Wednesday, August 22, 2018

Two different worlds

So there seems to be a pretty wide chasm between the left and right as to how to gauge the effects of the news that both Manafort and Cohen will likely be doing significant stints in jail. Both sides make a point, and both sides probably believe that the "truth" is on their side.



But this is "really" what this country has come to. Millions of people who are intellectually ruled by combination of bias confirmation and cognitive dissonance. They will only see what it is that they want to see, and they will never see what it is that they do not want to see. It may have been bad at other points of time in this country, but under the Trump Presidency, the intellectual dishonesty is at feverish temperatures.

With the Mueller probe, I think there is a larger sense of dishonestly on the left. Obviously those who support Mueller are willing to concede that the Special Counsel appointment that was "supposed" to be about Russia and the election, was actually a design to provide a vast army of intelligence and law enforcement with free reign to simply reek whatever legal havoc they can on anyone associated with Donald Trump.

There is a overlying blanket of dishonestly that "must" be in place, to argue that decades old crimes committed by someone who worked with Trump for a matter of a few months, has something to do with Russia, or somehow proves that a special counsel probe into Russian influence is justified because of that. The only way this argument makes sense is to believe that the Mueller probe was never supposed to just be about Russia and the 2016 election. The only way that argument makes sense is to admit that the appointment was an excuse to go after Trump and his associates "in general".

But if that "is" the argument, then recent events certainly follow your script and proves your point. Paul Manafort and Michael Cohen were obviously shady characters and both had ties to Trump. Toss in the fact that a couple other associates (Flynn and Papadopoulos) plead guilty to providing false statements, and you are arguing pattern. The argument (of course) is that somehow the President is guilty by association. At least one Democrat has already determined that the Manafort guilty verdict should be considered an article of impeachment.

The other argument is that the Special Counsel was in fact appointed to investigate the 2016 election and Russian influence, and that we should be willing to hold Special Counsel to that standard. Under that assumption, Paul Manafort and Michael Cohen being charged is not only red herring but sure fire proof that Special Counsel has gone off script and that the original appointment was dishonest on it's face. It was never about Russia. It was just part of the ongoing attempt from those in the intelligence community to bring down Trump by any means.

Does that argument "ignore" or "underplay" the fact that several people have either plead or been found guilty of criminal activity? Sure it does. There is a pattern to some degree that doesn't necessarily "go away" because Robert Mueller has gone more than a little rogue. Now I believe that this pattern probably says as much about the "probe" as it does about the President and those who are associated with him, but it certainly "does" still say something about the President and those associated with him.

So at the end of the day, nobody is being completely honest here. Special Counsel has gone rogue (that is just a fact) and it's a matter of whether or not you believe that is a "good thing" or a "bad thing".  Obviously the left believes it's a good thing, while the right believes it's a bad thing. So certainly they will not agree to how things are going. They live in completely different worlds.

142 comments:

Donald Trump said...

“If anyone is looking for a good lawyer, I would strongly suggest that you don’t retain the services of Michael Cohen!”
--President Trump, on Twitter.

Then why did you retain him, stupid?

Anonymous said...

Go away pedo.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The Millions of people who are intellectually ruled by combination of bias confirmation and cognitive dissonance are the 80% of Republicans who ignore the lies, bigotry and hatred of all opponents of Donald Trump.

Anonymous said...

It is good that their wring doings are being punished.

When do we get to collusion?
When does Mueller and the 15 Anger Dem lawyers working for him do a full job and go after Hillary and her gang?

Anonymous said...

Roger, good morning.

Did you tell your current wife you where cheating on your former wife?

Ever use the word "Nigger" ?

. said...

When do we get to collusion?

We're there.

Anonymous said...



hinderaker over at 'powerline' had one of the better takes on this that i've read:


"None of this would be happening, of course, but for Bob Mueller’s effort to drive President Trump from office on behalf of his de facto client, the Democratic Party. In a nauseating bit of hypocrisy, Deputy U.S. attorney Robert Khuzami said today that “The essence of what this case is about is justice, and that is an equal playing field for all persons in the eyes of the law….” Equal justice has nothing to do with this prosecution. Michael Cohen was targeted solely because he was Trump’s personal lawyer, and enforcement of campaign finance law is anything but equal. Just ask Dinesh D’Souza.

As we and others have said many times, what is going on in the courts is mostly theater–unless, of course, you are Paul Manafort or Michael Cohen. President Trump can’t be indicted, so legal niceties are not very material. The Mueller Switch Project has three objectives: 1) furnish House Democrats (assuming they take the majority in November) with ammunition to impeach the President; 2) help the Democrats to win the midterm elections; and 3) make President Trump’s re-election less likely in 2020.

Today’s legal developments unquestionably represent a step forward for the Democrats on all three fronts. But in principle, there is no reason why they should change the landscape. Manafort’s conviction has nothing to do with Trump. And no matter how Mueller may try to dress it up with talk about campaign finance–which voters don’t care about, anyway–the Cohen plea simply confirms what we already knew–that Trump tried to keep Stephanie Clifford quiet. That may be a big deal to Melania, I can’t speak for her. But I doubt that it is a big deal to a significant number of voters, and I doubt that tomorrow’s headlines will move the needle on the midterm election."

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/08/a-bad-day-in-court.php


and the laugh quote of the day goes to:

Deputy U.S. attorney Robert Khuzami said today that “The essence of what this case is about is justice, and that is an equal playing field for all persons in the eyes of the law….”

Anonymous said...

Hillary buys a writing from Christy Steele, who said, it can't be verified. Then the FBI and CIA used it to attack the President.
Don't forget the top brass at the "FBI" has an "Insurance policy" and "Operation Cross fire hurricane".

Anonymous said...

"
infinitesimally"

Jane does not know the meaning of the above word.

C.H. Truth said...

80% of Republicans who ignore the lies, bigotry and hatred of all opponents of Donald Trump.

I don't ignore the lies, bigotry and hatred coming from the opponents of Donald Trump? I mean, we can't exactly get away from your lies, bigotry and hatred (and you consider yourself an opponent of Donald Trump).

James said...

“We’re in a Watergate moment. We need bipartisanship now more than ever to protect the special counsel and to stop, and I must underscore stop, any consideration of pardons.”
— Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), on CNN.

Anonymous said...



Blogger Roger Amick said...

The Millions of people who are intellectually ruled by combination of bias confirmation and cognitive dissonance are the 80% of Republicans who ignore the lies, bigotry and hatred of all opponents of Donald Trump.



oh hey alky. first of all, i'm bet you can't begin to understand what you just posted. i'm sure you voxxed it from somewhere because to an idiot it sounds smart.

now then...

got RUSSIA?

everything i'm reading about yesterday's convictions are devoid of mueller's original fishing trip objectives - russian collusion.

when will we get to that, alky?

this is getting expensive. and boring.



James said...

Cohen Would Not Accept Trump Pardon

Lanny Davis told NPR that his client, Michael Cohen, will “never accept” a pardon from President Trump.

Said Davis: “I know that Mr. Cohen would never accept a pardon from a man who he considers to be both corrupt and a dangerous person in the Oval Office. He has flatly authorized me to say under no circumstances would he accept a pardon from Mr. Trump, who used the pardon power in a way that no president in American history has ever used a pardon—to relieve people of guilt who committed crimes who are political cronies of his.”

Anonymous said...




