Tuesday, February 6, 2018

Will the President sit down with Robert Mueller for a nice friendly chat?

With the rumors circulating that Special Counsel wants to interview the President, everyone and their brother has come up with opinions on whether or not he will (or should) agree to an interview.


My own knee jerk reaction was a fairly quick conclusion that he would do so, if for no other reasons than it would be the best public relations move with the general public. The President "not" agreeing to an interview will obviously be taken by many that he is "hiding" something. I also get a sense that this Special Counsel concluding without an interview with the President will ultimately feel less than "finished".

But I generally must confess that some of the arguments to the contrary are swaying me in the other direction. Most importantly, the arguments that I find compelling are coming from attorneys or people within the legal community, who quite obviously know this subject better than I.

To some degree it's a matter of weighing the upside vs the downside.

The upside to agreeing to an interview is mostly political. It would give the feeling that the President is open. forthright, and confident. There would be more "finality" to the process, and it would move more people past the entire affair.

The downside is that any interview with a group of experienced investigators and prosecutors could be little more than a perjury trap, with the sole attempt to get the President to say something "misleading".  Certainly that is the pitfall of the Mueller team charging two Trump associates with "making false statements". It becomes a warning to all others that prosecution is willing to push "process crimes" even in areas that are not necessarily the focus of the investigation. Had neither Papadopoulos or Flynn been charged with a process crime, it's unlikely that the President's lawyers would be pushing as hard to resist.

The upside of not agreeing to an interview would be that Mueller is either forced to back off the request or show his hand. If he wants to get a grand jury subpoena to talk to the President, he needs to either show probable cause that the President has committed a crime or show that the President will provide information that he cannot garner anywhere else. Ultimately, a refusal by the President and his attorneys is also a signal that they would be willing to fight a subpoena (all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary). The last thing Mueller would want is for a Court to rule that he has no due cause to even question the President. If he legally has no cause to question, he certainly has no cause to suggest the President committed a crime.

The downside of not agreeing is the optics. People will argue and many will believe that the President has something to hide. From that standpoint, Mueller could decide not to press things to a Grand Jury, play a bit of the martyr, and provides a somewhat empty P.R. win for his team. The other downside is the possibility that Mueller takes it a grand jury, garners the subpoena, and is able to successfully fight off any court challenges.

Many legal analyst are suggesting that the President is better off resisting a voluntary sit down interview. The argument is that the bar to garner a grand jury subpoena to interview a sitting President should be very high. Moreover, there is a feeling that Mueller is not ready to declare that the President is under criminal investigation, and that Mueller knows he would have a tough time convincing a series of judges that the interview is legally necessary to acquire otherwise unacquirable information.

As a compromise (to a avoid a fight that neither side probably wants) they may agree to have some form or written questions and answers as previous Presidents have done in similar circumstances. Another possibility would be the President and his attorneys be provided a full list of the questions that would be asked prior to an interview and that they agree to only answer those questions. Both of these options would appear to satisfy the Special Counsel's need to get answers, while simultaneously satisfying the President's legal team concern that the request for an interview is a perjury trap.


110 comments:

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Good points.

The truth is, and you know that I am right, that he could avoid perjury without telling a lie. But the truth would result in #impeachment.

Myballs said...

It'll be written questions. Just like all the other presidents.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Even this Supreme Court would force him to comply with the subpoena to testify before the grand jury.

Unless he is completely innocent as you believe , he's in a conendrum. He probably will face impeachment

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Clinton was given the option of written questions.

His 100% comments are going to have a political cost, except of course, with the base of the Coldheartedtruth etc.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I think that his lawyers will accept written questions. We don't know what Mueller has, so predicting is difficult.

James said...

One of the problems is that Trump himself "mouthed off" (as he so often does!) about how very willing he is to be interviewed by Mueller, actually welcoming the chance to do so. He said he was looking forwards to it and would gladly be interviewed under oath.

Anonymous said...

When you don't get Trump removed from office, when what?

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Another opinion. (Moreover, there is a feeling that Mueller is not ready to declare that the President is under criminal investigation,)

If there is not a criminal investigation, we would not be discussing this situation .

Commonsense said...

