- James Comey stated under oath that they had relied heavily on the reputation of Steele when it came to believing the dossier was accurate.
- However, Steele was not the source. He was simply the person who presented a variety of allegations from other unnamed sources. Those sources were never verified (but should have been).
- Andrew McCabe admitted under oath that they would not have been able to bring an application to the FICA courts without using the information from the dossier.
- Andrew McCabe admitted under oath that they tried "very hard" to corroborate the dossier, but ultimately were unable to do so (other than the portion where Page openly traveled to Russia to deliver a speech).
- Lastly, once the application was approved, the FBI could dig into Carter Pages current, future, and previous actions. The fact that he was not a part of the Trump campaign for much of the time he was under surveillance does not suggest that the FBI was not allowed comb through correspondences between Page and the campaign.
For those interested in an intelligent take on this:
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If Putin flew to Mexico, crossed the border and went to San Francisco, he could vote with no problem right?
Stupid democrats.
Mueller is handing out immunity for five witnesses in thr manafort case. But in a big blow to mueller, the judge said their identities will be made public. Mueller wanted them to be kept secret no doubt because they'll be democrat insiders. Tony podesta iz one.
What a sham.
Trump has now walked back his walk-back on U.S. intelligence and Russia
Six days ago, President Trump held a news conference to walk back comments he made suggesting that he did not believe that Russian President Vladimir Putin oversaw a plan to interfere in the 2016 presidential election.
“Let me be totally clear in saying that — and I’ve said this many times — I accept our intelligence community’s conclusion that Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election took place,” Trump said in that statement.
Trump then said he realized, after seeing the backlash to his news conference, that one statement needed clarifying. That's when he offered his now-infamous “double-negative” defense. “In a key sentence in my remarks, I said the word ‘would’ instead of ‘wouldn't.' . . . The sentence should have been, ‘I don’t see any reason why it wouldn’t be Russia.’ Sort of a double negative.”
Then, in a Monday tweet, he walked back his earlier attempt at a cleanup.
Trump falsely claimed that a dossier by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele “was responsible for starting” the investigation into Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential campaign.” He went on to blast the dossier, calling it “fake” and “dirty” before declaring the investigation headed by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III a “witch hunt.”
The truth is that the investigation began in July 2016 when Australian officials informed their U.S. counterparts that Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos told an Australian diplomat that Russia had “dirt” on Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton. But FBI officials did not receive the dossier from Steele until that September.
It shouldn't be surprising that just days after Trump declared that he had confidence in U.S. intelligence agencies, he would attack them. One of the areas where Trump has been most consistent is in dismissing the investigation and the individuals in the intelligence community who have concluded that Russia could not be trusted. And a large percentage of Americans seem not to be pleased about how he handled the summit with Putin.
More Americans — 50 percent — disapproved of Trump's performance at the Helsinki conference than those who approved — 30 percent, according to the latest Washington Post/ABC poll. But Republicans gave Trump pretty high marks and appear to have increasing confidence in the president's ability to lead on the global stage. According to the poll, 3 in 4 Republicans said U.S. leadership has “gotten stronger” under Trump. That number was 53 percent in November.
Perhaps it was this support from his party — 70 percent of Republicans approved of Trump's summit performance, according to a recent CBS poll — that led Trump to go back to what he has believed all along: that U.S. intelligence cannot be trusted. While conservatives were once known for their relatively high confidence in law enforcement, Trump has transformed the perspectives of many people in the party.
This pivot back reveals that Trump may also still believe that Putin can be trusted. And that is of great concern to those keeping their eyes on Putin's planned White House visit in the fall. We still don't know what the two presidents discussed and may have agreed to in Helsinki.
To some degree, it is good to know what the president believes about the intelligence on Russia. But the lack of knowledge about the ramifications of what he thinks has many people concerned.
THIS TRAITOROUS DUNCE SHOULD BE ABSOLUTELY FORBIDDEN TO MEET WITH PUTIN WITH ONLY TRANSLATORS PRESENT.
Trump has now walked back his walk-back on U.S. intelligence and Russia
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FUCKING LYING PUSSY!!!!
THIS TRAITOROUS DUNCE SHOULD BE ABSOLUTELY FORBIDDEN TO MEET WITH PUTIN WITH ONLY TRANSLATORS PRESENT.
