“I need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend David,” Cohen said in the recording, likely a reference to American Media head David Pecker. When financing comes up again later in the conversation, Trump interrupts Cohen asking, “What financing?” according to the recording. When Cohen tells Trump, “We’ll have to pay,” Trump is heard saying “pay with cash” but the audio is muddled and it’s unclear whether he suggests paying with cash or not paying. Cohen says, “no, no” but it is not clear what is said next…To be (pun intended) "clear" here, we have two versions of these events.
The first is an argument that this was specifically about paying off Karen McDougal. The problem is that the tape never mentions McDougal or any specific payment to her. While some may want to make that assumption, it's not actually what the tape states.
The second assumption is that the what you hear on the tape is what the conversation was about. That they were talking about opening up a company (presumably to garner the story rights), and discussing whether or not the funding for the company would come from financing (loan) or if they would pay cash outright. In cases of financing business deals, cash does not necessarily mean you buy a company with a bag full of $100 bills.
Those are going to be the several "competing story lines" here. Occam's razor suggests that when presented with the competing hypothesis, that the one with the least amount of assumption is likely the correct one.
You can all decide for yourself. I am sure most of you already have.
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Trump was aware that there was an effort to silence the Playboy model. He suggested cash or a check. He knew that if it came out in public it would have had a negative impact upon the election.
1: He didn't say that affair didn't happen. He has repeatedly denied the affair.
2: They were trying out how to get the money to her. The use of a false company to conceal the source of the money was discussed.
3: It's unclear if a check would be used .
4: He suggested cash. No no no.
The total damage to the already damaged support will be seen. It's certain that he did have an affair with her. It's just another lie that won't bother you. Trumpism demands intellectual dishonesty.
Post the same drivel on every thread Roger
Get a life
Donald Trump is heard on tape talking with attorney Michael Cohen about how they could buy the rights to a Playboy model's story about an alleged affair she said she had with Trump.
The total damage to the already damaged support will be seen
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TRUMP WILL STILL THE PRESIDENT, FATASS HILLARY WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT AND YOU'LL STILL WAKE UP EVERY MORNING WITH A LIMP DICK FOR TRUMP.
Donald Trump is heard on tape talking with attorney Michael Cohen about how they could buy the rights to a Playboy model's story about an alleged affair she said she had with Trump.
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SO WHAT??????
Roger Amick said...
Donald Trump is heard on tape talking with attorney Michael Cohen about how they could buy the rights to a Playboy model's story about an alleged affair she said she had with Trump.
that's nice.
now show us the crime.
trump has a penchant for banging hotties, alky. just like bubba fucked - or raped - everything in a skirt. i wasn't supposed to care then, even when it happened in the white house. tell me why i'm supposed to care now.
My post is relevant to this post Paul. Instead of lashing out at me explain why the candidate Trump was trying to silence
Karen McDougal.
CH has assumed that the recording was not necessarily about money to silence Karen McDougal. That's so typical of the Fake News Robotics that he has been believing ever since Trump started to use it against the free press that he would censor if he could.
The "crime" TBD. It depends upon the source of the money.
just like bubba fucked - or raped - everything in a skirt. i wasn't supposed to care then, even when it happened in the white house. tell me why i'm supposed to care now.
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why i'm supposed to care now?
Exactly why you were upset with Clinton and his multiple sexual relationships outside his marriage. The fact that Trump has repeatedly denied having any affairs with the nine women who he called liars doesn't bother you is hypocritical.
It depends upon the source of the money.
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SPEAKING FEES, like Bill Clinton.
CH has assumed that the recording was not necessarily about money to silence Karen McDougal. That's so typical of the Fake News Robotics that he has been believing ever since Trump started to use it against the free press that he would censor if he could.
your ability to comprehend what you read left with your original liver.
The first is an argument that this was specifically about paying off Karen McDougal. The problem is that the tape never mentions McDougal or any specific payment to her. While some may want to make that assumption, it's not actually what the tape states.
CH posted on what the tape actually contains. not what you wanted to hear.
what we're looking for genius is a mention of mcdougal BY NAME, and a mention of a SPECIFIC PAYMENT TO HER.
you have neither.
Exactly why you were upset with Clinton and his multiple sexual relationships outside his marriage.
wrong again, oh ye of withering intellect. i'm on the record exactly nowhere regarding bubba, his sexual escapades, or how many broads he banged. i took issue with him over two specific things -
his rape of juanita broaddrick, and his lying under oath.
he got away with the first which was a travesty, but was nailed on the second as he should've been.
Nobody else is claiming that the person in question is not McDougal.
Not even Giuliani.
Trump has never been questioned under oath.
The alleged rape of Juanita Broaddrick was never charged or convicted.
Clinton's lies under oath cost him his certification of being a lawyer. The United States economy generated over 21 million jobs. You're upset that Clinton lied. You are never upset about the thousands of lies by Trump. But the economy is sufficient reason to ignore the lies by Trump. Got beaners? Bigot
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Nobody else is claiming that the person in question is not McDougal.