I don't think Trump faces that much of a political cost if he refuses to face Mueller.

As Roger said, his base will stay with him.

What Roger didn't say is the people who hate him were not support him anyway.

And the other people who don't even care about this issue would not care one way or the other.

Commonsense said...

There have been criminal special console investigations without a crime before.

See Plame, Valerie.

Anonymous said...

Republicans to release a series of Memo's.

Anonymous said...

False.

"If there is not a criminal investigation, we would not be discussing this situation ." ALL HAT NO CATTLE HB

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Who would be President?

Hillary Clinton runs for a seat in the house of representatives, the Democrats win the majority and Clinton is elected the speaker of the house. The Democratic congress, impeaches President Pence, and Hillary Rodham Clinton is the next in the line of succession ,becomes the President .

FYI this is not the rants of a drunken drug addicted mad man. 😁

Anonymous said...

Yesterday Dow move as a % of loss is no biggy.

Liberals cheering correction because the believe it hurts this President. But are they saying this down turn is Obamas? You know as they said the rises were because of prez*.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

If he faces Mueller, and comes away clear and innocent, it's acceptable. You believe that the only motivation for the investigation, is hatred. It's not. The Russians were working to influence the most important right guaranteed is to elect our leaders.

If he's clean, the deal is closed.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Your ignorance would fill a swimming pool .

"Moreover, there is a feeling that Mueller is not ready to declare that the President is under criminal investigation,"

Mueller would not be investigating a criminal investigation, he would have closed it down , long ago.

cowardly king obama said...

The only apparent evidence is that the Hillary campaign actively engaged the Russians in composing the Steele dossier. I guess we can agree that if true she should be in jail?

And why would Trump have different interview conditions than Hillary?

And why the hammers smashing verifiable and traceable evidence?

So many questions, no good answers

7 more years if this

ROFLMFAO

cowardly king obama said...

Market bouncing all over the place, down 500, up 300, down 200, up 100 etc etc.

Appears nervous but calming...

jmo

wphamilton said...

It would be foolish for Trump to voluntarily submit to questioning by Mueller. Even if he demanded and received the Hillary kid-gloves treatment, there's almost no upside and a lot more traps for a guy like Trump than just "perjury trap." I do not think it will happen.

As far as the "optics" of Trump "clearing the air" in a friendly sit-down, that's a non-starter. He's a Prosecutor questioning a criminal suspect, and that's as far the "optics" will take that. Trump has no reason to submit to that. Trump should say, just like anyone else would: "Make your case, if you ever HAVE a case, convince some Court to agree with you, and then we'll see about it. Until then, go take a hike."

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

With President Trump’s history of contradictions and false statements, his lawyers are said to be worried that he could open himself up to charges of lying to investigators.
If Mr. Trump refuses to talk to the special counsel in the Russia investigation, Robert S. Mueller III, it could set up a prolonged court battle.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/05/us/politics/trump-lawyers-special-counsel-interview.html

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

President Trump’s lawyers are urging him to avoid an interview with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III because he is a pathological liar who cannot be trusted to refrain from telling falsehoods to investigators.

wp, he would be indicted.

Myballs said...

I don't think he ever intended to sit with mueller. He said he'd love to so he can later say he wanted to but all the lawyers are telling him not to.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

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Christie Brinkley claims Donald Trump hit on her while he was married to Ivana

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First lady Christie Brinkley? Maybe in another life.

In a new interview, the model claims that Donald Trump pursued her while he was still married to Ivana. Brinkley recalled the incident to Porter magazine, saying Trump got her number and called her while she was staying at the Plaza Hotel in New York City.

“My phone rings and this guy goes, ‘Hey, Christie, it’s the Donald.’ I say, ‘Hi, Billy,’ because I was dating Billy [Joel] at the time,” Brinkley alleges. “But the voice goes, ‘No, no. It’s the Donald! … I hear you’re leaving for Aspen tomorrow. I am too. I’d like to give you a ride on my private jet.’“

Brinkley continues, “So I reply, ‘Thank you, but I have already arranged my flights.’ I knew he was married, and there he was asking me to go on his plane. He was kind of flirty about it. He was out chasing skirts.”

