So based on what we now know, the Obama intelligence community hired a well established CIA Operative (known for political spying) as an FBI informant to make contact with Trump campaign officials. This was supposedly done in an attempt to find out what the Trump campaign might know about Russian election interference.
Now we can argue all day long about the semantics of how you describe that activity. Spying, investigating, infiltrating, informing. Really doesn't matter how you describe it, the FBI hired a CIA operative to go make contact with and then snoop around into members of the Trump campaign. Just as he had done in previous elections.
But here is the rub. According to what is being divulged at this point, the contacts between the spy/informant and Trump officials predated the Papadopoulos meeting with the Clinton affiliated Australian Diplomat. So without the means for time travel, that would suggest that the Papadopoulos excuse to start a counterintelligence campaign is a pile of bunk. The FBI had already been spying/infiltrating/investigating the Trump campaign.
Moreover, there is now some buzz (unconfirmed at this point) that the information regarding the missing Clinton emails that Papadopoulos allegedly shared with the Australian Diplomat may have been provided to him either directly or through the assistance of the FBI informant in question.
Either way, the reality is now there is absolutely zero excuse for the DOJ/FBI to withhold from Congressional oversight the actual true origin of the counterintelligence probe into the Trump campaign. No more delays, no more redaction, no more excuses.
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As Jonathan Turley says...
...this should alarm everyone.
Brennan sounds increasingly worried. As he should.
We must now ask, 'what did obama know and when did he know it?'
And which other campaigns did the obama administration spy on?
I'll bet if we did deep enough into this shit hole we'll find evidence of spying on Romney's campaign.
Or Ted Cruz
Back to basics: Russia interfered in our presidential election, perhaps with the assistance or knowledge of the campaign Russia sought to help. Trump does not want that investigated. He wants to distract us by making the issue US government efforts to deal with this interference.
There is clear evidence that they were receptive to assistance from the Russians. The infamous Gold Tower meeting is clear evidence.
Hey Rog...
Did the Trump campaign pay a British operative to go to Russia, pay off Russian sources, to dig up dirt on Hillary and her campaign? You know, like Hillary did with Richard Steele? Paying for dirt seems much more incriminating that being receptive to it.
Trump does not want that investigated.
Trump has allowed this investigation to go on for his entire Administration, turned over tens of thousands of documents to the FBI/Special Counsel. Nearly everyone of his campaign members (including some of his family members) have openly agreed to talk to investigators, and even Trump himself is said to be negotiating a sit down with Robert Mueller.
The only people here afraid of a little investigation appears to be the FBI/Democrats and their faithful followers.
Tell us Rog... Why don't you want this spy situation investigated? If there is nothing to hide, then there is nothing to worry about, right?
Tell us Rog... Why don't you want this spy situation investigated? If there is nothing to hide, then there is nothing to worry about, right?
as the IG has made clear, there is A LOT to worry about. and ol' rog knows it. this whole thing is slowly but surely turning to shit, and to borrow a phrase from skeets 0linsky himself - there is much, much more than a smidgen of corruption here. in fact, it's the corruption that will be 0linsky's lasting legacy. trump has shitcanned everything else.
"if they found out how we knew what we knew about the Trump staff, dealing with Russians"
Evelyn Farkas
"in fact, it's the corruption that will be 0linsky's lasting legacy. trump has shitcanned everything else."
The two-bit community organizer couldn't even manage a simple coup, which was handed to him on a silver platter.
Now, not only does Russia know everything we know...the two-bit community organizer managed to destroy ANY credibility the FBI, the CIA AND the DOJ once had.
Pitiful, really
Trump turns up heat on Obama, Brennan amid 'informant' questions
President Trump sought to turn the tables on the Obama administration Monday after demanding a probe into whether his predecessor’s FBI “infiltrated” his 2016 campaign, pointedly asking what then-President Barack Obama knew about the operation – while clashing with former CIA boss John Brennan.
Following reports detailing how an FBI “informant” had multiple contacts with members of Trump’s campaign, the president said Sunday he’d formally seek a DOJ probe of whether agents surveilled the campaign for political purposes, and whether any such demands came from the Obama administration.
While the DOJ swiftly asked the department’s inspector general to handle that review, the president turned the spotlight Monday to Obama.
“The Wall Street Journal asks, ‘WHERE IN THE WORLD WAS BARACK OBAMA?’ A very good question!” Trump tweeted.
