Saturday, April 28, 2018

A good (and frequently missed) point about assumption of innocent and guilt

Is ‘Guilty Until Proven Innocent’ the New Standard?
Interestingly, there is an ambit more welcoming of rank hearsay: intelligence-gathering and analysis. Intelligence officers deal in probabilities, not proof, so as long as they appropriately weigh the biases and lack of verification attendant to information, they need not dismiss it out of hand. But there is a caveat: Intelligence matters are classified. A big part of why we do not police intelligence-gathering the way we do criminal proceedings is that the information is never supposed to become public, never supposed to be a source of embarrassment to the people implicated.
Intelligence is a national-security exercise, not a rendering of justice. As we have frequently stressed in pointing out that the FBI’s Russia investigation is a counterintelligence probe, not a criminal investigation, the point is to divine the intention of foreign powers that could threaten American interests. We do not owe hostile foreign governments a presumption of innocence — indeed, we could not protect the country if we extended one.
In national-security matters, if there is a threat, it is sensible to proceed with a “guilty until proven innocent” mindset because threats emanating from foreign places where our law does not apply and our investigative agencies do not operate will frequently not be amenable to courtroom standards of evidence. But the trade-off is that we know we could be wrong in a way that could slander people, so we keep the information under lock and key. If we took any other approach, if we required even a moderately demanding standard of proof before information could be considered, we could miss information that helps save lives.

There has been a lot written about this particular concept of innocent until proven guilty vs guilty until proven innocent. But I think that this particular opinion hits on an integral part of why it the idea of a counterintelligence probe being "criminalized" with a Special Counsel appointment was so wrong, and potentially dangerous.

As pointed out, one of the very distinct differences between a counterintelligence and criminal probe is the concept of classification. The reality is that Americans who are under investigation in the aspect of a counterintelligence probe are not publicly revealed in counterintelligence probes. Even the FICA courts (which allow our intelligence agencies to spy on Americans) are secret and classified. The idea that if they "get it wrong" that they don't ruin the reputation of an otherwise innocent American.

But when you put a former Prosecutor in charge of what was a counterintelligence probe, the first thing that's going to give (one way or the other) is the secrecy and classification of information. People who were otherwise being privately investigation under the guise of a counterintelligence probe, were suddenly being outed as being part of a criminal probe, even when no crimes have been proven to have taken place.

Let's look at the Steele dossier under the original concept of the FBI investigating it as part of a counterintelligence probe. We obviously know by now that it was opposition research. Steele himself admitted in court documents*  that his dossier was raw intelligence that warranted further investigation, and that it had been legitimately reported to be "unverified", "unconfirmed", and that it contained "potentially unverifiable" allegations.  A counterintelligence investigation may be justified, because there is a "potential" harm to the country, and (just as importantly) because the intelligence investigation would not be reported to the general public. Again, if none of the allegations turn out to be verifiable, then we know the intelligence was wrong and that nobody is technically harmed.

For a good portion of the time the FBI and other agencies were investigating the dossier and potential Trump Russian connections, the general public knew nothing about it. Because they shouldn't. The fact that these things remain secret "allows" our intelligence agencies to behave in certain ways that our law enforcement is not allowed to.

But if we decide to turn it into a criminal probe, then the concept of due process is turned on it's head, because suddenly names and allegations are being revealed, not only before they are proven, but even before they are legally or officially alleged as criminal by the Government. The problem becomes that an intelligence dossier of unverified (and potentially unverifiable) allegations suddenly is provided a whole lot of credibility if it is suddenly tied to a criminal probe.

Between the leaks of names and allegations, along with the very existence of special counsel, people have had their lives turned upside down, reputations destroyed, all because certain people decided that a behind the scenes counterintelligence probe should be made public, and eventually turned into a criminal probe. One has to wonder, when we listen to James Comey talk about his involvement in all of this...  if that didn't become the plan the very day he got fired.

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94 comments:

commie said...

Another naive troll perpetrated by our esteemed host and expert in everything...

But if we decide to turn it into a criminal probe, then the concept of due process is turned on it's head,

Sure it does....I guess you feel that the Nunes report is gospel. with its complete biased findings....Mueller at least seems to be an honest broker which you think is false...Maybe you should head an investigation since your view is perfect....

commie said...

