The man lived 81 years, and will be forever remembered as someone who had a funeral dedicated to hating and bashing on someone else. I wonder out loud if those who meant to honor his whole 81 years will regret having his final dedication be about a political grudge.
I guess I would like to believe that the John McCain whom I thought would be a good President in 2008, would not have wanted his funeral turned into political theater. I would believe that at the very least his ego would have demanded it be about his legacy and his life.
But maybe I was wrong.
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I think that if you caught Wellstone's family in a moment of honesty, they would tell you they regretted turning his funeral into a political circus.
I think the same will happen to McCain's family.
Thr irony is that McCain may have wanted is funeral to be moment of bipartisan unification, but it wil be forever remember as a gathering of Washington insiders displaying their contempt for the outsiders.
In other words your average everyday American.
“So much of our politics, our public life, our public discourse can seem small and mean and petty, trafficking in bombast and insults and phony controversies and manufactured outrage,” Obama said. “It is a politics that pretends to be brave, and tough, but in fact is born fear. John called on us to be bigger and better than that.”
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
LOL.
Roger just can't stay on topic, LMAO.
The man lived 81 years, and will be forever remembered as someone who had a funeral dedicated to the man who wanted everyone to remember that America is already great. He was a great American. The funeral should be a first step toward unity as a nation.
So much for we have seen since the inauguration a daily dose of bombast and insults and unsubstantiated accusations of fake news, and the destruction of the institutions that enforce our laws and protect the Constitution.
We have been a great nation since the declaration of independence and the creation of the Constitution that the President was sworn to protect and defend.
John McCain represented the America envisioned by the founding fathers. We should pray for the country he spent his life working to defend and protect the Constitution.
Donald Trump has been working since the inauguration to destroy the Constitution because he acting to defend and protect himself. Not the country that he was sworn in protect.
Getting talking about his broke ass income. Food stamp level.
It had the stench of the Wells tone mess.
"Thr irony is that McCain may have wanted is funeral to be moment of bipartisan unification, but it wil be forever remember as a gathering of Washington insiders displaying their contempt for the outsiders.
In other words your average everyday American."
Yep
Spam by the drunkard.
President Obama said something that no one knew about.
"Not that I ever experienced it first-hand, mind you. But to know John was to know that as quick as his passions might flare, he was just as quick to forgive and ask for forgiveness. He knew more than most his own flaws and his blind spots. And he knew how to laugh at himself.
And that self-awareness made him all the more compelling. We didn't advertise it, but every so often over the course of my presidency, John would come over to the White House and we'd just sit and talk in the Oval Office, just the two of us. We'd talk about policy and we'd talk about family. And we'd talk about the state of our politics.
And our disagreements didn't go away during these private conversations. Those were real and they were often deep.
But we enjoyed the time we shared away from the bright lights. And we laughed with each other. And we learned from each other. And we never doubted the other man's sincerity. Or the other man's patriotism. Or that when all was said and done, we were on the same team.
We never doubted we were on the same team."
He represented the America that no matter despite the differences is that we are all Americans. Not Mexican Americans or Chinese Americans. Nor are some of us "monkeys" or "beaners" .
McCain represented the greatness of America.
The man lived 81 years, and will be forever remembered as someone who had a funeral dedicated to the man who wanted everyone to remember that America is already great. He was a great American. The funeral should be a first step toward unity as a nation.
So much for we have seen since the inauguration a daily dose of bombast and insults and unsubstantiated accusations of fake news, and the destruction of the institutions that enforce our laws and protect the Constitution.
We have been a great nation since the declaration of independence and the creation of the Constitution that the President was sworn to protect and defend.
John McCain represented the America envisioned by the founding fathers. We should pray for the country he spent his life working to defend and protect the Constitution.
Donald Trump has been working since the inauguration to destroy the Constitution because he acting to defend and protect himself. Not the country that he was sworn in protect.
It's on topic twit but it's beyond your limited mental abilities.
That wasn't the headline in this morning's newspapers and that is what will be remembered about John McCain.
Klobuchar Says Kavanaugh Confirmation ‘Not Normal’
September 2, 2018 at 4:17 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 35 Comments
Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) “criticized Republicans on Sunday for the unprecedented way they are conducting the confirmation process for Brett Kavanaugh,” the HuffPost reports.
Said Klobuchar: “It’s not normal because we are not able to see 100,000 documents because the administration has said we can’t see them, exerting their executive power.”
She added: “I think that you could ask some very interesting questions about these documents that I’m unable to even say.”
McCain’s Funeral Offered Hope
Max Boot: “I have come to feel pessimistic lately about the future of America — demoralized because so many of my fellow citizens have endorsed a demagogue who threatens our democracy. But the McCain funeral offered a welcome moment of hope and grace — a promise of deliverance — at a dark time in our nation’s history. It affirmed what McCain himself said in his farewell statement when he affirmed his ‘heartfelt faith in Americans.'
“I despair today a little less after the uplifting spectacle of the McCain funeral. I left feeling, as no doubt the funeral’s architect and honoree intended, re-energized in my desire to fight for the principles that he dedicated his life to. I hope others feel the same way. Together we can restore the tarnished beauty of America.”
Klobuchar Says Kavanaugh Confirmation ‘Not Normal’
Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) “criticized Republicans on Sunday for the unprecedented way they are conducting the confirmation process for Brett Kavanaugh,” the HuffPost reports.