A better question: "What did president Obama know, and when did he know it?"
"A better question: "What did president Obama know, and when did he know it?""
From the beginning, or at the very least when the first FISA (to continue monitoring Trump) was denied in June of 2016.
Dirty, underhanded scoundrels.
So basically Roger's definition of an opinion is any fact he doesn't want to hear."
We see him on the fainting couch, pussy hat on, hillary pin on his bib and fingers in ears.
Roger, climbed back in his pill bottle.
21 May 201854
President Donald J. Trump attended the swearing-in ceremony of CIA Director Gina Haspel on Monday, praising her “skill and devotion” in the department for 30 years.
“Our enemies will take note: Gina is tough and strong, and when it comes to defending America, she will never, ever back down,” he said."
So very much winning.
Con't so much winning." Oh the Humanity"
Sixty-eight percent of adults and of swing-voting independents give credit to President Donald Trump’s policies for the good economy, according to a new CBS poll.
The mid-May poll of 2,223 adults shows that Trump gets credit from only 53 percent of Democrats — but gets credit from 65 percent of blacks, 60 percent of Hispanics, 69 percent of whites and 87 percent of Republicans."
Funniest tweet of the day:
Tweet thread announcing barack and michelle obama have inked a mutiyear production deal with Netflix. One clever tweeter.....
'Hi I'm barack obama and welcome to Jackass.
I'm as clean as a baby. Prograf and Lyrica.
Fake News polling!
Lol, clean but for two drugs, lol@HB.
Roger. It was a shocking CBS poll.
Are they fake news polling?
Many dems are worried about midterm elections because hillary won't get off the stage and many indy swing voters don't want any part of her.
More on obama. Sources confirm that barack called jay z several times the past month to get him to stop any other hip hop artists from visiting trump at tge Whitehouse. Barack the racist.
Many dems are worried about midterm elections because hillary won't get off the stage and many indy swing voters don't want any part of her."
Her blaming the Russians was two faced lying at her best. She has age 5 years in under 2 years.
The New Yorker
The Political Scene
May 28, 2018 Issue
Will the Fervor to Impeach Donald Trump Start a Democratic Civil War?
A push to remove the President from office may lead to disaster in the midterms.
By Jeffrey Toobin"
Trump's lauded North Korea summit increasingly looks set to blow up in his face
\Business Insider
May 21st 2018 1:46PM
President Donald Trump's North Korea summit with Kim Jong Un increasingly looks doomed.
Trump has often talked up his work on North Korea, crediting himself with creating the conditions for talks through a hardline policy, but those self-congratulatory tweets could come back to haunt him.
But he's reportedly ill-prepared for the summit and worries it could blow up in his face as an embarrassment.
South Korea may have misled Trump a bit before the talks, and North Korea is almost certainly misleading him.
North Korea experts fear that failed talks could lead the US to an even more militaristic path, possibly even to war against Kim.
President Donald Trump stands less than one month away from making history as the first sitting US president to meet a sitting North Korean leader — but it's increasingly looking like he's ill-prepared and sailing towards embarrassment.
Trump has of late talked up his work on North Korea, crediting himself with creating the conditions for talks through a hardline policy. But that self-congratulation could come back to haunt him.
Throughout 2018, North Korea has pursued diplomacy with its neighbors on the back of a vague promise to denuclearize. Pyongyang's apparent wish to make peace with South Korea after Trump's nuclear brinkmanship throughout 2017 shocked much of the world and has generated Nobel Peace Prize buzz for the president.
But now Trump worries his meeting with Kim Jong Un "could turn into a political embarrassment," The New York Times' David Sanger reports, citing administration officials.
In mid-May, with only weeks until the historic summit, North Korea flipped on the US and South Korea, blasting them both with a series of complaints that seemed like a tantrum.
Sanger reported that Trump questioned whether or not he should even go through with the summit and hastily spoke by phone to South Korean President Moon Jae-in for reassurance.
Trump has so far stayed the course with the summit, which represents a a major part of his foreign policy accomplishments as president. For Kim, meeting a US president is a legitimizing win, lending his country previously unattainable international credibility.
But instead of Kim hoping the US grants him the legitimacy of a meeting, it now appears Trump is the one trying to hold on to a meeting North Korea appears willing to ditch.