President Trump and Ivana were married for 12 years before splitting in 1990, following his highly publicized affair with Marla Maples. Brinkley claims she knew of Trump’s womanizing ways, calling him “smarmy.”

“I’m done being discreet,” the model exclaims. “I’ve had dinner with him. I’ve always found him smarmy, as in, ‘Watch out, part the waves, the rich people are coming, everything is gold, solid 24-carat gold, the best, the greatest, nobody else has more gold on anything in their house than me. Did you bring a brush? Let’s gold-leaf it!’”

Trump married Maples in December 1993, but they separated three years later. He went on to marry Melania in January 2005. Trump has been in the headlines recently for his alleged 2006 affair with porn star Stormy Daniels. A lawyer for President Trump has denied Daniels’s claims. No word yet on Brinkley’s story.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/christie-brinkley-claims-donald-trump-hit-married-ivana-003547257.html

C.H. Truth said...

Now I have it Roger...

Christie Brinkley says Trump hit on her in 1993. Aghast!!!

Time for impeachment! No question about it!

Ahem...

Anonymous said...

“My phone rings and this guy goes, ‘Hey, Christie, it’s the Donald.’ I say, ‘Hi, Billy,’ because I was dating Billy [Joel] at the time,” Brinkley alleges. “But the voice goes, ‘No, no. It’s the Donald! …


yeah, i'm sure he refers to himself as "the donald" just like you refer to yourself as "the alky."

LOL, you fall for anything.

C.H. Truth said...

The Democratic congress, impeaches President Pence

Just to be clear... you are joking, correct?

C.H. Truth said...

It would be foolish for Trump to voluntarily submit to questioning by Mueller. Even if he demanded and received the Hillary kid-gloves treatment, there's almost no upside and a lot more traps for a guy like Trump than just "perjury trap." I do not think it will happen.

You don't think he will agree to be questioned?

Or you don't think he will ever be questioned?

wphamilton said...

Appears nervous but calming... jmo

The volatility is fear and panic. Including the fear of being left behind in a big rally.

For a gambler who knows what he's doing this is the best time to play in the stock market. Everyone else don't make any moves, because this is where the pro's take advantage. It's also where you see the shenanigans, putting everyone who plays it straight at a disadvantage. Don't play the games, just stick with whatever holdings you've got.

wphamilton said...

CH he won't agree to be questioned, and if he's got the backbone to stick to his guns he won't ever be questioned.

commie said...

he's got the backbone to stick to his guns he won't ever be questioned.


Or show his returns....so much for transparency....

Anonymous said...

Trump should say, just like anyone else would: "Make your case, if you ever HAVE a case, convince some Court to agree with you, and then we'll see about it. Until then, go take a hike."


precisely. since this entire charade has been bullshit since day one, mueller needs to make a formal case or STFU.

Anonymous said...

The Democratic congress, impeaches President Pence


impeaches him for what exactly, alky?

LOL. geezus, trump has driven you stark raving mad.

Anonymous said...

If Mr. Trump refuses to talk to the special counsel in the Russia investigation, Robert S. Mueller III, it could set up a prolonged court battle.
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a court battle that works in trump's favor. not mueller's.

oh for chrissakes, i just looked at the ny times link. it's a maggie haberman "story."

bullshit from top to bottom.

commie said...

Our moronic pig lover from Kansas said....

Liberals cheering correction because the believe it hurts this President.

Not at all....another flaming asshole speaking for others with his head stuck up his wife's ass..... With the amount of times he took credit for the record markets, he owns the downside also....which he will never say anything about....You live by the sword and it can bite you pretty good.....How's that HD holding up? Saw a significant loss yesterday....that had to hurt.....LOL!!!!
s

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Anonymous said...

HB, how is it you are 66 and don't own a home or US Stocks?

Anonymous said...

Hi Opie.

My home Depot holding are great. Ty for asking.

Anonymous said...

I would attempt to educate WP, HB and Opie about equity investing, but .

James said...

CH Truth: "Time for impeachment! No question about it!"

Well, that's how it was when Bill got friendly with an intern.

Anonymous said...