Eye opening expose' of the nunes POS.

.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/04/27/3-ways-that-the-house-republicans-russia-report-directly-contradicts-the-intelligence-community/?utm_term=.75e5fd131820

Donald Trump Jr. and Trump campaign officials' decision to meet with a Russian lawyer offering dirt on Hillary Clinton was “poor judgment,” the GOP report says — but it was not evidence of collusion.

President Trump's attempts to do business in Russia before the campaign also had nothing to do with collusion, Republicans argue. They have already argued the FBI never should have received a warrant to spy on Page.

How this contradicts the intelligence community: Mueller appears to still be investigating all of this. A parallel bipartisan Senate panel has not yet concluded its investigation.

Loretta said...

That's already been posted...twice.

commie said...

That's already been posted...twice.

So fucking what!!! Are you paying for bandwidth???? And Kansas freemartin breeder posted the same made up bullshit numbers dozens of times..

Loretta said...

You forgot LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL, troll.

James said...

Ch, it is really interesting how you have assumed (or pretended to) that I am and others posting here who are of a different political persuasion than yours are guilty of numerous things that we are not guilty of, and you have thus allowed this site to become a cesspool of accusations wherein I and others are accused of travesties that simply cannot be true and are totally unproven.

So climbing on your righteous perch is laughable.

Loretta said...

"James said

Oh, and I do indeed think teenage girls, post pubescent ones that is, can be sexy. I have always thought so."

https://coldheartedtruthblog.blogspot.com/2017/10/trump-phone-call-to-widow-recorded.html?showComment=1508608752714&m=1#c1852015223026817867

Loretta said...

"So climbing on your righteous perch is laughable."

Just shut up you stupid bitch.

YOU and Roger are the reasons CH had to create a new blog.

James said...

It will be really interesting if the Trump team now ties to fight the interview President Trump has so effulsively said he wants to have.

Anonymous said...




fuck off pederast, you disgusting piece of shit.




Loretta said...

Stupid pedophile.

James said...

*tries to fight

Loretta said...

*Stupid pedophile.

James said...

I dare "Loretta" to say that and put her legal
name on it, the coward. :-)

Loretta said...

Fuck off pedophile.

Anonymous said...

The creepiest thing ever said on this blog.

I dare "Loretta" to say that and put her legal
name on it, the coward."

Jane

Loretta said...

"The creepiest thing ever said on this blog."

The creepiest thing was getting an alert that someone in Illinois was trying to physically find me...

Myballs said...

Show of hands, who actually read James's spam? Anyone?

Loretta said...

No one.

commie said...

Blogger Loretta said...
You forgot

Like the other kansan without a brain....lezbo again posts for ht 57th time the same bullshit while she complained vehemently to something that was posted a whole 2 times....your asshole is growing big enough to take trumps manhood with ease.....Please remind me that I forgot something shit head.....idiot.

C.H. Truth said...

Ch, it is really interesting how you have assumed (or pretended to) that I am and others posting here who are of a different political persuasion than yours are guilty of numerous things that we are not guilty of, and you have thus allowed this site to become a cesspool of accusations wherein I and others are accused of travesties that simply cannot be true and are totally unproven.

You're right. Justice needs to be done. I am going to have to appoint a CHT Special Counsel to investigate these allegations. Just because the allegation may be improbable, doesn't mean we shouldn't shine a spot light on them!

The only question is... who oh who should I appoint?

Loretta said...

You forgot LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL, troll.

commie said...

Our carpet muncher reminds all again why she is an idiot sycophant...and posts her tired sense of stupidity....

.Please remind me that I forgot something shit head.....idiot.

oretta said...
You forgot LOL LOL

Loretta said...

Your job is to entertain me.

You're failing, Denny.

Anonymous said...

MyballsApril 28, 2018 at 9:18 AM
Show of hands, who actually read James's spam? Anyone?"

Nope, even crickets left when She posts.

Commonsense said...

Anonymous James said...
Ch, it is really interesting how you have assumed (or pretended to) that I am and others posting here who are of a different political persuasion than yours are guilty of numerous things that we are not guilty of


You are now guilty until you can prove you're not guilty.

Didn't you get the memo?