Additionally, Trump is reportedly not thrilled about preparing for the summit, which will cover not only the narrow issue of nuclear weapons on the Korean Peninsula, but also virtually every major flash point in East Asian geopolitics.
Trump "doesn’t think he needs to" prepare for the summit with Kim that much, a senior administration source told TIME.
(IDIOT)
But if Trump is ill-prepared for the summit, and it does blow up in his face, he can share some of the blame.
"It increasingly looks like the Moon administration overstated North Korea’s willingness to deal," North Korea expert and political science professor Robert Kelly tweeted.
"Moon likely exaggerated this to tie Trump to a diplomatic track to prevent him from backsliding into last year’s war-threats which scared the daylights out of South Koreans. If Trump were less vain and had allowed his national security staff to vet the NK offer, he might have learned this," Kelly added.
(IDIOT)
It had been reported that Trump came dangerously close to striking North Korea last year. In doing so, he may have scared South Korea, not North Korea, into negotiations.
South Korea has reasons to push for diplomacy with North Korea, not least of which is that its citizens would likely bear the brunt of the suffering and death if war broke out.
The stuff could hit the fan
On June 12th in Singapore, Trump will face a task like never before in meeting Kim.
North Korea has measurably gained from its diplomatic offensive by forging closer ties with China — and, as Trump has acknowledged, seemed to get Beijing to ease off sanctions. Trump's main achievement on North Korea thus far has been getting China to adhere to international sanctions.
Kim unwinding Trump's main win on the North Korean front with a sophisticated diplomatic ruse could prove embarrassing to Trump before the midterm elections, when he looks for a boost for the Republican Party.
North Korea experts fear that failed talks could lead the US to an even more militaristic path, possibly even to war against Kim.
Trump's newly appointed national security adviser, John Bolton, has long advocated for war with North Korea. And he has been partly blamed for the recent collapse in diplomatic progress.
(YEAH, HE SPOUTED OFF UNADVISEDLY.)
Do you invest like Alky, that is IF he had two nickles to rub together.
Trump is elected, Alky prays for crash like his BFF AlwayswrongKrugman of US Stocks.
April 3rd, 2016, Alky said "Trump Crashes Dow"
Today, Dow closed about 25,000.
Alky left holding worthless puts.
Jane does Fan Dance.
Why Is Trump Freaking Out Now?
May 21, 2018 at 12:10
Jonathan Chait:
“This weekend, the New York Times revealed that, in August 2016, Donald Trump Jr. met in Trump Tower with representatives of Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, who offered campaign help… The deeper question is how closely related the Gulf story is to the heart of the Russia question. Was it just another one of Donald Jr.’s legal misadventures? Or did Nader, Prince, and the Gulf States play a central role in facilitating a corrupt deal with Russia?
“Trump’s furious lashing out, including his reckless escalation of a crisis with the Department of Justice this weekend, provides interesting clues. Trump has no poker face, no chill.
'THE CLOSER THE INVESTIGATORS GET TO INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE, THE MORE INTENSELY HE RAGES. HE RESEMBLES A SUSPECT SCREAMING AT THE POLICE NOT TO GO INTO THE ATTIC. AND NOW THAT ATTIC IS LOOKING AWFULLY INTERESTING.”
First Read:
“Don’t get distracted —
THAT REPORTING OF A SECOND TRUMP TOWER MEETING IN 2016 WAS THE BIGGEST NEWS FROM THE WEEKEND.”
After meeting with Rosenstein and Whey and with their concurrence, Trump has ordered the IG to expand its investigation into the FBI's possible abuse in spying on the Trump campaign.
People are eventually going to jail, just not the people the liberals thought.
People are eventually going to jail, just not the people the liberals thought.
Exactly, hence the desperation from people like the lying "pastor"
Who says he doesn't lie
ROFLMFAO !!!
LOL
Quoting opinion pieces from Business Insider and from Jonathan Chait and First Read doesn't make me a liar.
ROFLYFAO!!!
On June 12th in Singapore, Trump will face a task like never before in meeting Kim.
Heh, Trump's making an offer he can't refuse.
It’s Not a Liberal Fantasy to Ask if Trump Committed Treason
This is a fairly simple case. Why aren’t more people comfortable seeing it?
Tom Coleman (R) former Missouri congressman.