Well, that's how it was when Bill got friendly with an intern.
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wrong.

had he simply said - "yeah, she blew me. so fucking what?" there would have been no reason to impeach him. instead, he decided to lie.

try being honest for once "pastor" pederast.


cowardly king obama said...

The most interesting and damning of what has come out so far is that James Comey swore under oath that the dossier was "salacious and unverified" yet he signed a FISA order using it as a basis and then he leaked classified info to a friend which led to the bringing in of Mueller as the special prosecutor (another friend). A few top people with so much intertwining, almost like a coup attempt...

Great article:
__________________________________________
James Comey: Connecting the Dots

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/02/james_comey_connecting_the_dots.html

wphamilton said...

I would attempt to educate WP, HB and Opie about equity investing, but .

You could pretend that you know something about it that we don't, but since nobody is going to share in your little fantasy you'd be better off keeping it to yourself.

Anonymous said...

Obama 5.5 % was "Full Employment".

TRUMP 4.1 % CNBC Reports "still needs to bring unemployment down".

Anonymous said...

WP, you told stock holder that no matter what is happening with thier stock hold on .

That is 1970's Carter Era non-sense.

C.H. Truth said...

The most interesting and damning of what has come out so far is that James Comey swore under oath that the dossier was "salacious and unverified" yet he signed a FISA order using it as a basis and then he leaked classified info to a friend which led to the bringing in of Mueller as the special prosecutor (another friend). A few top people with so much intertwining, almost like a coup attempt..

I like the American Thinker, but I am calling them out on this one... Comey did testify that there was portions of the dossier that were "salacious and unverified". Specifically it seemed like he was talking specifically about the Russian hookers, hotel room, golden showers allegations. But I don't believe he suggested that the "entire" dossier was "salacious and unverified".

I suggested the same thing at one point and then went back and took a closer look at the testimony after some push back was provided from a variety of sources. I tend to agree that his comments were more "specific" than general.

That being said, literally nobody from the FBI has claimed that much (if any) of the dossier has been really verified.

wphamilton said...

Oh, in your case KD go ahead and sell when it gets most volatile like this so that you don't lose even more, and then buy back in when the stocks go back up. You don't want to miss out on a possible rally you know. Your money, lose it however you like.

Small investors doing that are raw meat for the institutional investors and inside traders. I'll wait for the fear and greed cycles to damp down and make market decisions then.

Anonymous said...

That being said, literally nobody from the FBI has claimed that much (if any) of the dossier has been really verified.
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the cynic in me doesn't think that they gave much of a shit one way or the other. verified or not, the dossier simply served as a means to an end - getting the FISA warrant.

Anonymous said...

Lol, WP contradicting yourself.

Thanks, you are properlying grouped with other Liberal CHT dunces.

HB, told us he owns zero US Stocks.

Yet, attempted to give his investment advice. All Hat, No Cattle

Anonymous said...

The Scientific Community warns of coming ICE AGE. Yep. South Africa snows triggered the shift.

cowardly king obama said...

"That being said, literally nobody from the FBI has claimed that much (if any) of the dossier has been really verified."

but it does appear to be funded by the Hillary campaign and with Russian sources... But that would be real collusion.

Anonymous said...

CKO, Hillary Clinton, removed all doubt, she Funded it.
"“I think most serious people understand that,” Clinton said in a clip of an interview with host Trevor Noah that was to air later Wednesday night. “It was research that started (with) a Republican donor during the primary, and when Trump got the nomination for the Republican Party, the people doing it came to my campaign lawyer.”

Clinton defended the approach that her campaign lawyer, Marc Elias, took to the work of Fusion GPS, a research firm that compiled a dossier about Trump before recruiting former British spy Christopher Steele to conduct more research.".

wphamilton said...

Only contradicting my advice in your special case KD. Please tell me that didn't really go over your head.

Anonymous said...

Has the fair-minded Mueller deposed Hillary , Bill, Obama and Marc Elias, IF, why Not???

Anonymous said...

WP, your post since Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:12 am central time only stick to my feet.

Anonymous said...

But that would be real collusion.
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what's really ironic is that as we have been plodding through this soap opera for well over a year, it's becoming apparent that everything the left has accused trump of are acts team hillary have committed.

liberals certainly have a knack for psychological projection.


in other news, pencil neck schiff purposefully included classified info in his memo trying to pull a fast one on trump. schiff is such a piece of shit.

