A 37-page indictment issued by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s team on Friday brings fresh American attention to one of the strangest elements of alleged Russian interference in the 2016 election: The Internet Research Agency (IRA), a state-sponsored “troll factory” in St. Petersburg.
But much of the information Mueller published on Friday about the agency’s efforts to influence the election had already been published last October — in an article by a Russian business magazine, RBC.
In a 4,500-word report titled “How the 'troll factory' worked the U.S. elections,” journalists Polina Rusyaeva and Andrey Zakharov offered the fullest picture yet of how the “American department” of the IRA used Facebook, Twitter and other tactics to inflame tensions ahead of the 2016 vote. The article also looked at the staffing structure of the organization and revealed details about its budget and salaries.If you read the WaPo article, it would appear that Mueller simply took most every person mentioned in the previously publicized RBC report and named them in the indictment. According to the article, some of the people mentioned were no more than low level employees who left the company in 2014, before much of this took place.
So while we have been led to believe that this indictment was the end result of high level American intelligence, it would appear that it's not much more than some simple follow up on known information. In essence, Mueller simply chose to bring indictments for what has been previously alleged by other people. Indictments that have zero chance of arrests, trials, or convictions.
This would parrot a similar theme with Mueller indicting Paul Manafort for old allegations that he had previously been investigated for (but never charged). Similarly both the original George Papadopoulos and General Flynn misleading statement charges happened prior to the Mueller assignment. It makes you wonder why neither had previously been charged by the FBI for misleading statements?
So it's certainly very fair to ask. Is Mueller and his probe actually doing any true investigation, or are they simply combing through existing intelligence looking to find people to charge with crimes? Perhaps that is what you can expect, when you put a team of federal prosecutors in charge of what had been a counterintelligence investigation?
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Has Mueller actually uncovered anything so far?
Yep, that idiots will believe any BS that trump tweets....The conflation of the FBI ignoring the floriduh shooter because of the russian thingy is beyond stupid, even for you CH>..
Your obsession with protecting the President from harm is a failure, as is the President.
David Frum says the truth. He is a failure saw the President of the United States Of America and for which it stands. The only thing he cares about, is himself.
From that position of power, Trump has systematically attempted to shut down investigations of the foreign-espionage operation that operated on his behalf. He fired the director of the FBI to shut it down. His White House coordinated with the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee to misdirect the investigation. He mobilized the speaker of the House to thwart bipartisan investigations under broadly respected leadership. He has inspired, supported, and joined a national propaganda campaign against the Mueller investigation.
And all the while, Trump has done nothing—literally nothing—to harden the nation’s voting systems against follow-on Russian operations. On Sunday, he publicly repudiated his own national-security adviser for acknowledging at the Munich Security Conference the most incontrovertible basics of what happened in 2016.
It’s worth thinking about what a patriotic president would have done in Trump’s situation. He would be leading the investigation himself. He would be scouring his own campaign—doing everything in his power to reassure the country that whatever the Russians may or may not have done, his government owed Putin nothing. He would have imposed penalties on Russia for their outrageous acts—rather than protecting Russia from penalties voted by Congress. Above all, he would be leading the demand for changes to election laws and practices, including holding Facebook to account for its negligence.
At every turn, Trump has failed to do what a patriotic president would do—failed to put the national interest first. He has left the 2018 elections as vulnerable as the 2016 elections to Russian intervention on his behalf.
https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/553667/?__twitter_impression=true
Trump continues to insist that he and his campaign team did not collude with Russia in the 2016 election. We know that they were ready and eager to collude—that’s on the public record. (“If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.”) The public does not yet know whether the collusion actually occurred, and if so, in what form and to what extent. But in front of our very eyes we can observe that they are leaving the door open to Russian intervention on their behalf in the next election. You might call it collusion in advance—a dereliction of duty as grave as any since President Buchanan looked the other way as Southern state governments pillaged federal arsenals on the eve of the Civil War.
Trump will join Buchanan on the Wall of Shame of the worst President in history. Let us hope that he does not succeeded in putting the United States in mortal danger.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Your obsession with protecting the President from harm is a failure, as is the President..
LOL. goddamn you are dense.
we're just trying to afford trump what you would deny him - due process. plus, if mueller wants to question him a good first step is to formally provide him with what he's being accused of. "collusion" and "meddling" doesn't cut it.
this whole fucking charade is because your candidate lost. perhaps it's you who is trying to protect your failed candidate from harm, as there are farm more misdeeds she can rightfully be accused of than trump.
you guys really need to start being careful what you wish for, alky. all your hope seems to hinge on the next report, the next indictment, the next accusation and the next arrest.
we never seem to get all the way to where you guys need to be. we're two years in and you're basically standing there with your thumb in your ass.