— Sen. Richard "STOLEN VALOR" Blumenthal (D-CT), on CNN.


there ya go pederast. i fixed it for ya.

blumenthal is the worst kind of piece of shit there is.

Anonymous said...

I see that Socialist have renewed hope in US Market Crashes.

Anonymous said...

Go away pedo.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Cohen has knowledge “of interest” to special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, who is probing the Russian interference and whether there was coordination between Russia and Trump’s campaign.

Anonymous said...

An open letter from 14 Medal of Honor recipients to Sen. Blumenthal over his hypocrisy on Gorsuch"

Anonymous said...

Go away pedo.

Anonymous said...

Not Done with Manafort Yet

Playbook: “For Mueller and Manafort, the next trial starts Sept. 17 in Washington D.C. The now-convicted former Trump campaign chairman has pleaded not guilty to charges of money laundering, failing to register as a foreign agent for his work in Ukraine and obstruction of justice over the allegations of witness tampering after his initial indictments.

“Expect Manafort’s lawyers to go after Rick Gates if and when the government brings him back to the witness stand. There’s a preliminary hearing in the D.C. trial next Tuesday, Aug. 28.

“The Mueller prosecutors will be back before Judge Ellis on Aug. 29 in Alexandria to say whether they want to refile the 10 counts that the jury couldn’t reach a verdict on: failure to register his foreign bank accounts in three years, as well as seven of the bank fraud and bank fraud conspiracy charges. Ellis also hasn’t yet set a sentencing date for the charges Manafort was convicted on.”

Loretta said...

"Cohen has knowledge “of interest” to special counsel Robert S. Mueller II"

LOL.

Sure.

Anonymous said...

Denise, your faux "War Veteran" bloomingass.

"In 2003, you apparently stated, "When we returned [from Vietnam], we saw nothing like this [a public outpouring of support for deployed military personnel]."

In 2008, the New York Times reported you said, "We have learned something important since the days I served in Vietnam ..."

At a Vietnam War memorial in 2008, it is reported you stated, "I served during the Vietnam era ... I remember the taunts, the insults, sometimes even the physical abuse."

JAMES'S FUCKING DADDY said...

DUMBEST COMMENT OF THE MONTH or JUST ANOTHER LIE BY THE "PASTOR"

When do we get to collusion?

We're there.

What a fucking POS

ROFLMFAO !!!

Anonymous said...

Robert S. Mueller III, who is probing the Russian interference and whether there was coordination between Russia and Trump’s campaign."

He is, when does he file his report?

Oct. 15th, 2018 for maximum political and financial gain.

Mueller, Comey and Brennan all have CASHED in on thier security clearances.

Politicalwire.com said...

The Trump World Is Imploding

JAMES'S FUCKING DADDY said...

Sugar high for TDS partisans

and lying "pastors"

ROFLMFAO !!!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You can't accept the fact that 80% of Republicans who ignore the lies, bigotry and hatred of all opponents of Donald Trump.

You have become a person who believes that anyone who dares disagree or dislike Trump is intellectually dishonest.

Donald Trump has brought this upon himself from day one when he decided to run for President he said that Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

I don't lie about Trump.
I don't ignore his racism.
I don't ignore that he lies or distorts every single day.
I am not bigoted about Donald J. Trump. I am not bigoted about his tweets and intimidation of opponents.
I am not bigoted about Donald J Trump and his acceptance of the word of Vladimir Putin contrary to intelligence agencies attack on the 2016 election.

I find that his personal actions are undebatably contrary to the duties of the President of the United States.

cowardly king obama said...

Hey Roger, It's not about you and your blindness and attempt to self-justify your TDS partisanship.

But keep fooling yourself.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Donald Trump has brought this upon himself from day one when he decided to run for President he said that Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

I don't lie about Trump.
I don't ignore his racism.
I don't ignore that he lies or distorts every single day.
I am not bigoted about Donald J. Trump. I am not bigoted about his tweets and intimidation of opponents.
I am not bigoted about Donald J Trump and his acceptance of the word of Vladimir Putin contrary to intelligence agencies attack on the 2016 election.

I find that his personal actions are undebatably contrary to the duties of the President of the United States.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...

Cohen has knowledge “of interest” to special counsel Robert S. Mueller III



oooooooooohhhhhhh....

"of interest."

sounds uh, like not much.

cohen's problem is that his credibility is shot. he's a fucking liar. a liar that mueller would suddenly deem credible? well, since mueller's a dirty cop he might, but i think you're getting another thrill up your leg over nothing.

cowardly king obama said...

and Roger tries fingers in his ears and chanting...

like that will work

ROFLMFAO !!!

Loretta said...

LOL

C.H. Truth said...

You have become a person who believes that anyone who dares disagree or dislike Trump is intellectually dishonest.

Actually Roger...

I am just like most Americans, who believes that a President is a President. I didn't agree with much of what Obama did. He certainly proved to be corrupt. Many of those who worked for him have turned out to be absolute clowns. He certainly lied. He certainly lost his fair share of cases in court attempting to expand his own authority.

Never once did I demand that he be impeached or suggest that those who supported him were horrible people who needed to be called out as racists or bigots or whatever.


I could disagree with that President, without hatred of him, his supporters, or anyone else involved.

That is the difference between you and I, Roger. You cannot get past your own hate and frustration, and you simply decide to take it out on everyone who disagrees with you. But that is your "right". As is being so stupid as to not see that you "are" the very person that you criticize the President for being. You are just as petty, just as hateful, just as divisive.

Anonymous said...



You have become a person who believes that anyone who dares disagree or dislike Trump is intellectually dishonest.


look alky,

intellectual dishonesty is a core tenet of liberalism. look no further than the hypocrisy and double standards on display every day by liberals.

michelle goldberg from the ny times said on MSDNC that trump would like to round up his opponents and murder them.

that's as intellectually dishonest as it gets.

but intellectual dishonesty is a symptom.

the root cause is a seething, blinding, irrational, burning hatred for trump, coupled with a heaping helping of sore loserdom because the worst presidential candidate of the modern era lost a rigged election that we were guaranteed she would win.

you rant about trump's racism but refuse to provide even a single legitimate example. meanwhile, blacks and latinos are enjoying the lowest unemployment rates for their segment of the population in history.

is it trump's immigration policies that you find racist? boo-fucking-hoo. mollie tibbets was violently and permanently separated from her family by an illegal. but you guys defend her murderer because there's a poem inscribed on the statue of liberty.

so anyway.... your motivation is hatred, plain and simple. and it's not rational. not even a little bit.

you really need a psychiatrist.


C.H. Truth said...

Cohen's information of interest according to his attorneys...

... is that he is willing to tell Mueller that Trump knew about the Trump Tower meeting before it happened.

la-dee-god-damned-dah!

Loretta said...

"since mueller's a dirty cop he might, but i think you're getting another thrill up your leg over nothing."

Can't ever believe or trust a dirty cop. There's no telling WHAT lies he has up his dirty ass.

Anonymous said...




I find that his personal actions are undebatably contrary to the duties of the President of the United States.

first of all genius, "undebatably" is not even a word.

second, you continue to decry his personal actions without ever listing which one's you find offensive.

so let's start there.

is it his tweets, alky?

his hairstyle?

his orange glo tanning salon complexion?

his "crowd size" lies?

his golf handicap?

help us out here, alky. we're just trying to understand why you cry yourself to sleep every night.

Anonymous said...