Said Klobuchar: “It’s not normal because we are not able to see 100,000 documents because the administration has said we can’t see them, exerting their executive power.”
She added: “I think that you could ask some very interesting questions about these documents that I’m unable to even say.”
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We let this President get away without showing his tax returns.
Don't let him get away with this.
It's spam.
One positive thing about McCain...
At least he didn't find 12 year old kids sexy, like James.
At the behest of Trump, McCain’s body was flown on Air Force 2, according to TMZ, the plane generally used by the Vice President or the First Lady. AZ Central confirmed that McCain’s body flew out on Air Force 2."
Media silent.
I actually voted for McCain. Roger didn't. His words now are hollow.
Roger called McCain a racist, a sexist, and demanded that he was mentally unfit to hold office.
Now he decides he doesn't like Trump, and suddenly he's a hero to old poor guy Rog.
Oh how wonderful. He let McCain's body be flown on Air Force 2 even though he was a shot down non hero.
First thing you are a liar again.
Second thing you don't really understand what McCain represented in this country. He was a flawed man but like Obama and Bush said. He represented what this country stands for.
He never liked your hero Donald Trump. He saw the picture that showed he is a very bad person. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! In response to the daughter of McCain shows how terrible a person Trump is.
You ignore things that if done by a Democrat you would be writing 800 words calling the person a terrible person and hypocritical asshole.
But you have decided to stand in line and watch the President devastating the nation and cheer him on.
CH TRUTH STUPIDLY SAYS
I guess I would like to believe that the John McCain whom I thought would be a good President in 2008, would not have wanted his funeral turned into political theater. I would believe that at the very least his ego would have demanded it be about his legacy and his life.
But maybe I was wrong.
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JAMES SENSIBLY SAYS
I guess you ARE wrong.
Apparently he wanted a degree of political theater since he invited two former presidents to speak,but not the present denizen in the White House -- and that's about as big a snub as he could possibly come up with.
Two men with whom he had political disagreements were considered worthy of a voice at his funeral, but not the likes of Donald Trump.
You're certainly a chep mean little man James.
Second thing you don't really understand what McCain represented in this country. He was a flawed man but like Obama and Bush said. He represented what this country stands for.
Actually, like a lot of people, I thought I knew what McCain was. I actually supported his Presidential bid, and unlike you I didn't believe he was "mentally unfit" to be President.
Turns out that McCain was the ultimate insider. More concerned about Washington players than he was about those who voted for him.
If someone had told either of us ten years ago, that when John McCain finally passed away... that his funeral would be a Paul Wellstone political event bashing the current President, neither of us would have believed it. You probably would have had an easier time, probably figuring he was inviting criticism of a Democrat. Certainly neither of us would have believed his funeral would be a bash fest against a Republican President.
So unlike you Roger, neither John McCain, George Bush, Barack Obama, or Donald Trump is or was "my hero". They are just people who have a job to do. Some of them did their jobs better than others. That's it.
I have to ask you this. You don't have to answer. Just think about it .
Why is it that when I believe that John McCain's funeral should have been about John McCain and suggest that a few years from now, there will be people within his own family that will be sad to know his own funeral was not about him...
that this somehow make Donald Trump my hero?
Are you really that much of a simpleton?
I get that you are obviously under-educated (as you have suggested) and that you have never earned much money (only garnering $28/month in tax relief). But you claim to have some sort of "other" smarts. This logic falls well out of line with that.
"Roger called McCain a racist, a sexist, and demanded that he was mentally unfit to hold office."
Riding the coattails of a dead man.
"You're certainly a chep mean little man James"
Truer words were never spoken.
First things first you told a lie. McCain made a mistake by choosing the worst Vice President candidate in history. I doubted his judgment but I never said or thought he was mentally unfit.
I never earned over 100k. But I made well over $80,000 for the last five years or so. I have a defined benefit pension that I have to pay income taxes on it. I got a monstrous $23.00 a month take home check. I earn more money than the average income for a family of 4. By a substantial amount.
You have been supportive every fucking thing he says or does, even if it's contrary to everything you have stood for since soars. He is your hero. You don't just think that he's just doing something every other President has done. You betray your precious stated comments. You actually believe the deep state conspiracy theory. You claim to have "smarts". Educated people are not always correct.
McCain's funeral was representative of what the man stood for. But since some people implied criticism of the President you have taken offense because of your unbelievable love for Trump.
George W Bush must have been disrespectful of John McCain according to Scott because he not so subtly critical of Donald Trump.
He was honorable – always recognizing that his opponents were still patriots and human beings.
He loved freedom, with the passion of a man who knew its absence.
He respected the dignity inherent in every life - a dignity that does not stop at borders and cannot be erased by dictators.
Perhaps above all, John detested the abuse of power. He could not abide bigots and swaggering despots. There was something deep inside him that made him stand up for the little guy – to speak for forgotten people in forgotten places.
Truer words were never spoken.
He could not abide bigots and swaggering despots.
Helsinki and his statement that "There are good people on both sides." In regards to Neo Nazis and White supremacists who shouted no more Jews.
Some of them did their jobs better than others. That's it.
Do you find this behavior from the President is just a doing something different every other President has done before?