Loretta said...

"You are now guilty until you can prove you're not guilty."

In HIS case, he's already admitted guilt...

Anonymous said...



The only question is... who oh who should I appoint?


ahem.



Loretta said...

LOL

Oh dear, Loretta said...

Tom Steyer Keeps Spending In Effort to Oust Trump

Bloomberg: “Steyer isn’t the first to claim there are grounds for booting Trump from office, but his enormous pools of wealth, outrage, and ambition mean he can do more than the members of Congress responsible for impeachment proceedings: He can spend the money required to stoke a fire and fan its flames until a real chance to burn down the administration presents itself. Thus far, he’s pledged about $40 million for Need to Impeach and an additional $30 million to get millennials into voting booths in November.”

“He views himself as the leader of a movement to deliver America from evil—not one of those billionaires who cut checks merely to buy influence in Washington. Never mind that Steyer spent more on disclosed donations during the 2014 and 2016 election cycles than anyone else.”

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

People who were otherwise being privately investigation under the guise of a counterintelligence probe, were suddenly being outed as being part of a criminal probe, even when no crimes have been proven to have taken place.

The investigation was not being investigated "under the guise of a counterintelligence probe". Private citizens can be involved in criminal investigations in the course of any investigation. They are innocent until proven guilty, so their reputations are not at risk unless charged.

Oh dear, dear, dear Loretta said...

Democrats Suddenly Competitive In Rural Districts Too

Last year’s special election for Tom Price’s (R) seat in suburban Atlanta “became the most expensive House race ever, about $50 million on all sides, and while Democrats lost, it was by a narrow margin in a wealthy suburban district the Republicans used to win easily. It led Democrats to believe their initial strategy of focusing on the suburbs gave them a path to the majority,” the Washington Post reports.

“However, the more telling special elections might have been a handful in more rural districts President Trump won by overwhelming margins. Five special elections have been held for seats where Trump won 56 percent to 60 percent of the vote — in Kansas, Montana, South Carolina, Pennsylvania and Arizona — and in each of those races the Democrat did much better than expected, winning one and getting very close in two others.”

Oh dear, dear, dear, dear, dear Loretta said...


Trump’s Role in Midterm Elections Roils Republicans

President Trump “is privately rejecting the growing consensus among Republican leaders that they may lose the House and possibly the Senate in November, leaving party officials and the president’s advisers nervous that he does not grasp the gravity of the threat they face in the midterm elections,” the New York Times reports.

“Congressional and party leaders and even some Trump aides are concerned that the president’s boundless self-assurance about politics will cause him to ignore or undermine their midterm strategy. In battleground states like Arizona, Florida and Nevada, Mr. Trump’s proclivity to be a loose cannon could endanger the Republican incumbents and challengers who are already facing ferocious Democratic headwinds.

“Republicans in Washington and Trump aides have largely given up assuming the president will ever stick to a teleprompter, but they have joined together to impress upon him just how bruising this November could be for Republicans — and how high the stakes are for Mr. Trump personally, given that a Democratic-controlled Congress could pursue aggressive investigations and even impeachment.”

Teresa Dulyea-Parker said...

James Boswell of Normal, Illinois is a pedophile and admits it.

James said...

"Some nice postpubescent bodies in this hellhole video"

https://coldheartedtruthblog.blogspot.com/2018/01/spinal-tap.html?m=1

11 to 14 year old kids

Commonsense said...

Now for something more serious and relevant.

Investigation Is “Irretrievably Tainted” Says… Mark Penn?

Former longtime Clinton confidant Mark Penn said the federal probe into Russian meddling during the 2016 election is “irretrievably tainted.”

“I spent a year fighting Ken Starr,” Penn said of the special prosecutor who investigated President Clinton. “This [Trump] investigation had no foundation.”

He said it is based on what he called the “fruits of the poisonous tree.”

“This whole thing was corrupt,” Penn said. “I don’t think we should waste another year here [on this].”


By running so far afield of the original Russia, Russia, Russia question, Penn concludes that much of the meager material they’ve managed to dig up would be inadmissible since it fell outside the scope of what Mueller was asked to investigate.