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Off Topic Jane the Dunce.
The Russia investigation wasn't launched Because of Carter Page.
The heavily redacted documents released Saturday comprise an application to, and subsequent renewals by, judges on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court allowing the FBI to investigate Page, a foreign policy aide to the Trump campaign. But it's already been established by the House Intelligence Committee that the Russia investigation began after the FBI learned that another campaign aide, George Papadopoulos, had been approached by a Russian agent. The agent told Papadopoulos the Russians had incriminating information about Hillary Clinton, including emails, according to court documents. Papadopoulos then mentioned to an Australian diplomat that the Russians had "dirt" on Clinton, the Australians contacted the U.S. government, and the FBI began to take a look.
Tfsx 'fao-called dossier formed only a smart part of the evidence used to meet the legal burden of establishing "probable cause" that Page was an agent of Russia.
The released documents contain dozens of pages that are entirely blacked out. People who have read them, including Rep. Adam Schiff, the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, say they contain secret evidence establishing ties between Page and Russians — evidence that goes beyond what was included in the dossier compiled by Christopher Steele. Frank Figliuzzi, the former FBI counterintelligence chief who is now an NBC News contributor, says that likely includes reporting from human sources and intercepted communications. Page, it should be said, denies that he was an agent of Russia and has not been charged with a crime.
including Rep. Adam Schiff,
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YOUR LIES AND PROPAGANDA ARE DOCUMENTED HERE!!!!
Off Topic Jane the Dunce.
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National security experts who have reviewed the document say that even the parts that aren't blacked out contain more than enough information to provide a judge reason to rule that the FBI had probable cause to believe that Page was an agent of Russia.
Probable cause is much lower than the reasonable doubt the standard required to convict someone of a crime. "It's the probability of a possibility," said William Banks, director of the Institute for National Security and Counterterrorism at Syracuse University College of Law. Page had already appeared on the FBI's radar as a target of Russian intelligence recruitment in a separate spy case. He has acknowledged that he traveled to Moscow and met with Russian officials during the 2016 campaign. It would have been malpractice for the FBI, confronted with allegations that Page was helping the Russians, not to investigate, Figliuzzi says.
Obama team has done great. Congrats. Your weaponizing of the CIA. FBI and the bastardization of the FISA system to attack political enemies has been a masterpiece. The near perfect nullify of the vote is about complete. Mueller drop around Sept 20-30, 2018 will be the cherry on top.
Idiot of light said.
" the reasonable doubt the standard required to convict someone of a crime. "
It is " beyond a reasonable doubt", that is The US Standard.
Figliuzzi
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ENOUGH SAID.
Oh dear. I just watched this video and read this article. I'm going to
have to take back what I just said.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/fact-check-trump-carter-page-and-the-russia-probe/ar-BBL0KB5?ocid=spartandhp
Interesting to say the least.
We might have a word for word record of the President and his bff Vladimir Putin.
Privately, sources familiar with U.S. intelligence capabilities expressed confidence that the so-called Special Collection Service scooped up not only Putin’s readout of the two-hour meeting, but what the Kremlin’s top spymasters really think about it — and how they’re spinning it to their foreign counterparts.
That means the National Security Agency and CIA are at less of a strategic disadvantage than U.S. intelligence officials have acknowledged publicly. But because they likely are missing the one critical piece of intelligence they need the most — a word-by-word account of what Trump and Putin said during the meeting — those officials appear to be flying somewhat blind when it comes to fulfilling their most important mission of helping U.S. policymakers figure out what comes next.
“Most of the questions about what happened in Helsinki — and about the risks the president created there — are skipping over a more fundamental concern: How can intel officers effectively support policy, at any level, when only the president knows what the policy is?” asks David Priess, a former CIA officer and daily White House intelligence briefer. “If, one-on-one with Putin, the president made or changed policy, and he refuses to tell anyone exactly what happened, how can the national security bureaucracy prepare the memos and talking points for future meetings to be held about those very policies?”
If his public statements are to be believed, Dan Coats, Trump’s director of national intelligence, revealed last week that he does not have full visibility into what was discussed, and that there’s a “risk” Putin had secretly recorded the meeting.