Spam by the drunkard.
"I never earned over 100k. " Roger
AND Just Like THAT , The whole earned "Six Figure" is BS.
Like I said.
Dems Celebration of a Republican is not going unnoticed.
"Poor man Roger the dodger!" CHT
Hey Govenor of Fucking Arizona, what the fuck you waiting on . Name the next Senator already.
"He respected the dignity inherent in every life - a dignity that does not stop at borders and cannot be erased by dictators."
I'm guessing you and W forget the McCain/Kennedy Immigration Act that failed miserably.
"AND Just Like THAT , The whole earned "Six Figure" is BS.
Like I said."
LOL.
Fox News!?
Two of Sen. John McCain’s closest friends on Sunday defended his daughter’s apparent swipes at President Trump during her eulogy at the late Arizona senator’s funeral.
Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., and former Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman both argued that Meghan McCain was grieving when making the eulogy for her father and that – just like the late senator himself – his daughter does not back down when criticized.
“If you say something bad about Meghan’s father, you will know it,” Graham said during an appearance Sunday morning on “Fox News Sunday.” “It’s okay because she is grieving.”
Lieberman, who was once tapped to be on McCain’s presidential ticket despite being an Independent who caucused with the Democrats, said that Meghan's father would have been proud of her “direct” manner of speaking and added that she did a “magnificent” job.
More on this...
Trump issues 4-word reply after criticism at McCain, Franklin funerals.
He tweeted that while he was playing golf. He's spent about 33% of his time is at his golf club. HE IS FUCKING AMERICA!
Nope. Our joint income is in excess of $100,000. In retirement. You're not very bright twit.
Roger, your lies are going against your other lies. Get a grip.
The senator orchestrated a final ceremony that called his fellow citizens to live up to the greatness of American ideals.
His statement prior to his death was a call for a return of "regular business" in American politics and the Senate. This will not go down grudge against the President.
He still wants us to live up to the greatness of American ideals.
From Twitter
I like presidents who don’t assault women
I like presidents who don’t embolden Nazis
I like presidents who don’t insult war heroes
I like presidents who don’t put kids in cages
I like presidents who don’t conspire against our country
*I can’t believe I even have to say this*
https://www.facebook.com/890775646/posts/10161128132380647/6
This won't be posted on the funny side post or here.
You realize that all those pictures of kids sleeping in cages were from 2014 when the most unqualified president in history was in office
Hemingway wrote in the book that Meghan referred to, his favorite book: “Today is only one day in all the days that will ever be. But what will happen in all the other days that ever come can depend on what you do today.”
In captivity, John learned in ways that few of us ever will the meaning of those words. How each moment, each day, each choice is a test. And John McCain passed that test again, and again, and again.
Yhe most unqualified president in history was sworn in on January 20th of 2017. In front of a smaller crowd than anyone else for at least 20 years.
Obama acted quickly to address the problem with the children. Trump has not yet acted to end the separation between the children and their parents.
The pictures of the tent cities were also under Trump. Obama is far more respected than Trump at 36%.
From Twitter
I like presidents who don’t assault women
Guess she doesn't like Bill Clinton right?
Klobuchar Says Kavanaugh Confirmation ‘Not Normal’
The only thing abnormal about it is the hari kiri the Democrats are doing to prevent it.
So say hello to Mr. Justice Kavanaugh.
Hemingway wrote in the book that Meghan referred to, his favorite book: “Today is only one day in all the days that will ever be. But what will happen in all the other days that ever come can depend on what you do today.”
Hemingway was a womenizing drunk who eventually comitted sucide.
Just for the record.
Continuing on a different tack.....
TRUMP, boasting about low unemployment rates: "This election is about jobs. And the beauty of the jobs, people that were stuck in one job, didn't like it, they now got six different alternatives ...They get one they like, and they are making more money. Wages are going up." — Indiana rally Thursday.
THE FACTS: Wages aren't going up when factoring in higher consumer prices.
The Bureau of Labor Statistics found that wages have declined in the past 12 months after adjusting for inflation, even with an expanding U.S. economy and strong corporate profits.
Due in part to higher costs for gasoline and housing, consumer prices increased 2.9 percent this summer from a year earlier, the most in six years. Adjusted for inflation, average hourly earnings for workers have fallen 0.2 percent.
The Labor Department said Americans are putting in more time on the job compared to last summer to keep their earnings about the same for now. Trump's tariff disputes could exacerbate the situation by pushing up consumer prices further, reducing people's purchasing power.
So much for 4.6% wage growth imagine by our goat fucker!!!! Trump lies and the goat fucker swears to it!!!!
Hemingway was a womanizing drunk who eventually comitted sucide.
So is trump.....idiot.....you can argue he doesn't drink and we all can hope about suicide....but that's about all.....
Only a Democrat could put a negative spin on having a full time high paying job.
Nancy polosi called the tax cuts "crumbs"
Roger is the one she was talking about.
So inflation is the new liberal meme.
Dennis you own your home, right?
Dennis you own your home, right?
Short term memory loss is the first sign of early onset dementia...I've given that information to you many times....Did you purchase your estate??????
So inflation is the new liberal meme.
I'm not a liberal.....and I've discussed inflation many times around here....nothing new about wages though except you admitting your 4.6% was pure bullshit....