Roger...
This has nothing to do with the President.
This has everything to do with the Mueller investigation and whether or not he is actually investigating anything, or just trying to come up with excuses to prosecute people for actions that the FBI originally didn't find criminal.
All of this happened with President Obama on watch. How come he failed as the pres. To protect and defend the Republic.
He said when asked that the Russians stop when he told them to "cut it out".
He is a failure saw the President of the United States Of America and for which it stands.
Opiates this early?
Even further, Paul Manafort, whom you disregard his behavior both before and during the campaign, is going to be under further pressure to testify to the grand jury.
The former top aide to Donald Trump's presidential campaign will plead guilty to fraud-related charges within days — and has made clear to prosecutors that he would testify against Paul Manafort, the lawyer-lobbyist who once managed the campaign.
The change of heart by Trump's former deputy campaign manager Richard Gates, who had pleaded not guilty after being indicted in October on charges similar to Manafort's, was described in interviews by people familiar with the case.
"Rick Gates is going to change his plea to guilty,'' said a person with direct knowledge of the new developments, adding that the revised plea will be presented in federal court in Washington "within the next few days.''
Mueller is heading the prosecutions of Gates and Manafort as part of the wide-ranging investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election and whether Trump or his aides committed crimes before, during or since the campaign.. Aka the"witch hurt."
The imminent change of Gates' plea follows negotiations over the last several weeks between Green and two of Mueller's prosecutors – senior assistant special counsels Andrew Weissmann and Greg D. Andres.
The delicate terms reached by the opposing lawyers, he said, will not be specified in writing: Gates "understands that the government may move to reduce his sentence if he substantially cooperates, but it won't be spelled out.''
One of the final discussion points has centered on exactly how much cash or other valuables — derived from Gates' allegedly illegal activity — that the government will require him to forfeit as part of the guilty plea.
Gates, 45, who is married with four children, does not appear to be well positioned financially to sustain a high-powered legal defense.
The Oct. 27 indictment showed that prosecutors had amassed substantial documentation to buttress their charges that Manafort and Gates — who were colleagues in political consulting for about a decade — had engaged in a complex series of allegedly illegal transactions rooted in Ukraine. The indictment alleged that both men, who for years were unregistered agents of the Ukrainian government, hid millions of dollars of Ukraine-based payments from U.S. authorities.
According to the indictment, Gates and Manafort "laundered the money through scores of United States and foreign corporations, partnerships and bank accounts'' and took steps to evade related U.S. taxes.
If Manafort maintains his not-guilty plea and fights the charges at a trial, the testimony from Gates could provide Mueller's team with first-person descriptions of much of the allegedly illegal conduct. Gates' testimony, said a person familiar with the pending guilty plea, would place a "cherry on top'' of the government's already formidable case against Manafort.
The same individual said he did not believe Gates has information to offer Mueller's team that would "turn the screws on Trump.'' The president has repeatedly called the special counsel's investigation a "witch hunt." You also have been claiming that the investigation a "witch hunt"
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-rick-gates-plea-deal-20180218-story.html
Fake News, alky, lost it, etc off topic, just like investigation, etc
>Claiming that the investigation is just a reason to protect the FBI from criticism, is just exactly what the President has been saying, and as usual, you are following orders. That's just a total falsehood. This is an investigation into the Russian government intervention into our elections. That matters.
Get a grip.
We know that they were ready and eager to collude—that’s on the public record. (“If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.”
Boy your tin hat is showing. That is not proof of anything.
Inside the Russian Troll Factory
The Washington Post spoke to Marat Mindiyarov, one of the 13 Russians indicted by special counsel Robert Mueller last week, who described what it was like at the “troll factory” where he worked:
______________
I arrived there, and I immediately felt like a character in the book 1984 by George Orwell — a place where you have to write that white is black and black is white. Your first feeling, when you ended up there, was that you were in some kind of factory that turned lying, telling untruths, into an industrial assembly line. The volumes were colossal — there were huge numbers of people, 300 to 400, and they were all writing absolute untruths. It was like being in Orwell’s world.
My untruths amounted to posting comments. I worked in the commenting department — I had to comment on the news. No one asked me my opinion. My opinions were already written for me, and I had to write in my own words that which I was ordered to write.
__________________
Gosh. Sounds like something other than "fake news" was going on, doesn't it?