05.17.18 5:24 AM ET
Under the Constitution an individual commits treason if the nation is at war and the person provides aid and comfort to the enemy. This is an impeachable offense, committed by word or deed. It's one that individuals need to start grappling with seriously because it is not some far-fetched liberal fantasy to conclude that Donald Trump may have committed treason.
In fact, the case is fairly simple to make.
The U.S. intelligence community’s assessment of Russian activities in the 2016 presidential election concluded that Russia tried to influence the outcome through the dissemination and weaponization of information stolen from the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee. The thirteen Russian operatives indicted by the Special Counsel for waging a disinformation campaign through our social media platforms and other internet media, described their activity as “information warfare against the United States of America.”
The question we must now ask is were these Russian cyber attacks merely crimes on a massive scale, or, as cyber expert George Lucas asks, do they represent something different — acts of war? And if a state of war existed between the two nations, could the actions and comments of Donald Trump and his campaign officials therefore be considered treasonable?
The first question is highly technical. International IT security experts have developed several analytical models to assess whether or not the damage caused by a cyber attack rises to the level of an armed attack. They have developed an “effects-based” approach, a model which gives consideration to the overall effects and consequences of a cyber attack on a victim state. For example, a cyber manipulation of information across a state’s banking and financial institutions that significantly disrupts commerce would be viewed as an armed attack.
Another model is one of “strict liability” that would automatically deem any cyber attack against a state’s critical national infrastructure to be an armed attack based on its potential for severe consequences. The validity of these models has been confirmed by the Pentagon’s usage of them in its recent draft recommendations on how the U.S. would respond to significant foreign cyber attacks.
Based on either one of these models, Russia’s cyber attack was an act of war. They significantly disrupted and damaged our Constitutional infrastructure in an attempt to undermine the foundation of U.S. democracy. They were of sufficient scope, duration and intensity to deem them armed attacks. Clearly, they meet the international criteria of an armed attack and an act of war against the United States.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/its-not-a-liberal-fantasy-to-ask-if-trump-committed-treason
"Truthful James said...
LOL
Quoting opinion pieces from Business Insider and from Jonathan Chait and First Read doesn't make me a liar. "
Didn't say that those actions made you a liar, though that is your typical slimy response. You are a liar when you lie, as you often do.
And your spamming is fucking crazy
ROFLMFAO !!!
It’s Not a Liberal Fantasy to Ask if Trump Committed Treason
No, it's stark raving lunacy. You should seek help and turn in your guns.
It’s Not a Liberal Fantasy to Ask if Trump Committed Treason" Shithole dwelling Animal
Liar Jane, your ass rant on the Texas Shooting with a AR 15 makes you a shithole dwelling Animal asshole.
Lol. A US Labor Boss is a tougher Negotiator then "RockerMan", and Trump has handle them.
See the man-Gina left is again, clueless.
JamesMay 18, 2018 at 12:18 PM
The attacker was armed with an AR-15-style rifle, a pistol, a shotgun and pipe bombs, the official said.
Ah yes, the good ole AR=15. Let's get one of those in every home. Then the profits of the gun industry could soar along with the gun fatality rates."
Jane lies, upon lies upon lies.
"Truthful James"
No such person exists.
"https://www.thedailybeast.com/its-not-a-liberal-fantasy-to-ask-if-trump-committed-treason"
LOL.
Roger's Twitter: #notmypresident
LOL
bonkers
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Donald J. Trump
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.@AsaHutchinson, the great Governor of Arkansas, is in a primary tomorrow. He has done an incredible job with a focus on lower taxes, border security, and crime prevention. Asa loves our military and our veterans. I fully endorse Asa for Governor!
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Under our potential deal with China, they will purchase from our Great American Farmers practically as much as our Farmers can produce.
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The Wall Street Journal asks, “WHERE IN THE WORLD WAS BARACK OBAMA?” A very good question!
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Donald J. Trump
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11h11 hours ago
...they then used to start an investigation about Trump. It is that simple. This guy is the genesis of this whole Debacle. This was a Political hit job, this was not an Intelligence Investigation. Brennan has disgraced himself, he’s worried about staying out of Jail.” Dan Bongino
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Donald J. Trump
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12h12 hours ago
....top of the FBI. Brennan started this entire debacle about President Trump. We now know that Brennan had detailed knowledge of the (phony) Dossier...he knows about the Dossier, he denies knowledge of the Dossier, he briefs the Gang of 8 on the Hill about the Dossier, which....