Trump rose from the ashes of a fire that Obama set. The GOP had failed because it was too busy fighting the last war against liberal opponents who still believed in maintaining the order. It didn’t understand that Obama was qualitatively different than Carter or Clinton. He wasn’t just working within the system to transform it, but to destroy it, pitting its elements against each other to break them down.

The only response to a radical willing to burn everything down was an equal willingness to burn.

That is what Trump and Brexit both have in common. They’re creatively destructive responses to the destruction of the liberal order by revolutionary radicals.



http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2018/08/who-really-killed-liberalism.html


commie said...

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/201

One step above toilet paper rectum breath....I though allahpundit was your go to source for stupid opinions....

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

undebatably
English Edit
Etymology Edit
un- +‎ debatable +‎ -ly

Adverb Edit
undebatably (comparative more undebatably, superlative most undebatably)

In a way that is not debatable; in an undebatable way.
Synonyms Edit
unarguably
undisputably
Antonyms Edit
debatably

Anonymous said...




oh boy.

alky goes straight to the definition of his new-found word, and completely ignores the rest of my and CH's posts.

that's your MO alky.

the difference between you and i alky?

i didn't act like a fucking two year old for the 8 years of 0linsky's presidency.

a presidency that actually DID produce some high crimes and misdemeanors.

but we couldn't impeach the black guy. oh no. that would be racist.

heh.


Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The president's personal lawyer admitted under oath that @realDonaldTrump directed him to violate campaign finance laws.

Those who believe that Trump has done no wrong live in a different universe. Where truth is what Trump says it is.

Dictatorships have ruled that way for centuries. In the past and in the present.

We are going down the path towards a dictatorship.

No amount of desperate spin from @POTUS can change those facts.

Anonymous said...

Robert S. Mueller III, who is probing the Russian interference and whether there was coordination between Russia and Trump’s campaign."

He is, when does he file his report?

Oct. 15th, 2018 for maximum political and financial gain.

Mueller, Comey and Brennan all have CASHED in on thier security clearances.

Anonymous said...

The president's personal lawyer admitted under oath that @realDonaldTrump directed him to violate campaign finance laws.


no alky.

what cohen admitted under oath is that COHEN violated campaign finance laws.

but don't let the truth interfere with a good TDS meltdown.

cowardly king obama said...

@seanmdav

It’s not often in politics that you get a near-perfect political analog for a scandal with the parties switching sides, but in the cases of John Edwards and Donald Trump, we may actually have one.

What Edwards did—fathered a child with his mistress while his wife was dying of cancer, then had hush money paid out—was far more heinous than anything Trump was accused of. The legal ramifications, though, are roughly the same.

Unlike Trump, the Edwards case was open and shut. The indiscretions he wanted to cover up were not disputed by any party. The payments were directly tied to and a result of a political campaign.
And yet...a jury refused to convict him of a single charge.

The facts in the Edwards case were so much more salacious and damning, yet he was not convicted of violating any laws. That very recent history is worth keeping in mind as people breathlessly expound on Trump’s legal jeopardy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/14/us/politics/john-edwards-charges-dismissed.html

Anonymous said...

An Illinois judge on Monday slammed the officials who failed to enforce a 2012 ICE detainer on an illegal immigrant who later was able to beat and rape three women -- even though he "shouldn't have been in this country."

Miguel C. Luna, 37, a Mexican national who was living in Joliet, was given the maximum sentence of 80 years in prison on Monday after he admitted last May to the physical and sexual assaults of two women who were running on a state trail in separate incidents in 2015 and 2016. Luna also admitted to raping a third woman who has since died.

“You shouldn’t have been in this country,” Judge David Carlson said, according to the Chicago Tribute. “The system let the victims down in this case.”

The judge said he did not understand why Luna had not been deported in 2012 when a fugitive warrant for his arrest was issued by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

“You were free to do these acts...whether through misguided political correctness or people who do not believe in laws or borders,” Carlson said. “One thing I can do with the sentence is show that the laws we believe in here, maybe this won’t happen again, maybe that’s a little bit of closure.”


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/22/illegal-immigrant-who-committed-multiple-rapes-after-2012-ice-detainer-not-enforced-gets-80-years-in-prison.html


don't limit it to PC or no belief in laws, judge.

it's because the donks needed his vote.



Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Cohen said that Trump directed him to commit crimes.

Scott has been dishonesty formed an opinion differing from his personal opinion is mental illness.

Anonymous said...




"So it looks like the Manafort trial wrapped it up yesterday. Turns out he's guilty on the tax evasion counts, for stuff he did back in 2005. This has nothing to do with Trump or any supposed collusion with Russia. Not only was that stuff not on the table, it wasn't even in the same room as the table. Also, Michael Cohen pled guilty to some campaign finance violations that were actually are smaller than Obama's.

And this is a civil, not a criminal violation for which the Obama campaign had to pay a fine of $375,000. Which, again, has nothing to do with Trump or any supposed collusion with Russia. But the progs are all hootin' and hollerin' and giving each other high fives while going 'woo woo' as if they fully expect to see Trump in handcuffs by the end of the week. They're going to turn into tantrum-throwing two-year-olds when it finally dawns on them that it's all a big nothingburger with a side order of nada and a 16 oz. cup of bupkis -- with no straw. But by then they'll be on to the next scandal, which is looking like it's going to be some tape recordings Omarosa made of Trump burping after a meal. Of course, if she had anything really damning, she would've released it by now. My guess is that she's trying to squeeze every last dime she can out of the time she was with Trump before people catch on that she's got nothing."


h/t: AoS



cowardly king obama said...

"Scott has been dishonesty formed an opinion differing from his personal opinion is mental illness."

Yet another example of a sentence showing TDS mental illness. Self denial is not a cure.

GET HELP.

cowardly king obama said...

And this is a civil, not a criminal violation for which the Obama campaign had to pay a fine of $375,000. Which, again, has nothing to do with Trump or any supposed collusion with Russia.

TRUMP 2020, and the last sane liberal will go mad.

If any last that long.

Anonymous said...



Roger Amick said...

Cohen said that Trump directed him to commit crimes.



according to who? maggie haberman's anonymous sources? this is your claim backed up by nothing but lanny davis' rhetoric. davis is a lifelong clinton hack, so logic would call for suspicion of his claim until they could be independently verified.




Scott has been dishonesty formed an opinion differing from his personal opinion is mental illness.

so, piss poor grammar aside, how are you coming on your own blog, alky?

i mean, it's apparently too much for you to bear to be inundated with CH's opinions, so i would fully expect someone as outraged as you to storm off and create your own blog. or at least comment on a blog like democrat underground which completely echo's your beliefs.

C.H. Truth said...

The president's personal lawyer admitted under oath that @realDonaldTrump directed him to violate campaign finance laws.

No, he admitted it in a plea agreement, Roger. It will carry zero weight for anyone who actually understands campaign finance laws.

First and foremost... if this was an actual campaign finance expenditure, then it should have been paid for out of the general campaign fund, correct?

But if they had actually used campaign finance money to pay hush money over an affair, everyone would have screamed that it was dual expenditure (one that benefits both the campaign and the person) - which are illegal to use campaign funds for.

It might help the campaign if the candidate drove a nicer car, had a Rolex watch, and $10,000 suits... but you cannot purchase a car, or a Rolex, or anything like that with campaign finance money. You would be thrown in jail, because those expenditures benefit you personally (not just benefit the campaign).

So if you want to make the argument that a NDA in this case was "not" of benefit to Trump's personal life, then it's a campaign finance expenditure. If it benefited him personally (as well), then it was "not" a campaign finance expenditure... regardless of what Cohen "claimed" in his plea.

