Saturday, July 7, 2018

Where are they getting these crazy demands?!?!?

Shifting Strategy, Trump’s Lawyers Set New Conditions for Mueller Interview
Mr. Giuliani appeared to be in part trying to shift responsibility onto the special counsel for the lengthy negotiations over an interview — and was most likely prolonging them himself.
“If they can come to us and show us the basis and that it’s legitimate and that they have uncovered something, we can go from there and assess their objectivity,” Mr. Giuliani said in an interview. He urged the special counsel to wrap up his inquiry and write an investigative report. He said Mr. Trump’s lawyers planned to write their own summary of the case.
The lawyers also want evidence that the special counsel exhausted every other investigative measure before asking the president to answer questions, and that he is the only person who could provide them with the information they are seeking.
The gambit by Mr. Giuliani was the latest maneuver in an all-out assault by the president and his legal team in recent months to alter public opinion about the inquiry.
Actually the irony seems lost on the NY Times in this instance. The shifting of responsibility and new conditions are neither an actual "shifting" of anything, nor are they anything "new". The fact of the matter is that if any prosecutor or investigator wants to subpoena a witness, the burden is on them to satisfy the legal requirements of a subpoena.

Disapproval rising with Mueller probe
Those legal requirements (not too surprisingly) is that the request for a subpoena include the crime being alleged that witness can provide credible testimony to prove, as well as evidence that there is no other way that the prosecutor or investigator can gather that information.

Short of satisfying those two requirements, a Grand Jury or Judge is free to reject (and technically should) reject any subpoena brought before him. I tend to believe that a sitting Grand Jury will pretty much rubber stamp anything that comes across them, as evidenced by the fact that this Grand Jury voted to indict a company that doesn't actually exist. But any Grand Jury subpoena that Mueller might garner would be immediately appealed to a Federal Court, where a Judge much more knowledgeable would make that call.

So what Giuliani and the rest of the Trump legal team are doing is calling Mueller's subpoena bluff. They are effectively asking him to show them what he would eventually be required to show a Judge in order to validate any potential subpoena request. They are also signally that this will be their legal strategy for fighting a potential subpoena. A simply request that the subpoena follow the letter of the law so to speak.

If he can show them that he would have solid legal footing to garner a subpoena, then they would likely agree to sit for an interview. If he cannot show them that he has any real standing, then they will likely continue to reject the request for a real sit down and force him to make a choice about going to court.

26 comments:

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Russia has been beaten. Trump is crying

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Your comments are based upon the assumption that the FBI/DOJ were corrupt and partisan liars who were motivated to destroy Donald Trump.

If you look at it as how an increasingly complex situation that requires more resources.

But your persistence on the entire investigation makes your comments interesting but not intellectually relevant. If the soup is sour then its not edible. You can't smell the stink of

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The last three Trump appointees have already said that the Russians intervened in the election.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

20 people have been indicted

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

All linked to the Trump campaign

Anonymous said...

Which Democrats will Vote for Pres. Trump's SCOTUS pick?

We know how many will vote for Hillary's.

Anonymous said...

Roger
"Roger AmickJuly 7, 2018 at 4:11 PM
Russia has been beaten. Trump is crying"

Anonymous said...

Thank You CHT.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The negotiator is better than the community advisor at diplomacy.

WASHINGTON — On Saturday, after Secretary of State Mike Pompeo finished talks with North Korean officials in Pyongyang, Kim Jong Un's foreign ministry accused the Trump administration of a “unilateral and gangster-like demand for denuclearization." It was an immediate and sharp contradiction to President Donald Trump’s rosy descriptions of his North Korea diplomacy.

The harsh statement also illustrates the risks of putting so much stock in a ceremonial summit, now that last month's meet-and-greet between Trump and Kim in Singapore is colliding with the hard-nosed reality of enormously complex nuclear negotiations.


This dissonance between fact and fancy was made clear earlier this week. After NBC News first reported that Pyongyang was in fact expanding elements of its weapons program, the president tweeted, “Many good conversations with North Korea — It is going well!” He added: “If not for me, we would now be at War with North Korea!”

The irony is deadly.

Loretta said...

"Many good conversations with North Korea — It is going well!” He added: “If not for me, we would now be at War with North Korea!”"

Of course the traitorous war mongers want President Trump to fail.

This wasn't created overnight, it won't get settled overnight. Like President Trump has said from the beginning...

We'll see.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

It's looking like a potential disaster.

Anonymous said...

It looks like we go back to where Obama had the US.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I didn't think that North Korea would ever behave.

Anonymous said...

It is a good thing you were never in charge of anything.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Our Presidents have been trying for decades to get the Korean Peninsula unified and get rid of the family

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I have been in charge of millions of dollars.

Anonymous said...

You owned those dollars personally?

Anonymous said...

What non-sense :
"Our Presidents have been trying for decades to get the Korean Peninsula unified and get rid of the family"

Anonymous said...

Roger, how is Brazil doing in the World Cup?

Commonsense said...

Pyongyang, Kim Jong Un's foreign ministry accused the Trump administration of a “unilateral and gangster-like demand for denuclearization." It was an immediate and sharp contradiction to President Donald Trump’s rosy descriptions of his North Korea diplomacy.

Gee Roger that doesn't sound like Trump's giving away the farm. It sounds like Trump is winning.

Commonsense said...

So we went from a president who was leading from behind to one who is making an offer that can't be refused. I think I'll keep the latter.

Commonsense said...

The evil navy seals from the evil United States are over in Thailand helping in the rescue of a boy's soccer team trapped in a flooded cave. They are dong this to make Trump look good or some other nefarious reason.

The TDS infected view of the world.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...
Your comments are based upon the assumption that the FBI/DOJ were corrupt and partisan liars who were motivated to destroy Donald Trump.



well alky, you see, it's like this...

it's because we know for an absolute fucking FACT that the FBI/DOJ were corrupt and partisan liars who were motivated to destroy Donald Trump.

Anonymous said...


Blogger KD said...
It is a good thing you were never in charge of anything.



no kidding.

the alky needed a union turd to do all of his thinking for him.

C.H. Truth said...

Roger -

Is cutting and pasting, insulting, and changing the subject the only thing you are good for anymore?

Because I cannot recall the last time anything you commented on made any sense to the thread what-so-ever.

Btw...

This thread is about the media, how they are either misinformed about subpoenas or how they are attempting to mislead their gullible readership on the subject. Either way, this article is trying to make the legal team defense into something "unfair" or "far-fetched" even though it's entirely based on the law.

A reasonable reaction to the post would have been some sort of critique regarding the legal issues at hand. You could have gone out and researched the requirements of a subpoena yourself and see if you read it differently than the Trump legal team (and most of the legal experts I read).

But you never, ever, ever actually immerse yourself on any subject, like a reasonable intelligent person might. Instead you follow the same script of C&P, insult, and change the subject.

commie said...

Lorwetta postulates without fact that there are......
Of course the traitorous war mongers


The only war mongers belong to the right.....Cheney Bolton Wolfowitz come to mind and they ain't D's.....Wonder who these war mongers you mention are? I doubt you will make any sense.....LOL idiot..