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Donald J. Trump
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China must continue to be strong & tight on the Border of North Korea until a deal is made. The word is that recently the Border has become much more porous and more has been filtering in. I want this to happen, and North Korea to be VERY successful, but only after signing!
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On China, Barriers and Tariffs to come down for first time.
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China has agreed to buy massive amounts of ADDITIONAL Farm/Agricultural Products - would be one of the best things to happen to our farmers in many years!
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Donald J. Trump
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12h12 hours ago
I ask Senator Chuck Schumer, why didn’t President Obama & the Democrats do something about Trade with China, including Theft of Intellectual Property etc.? They did NOTHING! With that being said, Chuck & I have long agreed on this issue! Fair Trade, plus, with China will happen!
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Donald J. Trump
Verified account @realDonaldTrump
May 20
I hereby demand, and will do so officially tomorrow, that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes - and if any such demands or requests were made by people within the Obama Administration!
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Pill boy, you spammed that already.
Pillboy, I went to Ette's link and it worked.
Unlike your broken one.
Still blaming other for your link not working.
The cockroaches are all coming out of the woodwork now that theyre the ones being investigated.
Maxine Waters' campaign committee will pay daughter $100,000, FEC filings show
by Melissa Quinn"
She is a leader in the Democrat Party.
No Rog... I am saying get it all out there. I am not wanting to shield anyone from any harmful information. If it's harmful against Trump. Get it out there. If it's harmful against Obama. Get it out there. If it's harmful against the FBI or the DOJ. Get it out there.
Only one of us here wants to keep American in the dark on these things.
If you can't guess.... it's you." CHT
"bonkers"
LOL.
Roger actually copies and pastes Trump's tweets...
...and HE calls Trump bonkers.
LMAO!!!
Former Attorney General Eric Holder blasted President Donald Trump’s demand to investigate possible federal meddling in the 2016 presidential campaign as “dangerous” and “democracy threatening” in a message posted Monday afternoon.
“Trump demand for DOJ investigation is dangerous/democracy threatening. DOJ response is disappointing,” Holder lamented on Twitter. “There is no basis/no predicate for an inquiry. It’s time to stand for time-honored DOJ independence. That separation from White House is a critical part of our system.”
Speaking of a asshole cockroach
Thats who i was referring to
Ette. For our Entertainment.
Today is Monday.
Oh idiot Rog. , Thanks.
"Roger AmickMay 20, 2018 at 4:41 PM
He's looking at a Monday night massacre."
And yet the President had the boys ,Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, FBI Director Christopher Wray over for coffee.
Ty MB.
Clapper. Dump in his Depends too.
"Roger AmickMay 20, 2018 at 4:41 PM
He's looking at a Monday night massacre.""
The desperation is palpable.
WP are you still sulking?
"y Ben Casselman, Jim Tankersley and Brad Plumer
Jan. 9, 2018
The newly passed tax law could save Americans billions of dollars on their utility bills.
In recent days, electric companies in Massachusetts, Illinois, Oregon and other states have announced plans to pass their tax cuts on to customers through lower rates. On Tuesday, Pepco, which provides power to nearly 300,000 customers in Washington, D.C., said it would cut rates beginning in the current quarter."
The desperation is palpable." Ette
Yep, self inflicted gun shot wounds.
IF, Obama was not the most corrupt Pres. In history and IF Hillary would have shown some class in losing to Trump. This all could have been avoided. Now they are bleeding. I for one will give no first aid.
Obama is a Corrupt POS.
Obama DoD Paid ‘FBI Informant’ Stefan Halper over $250,000 Right Before 2016 Election, spy asshole.
Blogger Loretta said...
"bonkers"
LOL.
Roger actually copies and pastes Trump's tweets...
...and HE calls Trump bonkers.
LMAO!!!
trump is driving the alky stark raving fucking mad.
Please explain which portion of which regulation authorizes the appointment of a
Special Counsel to conduct a counterintelligence investigation.
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2018-05-17%20CEG%20to%20DOJ%20(Special%20Counsel%20Investigation%20&%20Regulations).pdf
The left doesn't care, by Any Means.
Secret service has add more security details to physically protect this President.