Grow up, Roger.

Anonymous said...




Scott has been dishonesty formed an opinion differing from his personal opinion is mental illness.


and i almost failed to note -

the alky's struggle with psychological projection continues unabated.

GOT RUSSIA, alky?

manafort case - NO RUSSIA.

cohen case - NO RUSSIA.

mueller's fishing license had RUSSIA written all over it.

what happened to RUSSIA alky???



Anonymous said...



But that crisis has hardly compared to the scrutiny Cohen has received since January, when The Wall Street Journal first reported that he facilitated a $130,000 payment to Clifford weeks before the 2016 presidential election. Cohen has reiterated, as he noted in his friend’s sunlit office, that the six-figure payout came out of his own pocket, and that he was not reimbursed by the Trump Organization or the Trump campaign. It was not an election issue, in other words.


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/03/michael-cohen-offers-his-side-of-the-stormy-daniels-saga

John Harwood said...

It Only Gets Worse for Trump from Here

John Harwood: “Trump’s weak public standing remains above the 40 percent level mainly because of the strong economy. But his reliance on crude demagoguery about immigration before friendly campaign audiences – including Tuesday night in West Virginia – demonstrates that his principal economic arguments lack punch with the electorate. Average workers have gained little from Trump’s tax cuts, and his trade wars threaten to cost more jobs than they save.

“Republican lawmakers will not suddenly abandon Trump any more than Republican lawmakers suddenly abandoned Richard Nixon 45 years as the flames of Watergate grew higher. Their survival instincts won’t permit it, given the allegiance of Trump’s diminished but still fervent base among GOP voters.

“But concrete legal developments erode political defenses. There will soon be fewer Republican members of Congress than hold office today.”

Walter Shapiro said...

Any October Surprises Will Likely Help Democrats

Walter Shapiro: “Right now, the consensus of soothsayers suggests that the Democrats will take back the House. Nate Silver, for example, at his FiveThirtyEight website gives the Democrats a 73 percent chance of regaining the speaker’s gavel, and his model suggest a pickup of 34 House seats.

“But when you factor in the possibility of the unexpected, I would argue that the Democrats’ chances to win the House are actually higher. On the Senate side, the daunting map for Democrats still makes it a stretch, regardless of external events.

“Obviously, if I could predict the future, including black-swan events, I would be in a more lucrative racket than journalism. But when you think of the Trump presidency and the various types of potential October surprises, it is hard to concoct a scenario that would aid the Republicans.”

Anonymous said...




One of Manafort’s associates in the whole lobbying enterprise was Tony Podesta, who has yet to be indicted for his role.


http://thefederalist.com/2018/08/22/6-takeaways-about-paul-manafort-and-michael-cohens-legal-woes/


interesting.

i figured a few democrats attached to all this shit would've been sacrificed to at least try to place a thin veneer of impartiality to all of this.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

He is an unindicted co-conspirator in the federal courts.

American Voters said...

Hillary broke campaign finance laws by not reporting the expenditures that paid for the phoney dossier.

Obama broke laws In his 2008 campaign and had to pay $375K fine for it.

Meanwhile none of this has anything to do with Russia.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Campaign law escapes your limitations that are blocking reality.

Grow up

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...
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Anonymous said...

"John Harwood"

Go away pedo.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

No, he admitted it in a plea agreement.

This is not true. There is no plea agreement. Look it up your ass. Grow up.

Anonymous said...

"Walter Shapiro"

Go away James the pedo.

Anonymous said...




so tony podesta was referred by mueller to NY prosecutors.

big fucking deal.

watch closely at how you will never see or hear about podesta or his legal woes ever again.

C.H. Truth said...

Campaign law escapes your limitations that are blocking reality.

Actually I read some different opinions, and then checked the laws to see who is correct.

A contribution or donation described in subsection
(a) shall not be converted by any person
to personal use.

For the purposes of paragraph (1), a contribution
or donation shall be considered to be
converted to personal use if the contribution
or amount is used to fulfill any commitment,
obligation, or expense of a person that would
exist irrespective of the candidate’s election
campaign or individual’s duties as a holder of
Federal office,


So Roger, the question is simple.

If Trump had used campaign contributions to pay off the National Inquirer to not run a story, or paid a porn star a NDA to keep quiet... would people have argued that these are things that he would have done anyways (because he is a celebrity and had a reputation to keep)?

Michael Cohen was his "fixer" long before he was a Candidate for President. This was not the first time money changed hands to keep people quiet in the Donald Trump world, and Donald Trump was not the only person that Cohen had brokered NDA for (he did it for others who were not political candidates).

Anonymous said...




without even a cursory understanding of campaign finance contributions, this is where the alky desperately hopes this is going:

In-kind contributions
Goods and services
Goods or services offered free or at less than the usual charge result in an in-kind contribution. Similarly, when a person pays for services on the committee’s behalf, the payment is an in-kind contribution. An expenditure made by any person in cooperation, consultation or concert with, or at the request or suggestion of, a candidate’s campaign is also considered an in-kind contribution to the candidate.

Goods (such as facilities, equipment, supplies or mailing lists) are valued at the price the item or facility would cost if purchased or rented at the time the contribution is made. For example, if someone donates a personal computer to the campaign, the contribution equals the ordinary market price of the computer at the time of the contribution. Services (such as advertising, printing or consultant services) are valued at the prevailing commercial rate at the time the services are rendered.

The contributor needs to notify the recipient candidate committee of the value of an in-kind contribution. The recipient needs this information in order to monitor the contributor’s aggregate contributions and to report the correct amount.

Under limited exemptions in the law, persons may provide certain goods and services to a committee without making contributions. For example, when services are volunteered—not paid for by anyone—the activity is not considered a contribution.

Advances of personal funds

When an individual uses personal funds (or personal credit) to pay for a campaign expense, that payment is generally an in-kind contribution from that individual. Although such advances are considered in-kind contributions until reimbursed, special reporting rules apply when individuals pay for campaign expenses and later receive reimbursement from the committee.


https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/candidate-taking-receipts/types-contributions/


the alky's only fly in the ointment is this:

Cohen has reiterated, as he noted in his friend’s sunlit office, that the six-figure payout came out of his own pocket, and that he was not reimbursed by the Trump Organization or the Trump campaign. It was not an election issue, in other words.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/03/michael-cohen-offers-his-side-of-the-stormy-daniels-saga


so, was cohen lying then or is he lying now?

trump, otoh, has remained consistent on the issue since day one.

Loretta said...

"He is an unindicted co-conspirator in the federal courts."

Alleged, alky.

C.H. Truth said...

Moreover...

The fact is that Trump and Cohen had been trying to reach a NDA with Stormy Daniels since 2011.

Anonymous said...




2011?

even trump didn't know he was running back then.

bitter clinger alky had better prepare to be let down again.

Anonymous said...

Dearest Socialist Democrats. I want you to continue to HATE Trump. Yes, as your 457b, 401k, college IRA and 529 plans grow in wealth.

"In the U.S., second-quarter dividends rose 4.5% to a record $117.1 billion. Underlying growth came in at 7.8%, a two-year high. Technology and financial companies were the largest contributors to growth, with financials alone accounting for a roughly a quarter of all payouts. Only 2% of companies cut their payouts, Janus’s report read, with General Electric GE-0.79% being the largest.