Personally, I still think that if the government runs across definite evidence of a crime they should be able to pursue it even if it landed in their laps by accident. But in this case, we’re not seeing a situation along the lines of a cop pulling over somebody with a broken brake light and finding a bunch of explosives in the car. Mueller has been going out on his own and talking to the attorneys for strippers and Playboy models. What precisely do they have to do with Russia again?

Then, when you add in all the material about Clapper and the dossier which has been dropping this month, well… the entire thing takes on a definitely swampy feel. The problem is that none of this changes the political realities we’re dealing with. Ending the probe before Mueller says he’s finished creates the image of a cover up whether there was anything to actually cover up or not. Firing him has even worse optics. But if Mueller is determined to drag this out through the midterm elections and beyond with nothing productive to show for his efforts, this becomes a case of the absolute worst of Washington on display.

Anonymous said...

The fact is Trump Won.
That is what has the 5 liberal stooges of CHT Triggered.

Anonymous said...
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Anonymous said...

James is willing to loss 66 % of elected seats in 2018. Calling that a "defeat for Trump".

Anonymous said...

What 2016 Election Ended any debate about liberal media bias.
"by NATE CHURCH
27 Apr 2018
6,184
In an interview with Slate staff writer Isaac Chotiner, New York Times campaign reporter and Chasing Hillary author Amy Chozick discussed Hillary Clinton’s 2016 defeat — and complained how the media did not do enough to promote her agenda.
Chotiner needled Chozick about a passage in her book that highlighted the public thirst for knowledge of Clinton’s email scandal, saying, “There was an insatiable appetite for email-related stories. I can’t explain it exactly except to compare it to a fever that spread through every newsroom and made us all salivate over the tiniest morsels.”

Anonymous said...

Chozick lamented that it was simply “impossible to get other sympathetic stories to break through in the environment we were in,”

commie said...

And commie laments that the freemartin breeder never has a cogent original thought to post....Fraud fake masters holder....LOL

Anonymous said...

Hi Mr. Opie. How is your mom?

Anonymous said...

The Media still making up excuses for why Hillary lost. So now it was because the news consumers did not eat up the Pro Stories about Hillary. Nevermind her lack of health, the falls, the bed rest and missed campaign stops.

She got out worked.

commie said...

How is your mom?

As I have told you more than once, she passed just before X-mas...WP is correct, you have the memory of a gnat.....Go fuck your freemartin, asshole....Yeah, you have a masters in bation....

commie said...

A real feel good piece from the NY Times.....maybe premature, but sure shows the woes of the R party and its liar in chief...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/28/us/politics/trump-midterm-elections.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Congressional and party leaders and even some Trump aides are concerned that the president’s boundless self-assurance about politics will cause him to ignore or undermine their midterm strategy. In battleground states like Arizona, Florida and Nevada, Mr. Trump’s proclivity to be a loose cannon could endanger the Republican incumbents and challengers who are already facing ferocious Democratic headwinds.

Republicans in Washington and Trump aides have largely given up assuming the president will ever stick to a teleprompter, but they have joined together to impress upon him just how bruising this November could be for Republicans — and how high the stakes are for Mr. Trump personally, given that a Democratic-controlled Congress could pursue aggressive investigations and even impeachment.

Over dinner with the president and other Republican congressional leaders this month, Senator Mitch McConnell, Republican of Kentucky and the majority leader, phrased his advice for the president in the form of a reminder: Mr. Trump should never forget his central role in the 2018 campaign, Mr. McConnell said, explaining that Republicans’ prospects are linked to what he says and does and underscoring that their one-seat advantage in the Senate was in jeopardy.

If Mr. McConnell’s warning was not clear enough, Marc Short, the White House’s legislative liaison, used the dinner to offer an even starker assessment. The G.O.P.’s House majority is all but doomed, he said.

Anonymous said...

3Rd time this story has been posted by the premature 5 liberal stooges of CHT .

Anonymous said...

Like the Special Elections, the Premature 5 liberal stooges of CHT were sure they were going to win them, in a land slide, blue wall, blue wave.

Anonymous said...

A question for the premature 5 liberal stooges of CHT.

What Economic Policis will the Liberals ride to victory in 2018? ((Top Three))

commie said...

