Saturday, June 23, 2018

McCarthy puts things in perspective...

The IG Report Should End Mueller’s Obstruction Investigation
While generally cautious about criticizing Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s report on the Clinton-emails investigation, Trump supporters have taken aim at its chief logical flaw: Although key investigators harbored anti-Trump and pro-Clinton bias, and even made statements indicating an intention to act on that bias, the IG did not find that this bias was the proximate cause of any particular investigative decision.
This conclusion is easy to rebut; I did so myself in a column last week. Yet, the Trump camp should also be embracing it. Why? Because if this is the Justice Department’s position, then Special Counsel Robert Mueller has no business investigating the president for obstruction.
So the article is worth a read. But like many McCarthy articles it gets a little wordy, so I will attempt to get to the point in a much quicker fashion. Bottom line is that Horowitz is taking the position (and by proxy it is the position of the DOJ/FBI) that:
  • Proving bad intent (in this case political bias) requires either documented proof of bad intent, or a testimonial admittance of bad intent.
  • That it is not the job of investigators to use their own opinion or judgement to determine whether or not there is bad intent. 
  • The reasons given by the people under investigation for questionable actions must be accepted as valid, unless the reason is so unreasonable that there is no defense of it.
  • There would be no consideration for an "accumulation" of questionable actions proving bad intent. Rather investigators must view each incident independently of one another when looking for specific bad intent.  
In his testimony to Congress the other day Horowitz shows that he clearly believes that there was bias and that it effected a variety of facets of the investigation. But he stood by the position that it's not his place to accuse someone in a factual investigative procedure that could lead to a criminal prosecution, without actual tangible proof. 

In other words, the case against the FBI in their handling of the Clinton email investigation was entirely "circumstantial". There is certainly enough circumstantial evidence to cause most reasonable people to believe that there was bias, and that this bias effected their decision making. The problem was that Horowitz believed that there was no "tangible evidence" that could prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. Because of the lack of a "smoking gun" it was not his place to make the accusation.

Clearly if that is the standard used by the DOJ (and obviously Mueller is under the umbrella of the DOJ) then Donald Trump has not committed any obstruction of justice. As long as Trump doesn't either provide documented physical or verbal admittance that he was attempting to obstruct justice with any of his actions, it's not up to Mueller to opine differently. As long as Trump had a reasonable explanation for firing James Comey or taking other actions, then it cannot be obstruction.

Now quite obviously the Trump haters out there will not take kindly to the suggestion that Mueller cannot simply "decide" that Trump committed obstruction without a smoking gun. Obviously these Trump haters are not going to like the concept Mueller must accept that unless somehow Trump admits he had bad intent, that the special prosecutor cannot make a finding of the sort of bad intent that would be required to make the accusation of obstruction. 

All that being said, we obviously live in the real world. In the real world, there are different types of justice. There will always be one set of standards surrounding people with names like Clinton and Obama, and a completely different set of standards for people with names like Trump and Manafort. 

Hypocrisy has always been the bedrock of liberalism, and today that same hypocrisy appears to be the bedrock of our law enforcement.

21 comments:

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

He is far more biased than the seven words you've been focusing upon obsessively. I read the whole wordy opinion piece.

His personal interpretation of the Constitution are brought forth because of his opinion despite his opposition to the enforcement of the law in regards to the President. Right here I have argued from the start that Mueller’s appointment was illegitimate, because Rosenstein did not comply with federal regulations, which, among other things, do not provide for appointment of a special counsel to conduct a counterintelligence investigation. More saliently for present purposes, I have also contended that the obstruction investigation is illegitimate because the president undeniably has the constitutional authority to remove the FBI director (he does not need a reason) and to exercise prosecutorial discretion by opining on the merits of an investigation (since the Constitution makes prosecutorial discretion a unilaterally executive power).

Executive superiority is contrary to the Constitution.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

It's not hatred of the President.

Our Democratic Republic has been in existence since 1776. This President is the biggest threat to our Democratic Republic in history.