The trend of U.S. companies returning cash to shareholders was greatly accelerated by the tax-cut bill that was passed in late 2017. That bill provided an immediate boost to corporate profits, resulting in both boosted dividends and expanded stock-buyback programs. According to data from S&P Dow Jones Indices, buybacks rose 57% in the second quarter.

Earlier this month, Goldman Sachs analysts estimated that repurchasing programs would reach $1 trillion this year, up 46% from 2017, a surge it credited to the tax bill."

Anonymous said...

about podesta or his legal woes ever again."

Yep.

Look how well the Bernie Sanders Bank fraud has been buried.

Anonymous said...

Question for the socialist.
2018
2020 if you win, it was because of fraud right?

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Lisa Kern Griffin, law professor, Duke University
The president’s personal attorney has given sworn testimony in open court that he committed campaign finance violations in coordination with and at the direction of the president. Although the president is not named in the charges, he is all but an unindicted co-conspirator.

This turn in the president’s fortunes is dramatic and damaging, and it should have political repercussions even if it does not have immediate legal ones. All of this is occurring in the Southern District of New York and involves wrongdoing in addition to the campaign activities that are the focus of the special counsel’s investigation.

Jens David Ohlin, law professor, Cornell University
Trump is clearly guilty of violating campaign finance laws and also guilty of federal conspiracy as well (because he agreed with Cohen, and possibly others, on a plan to violate federal law). Normally he would be indicted right away. But that won’t happen only because he’s the president. But I suspect he’ll be named as an unindicted co-conspirator and also there’ll be a separate section of the Mueller report titled “Conspiracy to Violate Campaign Finance Laws” or something like that.


Michael Kang, law professor, Northwestern University
Michael Cohen’s guilty plea to campaign finance violations has important implications for President Trump. Cohen reportedly admitted that the payments he arranged for Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal on Trump’s behalf were campaign related, not personal expenditures, and were made with the coordination and at the direction of a federal candidate.

Assuming he or prosecutors can substantiate this claim, the payments were illegal campaign contributions that exceeded the applicable limits and needed to be reported. What’s more, if Trump knew the payments were campaign related and directed them, as Cohen alleges, then Trump too violated campaign finance law.

Diane Marie Amann, law professor, University of Georgia
The president’s lawyer, Michael Cohen, has just pleaded guilty to violating federal tax, banking, and campaign finance laws. The big question, of course, is the extent to which the case against Cohen involves others. If the Cohen investigation unearthed evidence implicating the President in the crimes of conviction — whether through statements by Cohen or through documents seized from him — that is very good news for Mueller and very bad news for Trump.

Joshua Dressler, law professor, Ohio State University
Cohen’s admission that the hush money that constituted 2 felony convictions, was done at the direction of a candidate for federal office, clearly implicates the President in those campaign violations. Essentially, Cohen, under oath, in a federal court, has alleged that the President of the United States conspired to violate federal law.

If he were not a sitting president this would constitute grounds for indictment on those charges. As a sitting president this constitutes, if Congress wishes to do so, impeachable offenses. But, as we know, impeachment is a political rather than a legal concept, and it would seem pretty clear that nothing will occur with the current Congress.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Ciara Torres-Spelliscy, law professor, Stetson University
Two counts that Michael Cohen plead guilty were for campaign finance violations: (a) for causing an illegal corporate contribution and (b) for an excessive personal campaign contribution for his payments to two women during the 2016 campaign.


United States campaign finance laws have been watered down by the Roberts Supreme Court since 2006, but there are a few pillars of campaign finance law that the Supreme Court has upheld again and again: (1) bans on corporations’ giving directly to federal candidates, (2) bans on foreigners’ spending in US elections, (3) the lawfulness of contribution limits and (4) the requirement that money going into and going out of federal campaign be fully disclosed.

Another fundamental requirement of campaign finance law is that campaign funds be used for legitimate campaign expenditures and not for personal use. The Cohen pleas on counts 7 and 8 appear to acknowledge his working with candidate Trump to violate federal campaign finance laws by violating two of those pillars (the corporate ban and the contribution limits), which aim to prevent corruption of the American political process.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/21/17765566/michael-cohen-plea-deal-trump-mueller

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Asha Rangappa, former FBI agent and senior lecturer, Yale University
It remains to be seen whether or not Michael Cohen has any valuable information to offer to prosecutors that may be able to reduce his sentence for the charges he is now pleading guilty to. Most of the focus has been on the information he could potentially provide to Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller in the Russia probe.


But a potentially bigger threat to President Trump is what Cohen could provide to the Southern District of New York about potential crimes committed by Trump or members of his family that are unrelated to the Russia probe. Michael Cohen, as Trump’s longtime “fixer” knows where the proverbial bodies are buried when it comes to the Trump Organization and particularly its finances going back many, many years.

If Cohen provided information on potentially criminal activities to the Southern District and it opened an investigation into them, it would place the President in a double bind: First, since it would be an investigation separate and apart from the Mueller probe, he wouldn’t be able to argue that the Special Counsel exceeded his mandate or crossed a “red line” — after all, any U.S. Attorney’s office is legally authorized (and duty-bound) to investigate any violations of federal law it learns about.

More importantly, such an investigation would be completely insulated from any steps Trump might take to fire Mueller, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, or even Attorney General Jeff Sessions (especially since his interim pick to head the Southern District who recused himself from overseeing the Cohen investigation, would undoubtedly recuse himself from any other Trump-related investigation as well). So Trump has much more to fear from Cohen than just what he knows about Russia-related matters.


Christopher Slobogin, law professor, Vanderbilt University
If Cohen pleads guilty to violating campaign finance law by making payments to Daniels, and it can be proven that Trump sought, or encouraged him to make, the payments, Trump would be guilty of conspiring to commit a federal crime.

His defense might be that he did not know the payments would violate campaign finance law, but ignorance of the law is typically not an excuse. Whether that type of crime is an impeachable offense, however, is up to Congress.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Ric Simmons, law professor, Ohio State University
The fact that Cohen implicated President Trump in his plea allocation is extremely significant, since it ties Trump directly to illegal campaign activity. Although the plea agreement does not mention cooperation with the special prosecutor’s office, Cohen’s willingness to speak out against Trump now implies he will cooperate with the special counsel moving forward, perhaps in the hopes of obtaining a lower sentence.


Also newsworthy is the fact that last week the special master in the case finished her review of the documents seized from Cohen’s office and determined that almost none of the documents are protected by attorney-client privilege. Judge Wood formally adopted that finding on Monday. This means that almost all of these documents will be available to prosecutors investigating the Trump campaign. Given Cohen’s admissions today, these documents from his office may prove to be very valuable to the special prosecutor’s office.

Andrew Wright, law professor, Savannah Law School
If Michael Cohen engaged in federal crimes at the direction of Donald Trump, then Trump will likely be guilty of those crimes on some combination of solicitation, aiding and abetting, and conspiracy. This is not the Mueller investigation, and it is not obstruction of justice inquiry in which the Trump legal team can assert some theory of executive power impossibility for obstruction crimes grounded in his official acts. If Donald Trump conspired with to commit felonies as a candidate, the only thing that might protect him is the question of whether he couldn’t be indicted for the duration of his tenure in office.

Douglas Spencer, law professor, University of Connecticut
While Cohen’s guilty plea has no bearing on the question whether the Mueller investigation was properly instigated, claims that the Mueller investigation is a “witch hunt” will be further undermined as yet another individual connected to the Trump campaign admits that he broke the law.