Washington Post: “In a string of 10 Twitter messages — which began after 11 p.m. Saturday and ended around noon Sunday, and which included profanity and misspellings — Trump opened a window into his state of mind.”
___________
Ripe for a straight jacket?
Mueller is heading the prosecutions of Gates and Manafort as part of the wide-ranging investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election and whether Trump or his aides committed crimes before, during or since the campaign.. Aka the"witch hurt."
It is not an attempt to defend the FBI investigation. The Russians have been working on this since 2013, and the fact that this started before the 2016 election is irrelevant to the ongoing investigation into the Russian interference into our most important right of the people of the United States, have that right to elect their leaders. You obviously don't give a fuck.
What Led to Trump’s Weekend Twitter Tirade
“President Trump began the weekend believing that something good had just happened to him. An indictment leveled against 13 Russians for interfering with the 2016 election had not accused him or anyone around him of wrongdoing. ‘No collusion’ was his refrain,” the New York Times reports.
“But once ensconced at his Florida estate on Friday, Mr. Trump, facing long hours indoors as he avoided breezy rounds of golf after last week’s school shooting a few miles away, began watching TV.”
“The president’s mood began to darken as it became clearer to him that some commentators were portraying the indictment as nothing for him to celebrate… Those commentators called it proof that he had not won the election on his own… What followed was a two-day Twitter tirade that was unusually angry and defiant even by Mr. Trump’s standards.”
Whatever Trump is Hiding Is Hurting All of Us Now
Thomas Friedman: “President Trump is either totally compromised by the Russians or is a towering fool, or both, but either way he has shown himself unwilling or unable to defend America against a Russian campaign to divide and undermine our democracy.
“That is, either Trump’s real estate empire has taken large amounts of money from shady oligarchs linked to the Kremlin — so much that they literally own him; or rumors are true that he engaged in sexual misbehavior while he was in Moscow running the Miss Universe contest, which Russian intelligence has on tape and he doesn’t want released; or Trump actually believes Russian President Vladimir Putin when he says he is innocent of intervening in our elections — over the explicit findings of Trump’s own C.I.A., N.S.A. and F.B.I. chiefs.
“In sum, Trump is either hiding something so threatening to himself, or he’s criminally incompetent to be commander in chief.”
Inside the Russian Troll Factory
To affect the election in Pennsylvania, the Russian spent a grand total of $300.
Not 300 million, not 3 million, and not even 300 thousand.
$300.
There are similar figures for the other swing states.
All in all their budget was miniscule. It didn't appear to be very high on Putin's list of priorities.
Conservatives Urge Trump to Grant Pardons
“After months of criticizing special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia probe, President Trump’s supporters are issuing increasingly bold calls for presidential pardons to limit the investigation’s impact,” Politico reports.
“The pleas for mercy mainly extend to the four former Trump aides who have already been swept up in the Russia probe: former campaign manager Paul Manafort, former deputy campaign manager Rick Gates, former national security adviser Michael Flynn and former campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos. But they don’t stop there.”
Said conservative activist Larry Klayman: “I think he should pardon everybody — and pardon himself.”
YEAH, THAT SHOULD DO WONDERS FOR HIS POPULARITY (SARCASM)
At the rate this is going, the GOP is about to go down in history as the party that failed to impeach a president who should have been impeached for many reasons including incompetence.
Another day another dump of political_lire talking points dumped on the blog
What a fucking douche the "pastor" is.
Of course laughing at him is like laughing at mentally challenged individuals, Oh well.
ROFLMFAO !!!
8:44 Oh, so Putin WAS aware of this?
Then he's a liar.
Wouldn't it be interesting if "J's Fu*king Daddy"
could say ANYthing intelligent in response to all this?
Commensa at least tried (and failed). :-)
james, no one here reads your shit, they glance and move on or shake their head at you and your pathetic daily shit storm.
HAVE TOU EVER THOUGHT OF THINKING FOR YOURSELF?
of course not.
TOO LATE NOW
ROFLMFAO !!!
I never said Russia did not meddle in the election, I said “it may be Russia, or China or another country or group, or it may be a 400 pound genius sitting in bed and playing with his computer.” The Russian “hoax” was that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia - it never did!
4:33 AM - Feb 18, 2018
His own national security secretary said yesterday that the Muller investigation into the Russian investigation, has shown that the Russians did act to interfere in the 2016 election.
How many times has he said that it was a Witch Hunt? Tell us Coldheartedtruth how many times when he said that?
8:44 Oh, so Putin WAS aware of this?
Then he's a liar.
I was speaking of his government. It was such a small-time operation it is debatable that Putin himself would be aware of it.