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Hemingway wrote in the book that Meghan referred to, his favorite book: “Today is only one day in all the days that will ever be. But what will happen in all the other days that ever come can depend on the plane you crash today.”
and the mavericky crashed a shit ton of 'em.
fify there, rog.
I never earned over 100k.
really?
yet for years on this blog you boasted of your "6 figure income."
so that was all a lie too?
thought so.
Joint income vs personal income.
Confuses the racist rodent bastard.
I have read most of Hemmingway books. He was a very talented writer. He did basically drink himself to death. I would bet that the racist rodent bastard hasn't read any of his books.
You have been supportive every fucking thing he says or does, even if it's contrary to everything you have stood for since soars. He is your hero. You don't just think that he's just doing something every other President has done. You betray your precious stated comments. You actually believe the deep state conspiracy theory. You claim to have "smarts". Educated people are not always correct.
McCain's funeral was representative of what the man stood for. But since some people implied criticism of the President you have taken offense because of your unbelievable love for Trump.
geezus alky, when you climb atop that psychological projection horse you don't know when to get off.
this isn't you and 0linsky we're talking about here. this is trump and his supporters like myself, and perhaps CH. i don't profess to love the man, and i sure as shit don't worship him as a "sort of god" like skeets. i'm not even impressed by the crease of his trousers.
like scott said, the man is being paid to do a job. and so far, he's doing a very good job, and in the face of opposition never before seen. everyone i know, with the exception of you, has a lot more $$$ in their pocket. ISIS is getting slaughtered - so much so that the media won't even report on it, unemployment is at historic lows, etc., etc., etc..
what pisses you off to no end is the fact that trump IS getting it done. he's winning every fucking day. he's the anti-0linsky and is on track to create more jobs in 4 years than skeets created in 8.
he's making your messiah look like the nickle dick asshole that he was, and there's nothing you can do about it other than try to impeach the guy over nothing.
it's like i've said before alky - you've failed at every level of the human condition a person could possibly fail. and you're bitter, as you probably should be. but it's not trump's fault. it's not even mccain's, as much as an insufferable asshole as he was.
embrace the suck that is your existence, alky.
notice i said "existence" and not "life." because you don't have a life. outside of this blog that is.
Joint income vs personal income.
LOL.
be careful moving those goalposts with that walker, alky.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
I have read most of Hemmingway books.
but OF COURSE you have, alky.
of course you have.
and i'll bet you read at least one of them when you were waiting for that windows 1.0 disk to load as the very first fucking windows user in the history of kaiser permanente`.
HA!
Trump spent 40 years creating jobs as CEO. Obama went from state senator to us senator for a year.
It's very easy to recognize which was more qualified to lead the nation.
LOL:
OBAMA PREPARES FOR THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, BUT SOME DEMOCRATS WANT HIM TO BACK OFF
https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/02/obama-election-donald-trump-ohio/
wait, what???
nobody wants the shit-fingered midas out there campaigning for them???
but why?
why, alky, why???
S few days ago I posted about how the liberal newspapers have begun putting out puff articles pretending that be to what's his name has a chance vs ted Cruz. Right on cue, AP has followed suit.
They don't need a president who only understands a basketball bracket and little else.
Here is a typical passage, from a rally in West Virginia:
We’re the smart ones, remember. I say it all the time. You hear the elite. They’re not elite, we’re elite. You’re smarter than they are, you have more money than they do, you have better jobs than they do, you’re the elite. So let them have the word elite. You’re the super elite. That’s what it is.
I always hate — I always hate when they say, well the elite decided not to go to something I’m doing, right, the elite. I said, “Well, I have a lot more money than they do. I have a much better education than they have. I’m smarter than they are. I have many much more beautiful homes than they do. I have a better apartment at the top of Fifth Avenue.” Why the hell are they the elite? Tell me.
He's a rich man who is laughing at his supporters who envy his wealth. Thanks suckers.
He's a rich man who is laughing at his supporters who envy his wealth. Thanks suckers.
it's not his supporters who envy his wealth, alky. stop projecting.
many trump supporters i know personally voted for him in spite of and not because of his wealth. and speaking of wealth, i am wealthier today than the day he took office. as are most folks i know. except for you, of course.
They don't need a president who only understands a basketball bracket and little else.
You believe that a Harvard University lawyer is ignorant about anything but basketball. You are a typical mindless Trump supporter.
You made my point.
We got into Vietnam courtasy of the beltway chapter of the Harvard alumni club. I'm not too impressed with Harvard grads.
I have a much better education than they have. From a mediocre college degree where his own professor said that he was one of the dumbest students ever.
He inherited his wealth and has gone bankrupt six times. He's laughing at you and you smile again as he mocks you again and again .
Obama was too young to need a draft deferment. President Bonespare is laughing at you.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
You made my point.
alky, you had no point. you never do. all you ever have is some copy/paste blather.
my side doesn't envy wealth, alky. we strive to earn some of it, and we always support everyone being able to keep more of what they earn.
your side insists upon wealth envy. it's foundational to liberalism. you wail about wealth inequality, the 1%, blah, blah, blah.
you can't go a day without fixing your gaze upon the wealth of another, and trying to figure out how to separate them from it.
when one fails as miserably and stupendously as you have, i suppose it just comes naturally.
Bill Clinton was a highly respected student. He had a 1A deferment.