3Rd time this story has been posted by the premature 5 liberal stooges of CHT

SO FUCKING WHAT!!!! You posted the same incorrect debt number 14 times.....the only stooge here is you.....BTW asshole, the Times piece was posted at 11.30 this morning.....I sure don't see it here 3 times......You really are a moron of epic proportions who doesn't know truth if it sucked on your dick.....wanna apologize now????? Dumber than a brick and loretta...ASSHOLE!!!

caliphate4vr said...

Fatty’s angry, as always

LMAO

Loretta said...

"Investigation Is “Irretrievably Tainted” Says… Mark Penn?"

Gee, sounds familiar.

Loretta said...

You forgot LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL, fatty.

fatty.... said...

Loretta said...
"Investigation Is “Irretrievably Tainted” Says… Mark Penn?"

SO FUCKING WHAT, LEZBO.... What does he have to do with anything? He is a proven loser, just like you....And cue your forgetful rant, asshole..... I see pauly wasn't done by a hillbilly on his mountain ride...too bad....Idiot

Loretta said...

You forgot LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL, fatty.

Loretta said...

"Fatty’s angry, as always"

LOL, isn't it GREAT?

commie said...

We finally have the answer and name for loretta's affliction.....must be great sitting next to her in an airplane...>BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!



Kansan overcoming rare disorder that made her 'smell like a fish'

Updated 9 minutes ago
By Bob D’Angelo, Cox Media Group National Content Desk
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When she was growing up, she was derisively called “Connie the Tuna” by her classmates.



Connie Christy, 43, has trimethylaminuria, a genetic disorder that causes her to emit an odor that affects her breath, sweat and urine. Now, the Indiana teacher and mother of two is taking probiotic digestion aids to help battle the rare condition that makes her smell like a fish, Fox News reported.

Christy said that eating certain foods -- including fish and eggs -- will cause her to “reek to high heaven” within 30 minutes because her body is unable to break them down, Fox News reported.

Loretta said...

You forgot LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL, fatty.

Loretta said...

James is a stupid pedophile.

fatty said...

Carpet muncher Loretta said...
You forgot


Yep, thanx for the 60th repeat of the only thing you can post...LMFAO at you again...asshole...

Anonymous said...

A question for the premature 5 liberal stooges of CHT.

What Economic Policis will the Liberals ride to victory in 2018? ((Top Three))

Obama Added $1.65 Trillion Each year on average, that does not icluded the on going Debt service. If Fatty could only understand.

Anonymous said...

Hillary's Media butt hurt again. Trump has a rally in Michigan, snubbing the fake media Journ-List dinner.

So pissed off are the Dem-Media, calling it "Counter-Programing".

Loretta said...

If you'd stop forgetting to add your goofy "LOL," I wouldn't need to remind you, goof.

Anonymous said...

Ette. Fatty is angry because the price of sugar spiked.

Loretta said...

"Fatty is angry because the price of sugar spiked."

Aha.

Pies must be too expensive for the rolly polly.

Loretta said...

James really is a pedophile, as I have repeatedly stated.

James said...

I dare Loretta to attach her legal name to that statement.

and BTW,
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

Anonymous said...

Obama lost years begins \ Debt Service
$383,071,060,815.42

Lost years finally end.

$432,649,652,901.12

$49 Billion in additional Debt Servicing

Anonymous said...

James, why are you perv'n Ette?

Anonymous said...

Fatty diet of 6000 calories a day.

Loretta said...

"James, why are you perv'n Ette?"

It's fatty.

Anonymous said...

Lol,

Loretta said...

James is a pedophile and I can prove that in court.

Loretta said...

You forgot LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL, fatty

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

North Korea will close main nuclear test site in May, South says
By Ben Westcott, Yoonjung Seo and Eli Watkins, CNN
Updated Apr 28, 2018
(CNN) - North Korean leader Kim Jong Un told South Korean President Moon Jae-in that he will close his main nuclear test site in May and invite experts and journalists from the United States and South Korea into the country soon, a senior spokesman for Moon said Sunday.
Pyongyang will also change its time zone by half an hour to align it with Seoul time, Yoon Young-chan told reporters during a briefing Sunday.
Yoon said Kim had made the announcements during his historic meeting on Friday with Moon at the demilitarized zone between the two countries.
Kim stepped over the line dividing the Korean Peninsula to meet with Moon, the first time the leaders of North and South Korea have talked in person since 2007.
Following a full day of talks and symbolic events, both leaders issued a statement calling for the end of the Korean War, committing to the "complete denuclearization" of the peninsula, and heralding a "new era of peace."
Sunday's announcement from Seoul came after US President Donald Trump suggested that his highly anticipated summit with Kim could come as soon as "the next three or four weeks."
"Look, I may go in. It may not work out. I leave," Trump announced during a rally in the US state of Michigan on Saturday night.
© 2018 Cable News Network, Inc
A Time Warner Company
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