However, I will concede the point that you really can't trust anything Putin says in public.
Commensa tries to backtrack. And fails.
ALSO, my posts are not mere political "talking points,"
but salient pieces from WaPo, NYT, Politico,
and observations from such individuals as
Larry Klayman, Thomas Friedman, and Marat Mindiyarov.
Sorry folks I'm not on drugs nor am I insane.
I post my own opinions. I also report the news, on this disaster of a Presidency.
And as I said for being a small-time operation it succeeded spectacularly beyond Russia's wildest dreams.
In no small part this was due to help from:
1. Barack Obama, Susan Rice and Samantha Power.
2. James Comey and his management team at the FBI.
3. The Hillary Clinton campaign.
4. Congressional Democrats.
5. The #Resist movement.
Everyone here knows james copies these posts from political_lire who aggregates democratic talking points and puts their spin on them.
You are either the dumbest POS on the planet or the most dishonest one.
Probably both.
ROFLMFAO !!!
Roger -
You act as if Robert Mueller actually came up with the Manafort Gates situation on his own. They had both been previously investigated for these exact crimes by the FBI. No charges were originally brought.
Mueller just decided to dig deeper, or possibly just indict with the same evidence that other FBI agents didn't deem worthy of an indictment. '
You can talk Manafort and Gates till you are blue in the face, and it still gets you no closer to "collusion".
In fact, the more the left rants and raves about charges unrelated to the 2016 election and collusion with Russia... the more it becomes evident that there isn't anything better to rant and rave about.
ALSO, my posts are not mere political "talking points," but salient pieces from WaPo, NYT, Politico,
As if there was a diffrence!! LOL!!!
ROGER ASKS:
How many times has Trump said that it was a Witch Hunt? Tell us Coldheartedtruth how many times when he said that?
JAMES SAYS:
Ch won't tell you, Roger, but the fact checker at WaPo has. FORTY-FIVE TIMES:
__________
Fact checker at WaPo:
According to The Fact Checker’s database of Trump claims, Trump in his first year as president then 44 more times denounced the Russian probe as a hoax or witch hunt perpetuated by Democrats.
9:05
Commensa omitted from his list the biggest helper of all:
DONALD J. TRUMP
So far Trump is right. The accusations of collusion have proven to be false and politically inspired.
I think that qualifies as a witch hunt.
Why is Trump so upset?
Is he afraid of being found out as the witch?
The witch hunt is the attempt to try and pin the charge of collusion between Trump and Russia in the 2016.
There is absolutely no evidence of that still.
There is evidence of collusion between Russian bad actors and Hillary. There should be charges there and the press should be leading the charge.
Now wonder CNN ratings are down 30% y-o-y.
Commensa omitted from his list the biggest helper of all:
DONALD J. TRUMP
Trump did not participate in any attempt to overthrow the legitimately elected president of the United States.
Trump did not disrupt the governing of the United States for 18 months with phony charges of collusion.
It was not Trump who handcuffed foreign policy with phoney questions of his legitimacy.
All these things were done by Democrats, and liberal journalist.
Q - Why do idiots smile so much?
A - Need to ask james
ROFLMFAO !!!
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Cable TV news is as popular as it has ever been and the biggest gainer of the big three cable networks is MSNBC.
The NBCU network grew its prime time audience by more than half a million viewers this year (+550,000) versus 2016. No other cable network saw that type of year-over-year total audience growth.
Why is Trump so upset?
Is he afraid of being found out as the witch?
Well he's upset because he was falsely accused as any normal person would be.
I know you can't understand that James because you were never falsely accused of anything.
Numerous commentators have stated that the Russian desire to sow discord, mayhem, and lies in our political system has been SPECTACULARLY aided by DONALD J. TRUMP. He helped them succeed beyond their wildest dreams.
There are several reports that say the American diplomats are telling the other world leaders to disregard the Twitter Storm yesterday, when he tweeted about 14 times in regards to the Muller investigation, foreign policy and tragically assaulted The FBI on the tragic school murders of 17 innocent people.
The "Fake News" Washington Post story about the tweet storm.
My conservative friends and enemies, should put aside your differences on politics and consider the possibility that he isn't mentally and intellectually honest and is a clear and present danger to the United States. Our own diplomats are telling the truth to our allies, in response to the tweet storm, and far beyond.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/02/18/fact-checking-trumps-error-filled-tweet-storm-about-the-russia-investigation/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_fact-checker-130pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.07dffb4af332
Falsely accused.
OMG
I didn't know Mueller had accused Trump of collusion.