Anonymous said...

Since the Left requested it be released. I would release it . 100 % of it.

Anonymous said...




and there's the rub. since he purposely included classified info, trump is left with -

not releasing it

releasing it redacted

releasing it unredacted

democrats have something to disingenuously criticise in every scenario, which was the intent.


"So it seems pretty clear that there is some sensitive information in the Schiff memo and that leaves Trump with three choices. First, he could release the memo as is, including all of the sensitive information. At that point, Democrats can whisper that he is harming national security and add that they warned all along that releasing the memo would harm national security. No one in the media will call them on this sleight-of-hand.

Second, Trump could refuse to release the memo at which point Democrats, led by Schiff, will make the rounds on every network complaining his memo is being suppressed, along with the truth.

Third, Trump could redact the memo and release it, at which point the Democrats will claim the redactions a) are partisan, and b) show we shouldn’t be talking about this in public. You can probably visualize Rep. Schiff appearing on MSNBC next week, holding up a redacted page of his own memo and claiming it’s part of a White House cover-up.

You have to hand it to Rep. Schiff. This is a clever partisan gambit. No matter what the White House does, Democrats can spin it to their advantage to a mostly fawning media. No one, except maybe Fox, will press them on why they included this information in their memo in the first place. And if they do, Democrats will claim it was all necessitated by the release of the Nunes memo. You see? Everything Dems do is really Republican’s fault. And once the media is on board with that premise, everything becomes so much easier."


https://hotair.com/archives/2018/02/06/report-schiff-memo-filled-classified-information-hopes-trump-will-block-redact/


schiff is an absolute piece of shit. the lowest of the low. i'm hoping there's some sweet karma for this shit stain at the end of this debacle.

Anonymous said...

"How's that HD holding up? Saw a significant loss yesterday....that had to hurt.....LOL!!!!" oPie

Do I really need to explain it again to you?

I taught you the difference between unrealized (loss) and Gains and realized Gains and (losses).

caliphate4vr said...

New RNC Ad Hits Democrats for Pouting During SOTU: ‘What Do You Stand For?’

Anonymous said...

Thanks Cali

wphamilton said...

Imagined reactions of Democrats to imaginary scenarios, made up out of literally nothing by someone who clearly doesn't like the Democrats, and you are upset at one of the Democrats for it?

Even if you don't stop to think, "hey, this is just what some columnist imagines that they might do and there's nothing to actually be mad about yet", even if you skip that step, do you not consider at all how unlikely the imagined shenanigan is? I mean specifically, there is no reason at all for the American public to think that redaction of classified document is anything but obscuring sensitive information! We see it constantly. It's not unusual, not even remarkable. So you'd have to swallow the idea that A) that fiendishly clever Schiff is too dumb to realize that making a big deal of a redaction is a political loser, or B) enough of the American public is stupid enough to fall for Schiff's fiendish manipulation.

Neither of those could be even remotely true - it's just a dumb idea by the columnist trying to stir people up with hypotheticals that cannot happen.

Anonymous said...

Babble

Anonymous said...

Hillary runs in 2018 to the US House, gets Elected, then named Speaker of the House having Surfed in on the Blue Wave, she moves on both the President and VP impeaching both.

wphamilton said...

Well as we can see here SOME of the American people are dumb enough to fall for it LOL. But that represents a small minority.

Anonymous said...

The Hillary Path to the Presidency was HB's wet dream

commie said...

KD the flaming douche bag alleged with out proof that...
..
The Scientific Community warns of coming ICE AGE

Sure asshole, Proving once again you know nothing about investing or science Idiot....

commie said...

Well said and pointed...

Sen. Duckworth: I swore an oath to the Constitution, not to clap when Trump demands

Like R'S reacting when trump says shit....they ask how much!!!!!!

James said...

Cowardly king Obama said at 11:47 AM
"The most interesting and damning of what has come out so far is that James Comey swore under oath that the dossier was "salacious and unverified" yet he signed a FISA order using it as a basis and then he leaked classified info to a friend which led to the bringing in of Mueller as the special prosecutor (another friend). A few top people with so much intertwining, almost like a coup attempt...