I'm standing with the founding fathers who had a deep fear of the executive branch and they insisted that his powers are specifically restricted to avoid this very situation.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Seven words you've been focusing upon obsessively to defend the President is an opinion.

•That it is not the job of investigators to use their own opinion or judgement to determine whether or not there is bad intent.•

You believe that the email between two people who were romantically involved is the absolute proof of political motivation for the entire investigation.

I'm not going to insult you. Your own words are an embarrassment.

commie said...

On December 5, 2009 the same McCarthy came out publicly against prosecuting Islamic terrorists in civil courts rather than military tribunals, saying "A war is a war. A war is not a crime, and you don’t bring your enemies to a courthouse.

Andrew Mccarthy is entitled to publish any stupid opinion he wants. This is just another example of feeding the limited intellect of trump sycophants what they want to hear!! 1 year is too long....didn't hear the same complaint about the benghazi BS or the white water BS when it was roaring along....If there is nothing there there like you think......what are you so worried about???? Sad there is so little left of your brain CH. And please the waste of money to protect mar a largo far exceeds the paltry amount spent on trying to get to the bottom of meddling....

Anonymous said...

Well done CHT.

C.H. Truth said...

You believe that the email between two people who were romantically involved is the absolute proof of political motivation for the entire investigation.

You believe that firing an FBI director that is currently under criminal investigation (which was a firing also recommended by Rod Rosenstein)...

Is absolute proof of obstruction?


bottom line Rog...

If Strzok, Page, and the five others who were reprimanded for their outward bias does not rise to the level pf proof that the FBI made biased decisions... then there is no case against Trump for obstruction.

The same logic must apply. Only an admission or physical document showing smoking gun proof is enough evidence.


And be clear, the IG was only determining if they violated FBI protocols. Mueller has a much, much higher bar of showing evidence of a criminal act.

Anonymous said...

Peter Strzok, has been ordered to answer question by Congress.

This is going to get really good.

C.H. Truth said...

Strzok will probably just plead the 5th.

C.H. Truth said...

Executive superiority is contrary to the Constitution.

I have to give it to you Roger... that statement actually made me laugh.

The President of the United States has had going back to Washington, has today, and currently will have in the future, the constitutional right to fire the employees who work for him.

Anonymous said...

I have never in my life known of anyone at any adult age to be as wrong as Old Rog about so many topics.

Commonsense said...

Executive superiority is contrary to the Constitution.

It takes a 130 IQ to say something as stupid as that.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Executive superiority is contrary to the Constitution.

He said that he can tell the FBI and department of justice to investigate anyone ever if it doesn't meet the probable cause Constitutional law

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Probable cause is sufficient reason based upon known facts to believe a crime has been committed.

He's been saying that he can direct an investigation when he wants to do so.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

It's not guilt.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I never said that he couldn't fire the director of the FBI. He doesn't need a reason to do so.

Your non lawyer opinion on either collision or obstruction of justice . We don't know what Mueller has.

You're falling in line with the President who is going to discredit the investigation as nothing but a partisan Witch Hunt .

No matter how or what the investigation report says you will sit down on his lap and like a puppet you will never accept what ever thing because it was politically motivated and hatred for Trump.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You will never accept what ever it reports because it was politically motivated.

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Anonymous said...

Your non lawyer opinion " alky

The word you're struggling for is "layman".

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You appear to have developed more forgiving views on morality, truthfulness in your despise for anyone who dares to differ with Trump.

Anonymous said...

Ole Rog, let us know when you liberals accept the 2016 Presidential Election.

C.H. Truth said...

Well Roger...

We don't know what Mueller has. It's entirely possible that his entire report will clear the President of any and all wrong doing. Considering the questions he has determined he wants to ask the President, he is long on "obstruction" and MIA in terms of collusion.

If he sees his case against the President as obstruction (and there is every reason to believe that is how he sees it)... then he is bound by the same DOJ logic that the IG applied to official decision making.

In other words, he needs to find a smoking gun that fundamentally proves bad intent. He cannot opine it, assume it, or use circumstantial evidence to demand it. It must exist as clear indisputable evidence.