Could you give us your source?
I thought there was just a professional investigation into seeing whether, among many other things, any collusion HAD taken place.
No need for an innocent "witch" to worry.
Numerous commentators have stated that the Russian desire to sow discord, mayhem, and lies in our political system has been SPECTACULARLY aided by DONALD J. TRUMP.
Are those the same commentators that keep saying RUSSIA!!! RUSSIA!!! RUSSIA!! and more to come?
They're over at the tin haberdashery getting fitted for their new hats.
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CNN???
Doth the witch protest too much?
Sounds like james and the pedophile label
You have lost it. You say that I'm insane, look at yourself.
Are those the same commentators that keep saying RUSSIA!!! RUSSIA!!! RUSSIA!! and more to come?
They're over at the tin haberdashery getting fitted for their new hats.
February 19, 2018 at 9:33 AM
For people who are not too bright:
My point is that CNN's loss has been MSNBC's gain.
Good trade, I say.
I thought there was just a professional investigation into seeing whether, among many other things, any collusion HAD taken place.
A little lesson in logic 101 James.
There wouldn't be a professional investigation into whether collusion had occurred unless there was an accusation collusion has occured.
That accusation was made by Democrat operatives and that accusation was false.
As pointed out, there is a more solid money trail that said the Clinton campaign colluded with the Russians.
James...
I don't know. Are allegations that you are a child abuser constitute a witch hunt... because we know that you protest way too much when that subject comes up. According to your own logic, your protesting proves your guilt.
You must be as guilty as Trump is, huh?
james you obviously are not too bright.
Fox is crushing MSNBC
Like everyone here does to you
ROFLMFAO !!!
You have lost it. You say that I'm insane, look at yourself.
Really Roger? Where's the evidence? Time to put up or shut up. No more "more to come".
Evidence? We don't need no stinking evidence.
Still waiting Roger and no more pointless speculation and unsubstantiated accusations.
Real evidence.
WP has this President serving his entire term.
Tweetweale Trump was too scared to meet these survivors of the murder of 17 in person. He's the classic definition of a frightened insecure bully. Instead he tweeted 13 times that are possibly going to be the demise of Trump.
"James
don't know. Are allegations that you are a child abuser constitute a witch hunt... because we know that you protest way too much when that subject comes up. According to your own logic, your protesting proves your guilt.
You must be as guilty as Trump is, huh?"
Wait for jane's response. Should be good.
There is more to come.
Catherine Lucey and Jonathan Lemire
Associated Press
President Donald Trump came face-to-face Friday with hospitalized victims of the horrific school shooting in Florida and offered thanks to the doctors and nurses who helped the wounded, declaring "the job they've done is incredible."
Asked if he'd talked with victims, Trump added: "I did indeed, and it's very sad something like that could happen."
Crippled Mentally
"Trump was too scared to meet these survivors of the murder of 17 in person. He's the classic definition of a frightened insecure bully. Instead he tweeted 13 times that are possibly going to be the demise of Trump.".
After paying their respects to medical professionals at Broward Health North Hospital, Trump and his wife, Melania, visited with law enforcement officials in Fort Lauderdale, where he told officers that he hoped they were "getting the credit" they deserved for their response to the shooting that left 17 dead and 14 injured.
"I was at the hospital with a lot of parents and they are really thankful for the job you've done," Trump said at the Broward County Sheriff's Office, where he was joined by Gov. Rick Scott, Sen. Marco Rubio and other Florida officials. He added that the young victims were in "really great shape" considering what they have been through."
US News & World Report.
There is more to come.
As I said, after 18 months of this nonsense we are getting tired of "more to come".
Put up now!!
He refused to meet up with the survivors of the massacre.
Gates just flipped to a guilty plea, to testify against Manafort. Presumably that means that Mueller has uncovered some information.
Russian Meddling in the 2016 election.
Agree
Justice department
CIA
FBI
Director of National intelligence
National Security Agency
H.R. McMaster
Senate Intelligence committee
Senator Chuck Grassley
Disagree.
President Trump
Russia
S.Scott Anonymous
CS
KD
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Mrs Alzheimer's
I report, you decide whom you choose to believe.
Watergate took over two years.
Mueller just decided to dig deeper, or possibly just indict with the same evidence that other FBI agents didn't deem worthy of an indictment. '
mueller's no fool. he knew from the beginning that he was going to need at least a couple of scalps to nail to the wall so he had something to show for all the time and resources spent. he's also smart enough to know that once these guys are in jail no one will remember that they were convicted of charges completely unrelated to trump. the media will perform their duty of never mentioning manafort or gates without the words "trump-russia investigation."