Trump had a bone spur draft dodge from a family physician.
You have been supportive every fucking thing he says or does, even if it's contrary to everything you have stood for since soars. He is your hero.
So you admit that you are a simpleton. fair enough.
You believe that a Harvard University lawyer is ignorant about anything but basketball.
harvard lawyer, eh?
the US constitution "is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can't do to you. Says what the federal government can't do to you but doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf."
the dumb fuck doesn't even understand our founding document.
he's a nickledick asshole like you, alky. nothing more, nothing less.
thanks to 0linsky, there will not be another black president in my lifetime. what a fucking shame.
Unabomber also went to Harvard. Maybe you think he's well qualified for president.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Bill Clinton was a highly respected student. He had a 1A deferment.
a deferment that he literally BEGGED for. in writing.
fucking coward rapist.
"you can't go a day without fixing your gaze upon the wealth of another, and trying to figure out how to separate them from it."
This is the typical claim that all Democrats are true socialist who want to take the wealth and turn everything over to the government. This is the biggest lie that you believe.
The Democrats have long been a supporter of somewhat regulated capitalism. Giving the employees some leverage on their wages and benefits is not socialism.
Guaranteed minimum wages.
Workplace safety.
The Republicans have been trying to dismantle the New Deal by FDR for almost 90 years. The liberals have won almost every single battle for equal rights for labor and wage growth. They will win this election and your son and daughters will be benefited by the Democrats.
Trump has cheated on every single wife. And the coverup may be his downfall.
"doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf."
It doesn't say that the state and federal governments cannot act in our behalf. You lost the civil war to your chagrin. Those magic negros and beaners are taking over the country and you can't stop it.
This is the typical claim that all Democrats are true socialist who want to take the wealth and turn everything over to the government. This is the biggest lie that you believe.
alky,
your team had a candidate during the last presidential election who literally ran on exactly that. and he was packing arena's with thousand while cankles couldn't draw fucking flies.
but fortunately for everyone, hillary fucked him out of the nomination.
goddamn, you have the self-awareness of a two year old.
"So you admit that you are a simpleton. fair enough."
Something everyone with a functioning brain already knew.
You actually believe the deep state conspiracy theory.
- I believe that the Director of the FBI was fired.
- I believe that the Deputy Director was fired and recommended for criminal charges by an independent investigation.
- I believe that several other people in the FBI have been fired or demoted for their behavior regarding the Clinton/Trump inv.
- I believe that the FBI used an unverified piece of opposition research to guide investigations.
- I believe that our Deputy A.G. appointed a special counsel in a manner that is unprecedented, in that there was no specific criminal allegation to investigate.
I believe those things, Roger because they are factual and true.
Nothing I believe can be denied. You cannot deny that people have been fired. You cannot deny that people have been disciplined. You cannot deny the existence of the use of the Steele document. You cannot deny the manner in which special counsel was appointed.
Yet, while all of those things are 100% factually true, you "actually" and "amazingly" and "stubbornly" still hold onto the idea that these people are all innocent and ran fair investigations. A belief that is 100% bashed over the head by the facts.
If you believe all of those "factual" events make up a "conspiracy" - then so be it. But either way, it's not a "theory" if it if based entirely on fact. By definition a "theory" is an idea based on unproven beliefs, propositions, and opinions. Not on facts.
For instance, your belief that Trump colluded with Russia would be a "theory" as it is based on your own propositions, your own unproven beliefs, and neatly put together propositions that have not been proven.
So by definition, the idea that Trump conspired with Putin is a "conspiracy theory".
It doesn't say that the state and federal governments cannot act in our behalf.
AMENDMENT X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
simpleton is right.
and you failed geography too. NY was and is a NORTHERN state, alky. we won.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Trump has cheated on every single wife.
so did clinton. by committing rape, no less.
suddenly this is a problem???
The liberals have won almost every single battle for equal rights for labor and wage growth.
really?
so THAT'S why unions just got their fucking clocks cleaned in the USSC recently.
They will win this election and your son and daughters will be benefited by the Democrats.
alky, i live in the least free and most piss poor economically performing state in America. all courtesy of fucking DEMOCRATS.
Joint income vs personal income." Crumbs Alky
LOL.
be careful moving those goalposts with that walker, alky." RRB
RRB, alky does not own the home he lives in, his wife does sole name on the deed and mortgage. CA open public records.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Trump has cheated on every single wife."
So have you. Care to make some kind of point Crumbs-Alky?
so did clinton. by committing rape, no less.
suddenly this is a problem???
A couple of things you forgot asshole.....Clinton's was impeached.....the affair came to light from ken starr......His approval at the time was 60% + versus your assholes 60% disapproval.... Never was a problem with me as I posted numerous times his fucking around was hillaries problem....same as I feel about melodourus ....However.....how much did bill pay hookers to keep quiet??? That is my issue paying off , lying about it, and how it may have been a campaign contribution.....Oh well......
"That is my issue paying off , lying about it, and how it may have been a campaign contribution.....Oh well......"
Big deal. You have an obnoxious issue with it.
I'm sure Trump is crushed.
So Roger and his wife made $50K a piece in California. Which is like making minimum wage here in Minnesota.
Big deal. You have an obnoxious issue with it.