Not even Giuliani.
but in a court of law that would have to be proven beyond reasonable doubt. and without direct mention of her name you simply can't get 'there' logically.
alan dershowitz is on the record stating there's no crime here. until someone comes up with the incontrovertible smoking gun i'm going with his opinion.
look rog, i get the fact that your TDS has gotten so severe that every time a story like this pops up you latch onto it like a life rope thinking that it will lead you to trump being removed from office. shit, you guys were supposed to have him deposed 6 months into his presidency. yet over 18 months later he's still your president. and it's driven you to the brink of madness.
be more selective in your outrage. and wait for all the facts to come in. you've jumped the gun (or the shark) over trump being impeached or removed so many times i've actually lost count.
Roger
It's clear that you are upset because I only posted what was heard, rather than what it was you wanted to hear. What wasn't revealed in this conversation is more important than what was:
- It was not revealed that any "payoff" was made directly to McDougal as originally suggested.
- It was not revealed that any campaign funding was used as originally suggested. In fact, it would appear that this company was going to be funded by Trump himself.
As it stands, there is no "there there". There is no crime. No impeachable offense. Nothing other than people grossly overstating what they believed happened.
To be perfectly clear... other than to watch the reaction from people like yourself, none of this matters one bit to me.
Got beaners?
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As a matter of fact, they're mowing my lawn as we speak.
The alleged rape of Juanita Broaddrick was never charged or convicted.
indeed. he got away with it. many criminals do get away with their crimes and avoid prosecution.
Clinton's lies under oath cost him his certification of being a lawyer. The United States economy generated over 21 million jobs.
let's be clear... he lied under oath as president. any honest person should have a problem with that. and the jobs generated during his presidency? completely irrelevant to his crime.
You are never upset about the thousands of lies by Trump. But the economy is sufficient reason to ignore the lies by Trump.
first of all, you wildly overuse the word "lie." you call everything that he says that you disagree with a lie. and the actual lies that seem to be driving you to the outer edges of your sanity have to do with things like the crowd size at his inaugural. to which i say - 'who gives a flying fuck?' and yes, when faced with the choice of being outraged over what you define as a lie, and faced with being ecstatic over the lowest jobless rate claims since 1969 when i was only 8 years old, i'm going with the latter because we all end up better off as a result.
what was the black unemployment rate under the magic negro again?
focus on the shit that actually matters, rog.
The EPA May Terminate California's Very Special Right to Impose More Stringent Pollution-Control Measures Than the Clean Air Act Requires on the Rest of the Nation
—Ace of Spades
Big, if true.
Summing up: the Clean Air Act enacts national standards for things like cars' exhaust. But it contains a provision which states that any state may be granted a waiver permitting them to enact even more stringent regulations, so long as they're "necessary" for that state.
California has sought such a waiver and has been granted that waiver for as long as the Clean Air Act has existed.
California is the country's largest auto-market, so car manufacturers just build for California. It would be more costly to set up factories to produce some cars that are California-legal and some others that are legal everywhere else. So the waiver permits California to essentially set the nation's car-exhaust policies.
This, of course, forces the rest of the country to subsidize California's environmental occultism, as the costs of these unnecessary abatement schemes are lowered in cost because their R&D costs are shared by a nation which doesn't need them, and California gets the savings of a massive economy of scale only by drafting unwilling Americans to be forced into being consumers of the products that they demand but which few others want.
Trump's EPA seems ready to end this special perpetual waiver.
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/376260.php
how 'bout them apples, rog?
The tape is a big nothingburger. That's why Trump waived attorney client privilege and let it be released.
Trump's EPA seems ready to end this special perpetual waiver.
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Excellent. Best news of the day.
Cohen released the tape
No. Lanny Davis released it after Trump waived attorney client privilege.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Cohen released the tape
lanny davis released the tape.
Lanny Davis represents Michael Cohen.
A federal judge on Wednesday rejected President Trump’s latest effort to stop a lawsuit that alleges Trump is violating the Constitution by continuing to do business with foreign governments.
The ruling, from U.S. District Judge Peter J. Messitte in Greenbelt, Md., will allow the plaintiffs in the case — the attorneys general of Maryland and the District of Columbia — to proceed with their case, which says Trump has violated the Constitution’s little-used emoluments clause.
The plaintiffs now want to interview Trump Organization employees and search company records to determine which foreign countries have spent money at Trump’s hotel in downtown Washington.
The Justice Department and Trump’s attorneys did not immediately respond to requests for comment. They could try to appeal the decision to a higher court and ask Messitte not to allow the attorneys general access to Trump Organization employees and books until the appeal is decided.
The lawsuit, filed last year by D.C. Attorney General Karl A. Racine (D) and Maryland Attorney General Brian E. Frosh (D), cleared an initial hurdle in March. Back then, Messitte settled one legal question, ruling that the plaintiffs had legal standing to sue the president in the first place.
He also limited the scope of the case to Trump’s Washington hotel; previously, the plaintiffs had also wanted to search for foreign-government spending at other Trump properties as well.