Crippled broken down Alky said.
He did not met with the suvivors.
Asked if he'd talked with victims, Trump added: "I did indeed, and it's very sad something like that could happen."
Anonymous wphamilton said...
Gates just flipped to a guilty plea, to testify against Manafort. Presumably that means that Mueller has uncovered some information.
what it means is that gates cannot afford the million $$$ it will take to fight this any further. kelly pleaded guilty for the same reason.
this is how this works, wp. the government draws a bead on someone and with unlimited time and financial resources they just grind down a person to a guilty plea to hopefully avoid financial ruin.
after two years i would like to think that mueller has investigated manafort back to the day he popped out of his mother's womb.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
There is more to come.
and you know this HOW, alky?
Blogger Roger Amick said...
He refused to meet up with the survivors of the massacre.
smart man. having to be there when someone throws a hysterical "do something!!!11!" temper tantrum is not dignified.
Have you heard the new talk if impeachment? Not Trump. Clarence Thomas.
Freakin amazing. The liberal left is out of control.
On Friday, Judge Emmet Sullivan issued an order in United States v. Flynn that, while widely unnoticed, reveals something fascinating: A motion by Michael Flynn to withdraw his guilty plea based on government misconduct is likely in the works.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/a5731bd4-b16d-3111-92d5-b46828debbc1/ss_michael-flynn%E2%80%99s-plea-reversal.html
The White House/ CHT scandal playbook:
1 - Lie
2 - Lie about lying
3 - Blame democrats and/or Obama/Hillary
4 - Lie about lying about the lie
5 - Rely on the next scandal to make people forget about the last
6 - Repeat
The White House/ CHT scandal playbook:
1) Drive Roger batshit crazy
2) Watch Roger act like a batshit crazy person
3) Drive Roger batchit crazy for calling him out on being batshit crazy.
4) Watch Roger have a meltdown.
5) Repeat
Rat the hole offers an opinion piece written by Byron York of the federalist as a hope that flynn withdraws his plea....Imagine that, mueller making the kind of mistake Byron conjures up.....Ny guess, rat hole has a better chance to fuck loretta than this guano occurring....
m/a5731bd4-b16d-3111-92d5-b46828debbc1/ss_michael-flynn%E2%80%99s-plea-reversal.html
Gates just flipped to a guilty plea, to testify against Manafort. Presumably that means that Mueller has uncovered some information.
Well, WP... you certainly presume much that is not alleged.
(off topic but james brought this up)
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More people watch Nickelodeon than MSNBC during the day ?
Probably just switching back and forth...
So Meuller would offer a plea deal, even though he does NOT have further information that he could use to prosecute someone else?
Interesting idea. Unlikely IMO, but interesting.
He probably just felt sorry for Gates, eh CH?
gates pleaded guilty because he's broke.
ironically, the guy who can afford to fight this is the guy they have yet to come up with anything to charge him with -
trump.
WP...
Did you read the actual report? It explains that Gates has agreed to a plea in exchange for testimony in the case against Manafort.
But I suppose things are "never" what they appear, correct?
Certainly there is a hidden meaning behind the agreement?
It must be that Gates has information about Trump collusion?
Couldn't be anything else? Like what they are reporting?
Former Secretary of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson said on MSNBC Monday morning that although the Obama administration knew of Russian hacking as early as summer of 2016, the administration did nothing initially out of concern for being labeled as “taking sides.”
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/19/obamas-dhs-sec-says-administration-knew-about-russian-hack-waited-to-tell-public-for-fear-of-label-as-taking-sides/
Yeah...
Not to mention that Robert Gates cannot afford the estimated 1.5 million dollars it would take to fight this case in court.
He is said to have agreed to serve 18 months in jail and forfeit some cash and valuables that would be deemed to be from the illegal activity.
The report also have specifically stated that there is no indication that Gates has any information regarding Trump or the collusion allegations.
Not to mention that Robert Gates cannot afford the estimated 1.5 million dollars it would take to fight this case in court.
that was why gen. kelly pleaded guilty. he was looking at a million just to defend himself against a fucking process crime. and now it's starting to look like someone on mueller's team was playing games.
if i'm mueller i'm going straight into rosenstein's office and telling him i quit because this is making me look like an idiot.
Rat...
He looks like a bully. Ruining people financially and sending them to prison, all in the grand hope that they might have the magic key to the collusion treasure.