An obnoxious issue???? Like your stink???? You railed about clinton's infidelities..... his lack of military service and you accept both with trump why???? He's an R???? so sad and sooooooo hypocritical, but no surprise there....
It's not exactly like that. We are both retired and make over that amount. Most retired Americans don't make that much. You have a problem with that?
This was used by the slavery states to protect the right to own slaves. You lost the Civil war much to your chagrin.
Now Crumbs-Roger shift to a new income story.
Ok, this is really funny.
InPut Nerdwallet website
Using Crumbs-Roger's Wife's address and thier now combined income of $100,000 ( tax cut total =$276 year).
"To maintain your standard of living in St. Paul, MN, you need to earn:
$59,874
The cost of living is 40% lower in St. Paul, MN"
Like CHT said.
This was used by the slavery states to protect the right to own slaves.
Hence the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments. What part of "powers not delegated by this constitution" did you not get shit for brains?
So Roger?
Curious... why are you not responding to my last post?
Are you standing by your argument that:
The FBI director being fired, the Deputy FBI director being fired, two other agents being fired, multiple agents being demoted due to their actions on the Clinton and Trump investigations... is not actual facts, but rather a conspiracy theory?
But the idea that Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin conspired to hack our election is fact, and not just a conspiracy theory?
I am very curious as to what your definition of fact vs theory is?
This is a typical response from a Trump loyalist.
The bottom line is the fact that if the final report by the Muller investigation has charges that the President did conspire with the Russians and Putin, and obstructed justice within a reasonable doubt that you don't believe that he did anything wrong.
That he acted within the power of the President and he should not face impeachment or charges as long as he is the President of the United States of America.
Ultimately the fact is that the only way to deal with the situation is impeachment and conviction and removal from office before he can be charged with criminal acts even with intent to deceive criminal activities.
Impeachment is politically motivated. The only way to save the country from Donald Trump is that the Democrats take back the house. The only way that the Senate will convict is that it has to see the political polls show that the Republicans will lose control of the senate and Presidency as well as most of the state governments because of Donald Trump.
I am not going to address your personal (beliefs) and that the institutions who are delegated to conduct investigations were all politically motivated. Your views are a matter of faith. Not the facts. You have sworn allegiance to Donald J. Trump.
The belief that a few staffers were caught sending messages in regards to their personal opinion on the target of the investigation were not able to conduct a fact based investigation into his actions. And therefore the entire investigation is a deep state conspiracy to destroy Donald Trump. Scott, that is a matter of faith.
The investigation was triggered by the drunken meeting, not the dossier.
So the truth is a typical responce from a Trump loyalist. I can live with that.
"few staffers" Crumbs-Alky
Lol@HB
Roger -
I didn't recommend the firing of the FBI Director (Rosenstein did). I didn't recommend the firing of the Deputy FBI Director (IG Horowitz did). I didn't recommend Strzok be fired, page be demoted, Ohr be demoted, or anything else. All of that is based on the independent findings of Inspector Generals investigating this stuff.
Sounds to me like you are arguing with the conclusions of those who investigate justice/FBI behavior as their job? What qualifications do you have to say they are wrong?
Moreover, you are using the time honored (I have no argument argument) of straw-man fallacy. Nobody but "you" is demanding a "deep state".
I am simply offering the facts. The facts say that most everyone at the top levels of the investigations into Hillary Clinton (and ironically they all became the top levels of the investigation into Donald Trump) have been fired, have quit, or have been demoted to office clerk jobs.
Meanwhile...
You certainly expect that everyone should follow what Mueller states, unless of course he comes back and says that he found no collusion... then you will simply call for "more investigations".
But what the Obama appointed IG states, is a matter that should be questioned?? Why the hypocrisy?
As far as the Mueller report. I stand by what I state. If he comes back with actual solid evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign (that Trump was aware of) and the Russians... and that collusion is at a "higher" level than what the Democrats did (hire a foreign agent to use Russian sources to discredit Trump) - then I will make my judgement then.
But the bar is set at what the Democrats did. Which was hire a foreign agent to use Russian sources to discredit Trump. Good for the goose. Good for the Gander. Hypocrisy, etc. So whatever Mueller would have to find better be better than the Trump Tower meeting.
As far as obstruction. It's generally a fairly objective finding. Lying under oath. Witness tampering. Destruction or withholding of evidence. If Mueller finds evidence of that... well then, Trump and Hillary are in the same boat (Since Hillary lied to investigators, destroyed evidence, and likely tampered with witnesses).
If Mueller decides to make a "subjective" finding of obstruction and comes up with an obstruction charge that has never been leveled on anyone else, then there will be push back from a ton of people. For good reason.
Mueller needs to product an objective fact finding report, free from political innuendo or personal feelings. I doubt that is what is on the horizon.
Impeachment is politically motivated.
According to the Constitution. Impeachment is a means to remove a Government official for high crimes and misdemeanors.
It's only "political" in 2018 for liberals who are still looking for any means to undo the results of the 2016 election!
Mueller is saying nothing on the Democrats side of the election needs any investigating.
How fair of him.
"I am not going to address your personal (beliefs) and that the institutions who are delegated to conduct investigations were all politically motivated. - Roger"
Can't find anything to copy and paste a response, huh.
"It's only "political" in 2018 for liberals who are still looking for any means to undo the results of the 2016 election!"