Substantively, while Michael Cohen never held an official position on the campaign team, his guilty plea reportedly says he acted at the direction of a candidate (presumably Donald Trump) with the purpose of influencing the election. President Trump admitted via tweet on May 3 that he reimbursed Cohen for his (now admittedly illegal) payment to Stormy Daniels, so Cohen’s guilty plea will certainly implicate President Trump.

The media is reporting that Cohen will not cooperate with Mueller. But he may not have to. Rudy Giuliani drew the dots and Cohen’s admission now arguably connects them.

Anonymous said...




you can always tell when the alky's argument is on shaky ground when he latches on to the juicebox mafia.

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/21/17765566/michael-cohen-plea-deal-trump-mueller


vox:site safety

days since last lost credibility on this site: 0.


LOL.

check in with salon alky. they probably have an opinion you agree with too.

just make sure you give them credit.

Anonymous said...




WOW!!!11!

a full blown alky-lanche of copy/pastes!!!11!


AWESOME!

Anonymous said...



here you go alky -

salon: the walls are closing in!!!

https://www.salon.com/2018/08/22/president-donald-trumps-worst-day-yet-manafort-cohen-fall-and-the-walls-are-closing-in/

C.H. Truth said...

Roger --

We could all cut and paste the opinions of lots of people. I read about a half dozen of the legal experts I trust, and they pretty much disagreed with "your experts" across the board.

So when you have experts split, Roger...

You look for yourself. Which is exactly what I did.

The side you are citing are focused on the "broader concept" of someone pleading guilty. The side I am citing is focused on the specific aspects of the law.

The specific aspects of the law back up the argument that a NDA is not a campaign expenditure. Those are the facts. I looked them up myself. Since these FACTS back up what the experts I trust are saying...

Why the fuck would I care what you cut and pasted?

Seriously Roger.

LOOK AT THE FUCKING LAW!!!!

commie said...

Why the fuck would I care what you cut and pasted?

Because he usually kicks your scrawny white ass to hell and back....But you always claim victory with an absurd straw man argument that prove nothing but your bias...Facts and your site are diametrically opposed and are usually opinions, like the side you cited....opinion....sorry...you got your ass kicked again in your own words...LOLOLOLOL!!

Anonymous said...




when all the alky has is a copy/paste hammer, all of his opinions are imbecilic liberal nails.

for some reason he thinks that simply copy/pasting without comment makes him look smart or something.

if this board is the corleone family, the alky is fredo.


C.H. Truth said...

This is actually a good one:

United States campaign finance laws have been watered down by the Roberts Supreme Court since 2006, but there are a few pillars of campaign finance law that the Supreme Court has upheld again and again: (1) bans on corporations’ giving directly to federal candidates, (2) bans on foreigners’ spending in US elections, (3) the lawfulness of contribution limits and (4) the requirement that money going into and going out of federal campaign be fully disclosed.

Another fundamental requirement of campaign finance law is that campaign funds be used for legitimate campaign expenditures and not for personal use. The Cohen pleas on counts 7 and 8 appear to acknowledge his working with candidate Trump to violate federal campaign finance laws by violating two of those pillars (the corporate ban and the contribution limits), which aim to prevent corruption of the American political process.



So to break it down for you... Cohen and Trump used their own money to create a dummy company to pay for a NDA for Stormy Daniels that they have been trying to agree to since 2011.

It becomes illegal because of three "required" assumptions:

1) The money (which ultimately came from Trump) is actually a campaign contribution.
2) The campaign contribution comes from a company (because it was funneled).
3) The campaign contribution (of Trump's own money) was used for personal use.

Why isn't it a personal use of personal money for a non-campaign expenditure? Because Michael Cohen says so?



commie said...

Anyone here on the righteous trump side want to admit donnie boy is having his shittiest week evah??? Wining bigly, D' reps with another R rep indicted for financial improprieties......Wonder who will be on the ballot in that Ca district?????

Anonymous said...

Sure. Bad week. Feel better?

Anonymous said...

Former Presidential Canidate John "boats are cool" Edwards had been charged with campaign finance violations.

commie said...

Fixed it for you CH......

Cohen and Trump used their own money to create a dummy company to pay for a NDA for to influence the POTUS election and hide the truth from malodorous...Your kind of crooks....LOLOLOL...The other day your amusing post about how rich donnie was and could have paid it has bitten you in the ass again.....but your research is great and spreads some knowledge to those not as smart as you think you are....Too funny

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Honestly I believe that the campaign money was used to influence the outcome of the election. If Trump used personal money to influence the election it appears to me that it is a violation of campaign regulations. Especially since the maximum contribution exceeds the campaign laws.

commie said...

That is typical of KD....never actually answer the question because you can't.....I said shittiest week evah...not even close....Mr. 4.6% wage growth....idiot..

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The vast majority of experts on campaign finance laws disagree with your opinion based upon your personal partisan beliefs. You still believe that the Deep State conspiracy theory has made the investigation invalid.

GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS!

commie said...

What are the odds donnie did this properly????? None....ZERO Snowballs chance in hell?????? The republican party has become the party of corruption!!!!

commie said...

What are the odds donnie did this properly????? None....ZERO Snowballs chance in hell?????? The republican party has become the party of corruption!!!!

Trump is allowed to donate unlimited funds to his own campaign. If the money given to the women was designed to shield him from embarrassment during his run for office, which would make it a campaign expense, the payoffs wouldn’t necessarily have been improper if the funds came directly from Trump and were reported in required filings with the Federal Election Commission.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...


Honestly I believe that the campaign money was used to influence the outcome of the election.



of course you believe it. you're desperate to believe it. you NEED to believe it...

...because that's how much you hate trump. a hatred so seething, so irrational, and so completely overwhelming it's all you think about morning, noon and night.


i have to tell you alky, i had no fucking use for 0linsky. i mean zero, as in none. in terms of making progress he was a galactic fucking failure and in terms of doing harm to the nation it will take decades for us to recover.

but having said all that, i never let the asshole consume me like trump consumes you. skeets was a piece of shit, a racist who hated white people and didn't care all that much for america. but through all that my most visceral reaction to the sight of the guy was to change the fucking channel or turn the page.

you on the other hand need help. serious professional help. you should spend less time here and more time on the psychiatrist's couch instead of the fainting couch.


Anonymous said...



Blogger Roger Amick said...


The vast majority of experts on campaign finance laws disagree with your opinion based upon your personal partisan beliefs.



no alky.

the vast majority of experts on campaign finance laws ON VOX whom you agree with and confirm your deep seated bias and seething hatred of trump are who you cite.

that's IT.

you probably haven't scratched the surface on these self-proclaimed experts. and still... you have not bothered to research and read the laws for yourself.

C.H. Truth said...

Honestly I believe that the campaign money was used to influence the outcome of the election. If Trump used personal money to influence the election it appears to me that it is a violation of campaign regulations. Especially since the maximum contribution exceeds the campaign laws.

Two problems Roger.

1) There is no limit to how much a candidate can spend on their own campaign. Trump took no donations during the primary. Entirely self funded.

2) It's only considered a campaign expenditure if it exists solely for the campaign. It is not considered a legal campaign expenditure if it is used for something that personally benefits a candidate. (eg - a candidate cannot purchase clothing from campaign funds, even if those clothes are designed to help the candidate look good for the campaign).


You are simply making up campaign laws. Plain and simple. Every time someone comes up with a "new Trump crime" it is generally entirely made up.