WP and others like to say they have researched all of this. It takes very little research to know that Mueller and many others he has hired have been accused in the past of heavy handed prosecutorial decisions that have border on prosecutorial abuse or misconduct. Multiple members of this team have had previous charges tossed out for this very reason.
If the judge in the Flynn case ends up suspending a sentence or ever overturning the plea, it would actually fit right in with Mueller's history.
He blamed the FBI of negligence on the murder of 17 kids, because they were preoccupied with Russian intervention investigation.
He's a fucking sick son of a bitch .
They are spending too much time trying to prove Russian collusion with the Trump campaign - There is no collusion . Get back to the basics and make us all proud!
Morgan Williams
Oh my God. 17 OF MY CLASSMATES AND FRIENDS ARE GONE AND YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO MAKE THIS ALL ABOUT RUSSIA?? HAVE A DAMN HEART . You can keep all of your fake and meaningless " thoughts and prayers ".
Alky. So funny. Your high pitch crippled voice sounds le a manic teen girl.
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He blamed the FBI of negligence on the murder of 17 kids, because they were preoccupied with Russian intervention investigation.
He's a fucking sick son of a bitch .
he's not wrong, alky. your 'elite and esteemed' law enforcement unit has become nothing more than partisan muscle for the DNC. 17 kids died needlessly because the FBI was focused on 13 internet trolls.
from your own reuters story, alky:
The FBI has acknowledged it failed to act on a tip warning that the suspect, Nikolas Cruz, possessed a gun and the desire to kill. Cruz is charged with 17 murders at Parkland’s Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, near Ft. Lauderdale.
and the link:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting-trump-students/student-survivors-of-florida-shooting-slam-trump-over-fbi-tweets-idUSKCN1G20VO
the histrionics of a 16 year old child never solved anything.
Did you read the actual report? It explains that Gates has agreed to a plea in exchange for testimony in the case against Manafort.
Glad you finally figured that out ... I've told you that twice in this thread.
You don't think that his plea deal to testify against Manafort means that Mueller hasn't turned up any information. That makes absolutely no sense to me ... but then your other idea doesn't make sense either. (That only Russians being charged in the latest indictment means no Americans are involved in anything in Mueller's scope). So I guess that's par for the course.
He looks like a bully. Ruining people financially and sending them to prison, all in the grand hope that they might have the magic key to the collusion treasure.
he IS a bully. every act on his part so far has resulted in not much of anything. even kelly is seriously considering withdrawing his guilty plea. and it's been reported by some that gates is copping a guilty plea to roll over on manafort. it's been reported by others that he simply can't afford the criminal defense. occam's razor says follow the $$$, or lack thereof.
what could gates possibly have on manafort that mueller hasn't already uncovered?
You don't think that his plea deal to testify against Manafort means that Mueller hasn't turned up any information.
People familiar with the plea are stating that Gates is not offering Mueller any information on Trump or collusion. That he is just offering to testify against Manafort.
People cop pleas every day in our legal system. Are you equally confused by all of those other unrelated pleas, or just confused by this particular plea.
I guess I am not sure why taking this at face value "makes absolutely no sense" to you... It's like you hear this collusion dog whistle in everything that happens.
(That only Russians being charged in the latest indictment means no Americans are involved in anything in Mueller's scope)
Good straw man...
I certainly have not seen that argument, or made that argument.
I have only argued that Rod Rosenstein suggested twice in his press conference that no Americans had any knowledge of the events put forward in that indictment...
because many of you argued quite the opposite. That the Mueller indictment actually promoted the argument that Americans were co-conspirators and that there would be more indictments to come.
But we are now both in agreement.
As it pertains to the trolling farm, there was no evidence presented that any Americans were involved, and that assumption was echoed in the press conference by the Asst A.G. who is supervising the probe. In that particular area, the idea of collusion seems to be a dead end.
But of course, that doesn't preclude that "other" Russian involvement had knowing American citizens... we just have absolutely zero evidence of it at this point.
Rat the hole postulates.....
he's not wrong,
He is absolutely wrong!!!!! He conflated the shooting with the FBI investigating russia which is both baseless and dumber than you rat hole....You and CH deserve each other since you drink trumps semen by the bucket load....just adding more gas to the fire and you took the bait like the good little troll you are...
CH speaking out his ass again states without proof.....
research to know that Mueller and many others he has hired have been accused in the past of heavy handed prosecutorial decisions that have border on prosecutor
Since it is poesy to research, why are you too lazy to provide a couple of examples......It sure seems like it should be on the tip of your tongue...
Enron, maybe
I certainly have not seen that argument, or made that argument.