Clearly, they meet the international criteria of an armed attack and an act of war against the United States.
gee, i dunno alky. i'm not really convinced. but one thing IS obvious -
0linsky-ites have been caught red-handed spying on president trump. brennan, clapper, and probably scores of others are shitting a brick right now at the exposure of their crimes. it makes sense to escalate the rhetoric as a means of diversion since these people are getting desperate, so sending out surrogates to write bullshit columns like this seems logical when you pause to think about it.
now be a good boy, run along now and see if you can copy/paste some more of donnie's tweets.
The best thing about the Liberals here is they give us direct first hand accounts of their unhinged from Reality.
"bonkers"
That about says it.
Clearly, they meet the international criteria of an armed attack and an act of war against the United States.
The idiot who wrote this has clearly never read Article III Section 3 of the US Constitution.
First of all you have to have a recognized state of war or rebellion.
In this case the Russians are not a declared enemy of the US.
Second the person has to commit an overt act of war or providing aid and comfort to the enemy that must be witnessed by at least two persons.
You cannot have Treason by construction or conspiracy (See US v Burr).
There a reason why Treason is the only crime that is narrowly defined in the Constitution.
The founding fathers did not want to return to the star chamber days of Tudor England were people were executed at the King's whim.
As I said, this is just TDS lunacy.
Not Bonkers at all.
Kimberley Strassel @KimStrassel
1. So a few important points on that new NYT "Hurricane Crossfire" piece. A story that, BTW, all of us following this knew had to be coming. This is DOJ/FBI leakers' attempt to get in front of the facts Nunes is forcing out, to make it not sound so bad. Don't buy it. It's bad.
2. Biggest takeaway: Govt "sources" admit that, indeed, the Obama DOJ and FBI spied on the Trump campaign. Spied. (Tho NYT kindly calls spy an "informant.") NYT slips in confirmation far down in story, and makes it out like it isn't a big deal. It is a very big deal.
3. In self-serving desire to get a sympathetic story about its actions, DOJ/FBI leakers are willing to provide yet more details about that "top secret" source (namely, that spying was aimed at Page/Papadopoulos)--making all more likely/certain source will be outed. That's on them.
4. DOJ/FBI (and its leakers) have shredded what little credibility they have in claiming they cannot comply with subpoena. They are willing to provide details to friendly media, but not Congress? Willing to risk very source they claim to need to protect?
5. Back in Dec., NYT assured us it was the Papadopoulos-Downer convo that inspired FBI to launch official counterintelligence operation on July 31, 2016. Which was convenient, since it diminished the role of the dossier. However
6. Now NYT tells us FBI didn't debrief downer until August 2nd. And Nunes says no "official intelligence" from allies was delivered to FBI about that convo prior to July 31. So how did FBI get Downer details? (Political actors?) And what really did inspire the CI investigation?
7. As for whether to believe line that FBI operated soberly/carefully/judiciously in 2016, a main source for this judgment is, um . . .uh . . . Sally Yates. Who was in middle of it all. A bit like asking Putin to reassure that Russia didn't meddle in our election.
8. On that, if u r wondering who narrated this story, note paragraphs that assure everybody that hardly anybody in DOJ knew about probe. Oh, and Comey also was given few details. Nobody knew nothin'! (Cuz when u require whole story saying u behaved, it means u know you didn't.)
Trump versus The Department of Justice.
As the old saying goes, if the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If both the facts and the law are against you, pound the table and yell.
Welcome to the central organizing principle of the Trump White House. As the Russia investigation burrows closer to the Oval Office, the president, his staff, his collaborators in Congress and his defenders in the right-wing media are sparing no institution in their quest to undermine it. Look, a mole!
President Trump sank to a new low on Sunday, tweeting, “I hereby demand, and will do so officially tomorrow, that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes — and if any such demands or requests were made by people within the Obama Administration!”
Putting aside the cartoonish language (“I hereby demand”? Really?), consider the seriousness of the threat posed by a president ordering federal law enforcement officials to investigate the people who are investigating him.
On Monday, Mr. Trump persuaded the Justice Department to ask its inspector general to look into his accusations, hoping that these countercharges make the public forget the broader context of the Russia investigation. So let’s look at what we already know.
First the facts: There was a sophisticated, multiyear conspiracy by Russian government officials and agents, working under direct orders from President Vladimir Putin, to interfere in the 2016 presidential election in support of Donald Trump. The American law enforcement and intelligence communities warned the Trump campaign and asked it to report anything suspicious. The campaign didn’t do this. To the contrary, at least seven Trump campaign officials met with Russians or people linked to Russia, and several seemed eager to accept their help. As the F.B.I. became aware of these contacts, it began to investigate. And yet the bureau went to great lengths to shield this investigation from becoming public before the election, even as James Comey, then the F.B.I. director, spoke openly about the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s private email server.