Anonymous said...

Yep.

caliphate4vr said...

Especially since the maximum contribution exceeds the campaign laws.

My god you know nothing about that of which you speak. There’s no maximum a person can contribute to their campaign.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Since Citizens United I was wrong. But to give money in contrast to the law, according to all accounts the fact that the candidate Trump directed him to violate campaign law.

Anonymous said...

Dennis said;
"Anyone here on the righteous trump side want to admit donnie boy is having his shittiest week evah???"

I said , Yes.

Triggered Dennis To start uncontrolled cursing, again.

Anonymous said...

Dennis, I checked.
297.24 USD −0.94 (0.32%) today.

High was $358.27.



Anonymous said...

I agree with Roger.
The 2018 Election is about Impeachment of President Trump.

caliphate4vr said...

Since Citizens United I was wrong.

Wrong again check how much Ross Perot contributed to his campaign, long before McCain-Feingold

But nice try

Anonymous said...

2016 Election Spending by Campaign.
Hillary $1,200,000,000.00
Trump. $ 322,000,000.00

Anonymous said...

Cali = Facts

Roger = Socialist Emotions

C.H. Truth said...

Roger -

Nobody on the planet would have ever suspected that agreeing to a NDA would ever be looked at as a "campaign expenditure" much less a "campaign contribution". Certainly if Trump was paying for it, there would be no consideration that someone would come along and charge someone else with a crime for it.

So how can someone "advise" someone to commit a crime for an action that nobody could imagine would ever be considered a crime??

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Trump is stupid enough to tell his fixer to break the law. The audio recording shows that they were considered to break the law. But you don't give a flying fuck

Traitor

Anonymous said...

"Mark Penn, the former pollster for both Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton, has penned an op-ed in The Hill Wednesday in which he argues that Michael Cohen’s guilty plea shows the double standard that prosecutors have applied unfairly to Donald Trump.
Penn argues that while what Trump is alleged to have done — paying Stormy Daniels for a non-disclosure agreement she had sought for five years prior to the election — was legal, Hillary Clinton failed to report campaign expenditures that led to the Steele dossier."

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

For all of my opposition to Donald Trump, I have long been skeptical of the political wisdom or evidentiary basis of efforts to impeach him.

My reasons: First, being a terrible president and a wretched person are not impeachable offenses. Second, Robert Mueller’s investigation has so far produced evidence that can be interpreted as obstruction of justice, but not as clear proof. Third, impeachment in the House would be unlikely to translate into conviction in the Senate, even if Democrats win both chambers in the fall. Fourth, impeachment without conviction could strengthen Trump politically, much as it did for Bill Clinton after his own 1998 impeachment.

And, like it or not, Trump remains popular with tens of millions of Americans. To overturn the results of an election for anything less than unambiguous evidence of criminal behavior is a danger to democracy itself.

At least that was my view until this week. Michael Cohen’s guilty plea changes this. The Constitution’s standard for impeachment is “Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.” The standard is now met.

To conservatives reading this column, ask yourselves the following questions:

If breaking the law (by lying under oath) to conceal an affair was impeachable, why is breaking the law (by violating campaign-finance laws) to conceal an affair not impeachable?

If “cheating the electoral system” (by means of a burglary) was impeachable, why is cheating the electoral system (by means of illicit hush money) not impeachable?

If cheating “our institutions” (by means of an “assault” in “every way” on the legal system) is impeachable, why is cheating those institutions (by means of nonstop presidential mendacity and relentless attacks on the Justice Department and the F.B.I.) not impeachable?

Pragmatists will rejoin that there’s no sense in advocating impeachment when the G.O.P. controls Congress. I’m sorry that so many congressional Republicans have lost their sense of moral principle and institutional self-respect, but that’s a reason to seek Democratic victories in the fall. The Constitution matters more than a tax cut. What the Constitution demands is the impeachment and removal from office of this lawless president.

Follow The New York Times Opinion section on Facebook and Twitter (@NYTopinion), and sign up for the Opinion Today newsletter.

Bret L. Stephens joined The Times as an Op-Ed columnist in 2017 after a long career with The Wall Street Journal, where he was deputy editorial page editor and a foreign affairs columnist. Before that he was the editor in chief of The Jerusalem Post.

Our host dosesn't give a shit about the country.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/22/opinion/donald-trump-cohen-impeachment.html

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Unlike in 1974, today there seems to be no Barry Goldwater figure of sufficient political or moral stature willing or able to go to Donald Trump to tell him the jig is up. Indeed, his loud and intense base of support around the country seems sufficient at this stage of the Mueller investigation against him to give him hope of political survival in the end.

Meanwhile, the president and his defense lawyers led by former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani continue to argue there was "no collusion" by the Trump organization or administration with the Russian elections meddling, amid speculation Trump may eventually resort to firing Mueller.

Such a step certainly would be widely seen as obstruction of justice and grounds for the impeachment Nixon in 1974 escaped only by resignation.

So the party finds itself potentially facing a re-run of that destructive episode, recovery from which might not be so easy with much of the party so hollowed out by the Trump phenomenon.

Hence the November midterm elections loom as much more important than usual, with turnout in both parties key to whether the Trump reign of chaos and mutual animosity will be halted, slowed or licensed to continue on its merry way for another two years.

Anonymous said...

Roger, you have it all. You have the Mueller investigation and now so many charges and convictions.
Do go wobbly now. Go for the King, Impeachment.

commie said...

Seen recently on the net....

IF TRUMP WANTS A BIG PARADE....ALL HE HAS TO DO IS RESIGN......

Got a chuckle out of me.....

commie said...

Blogger KD said...
Cali = Facts

You mean cause and effect bullshitter cali????? The same guy who claimed eliminating the ACA mandate was driving the GDP higher???? That cali?????

commie said...

Some learned opinion on what the scandals will do to the markets.....nothing to worry about knowing Manafort is a good man who didn't flip on donnie.......good for him I hope he has a good cellmate named Big Dick LeRoy......

How the Trump scandals will affect financial markets: The tumultuous Trump presidency has been good for markets, so far. But investors now have some heady new possibilities to consider. The recent convictions of Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump’s former lawyer, and Paul Manafort, his 2016 campaign manager, have exposed Trump to more political peril than he has faced in his 18 months in office. Both men know details of Trump’s business and political dealings that could fuel the investigation of special counsel Robert Mueller. [Yahoo Finance]

Fed signals readiness to hike again: U.S. central bankers are ready to raise interest rates again so long as the economy stays on track, according to a record of the Federal Reserve’s most recent policy meeting. [Bloomberg]

U.S.-China trade war escalates as new tariffs kick in: The U.S. and China escalated their acrimonious trade war on Thursday, implementing punitive 25% tariffs on $16 billion worth of each other’s goods, even as mid-level officials from both sides resumed talks in Washington. The world’s two largest economies have now slapped tit-for-tat tariffs on a combined $100 billion of products since early July, with more in the pipeline. [Reuters]

Anonymous said...

Record Bull Market Run Under Trump.

Anonymous said...




Our host dosesn't give a shit about the country.


yet your outrage still hasn't motivated you enough to start your own blog.

show some respect for our host, alky.

commie said...

Record Bull Market Run Under Trump.

BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!! what's the length of the bull market asshole????? 3453 days????? And the market was run under trump, only???? Yep, you are an unmitigated asshole stuck in trumps rectum.....come out and see the light!!!!!!! Give it time, especially if there is any more indictments......so sad!!!

commie said...

yet your outrage still hasn't motivated you enough to start your own blog.