By any means necessary.
CommonsenseSeptember 2, 2018 at 2:46 PM
Maybe Roger can tell how great it is standing in line begging for food stamps and welfare checks."""
Blogger KD said...
Mueller is saying nothing on the Democrats side of the election needs any investigating.
Hey asshole....Mueller is working as a special investigator with a charter to investigate russian interference and any wrong doing that maybe uncovered concerning that specific investigation....You want him to investigate D's, his charter has to be revised or sessions needs to do it....
It's only "political" in 2018 for liberals who are still looking for any means to undo the results of the 2016 election!
CH, that is the stupidest thing you have ever posted and with your recent run of inanity like your google search of bias, is certainly saying something.....Getting Pence if trump gets tossed is not an outcome that undoes anything except lancing the boil on the ass of america, trump!!!
Mueller is working as a special investigator with a charter to investigate russian interference and any wrong doing
And the Russian origin of the Steele dossier doesn't qualify? Sounds like quite a bit of Russian interference to me.
Most recent gaggle of polls....funny how that CH optimism of 2 weeks ago as trump neared 45% approval as apparently gone down the shitter to barely 40%, except for the outlier BS rassmussen,....Generic ballot should also be a concern.....
President Trump Job Approval Gallup Approve 41, Disapprove 53 Disapprove +12
President Trump Job Approval Emerson Approve 38, Disapprove 53 Disapprove +15
President Trump Job Approval Rasmussen Reports Approve 47, Disapprove 51 Disapprove +4
2018 Generic Congressional Vote Emerson Democrats 52, Republicans 39 Democrats +13
And the Russian origin of the Steele dossier doesn't qualify?
Hey cramps....what does the origins of the dossier have to do with russian interference???? I won't hold my breath looking for an answer!!!
Impeachment according to the Constitution it is high crimes and misdemeanors. But you damn well know that the trigger for impeachment is political The house shall decide what action what constitutes high crimes and misdemeanors.
Using your political views in 1998 the Republicans who were still looking for any means to undo the results of the 1996 election! The Senate Republicans didn't fight that hard for conviction because Clinton had an approval rating far better than Trump has even approached.
Pence would be the President at least until 2020. Reality is that if Pence decides to run for President and he gets the nomination your party may hold the White House.
Oops....missed these 2 from Sat....
Poll Results Spread
President Trump Job Approval IBD/TIPP Approve 36, Disapprove 56 Disapprove +20
2018 Generic Congressional Vote IBD/TIPP Democrats 50, Republicans 39 Democrats +11
Roger using your ever shifting numbers .
Something is very wrong with them.
You said the Trump tax cut only saved you jointly around $300 a year.
Given your "$ix figure income" your savings should be like mine and my wife. $2,300 a year.
Almost as much as obimbo's $2,500 a year in Premium savings.
Roger using your ever shifting numbers .
Something is very wrong with them.
You said the Trump tax cut only saved you jointly around $300 a year.
Given your "$ix figure income" your savings should be like mine and my wife. $2,300 a year.
Almost as much as obimbo's $2,500 a year in Premium savings.
Rutgers
Time line
"June 2015 - Donald Trump, a wealthy real estate developer and reality TV personality, announces his candidacy for the Republican presidential nomination.
March 2016 - Around this date, Russia's military intelligence agency, the GRU, begins a cyber campaign aimed at interfering with the 2016 presidential election, according to U.S. intelligence agencies.
April 2016 - Trump foreign policy aide George Papadopoulos meets with an academic who has just returned from Moscow. The academic tells Papadopoulos that the Russians have obtained dirt on Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, including "thousands of emails."
June 9, 2016 - Trump's son Donald Trump Jr., Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner and campaign manager Paul Manafort meet at Trump Tower in New York with a Russian lawyer and others. Emails later made public show Trump Jr. believed he would receive information harmful to Clinton.
July 5, 2016 - Former British spy Christopher Steele, who was investigating Trump's Russia connections in an effort paid for by the Democratic National Committee (DNC), briefs an FBI agent on his findings.
July 22, 2016 - On the eve of the Democratic presidential nominating convention at which Clinton became her party's nominee, WikiLeaks releases 44,000 emails hacked from the DNC. The content of some of the emails prompts the resignation of DNC chairwoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz."
"Steele was Investigating Trump"
Really, his pay came thru Who?
e income" your savings should be like mine and my wife. $2,300 a year.
You have a better shot at getting hit by lightning than receiving a $2300 buck tax break....You are as full of shit as your 4.6% wage growth. Since you don't work and I doubt your wife is capable of anything but being a char women or a waitress, your amount save is beyond absurd.....idiot...
June 20 — Manafort becomes the Trump campaign manager. He replaces Corey Lewandowski, who was fired.
Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer, files his first of 16 memos on Trump’s connections to Russia. Fusion GPS, a research firm founded by former Wall Street Journal reporters Glenn R. Simpson and Peter Fritsch, hired Steele as part of an opposition research project paid for by a law firm representing Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee.
July 7 — Manafort offers to give “private briefings” to Russian aluminum billionaire Oleg Deripaska regarding the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign. (The Washington Post disclosed the offer in a Sept. 20, 2017, story. The Post said there was no evidence that any briefings took place, and Manafort’s attorney said his client was offering a “routine” status update on the campaign.)