These facts aren’t disputed. The intelligence community confirmed Russia’s efforts on Mr. Trump’s behalf in January 2017, and last week Richard Burr, the Republican chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said he saw “no reason to dispute” those findings.
Do these sound like the actions of government officials intent on bringing down a presidential candidate?
Trump v. the Department of Justice https://nyti.ms/2LhaHeq
What about the law? It is a federal crime to lie to federal authorities, obstruct justice, launder money, fail to register as a foreign agent and conspire with a foreign power to influence the outcome of an election. Top officials in Mr. Trump’s campaign and administration have already been indicted on or pleaded guilty to some of these charges. This is just the start; the special counsel, Robert Mueller, appears to have gathered a great deal more evidence with the help of cooperating witnesses. And we haven’t even talked about Michael Cohen yet.
Meanwhile, Republicans in Congress compound their shame daily, either by standing by in silence or by working actively with the White House and conservative media to help expose the identity of an F.B.I. informant. Was it just a year ago that these same people professed outrage at the supposed “unmasking” of American citizens caught up in duly-authorized surveillance?
This self-interested assault is doing incalculable damage to the integrity of American law enforcement. It’s up to those people who have devoted their lives to the nation and to the rule of law, like Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and the F.B.I. director, Christopher Wray — both Republicans and Trump appointees, don’t forget — to stand up to the president and defend these institutions.
One doesn’t have to agree with the particulars of every investigation to see the fundamental difference here: The members of our law enforcement and intelligence communities are trying to protect the country. Donald Trump and his supporters are simply trying to protect Donald Trump.
It has to be repeated.
As the F.B.I. became aware of these contacts, it began to investigate. And yet the bureau went to great lengths to shield this investigation from becoming public before the election, even as James Comey, then the F.B.I. director, spoke openly about the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s private email server.
Well that's easy for the FBI and DOJ to fix by, you know, following the law.
Next Roger will say the IG report is a Trump conspiracy.
i think it bears repeating because the alky is obviously slow on the uptake:
Please explain which portion of which regulation authorizes the appointment of a Special Counsel to conduct a counterintelligence investigation.
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2018-05-17%20CEG%20to%20DOJ%20(Special%20Counsel%20Investigation%20&%20Regulations).pdf
People are beginning to look directly at barack obama regarding all tge criminality going on in his administration. Was he clearing the way for hillary to follow him to preserve his legacy? This is very serious stuff.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
What about the law?
yeah, what about it alky?
special counsel law forbids the investigation of non-criminal matters. counter-intel matters DO NOT QUALIFY.
rosenstein fucked up, and therefore mueller fucked up.
perhaps we should answer your 'what about the law?' question by pursuing those who have broken the law. brennan, clapper, strozk, page, comey, mccabe, rosenstein, mueller, etc..
what do you think, alky? can all of these lawbreakers be given a pass for spying on the trump campaign to no avail?
personally i think your team is in for a world of fucking hurt on this deal. none of this was ever supposed to be made public, and now that it is your deep state hero's look to be needing to lawyer up, and quick. here's to hoping that at the very least each of the aforementioned lawbreakers get's completely financially ruined like mueller did to flynn.
“John Brennan is behaving as if he were an elected politician rather than a nonpartisan, retired Director of the CIA.” -Former CIA station chief Daniel Hoffman
Yawn alky alky alky alky and alky.
Go back to school and take English classes.
The members of our law enforcement, Roger Amick and intelligence communities are trying to protect the country. Donald Trump and his supporters on the blog are simply trying to protect Donald Trump.
John Bolton is going to take away Trump's historic victory and could very well get the United States in a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula.
At Trump’s Urging, Justice Department Expands Investigation of Investigators
President Trump is right to order that action be taken. And unlike in the last brouhaha over FISA surveillance, the president did not imply that a referral to the inspector general would be problematic. As we observed in the March 1 editorial, Horowitz “has earned a reputation for probity and fact-driven independence.” As we await his much-anticipated report on the FBI’s performance in the Clinton-emails investigation, it should be noted that, since our editorial, Horowitz has issued a comprehensive report on the misconduct of the FBI’s former deputy director, Andrew McCabe, which resulted in a criminal referral. (See my April 21 column, here.)