John Bolton is pictured. | Getty Images
White House: Bolton to meet with Russian counterpart next month
By ALEXANDER NIEVES
A DNI spokesperson said Monday that Coats has said nothing publicly to indicate that his position has changed. White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders declined to directly answer questions on Monday about whether Trump has fully briefed top intelligence officers about his sit-down with Putin, and whether he relied solely on memory, or took notes.
Politico reported
You might not like it but it goes step by step and demolished Scott's arguments.
Oh dear. I just watched this video and read this article. I'm going to
have to take back what I just said.
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Politico reported
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Blogger Roger Amick said...
National security experts who have reviewed the document say that even the parts that aren't blacked out contain more than enough information to provide a judge reason to rule that the FBI had probable cause to believe that Page was an agent of Russia.
but wait.
you just said -
Blogger Roger Amick said...
The Russia investigation wasn't launched Because of Carter Page.
so which is it alky?
also, why hasn't page been charged with anything?
for chrissakes alky, you can't even keep your contradicting copy/pastes straight.
idiot.
You can't comprehend anything beyond Olinsky and beaners and other shit.
It's not contradictory but your simple mind is lost in space.
President Trump may strip security clearances from half a dozen former national security officials because they've criticized him over the Russia investigation. The officials are accused of politicizing and monetizing their public service, said White House press secretary Sarah Sanders. "Making baseless accusations of an improper relationship with Russia is inappropriate," she said. Those targeted include ex-CIA Director John Brennan, ex-Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, ex-FBI Director James Comey, ex-national security adviser Susan Rice, ex-deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe and ex-National Security Agency Director Michael Hayden.
The blowback on this has been intense. It would be an unprecedented use of presidential power, though most agree Trump has the right to do it. Many said such a move would undermine and politicize the system. One Democratic senator said the President was putting together an "enemies list." Clapper called Trump's plans "petty." CNN's Stephen Collinson said it's "an imperious streak out of place in American democracy" that moves Trump right into Richard Nixon territory.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
You might not like it but it goes step by step and demolished Scott's arguments.
the only thing you've demolished are the last remaining shreds of your credibility by posting a litany of contradictory copy/pastes.
carter page was the reason. oh no, wait. no he wasn't. yes he was! no, he wasn't!
But it's already been established by the House Intelligence Committee that the Russia investigation began after the FBI learned that another campaign aide, George Papadopoulos, had been approached by a Russian agent. The agent told Papadopoulos the Russians had incriminating information about Hillary Clinton, including emails, according to court documents. Papadopoulos then mentioned to an Australian diplomat that the Russians had "dirt" on Clinton, the Australians contacted the U.S. government, and the FBI began to take a look.
It was a couple drinks with an Australian diplomat.
the House Intelligence Committee that the Russia investigation began after the FBI learned that another campaign aide, George Papadopoulos, had been approached by a Russian agent.
For the poor little boy who was picked on and never got over it and takes out his anger by saying that we should leave bodies to rot in the sun doesn't know how to read English can't understand what triggered the investigation is But it's already been established by the House Intelligence Committee chairman is a strong (R) that the Russia investigation began after the FBI learned that another campaign aide, George Papadopoulos, had been approached by a Russian agent.
Rat the gigantic rectum posted....
by posting a litany of contradictory copy/pastes.
The only thing confirmed is your lack of ability to have a cogent thought or the ability follow the facts....Confusion is your problem, it is self evident by the DOJ release who the assholes are...they start with you, Nunes, trump and faux news!!!
verbatim from the FISA application -
2. Identity of the Target: The target of this application is Carter W. Page, a U.S. person, and an agent of a foreign power, described in detail below. The status of the target was determined in or about October 2016 from information provided by the U.S. Department of State.
so... you were saying alky? popadopa-who?
so... you were saying alky? popadopa-who?
BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! You really can't follow shit can you rat hole???? Anything more than a singular thought seems way beyond your ability to grasp.....Idot..