You make a similar mistake in your very next statement:
"I have only argued that Rod Rosenstein suggested twice in his press conference that no Americans had any knowledge of the events put forward in that indictment... "
That's NOT what he said. He does NOT say that no Americans had knowledge of the events. He said that the INDICTMENT does not allege that there are. This isn't semantics - these are vastly different.
He used the exact same wording, twice, and I believe it was deliberate with the intention that it be taken literally. Why else would he be so careful to always say "in this indictment" and "alleged by the indictment"? Why include those words at all, if he meant it as you believe? The indictment does not allege anything by any Americans. It doesn't mean that no Americans were involved.
WP...
Always arguing semantics.
This indictment was like 32 pages long. It told a very detailed intricate story. The Assistant Attorney General who is supervising the probe made it quite clear that there was not only no Americans with knowledge of the actions alleged in the indictment, but he even explained exactly "why" they felt confident that no Americans had knowledge.
While perhaps you are comfortable with double speak, and playing around with semantics, I find it very difficult to believe that the person in charge of all of this would get up in front of the general public (which he didn't have to do) and make the claims he did about Americans not being involved... unless they were not involved.
There is quite literally zero reason for him to basically go out (and as you are suggesting) try to deceive the public with a clever semantic double speak statement designed to fool us all.
I am not even sure "why" anyone would even consider that our A.A.G. in chare of all this would act in such an openly dishonest fashion that you are suggesting.
There would have been 101 different ways to leave it open for further action by Mueller. Why would he leave his own credibility open? If Americans were involved he will be labeled a liar, and I would offer that he would lose enough credibility that it would spill over onto the entire investigation.
Your reasoning... is wishful thinking.
Zero reason, WP. Absolutely none.
So when Rosenstien talks about what is "alleged in the indictment", and "charged in the indictment", you believe that he really means "whether or not in the indictment". Or you don't acknowledge that his words mean anything.
Got it. Your version of "reason": any logical refutation of your mistaken assumptions is "semantics".
WP...
I watched his Press Conference.
There was no doubt what he said.
There was no doubt what he didn't say.
There is no doubt that he meant.
WP...
Explain not just why "you" believe that he was using some semantic code that simply sounded like something it wasn't...
But explain the reasoning for why the Asst Attorney General would make the conscious decision to get up in front of the Country, state twice that there was no allegations that any Americans were part of this, and even explained why no Americans were part of it...
If there "are" Americans involved?
Are you thinking he is going to jump out from behind a curtain laughing maniacally and yell... Ha! fooled you all!
I mean seriously, with all the ways this particular point could have been completely avoided, why would he make the point to even bring up whether or not Americans were involved.
Obviously we can read the indictment and know that no American have been charged. He didn't need to confirm that with any sort of statement. His statement was about the lack of other involvement by Americans.
So, tell me "why" he would use the sort of semantic double speak you believe he made? Accepting the fact that nearly everyone has taken his statements at face value.... exactly as I take them?
CH I just look at the plain language of what he said. The plain language was that nothing in the indictment alleged that Americans were part of that troll scheme. Nothing more, nothing less.
Seems that you're insisting that taking Rosenstein at face value is somehow illogical or "semantic quibbling".
FWIW the lawyer I linked to earlier makes exactly the same point. She is at Yale now, lecturing on law, and formerly in the FBI as a Special Investigator, so it's not "just WP against the world". Who are you relying on, Trump's press secretary?
The plain language was that nothing in the indictment alleged that Americans were part of that troll scheme. Nothing more, nothing less.
Considering that the indictment was a thirty two page summary of the overall trolling scheme provided in fairly significant detail... then we are in agreement at what it means.
WP...
I am curious about something.
If you say that the words "alleged in this indictment" is some sort of legal double speak that is specific to leaving open the possibility that Americans are actually involved in the scheme, but just not mentioned in this indictment.
How would that also apply to the fact he uses the exact same wording to say that the scheme did not alter the results of the election? Is he also leaving open the possibility that there are other parts of the scheme that "did" alter the results of the election, but were for whatever reasons left out of the indictment? Does that seem like it would make any sense?
But he does use the same wording twice.... all while giving the clear indication that the indictment is inclusive of the facts of the scheme. Do you believe that he uses the words in one case to mean one thing and in the other case it's more straight forward?
Just curious.
"If you say that the words "alleged in this indictment" is some sort of legal double speak that is specific to leaving open the possibility that Americans are actually involved in the scheme, but just not mentioned in this indictment."
It means that he refers to that specific indictment, and makes no comment about Americans not listed in the indictment.
How could you possibly think it means anything else?
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