Great article"

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Ch does not agree with you, Cowardly. See 1:11 PM

Anonymous said...

"How's that HD holding up? Saw a significant loss yesterday....that had to hurt.....LOL!!!!" oPie

Do I really need to explain it again to you?

I taught you the difference between unrealized (loss) and Gains and realized Gains and (losses).

James said...

“We’ll do a shutdown. And it’s worth it for our country. I’d love to see a shutdown if we don’t get this stuff taken care of. So we have to strengthen our borders, not by a little, by a lot.”
— President Trump, calling for a government shutdown if Congress can’t get an immigration deal done by Thursday.

Commonsense said...

Sen. Duckworth: I swore an oath to the Constitution, not to clap when Trump demands

But She also couldn't clap for America. She'll be in for a bit of trouble in her next election.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

LOL Absolutely!🙋‍♂️

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Of course. I have a sense of humor.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Of course. I wrote my own words and you look foolish . It's not difficult for a genius mess with you .

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I had the privilege to serve as an informal adviser to the staff of the Kremlin’

Ingraham asked Page about an August 2013 letter, first reported by Time magazine, in which Page claimed that he had been serving as an “informal adviser to the staff of the Kremlin” in the first half of that year.

“Over the past half year, I have had the privilege to serve as an informal adviser to the staff of the Kremlin in preparation for their presidency of the G-20 Summit next month, where energy issues will be a prominent point on the agenda,” Page claimed in the letter to an academic press.

Page told Ingraham that the letter was “totally taken out of context.”

“I would never say ‘I had the privilege to serve as an informal adviser to the staff of the Kremlin,’” Ingraham countered. “I don’t get that.”

After Page began describing the G-20 and how President Trump had attended last year, Ingraham said “we know that” and pressed Page on why he claimed to be a Kremlin adviser. Page gave a stilted response: “I was offering — I was invited to provide some, ah — you know, they put together a roundtable of top energy experts [at G-20]. Literally people from around the world, top companies around the world, and I offered insights.”

“Carter, it sounds … like you were close to the staff of the Kremlin there,” Ingraham said.


Speaking to ABC, Page avoided the question of the letter and again described the G-20 summit.

“You can understand how that would raise questions and could lead to probable cause,” Stephanopoulos said. “On the one hand, at one point you say you’re an adviser to the Kremlin, then you’re an adviser to Donald Trump.”

‘I think he is an idiot and forgot who I am’

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

My joke about Clinton becoming President seems to have escaped you.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Trump would be foolish beyond belief if he did a one on one. But, if he gets a subpoena it will go to the Supreme Court. Even though it's quite conservative, given prescience, and the fact that the President isn't above the law. Pleading the fifth, with the Republican in total support of the President, it may just end,and he will get away with treason.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Prescient spelling error

Anonymous said...

Schumer Shutdown II

Illegals over the US Military.

Anonymous said...

Collusion , well no

What your #2 thingy HB

And now president Trump committed Treason



Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Reality D.C.
I would love to have another government shutdown.

The Democrats committed treason.

I want a massive military parade in Washington D.C.

And this is only Wednesday.


commie said...

menstral the cramp posted BS about Duckworth, a severely wounded helicopter pilot.....

But She also couldn't clap for America

The only clap you have is a VD.....where'd you serve? The garbage dump???? You are a disgrace to America...

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

This is an interesting idea. The Republican party has become the party of Donald J. Trump. I have been thinking along the same lines as the writers, Republicans. They explain why the Republican voters, should vote straight line Democratic, despite the fact that they despise the Democrats.

Anything But Trump.


We’re proposing something different. We’re suggesting that in today’s situation, people should vote a straight Democratic ticket even if they are not partisan, and despite their policy views. They should vote against Republicans in a spirit that is, if you will, prepartisan and prepolitical. Their attitude should be: The rule of law is a threshold value in American politics, and a party that endangers this value disqualifies itself, period. In other words, under certain peculiar and deeply regrettable circumstances, sophisticated, independent-minded voters need to act as if they were dumb-ass partisans.