But it's already been established by the House Intelligence Committee chairman is a strong (R) that the Russia investigation began after the FBI learned that another campaign aide, George Papadopoulos, had been approached by a Russian agent.
really alky?
once again, verbatim from the FISA application -
2. Identity of the Target: The target of this application is Carter W. Page, a U.S. person, and an agent of a foreign power, described in detail below. The status of the target was determined in or about October 2016 from information provided by the U.S. Department of State.
so the application clearly states that they selected carter page for scrutiny in October 2016.
yet they didn't start talking to papadopoulos until January 2017:
Looking back, some at the Justice Department and the F.B.I. now believe that agents could have been more aggressive. They ultimately interviewed Mr. Papadopoulos in January 2017 and managed to keep it a secret, suggesting they could have done so much earlier.
from your stolen ny times backfire hurry-cane link: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/us/politics/crossfire-hurricane-trump-russia-fbi-mueller-investigation.html
alky, either you're a liar or you're too fucking stupid to follow a timeline.
So Roger...
You still believe that the actions of George Papadopoulos prompted one of the political and publicized investigation back in the summer of 2016, but that they didn't bother to talk to him for till well after the election?
This would be a valid explanation if George Papadopoulos had anything to do with Carter Page, General Flynn, Paul Manafort, or anyone else that was otherwise caught up in the net.
Or perhaps if good old George had done anything wrong or actually had any information.
Or perhaps if good old George had done anything wrong or actually had any information.
carter page hasn't even been charged with a crime and he was the genesis of the application, for fucks sake.
the alky steps on a rake yet again.
You still believe that the actions of George Papadopoulos prompted one of the political and publicized investigation back in the summer of 2016,
He was certainly an exhibit for the warrant......and probably a contributor to the witch hunt...Too bad you can't see that but will obsess on a singular point as proof that your trump chump bias has taken control....just like trump wants you to do....sad how very sad....
At best...
The FBI started an investigation into a Presidential candidate based on unrelated actions of two low level campaign workers (one had already left). Yet the FBI has produced no evidence that either of those workers actually had any nefarious interactions with anyone or anything associated with Russian meddling in the election?
Meanwhile two years later, there is still no "there" there (as Peter Strzok stated). Almost nobody still believes that Mueller can come up with any "collusion".
If this is not corrupt, then this is the biggest, most expensive, and most glaring idiotic mistake every made by our intelligence community.
At best...
The FBI started an investigation into a Presidential candidate based on unrelated actions of two low level campaign workers (one had already left).
At best, they did everything by the book in spite of the Nunes bullshit....Why do you differential what damage a low lever individual can do??? Remember the name Pollard....he was nothing more than a low level analyst who did more grievous damage to the US than you can imagine.....but your logic dictates a low level asshole is not dangerous.....HORSESHIT Lil SCOTTY!!!!! One of your dumbest tenets evah.....sad how low you have gone as a trump chump
At best, they did everything by the book in spite of the Nunes bullshit....
if you were paying attention you'd know that the 412 page FISA application completely vindicates nunes and his memo.
rat the rectum posted...
attention you'd know that the 412 page FISA application completely vindicates tunes and his memo.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! NUNES WAS BUSTED EXCEPT YOU ARE TO DUMB TO GRASP IT..... No wonder why you flunked out of Ag school.....to dumb to be a farmer....LOLOLOLOL!!!
Now, however, we have both the memo and the FISA application, if in a blacked-out state. We can compare the two. And doing so shows the Nunes memo was overwhelmingly accurate. Perhaps some Democrats do not believe it should have been written, or they dispute what it included and left out, or they do not agree with its conclusions, but it was in fact accurate.
The memo comprised a short introduction followed by 13 substantive paragraphs. Here is a look at each one.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/fisa-warrant-application-supports-nunes-memo?
At best, they did everything by the book in spite of the Nunes bullshit
If multi million dollar two year long investigations started over a drunken conversation that nobody could verify and has done nothing to prove any of the allegations that prompted it...
is "by the book"
then the FBI needs a new book to go by. One that makes sense.
don't forget, it's "by the book" because susan rice wrote herself an email to herself stating they did everything "by the book" on inauguration day.
Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Burr told CNN Tuesday he believed there were "sound reasons" for judges to approve the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant on former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser Carter Page, in yet another break between the Republican leaders of the House and Senate intelligence committees.
"I don't think I ever expressed that I thought the FISA application came up short," Burr said when asked about House Republican memo alleging FBI and Justice Department abuses of the FISA process. "There (were) sound reasons as to why judges issued the FISA."
A prominent Republican Senator differed with Scott
Richard Burr
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HE'S A NEVERTRUMPER.
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