...

he release of the memo will reveal that the DOJ and FBI were actively working AGAINST trump. both as a candidate AND as president.

Or will show Nunes and you to be wild eyed dreamers.....YAWN!!!

commie said...

I got a feeling that Christopher Wray is on board and staying.

And I got a feeling you are talking out your ass again....and so what....he's not the target.

Commonsense said...

So you should have no objection about the memos' release.

What are you afraid of?

Anonymous said...

That's a lie perpetuated by the Daily Beast. The transcripts themselves show Nunes denied any involvement by the White House.
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indeed. and mollie hemingway spells it out in great detail. betsy woodruff and spencer ackerman are liars:

http://thefederalist.com/2018/01/31/transcript-shows-the-daily-beast-peddled-fake-news-about-devin-nunes/



Commonsense said...

Memo released:

Key Finding: The FISA warrants would not have been issued without the Steele dossier.

Commonsense said...

Katie Pavlich Verified account @KatiePavlich
3m3 minutes ago

All along, it was the Clinton campaign, some in Obama's DOJ and Fusion GPS that were colluding with a foreign entity to influence the election. The exact thing they've accused the Trump campaign of doing, they are guilty of.

commie said...

Mr. Trump and other Republicans argue that the economy will also benefit from the recently passed tax law. They point to recent announcements from Walmart and other companies, which have cited tax savings in their decisions to raise wages and pay out bonuses to workers. Many economists are skeptical of such claims, regarding them as timely public relations moves. But they say the tax cuts should provide at least a modest addition to economic growth in coming years — although probably not enough to let the law pay for itself, as its backers have promised.

Katie is pretty cute for a righty....and I'm sure she will post the truth on townhill if she ever finds it....LOL

commie said...

The FISA warrants would not have been issued without the Steele dossier.

And if you had a brain.....you would know that is not the only thing that got the warrant...idiot

Commonsense said...

If you had a brain you would know that the dossier was the central part of the application.

Without it, there would be no warrant.

Everything else is just window dressing.

James said...

Asking employees to be loyal to whom they work for... is obstruction of justice, huh? Not only that, it's OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE in capital letters!!

Coo-coo Coo-coo
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Well, coo coo Ch. When a president under investigation tries to get the investigation shut down, called off, terminated -- yep, that constitutes OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE in most people's legal understanding.

Anonymous said...

When a president under investigation tries to get the investigation shut down, called off, terminated
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except trump has done none of those things, pederast.

not one.


James said...

Ch "Truth" previously said:

"Asking employees to be loyal to whom they work for... is obstruction of justice, huh? Not only that, it's OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE in capital letters!!

Coo-coo Coo-coo"
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I, James, answered:
Well, coo coo Ch. When a President under investigation in his capacity as President of the United States, sworn to uphold the Constitutin and the laws, tries to get the investigation shut down, called off, terminated -- yep, that constitutes OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE in most people's legal understanding.

February 2, 2018 at 1:03 PM
Blogger rrb said...

"except trump has done none of those things, pederast.

not one."
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I James now say:

Racist Rat (who calls himself Republican Rat Bastard (rrb) really is a racist, while I am neither a pederast nor a pedophile (as he well knows, or he would report me to church and government authorities for legal action).

I do not report him as a racist because that is not against the law, unless criminally acted upon.

Racist Rat says that Trump has not "shut down, called off, [or] terminated" the investigation.

True. He only TRIED. As President of the United States he is sworn to uphold the Constitution and the laws, yet he directly and officially asked people in authority to do just that -- shut down, call off, terminate the investigation.

And that legally constitutes an OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.

Commonsense said...

Really James? How exactly has he tried?

James said...

Blogger rrb said...
Racist Rat says that Trump has not "shut down, called off, [or] terminated" the investigation.

True. He only TRIED.
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he only tried, eh?

show us the evidence of that pederast.




"yet he directly and officially asked people in authority to do just that -- shut down, call off, terminate the investigation."


uh no, actually he did not. if he had, mueller would've had trump indicted by now. especially since mueller has nothing at all on trump after jerking off for over a year.

nice try though.

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February 2, 2018 at 1:34 PM
Blogger Loretta said...
"show us the evidence of that pederast."

LOL, the pedo has nothing.

February 2, 2018 at 1:45 PM

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James said...
Mueller is gathering evidence that he did just that. And later fired FBI Director Comey because he did not do what he asked. And later he even bragged about doing that to Russian officials in order to shut down the investigation (he thought!).

Quite a bit of evidence. When Mueller moves, it will be, I suspect, with even more.

But nice try, racist rodent.

James said...

February 2, 2018 at 1:29 PM
Blogger Commonsense said...
Really James? How exactly has he tried?

February 2, 2018 at 1:34 PM
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JAMES: I answered that for you above, Commena.