The next unsettled questions: What, exactly is an emolument?
That was a question that remained unanswered for more than 200 years.
The Constitution bars federal officials from taking emoluments from any “King, Prince, or Foreign State.” The Founding Fathers’ intent had been to stop U.S. ambassadors overseas — emissaries from a new, poor, fragile country — from being bought off by jewels or payments from wealthy European states.
It could be grounds for #impeachment!
lanny davis is a clinton hack. there's dots to connect here if you're able.
oh christ. we're back on the emoluments nonsense? i'll fully expect the USSC to shoot this down post haste.
Trump waived attorney client privilege you idiot.
Fof the 3rd time
Roger in heels
Trump does not sound surprised in the least when Cohen raises the need to pay for the story of former Playboy playmate Karen McDougal, who had claimed a 10-month affair with Trump.
There is no good reason to waive because privilege given that Trump does not sound surprised in the least when Cohen raises the need to pay for the story of former Playboy playmate Karen McDougal, who had claimed a 10-month affair with Trump.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Trump does not sound surprised in the least when Cohen raises the need to pay for the story of former Playboy playmate Karen McDougal, who had claimed a 10-month affair with Trump.
well let's see...
the guy is worth billion$. and he's willing to write her a fat check that he can easily afford to keep quiet in an attempt to avoid potentially embarrassing publicity.
i'm having a real hard time understanding why this is a big deal.
trying to declare this as some sort of illegal campaign expenditure is so fucking absurd, only a complete assclown like adam schiff would try to go there.
every time you guys think you've really got him this time, it's more ridiculous than the last..
There's one good reason. There's nothing there.
alky, trump waiving privilege is a help to cohen to keep cohen out of trouble, and it also displays a great amount of transparency on trump's part.
that he doesn't sound surprised speaks to the fact that he doesn't give a flying fuck.
go back to the emoluments bullshit. at least there you had a clinton appointed hack judge that will let the case proceed.
Trump could be reading the phone book on that tape and dems would claim it raises serious questions.
The reason Trump wanted to waive privilege is so that they would be allowed to go to the media and play the spin game. Rudy could not be out there defending the tapes, stating what was missed, etc, etc, etc.... unless they waived privilege.
Winning. The Left had a piss on themselves fit.
"U.S. embassy in Israel to Jerusalem "
May 2018
The point is that it is Trump's privalige to his to wave.
Yep. Roger is so slooooooww_
I knew that. They think that none of the tapes are going to be dangerous to the President.
This one doesn't really have much trouble unless they used campaign funds illegally or created a phantom company.
Kput'z is so stuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuupid.
MAGA
"President Donald Trump scored a “major win” on Wednesday by reaching a limited trade deal with the European Union, which made a “major concession” to the United States to avoid a trade war."
This one doesn't really have much trouble unless they used campaign funds illegally or created a phantom company.
But apperently no phantom company was created at all. Therefore no funds personal or otherwise was used.
You crapped out Roger.
"secured Europe’s agreement to buy more American soybeans and liquified natural gas (LNG). The two also announced that they would begin “to work together toward zero tariffs, zero non-tariff barriers, and zero subsidies on non-auto industrial goods,” in Trump’s words.
European Commission Pres. Jean-Claude Juncker: “When I was invited by the president to the White House, I had one intention: I had the intention to make a deal today. And we made a deal today.” https://t.co/NkJuIoh4fP pic.twitter.com/xR3SI8OK4L
— ABC News (@ABC) July 25, 2018"
AG States Love Pres. Trump.
National Enquirer’s Yearslong Dealings With Trump Lawyer Fall Under Federal Scrutiny
In September 2016, Mr. Cohen and Mr. Trump discussed the possibility of buying the rights to the model’s story from American Media.
Mr. Cohen created a Delaware shell company, Resolution Consultants LLC, on Sept. 30, 2016, to buy the rights to the McDougal story from American Media, according to a person familiar with the matter.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/national-enquirers-years-long-dealings-with-trump-lawyer-fall-under-federal-scrutiny-1532534115
The Wall Street Journal reported that there was an LLC was created to buy the story from the owner of The National Enquirer.
This matters
National Enquirer’s Yearslong Dealings With Trump Lawyer Fall Under Federal Scrutiny
In September 2016, Mr. Cohen and Mr. Trump discussed the possibility of buying the rights to the model’s story from American Media.
Mr. Cohen created a Delaware shell company, Resolution Consultants LLC, on Sept. 30, 2016, to buy the rights to the McDougal story from American Media, according to a person familiar with the plan.
The Wall Street Journal reported that there was an LLC was created to buy the story from the owner of The National Enquirer.
This could lead us closer to finding out that the multiple affairs were being hidden by a lawyer who may created phantom LLC companies to hide his multiple extramarital sexual relationships .
This matters
National Enquirer’s Yearslong Dealings With Trump Lawyer Fall Under Federal Scrutiny
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SO WHAT PUSSY TROLL???????
his multiple extramarital sexual relationships .
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SO WHAT PUSSY TROLL???????
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