Predictably, knee-jerk Trump critics are exercised over the president’s giving an order to the Justice Department, claiming political interference in law-enforcement. Quite apart from the fact that the Justice Department is subordinate to the chief executive in our constitutional system, the criticism overlooks two distinctions we have repeatedly stressed, between (a) counterintelligence and criminal investigations, and (b) official misconduct and ordinary crime.
Though carried out by executive officials (i.e., investigators and prosecutors), criminal investigations are governed by congressional penal statutes and overseen by the courts. By contrast, counterintelligence is an investigative activity undertaken entirely in support of the president’s constitutional responsibility to protect the nation from foreign threats. It is not “interference in law-enforcement” when the president directs the Justice Department and FBI to take action in connection with their counterintelligence mission, and to ensure that this mission is being conducted properly. If counterintelligence authorities were exploited to spy on a political campaign in the absence of strong evidence that the political campaign was in a traitorous conspiracy with a hostile foreign power, that would be a major abuse of power. The buck stops with the president, and he has a duty to see that this question is investigated.
The faux outrage from the left is amusing.
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You repeated the same post five times, you mind cleaning that up there sport.
Deep State conspiracy theory on steroids.
If you can't refrain your alky comments you will get spammed with Yawn alky alky alky alky and alky.
And you're batshit cray cray
Roger AmickMay 20, 2018 at 4:41 PM
He's looking at a Monday night massacre.""
Lol@pillboy
"And you're batshit cray cray"
LOL.
Whew!
The really funny part?
Hillary Clinton had the intelligence community, the DNC, the FBI, DOJ, the Obama White House and the media all helping her to win.
And she still lost.
The tragic truth is that people like you actually believe this.
The really funny part?
Hillary Clinton had the intelligence community, the DNC, the FBI, DOJ, the Obama White House and the media all helping her to win.
It's the truth.
The lovebirds themselves proved it, with Andy's help.
No it's fiction but you're so gullible that despite reality you choose to believe it.
"You repeated the same post five times, you mind cleaning that up there sport."
LOL.
He's nothing without someone else's opinion.
He's nothing without someone else's opinion.
and someone else's liver.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
If you can't refrain your alky comments you will get spammed with Yawn alky alky alky alky and alky.
that still beats the shit out of getting spammed with trump's tweets. we can follow him on our own, alky.
Hillary Clinton had the intelligence community, the DNC, the FBI, DOJ, the Obama White House and the media all helping her to win.
Well let's start with the fact that these organizations are all people with political opinions. They were either for Hillary or for Trump?
CIA under Brennan - CIA leadership were full go for Hillary. People working there said they had campaign propaganda around the office Not in dispute.
FBI - Peter Strzok, Andrew McCabe? Comey kept Clinton out of jail?
The DNC - Well I hope they wanted Hillary to win. Although they were probably not real good at it.
The DOJ - Of course Loretta Lynch wanted to keep her job. Do you really believe Lynch met with Slick Willie to discuss grandchildren?
The Obama White House - Of course Obama wanted a Democrat to win. He campaigned for her?
The Media? Really?
I am seriously curious here Rog...
Which of these are you disputing?
Should be good IF tries to answer.
Alky is the typical low grade liberal.
He spews names on everyone that disagrees with him.
THIS IS WHAT IT'S REALLY ALL ABOUT:
Trump Attacks Press So No One Believes Negative Stories
“60 Minutes” correspondent Lesley Stahl once asked Trump why he attacks the pres.
Said Stahl:
“I said, ‘You know that is getting tired, why are you doing this? You are doing it over and over, it’s boring, it’s time to end that. You won the nomination, why do you keep hammering at this?'”
Responded Trump:
“You know why I do it? I do it to demean you all and discredit you all, so that when you write negative stories about me no one will believe you.”
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So there you have it.
Trump told her that he attacks the press so no one will believe the negative stories written about him, even if they're true.
But it's getting to the point where he has cried, "Wolf! Wolf!" too often.
Sean DavisVerified account @seanmdav ·
Wyden: "Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?"
Clapper then: "No."
Clapper now: Wyden's question was really difficult and confusing and super hard to answer and I just got all mixed up.
He is an appallingly bad liar.
Maybe Clapper looks up to the "pastor"
ROFLMFAO !!!
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