Scott would have missed this.

The President may deserve credit for this potentially historic event.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Rasmussen 4/24 - 4/26 47 52 -5
Harvard-Harris 4/22 - 4/24 44 56 -12
FOX News 4/22 - 4/24 44 53 -9
Economist 4/22 - 4/24 43 53 -10
Quinnipiac 4/20 - 4/24 39 54 -15
Reuters 4/20 - 4/24 41 55 -14
Gallup 4/16 - 4/18 38 57 -19
NPR/PBS/Marist 4/10 - 4/13 39 54 -15
ABC/WP 4/8 - 4/11 44 54 -10
NBC/WSJ 4/8 - 4/11 39 57 -18

Anonymous said...

This is Liberalism :
"Several Democratic House members, including Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA), sponsored a Planned Parenthood press conference. Lee praised the organization, which, according to its 2016-2017 annual report, ended the lives of 321,384 unborn children in that reporting year.

“Your work really saves lives,” Lee said on Wednesday outside of the Capitol.

Anonymous said...

Nobel

Loretta said...

"Scott would have missed this."

LOL. No one missed this. Start your own blog chicken shit.

"The President may deserve credit for this potentially historic event."

Gee, ya think?

Commonsense said...

Nobel

Uh, No. (Even though he may deserve it).

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Commonsense said...

Memo to the WHCA: Maybe next time hire a more family friendly comedian?

Or just not have CSPAN televise it. (It is, after all, a private dinner. As long as the president is not attending, there's no public affairs rational to broadcast it.)

That way you won't have to be embarrassed or defensive the next day.

Anonymous said...

CS, I have to take issue with you.
I think those at th WHCA are proud.

commie said...

Ever wonder why flies gather around loretta? There is a name for the aroma she emits....trimethylaminuria, It's an inherited condition which makes her smell like fish.....dayum sad it took so long to diagnose.....Cue her old forgot post....dumbass carpet muncher....




Anonymous said...

God oPie. You went to bed pissed off and awoke in a rage.

Loretta said...

You have one job here.

Entertainment, and adding your goofy LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL.

Concentrate rolly polly. Concentrate.

commie said...

Such a witty comeback and so easily predicted.....Idiot. What is truly entertaining is your obsession with laughing, so easy lezbo!!!!!....Must be indicative of your shtitty life and thinking this site has any relevance to anyone except for losers like you and the freemartin fucker....Maybe I'll go back to chuckle...which I know annoys the bejesus out of you and am sure you will comment...Trolling for idiots is my entertainment and this place is a target rich environment for that activity......CHUCKLE!!!

Loretta said...

"God oPie. You went to bed pissed off and awoke in a rage."

As you can see, he's an admitted troll.

Loretta said...

Snicker.

Commonsense said...

CS, I have to take issue with you.
I think those at th WHCA are proud.


If you follow the twitter feed some actually were which said more about them than not.

No truly decent person would have found that performance funny.

commie said...

Loretta said...
"God oPie. You went to bed pissed off and awoke in a rage."

Tweedle dee and dumbass lezbo,attached at the hip making shit up again....something that they do with exuberance and zeal. Neither can think for themselves and must have cues to satiate their desire to think they are superior beings. Now that is amusing and deserves a big CHUCKLE at their expense...And yes, I troll idiots with much glee and you as the target is easier than my wildest dreams...Toss in the carpet munchers you forgot troll and we have a perfect day....Asshole...

Anonymous said...

As you can see, he's an admitted troll."

Yes opie is, but he is not at all entertaining and so wring og so many facts.

WP is a much better Troll.

Loretta said...

Snicker.