For us, this represents a counsel of desperation. So allow us to step back and explain what drove us to what we call oppositional partisanship.

To avoid misunderstanding, here are some things we are not saying. First, although we worry about extremism in the GOP, that is not a reason to boycott the party. We agree with political analysts who say that the Republicans veered off-center earlier and more sharply than the Democrats—but recently the Democrats have made up for lost time by moving rapidly leftward. In any case, under normal circumstances our response to radicalization within a party would be to support sane people within that party.

Nor is our oppositional partisanship motivated by the belief that Republican policies are wrongheaded. Republicans are a variegated bunch, and we agree with many traditional GOP positions. One of us has spent the past several years arguing that counterterrorism authorities should be granted robust powers, defending detentions at Guantánamo Bay, and supporting the confirmations of any number of conservative judges and justices whose nominations enraged liberals. The other is a Burkean conservative with libertarian tendencies and a long history of activism against left-wing intolerance. And even if we did consistently reject Republican policy positions, that would not be sufficient basis to boycott the entire party—just to oppose the bad ideas advanced by it.



One more nonreason for our stance: that we are horrified by the president. To be sure, we are horrified by much that Trump has said and done. But many members of his party are likewise horrified. Republicans such as Senators John McCain and Bob Corker and Jeff Flake and Ben Sasse, as well as former Governors Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush, have spoken out and conducted themselves with integrity. Abandoning an entire party means abandoning many brave and honorable people. We would not do that based simply on rot at the top.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/03/boycott-the-gop/550907/#123

Rot comes from the top, that being Trump. If I was a conservative, out of the Reagan era, there is no doubt in my mind, that out of love for my country, I would be seriously considering this option. A few emails between a married couple, are proof in the eyes of those who stand with the President that the FBI investigation is motivated by hatred of the President?. No matter what he says and does. Truly thoughtful conservatives have to break the Republican party from Trump, or literary face the demise of the Republican party as is constituted today.

Good morning.

Anonymous said...

"How's that HD holding up? Saw a significant loss yesterday....that had to hurt.....LOL!!!!" oPie

Do I really need to explain it again to you?

I taught you the difference between unrealized (loss) and Gains and realized Gains and (losses).

commie said...

Kd the loser posted....
Do I really need to explain it again to you?

You have already proven you are an asshole......There is no need for further confirmation....Idiot...Police never join unions either...LOLOLOLOL

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

wp yesterday, humiliated KD. KD would be much better off, if he would shut the fuck up, instead of humiliating himself.

Anonymous said...



Newly revealed text messages between FBI paramours Peter Strzok and Lisa Page include an exchange about preparing talking points for then-FBI Director James Comey to give to President Obama, who wanted “to know everything we’re doing."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/07/more-texts-between-strzok-and-page-uncovered-lead-to-more-questions.html

cowardly king obama said...

"I like the American Thinker, but I am calling them out on this one... Comey did testify that there was portions of the dossier that were "salacious and unverified". Specifically it seemed like he was talking specifically about the Russian hookers, hotel room, golden showers allegations. But I don't believe he suggested that the "entire" dossier was "salacious and unverified". "

james thinks this is real important so I will answer specifically. As in a jury trial when you are not credible on part of your testimony, that can be inferred to the rest of the testimony. If you find that any witness has intentionally testified falsely as to any material fact, you may disregard that witness's entire testimony. And therefor if part of the dossier contains salacious and unverified material that dossier should not be included in the basis for obtaining a one-sided warrant unless that is specifically discussed and reasoned. I'm no lawyer but I've watched them on TV.

ROFLMFAO

Anonymous said...




how many times are you going to post that twaddle, alky?


cowardly king obama said...

"Roger Amick said...
wp yesterday, humiliated KD. KD would be much better off, if he would shut the fuck up, instead of humiliating himself."

Roger you long cut-n-paste was already posted by james a few days ago and ridiculed. Talk about humiliation...

cowardly king obama said...

"Newly revealed text messages between FBI paramours Peter Strzok and Lisa Page include an exchange about preparing talking points for then-FBI Director James Comey to give to President Obama, who wanted “to know everything we’re doing."

Yep, the stink goes to the top.