SO FUCKING WHAT RECTUM BREATH!!!!! I am sure you would miss his beatings he lays on you daily!!!!!

commie said...

Anyone see the fox poll that now has 59% approval for the mueller probe???? +10 since july....I guess all the trump BS has flat lined for the voters....even on fox!!!!

Anonymous said...



Roger Amick said...

Trump is stupid enough to tell his fixer to break the law.



yeah, all multi-billionaires are. it's a common trait. and the more billions they amass, the stupider they are.

The audio recording shows that they were considered to break the law.

i've listened to it. several times. it shows no such thing. what you want to hear, what you NEED to hear is not anywhere on that recording, alky. once again you're projecting your feelings and desires onto the situation. a common trait of TDS and general trump hatred these days.

But you don't give a flying fuck

about your deranged opinions?

that would be correct. no sane, rational individual can look at this situation, or all the shit that trump has been put through since he declared he was running, and come away feeling like you do.

your invincible ignorance was on full display on this thread alky. particularly when it came to campaign contribution law.

we expected a meltdown and were not disappointed.

psychiatric help, alky. get some.






commie said...

A great head line from fox news...... I hope you all are wanting to take a bullet for your asshole in chief!!!


Fox News Poll: Democrats maintain lead in race for House

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/22/fox-news-poll-democrats-maintain-lead-in-race-for-house.html

Democrats are in a strong position for the midterms, according to the latest Fox News poll.

Several findings point to the potential for a blue map in November:

- President Trump’s job rating remains underwater.

- Republicans alone say the economy is in positive shape.

- The GOP tax law is less popular (40 percent favorable) than Obamacare (51 percent favorable).

- The Republican Party is less popular (39 percent favorable) than the Democratic Party (50 percent favorable).

- Optimism about life for the next generation of Americans is down eight points from last year.

- There is greater enthusiasm to vote in the midterms among out-of-power Democrats.

Meanwhile, the Trump/Russia probe isn’t going away. Approval of Special Counsel Robert Mueller stands at 59 percent, up 11 points since July, and 40 percent expect the investigation will find Trump committed criminal or impeachable offenses, up 5 points. Tuesday afternoon, a jury found former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort guilty of tax and bank fraud in the first trial to come out of Mueller’s probe and, around that same time, Trump’s former personal attorney Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to campaign-finance violations and other charges.

The national registered voter poll was conducted Sunday through Tuesday.

Loretta said...

"For all of my opposition to Donald Trump, I have long been skeptical of the political wisdom or evidentiary basis of efforts to impeach him."

Liar. You've been tweeting to #resistwemust!impeachwemust! For almost TWO years.

You're a traitorous war monger who hates this country.

commie said...

I have long been skeptical of the political wisdom

You've been tweeting to #resistwemust!impeachwemust!

And what does that have to do with being a skeptic, asshole??????

You really need to come out of your coma and learn to think rationally.....LOL

Anonymous said...



regarding bret stephens and the rest of the cuckservative never trumpers:


"The posture of these NeverTrumpers is transparently self-serving. It preserves their intellectual credentials as “conservatives,” and simultaneously takes them out of the line of fire from an increasingly vicious Left whose goal is to destroy Trump and his presidency, and—incidentally—conservative America. Sitting on the fence affords them new career opportunities—appearances on CNN and MSNBC and columns in the New York Times. All that’s required is that they avoid taking sides in the political war that is engulfing the country. All this reminds me of a memorable Trotsky sneer about liberals, whom he accused of being reluctant to step into the stream of political conflict because they were afraid to get their moral principles wet."

https://amgreatness.com/2018/08/19/trumps-character-and-trumps-presidency/


translation: bret stephens is a coward.

cowardly king obama said...

lo iq commie said "asshole You really need to come out of your coma and learn to think rationally"

ROFLMFAO !!!

lo iq commie who can only see assholes, rectums etc. (guess that's the view when you have your head up your ass) talks about thinking rationally. Will I guess he can dream.

but talk about hopeless...

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

a private citizen is free to make a secret hush money payment to his former mistress if he likes, a political campaign is required to disclose what it’s spending money on. If Trump had reported a cash payment to Stormy Daniels to the Federal Election Commission, that would have naturally raised questions about why he was paying her and somewhat defeat the purpose of making hush money payments in the first place. So what Trump and Cohen seem to have decided to do is avoid using campaign money, thus allowing them to avoid disclosure rules.

But just like lying on the disclosure form would be illegal and refusing to do the disclosure would be illegal, paying for campaign expenses out of a non-campaign account and then declining to report that as a contribution to the campaign is also illegal.

Simply put, there is no legal way to spend money on your election campaign without disclosing that fact.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Matthew Yglesias

caliphate4vr said...

a political campaign is required to disclose what it’s spending money on.

Yet the Steele dossier wasn't disclosed. You're feigned outrage is duly noted

Anonymous said...


Blogger Roger Amick said...

Matthew Yglesias



good gawd.

when you guys are reduced to quoting THIS asshat to bolster your argument, you're pretty much fucked.

btw alky, where'd matty get his law degree again?

also, alan dershowitz was on special report last night. he brutally destroyed all of the arguments coming from your side. you remember dershowitz, right? a classic life-long liberal who voted for queenie mccankles last time around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6Q6Ki1zDmA


Loretta said...

"show some respect for our host, alky."

Roger doesn't have any self-respect. He lowers the bar DAILY.

Anonymous said...

For all of my opposition to Donald Trump, I have long been skeptical of the political wisdom or evidentiary basis of efforts to impeach him."

Liar. You've been tweeting to #resistwemust!impeachwemust! For almost TWO years.
"

Good catch Ette.

Anonymous said...



a political campaign is required to disclose what it’s spending money on.

the campaign is required to report the expenditure. failure to do so is a crime of the campaign, not the candidate.

you're really flailing now, alky.



Anonymous said...

Roger cheated on his ex wife with his current wife.

Anonymous said...



paying for campaign expenses out of a non-campaign account and then declining to report that as a contribution to the campaign is also illegal.


pure bullshit.

as long as it's reported accurately, campaign expenses can be paid out of the coins found in trump's fucking couch, alky.

try again.


Donald Trump said...

Roger cheated on his ex wife with his current wife.

Yuk!

Anonymous said...




Roger doesn't have any self-respect. He lowers the bar DAILY.


indeed. trump hatred has completely consumed him.

but i must admit, it's kinda cool and morbidly fascinating to have a 'virtual' front row seat to witness someone so deeply in the grip of TDS.

hopefully mail order has a safe room for her sake. at some point the alky is gonna shear a pin and fucking explode.


Anonymous said...

indeed. trump hatred has completely consumed him."
Really he only post here
On Twitter
Facebook
#resistwemust!impeachwemust!
And other political places

Anonymous said...

Roger, you have it all. You have the Mueller investigation and now so many charges and convictions.
Don't go wobbly now. Go for the King, Impeachment.

Loretta said...

"lo iq commie said "asshole You really need to come out of your coma and learn to think rationally"

ROFLMFAO !!!"

LOL.

RICH isn't it?

Loretta said...

"paying for campaign expenses out of a non-campaign account and then declining to report that as a contribution to the campaign is also illegal."

How many times are you going to spam every thread with this bullshit?

Anonymous said...

Everytime, he has no standards or control.