Anonymous said...

President Trump had scrabble eggs and toast with butter on it, The left is outraged.

commie said...

Rat the loser Hole thinks this means something posted...

Newly revealed text messages between FBI paramours Peter Strzok and Lisa Page

SO FUCKING WHAT!!!!!!!! The improbable Faux news as source is another crowning achievement for stupidity....

commie said...

Yep, the stink goes to the top.

Especially for trump...LOL!!!!

Anonymous said...

The idea of Hillary becoming President by Impeach came from Newsweek.

A Harvard Law School professor and Newsweek magazine were recently mocked after uncritically suggesting a scenario in which Hillary Clinton could still become the president.





Lawrence Lessig, the Roy L. Furman professor of law and leadership at Harvard Law School, outlined a scenario in which the former senator could take the reins of power in the event of a series of impeachments of the Trump administration.

If President Trump resigns or gets impeached, Vice President Mike Pence resigns or is impeached and House Speaker Paul Ryan – who would legally become the heir to the top job – appoints Clinton as his deputy and then resigns, Clinton would become the president, the professor said."

commie said...

instead of humiliating himself.

It is difficult to be humble when you have no brain.....

Anonymous said...

HB, do give us the time, Date and Quote from WP.

You do know how to cut n paste RIGHT?

Anonymous said...

HB, stole the "Hillary Can still be President" from Newsweek.

Anonymous said...

.A Harvard Law School professor and Newsweek magazine were recently mocked after uncritically suggesting a scenario in which Hillary Clinton could still become the president.





Lawrence Lessig, the Roy L. Furman professor of law and leadership at Harvard Law School, outlined a scenario in which the former senator could take the reins of power in the event of a series of impeachments of the Trump administration.

If President Trump resigns or gets impeached, Vice President Mike Pence resigns or is impeached and House Speaker Paul Ryan – who would legally become the heir to the top job – appoints Clinton as his deputy and then resigns, Clinton would become the president, the professor said.


“This is one way that it could happen,” Lessig told Newsweek magazine on Wednesday.

cowardly king obama said...

commie showed up

talk about stink

ROFLMFAO !!!

Anonymous said...




has lil schiffy gotten his lil paws on those nekkid pics of trump yet, alky?



and by the way, he looked really good on russian television. that clip has aged well.



Anonymous said...

SO FUCKING WHAT!!!!!!!!
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


easy there d0pie.

you remember what happened last time you had a stroke...



Anonymous said...

Who would be President?

Hillary Clinton runs for a seat in the house of representatives, the Democrats win the majority and Clinton is elected the speaker of the house. The Democratic congress, impeaches President Pence, and Hillary Rodham Clinton is the next in the line of succession ,becomes the President .

FYI this is not the rants of a drunken drug addicted mad man. 😁

February 6, 2018"

See how HB took the idea from the Harvard Professor and Newsweak attempted to make it his own idea and posted it here.


Commonsense said...

It's such a stupid, asinine idea that it's amazing that he wants to own it.

cowardly king obama said...


"has lil schiffy gotten his lil paws on those nekkid pics of trump yet, alky?"

I think he's just did that for his personal collection.

Anonymous said...

CommonsenseFebruary 7, 2018 at 7:33 AM
It's such a stupid, asinine idea that it's amazing that he wants to own it."

CS

Well, HB doesn't own a home or Equities, so he has to steal .

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

As I figured. Oh well.

commie said...

Rat the hole continues to prove his brain is a pile of cow shit....said....

you remember what happened last time you had a stroke

Wow rat hole...You really can be rather stupid and juvenile with such fancy insults like the above...Does that make you feel big, like donnie and his small hands or are you just a worthless POS who flunked out of ag school, a place even texans graduate from?????

commie said...

Anonymous cowardly king obama said...
commie showed up

talk about stink

Amazing, if brains were TNT, neither of you could blow your nose......LOLOL You both deserve loretta.....BWAAAAAA!!!!!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Suppose a Democratic president’s Justice Department really did use Democratic-funded opposition research, unverified and insufficiently disclosed, to get a secret warrant from the FISC to spy on a former Republican campaign adviser. Would that be perfectly okay?