July 8 – Page, a Trump foreign policy adviser, visits Moscow and speaks at the commencement ceremony of the New Economic School. Prior to his trip, Page informed Sessions and some members of the campaign’s national security team about his Moscow visit. In his speech, Page is critical of U.S. policy toward Russia. (The Washington Post would later report on Sept. 26, 2016, that Russian Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich also spoke at the graduation. Page told the Post that the two men only exchanged pleasantries at the event. The New York Times reported on Nov. 2, 2017, that Page said he met with two Russian government officials during his visit. “I had a very brief hello to a couple of people. That was it,” Page told the Times.)
July 15 — Flynn sends an email that says, “There are a number of things happening (and will happen) this election via cyber operations (by both hacktivists, nation states and the DNC).” The name of the recipient is not known. (Flynn’s email was contained on Page 72 of a redacted report issued by the Republicans on the House intelligence committee.)
July 20 – Sessions delivers a speech at “Global Partners in Diplomacy,” an event held during the Republican National Convention in Cleveland and sponsored by the State Department, Heritage Foundation and others. After the event, Sessions had what he would later describe as a “brief encounter” with Kislyak, the Russian ambassador to the U.S. The event was attended by somewhere between 50 ambassadors, according to the Washington Post, and 100 ambassadors, according to Heritage. (Sessions acknowledged when he recused himself from the Russian investigation in March 2017 that he spoke twice with Kislyak, including at this event.)
July 22 — WikiLeaks releases nearly 20,000 DNC emails. It would eventually release more than 44,000 emails and 17,000 attachments, WikiLeaks says on its website.
July 25 – The FBI confirms it has opened an investigation into the hacking of the DNC computer network. “The FBI is investigating a cyber intrusion involving the DNC and are working to determine the nature and scope of the matter. A compromise of this nature is something we take very seriously, and the FBI will continue to investigate and hold accountable those who pose a threat in cyberspace,” it says in a release.
(A report by the Republican-controlled House intelligence committee would later say that the FBI in late July began investigating the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the election and whether Trump campaign associates were involved in those efforts “following the receipt of derogatory information about foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos.”)
https://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/20180322/108023/HRPT-115-1_1-p1-U3.pdf
July 27 — At a press conference, Trump says he has “never spoken” to Putin, even though he had said in 2013 “I have a relationship” with Putin. At the press conference, Trump also says he doubts that Russia was responsible for hacking the DNC computer network, but invites Russia to find the 30,000 personal emails that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s staff deleted when she left office. “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” he says. Trump later says he was being “sarcastic” in inviting Russia to find the emails.
On or about that same day, Russian military intelligence officers attempt “to spearphish for the first time email accounts at a domain hosted by a third-party provider and used by Clinton’s personal office.” (This is according to the July 13, 2018 indictment filed against 12 Russian military intelligence officers.)
July 29 — The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee announces that its computer network also has been hacked. Several of its House candidates were targets of stolen emails released by Guccifer 2.0.
July 31 — The FBI initiates a counterintelligence investigation after receiving information that Papadopoulos had learned that the Russians obtained “dirt” on Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails.”
The New York Times reports on Trump Campaign Manager Paul Manafort’s “business dealings with prominent Ukrainian and Russian tycoons.”
https://www.factcheck.org/2017/06/timeline-russia-investigation/
You finally have the evidence of A Trump Crime?
May 9 – Trump fires Comey. A White House statement said that Trump acted “based on the clear recommendations” of Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. In a two-and-a-half-page memo, Rosenstein cited Comey’s handling of the FBI’s investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server for official government business while she was the secretary of state under Obama. Rosenstein criticized Comey for holding a press conference on July 5, 2016, to publicly announce his recommendation to not charge Clinton, and for disclosing on Oct. 28, 2016, that the FBI had reopened its investigation of Clinton.
May 10 — Trump meets in the Oval Office with Russia Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Ambassador to the U.S. Sergey Kislyak. The official White House readout of the meeting makes no mention that Kislyak attended the meeting. (It was later reported that Trump made disparaging remarks about Comey and disclosed classified information at the meeting. See the entries for May 15 and May 19.)
https://www.factcheck.org/2017/06/timeline-russia-investigation/
Evidence of a crime.
May 22 — The Washington Post reports that “Trump made separate appeals to the director of national intelligence, Daniel Coats, and to Adm. Michael S. Rogers, the director of the National Security Agency, urging them to publicly deny the existence of any evidence of collusion during the 2016 election.” The paper says the meeting happened in March and that Coats and Rogers denied the president’s request.
Obstruction of justice.
urging them to publicly deny the existence of any evidence of collusion during the 2016 election.”
Yep, you win. Now go for the gold.
Empeach.
Wait did you say a week ago dems 2018 was not about empeachment.
Unconfirmed accusations from blind sources is all Roger has.
CS, he is sure, so very sure this is the glass slipper.
And you have no evidence your tax bill was 2300 a year less.....especially since you don't work and I doubt your wife makes a high 5 figure income.....
Evidence??
Tell us how you define evidence.
Roger define, lol.
Ask trump....his word is gold to you, ballz....
The evidence is something that the investigation will have. There is a lot of evidence that the President has been trying to stop the investigation into the Russian intervention into the election. The President has been saying that they didn't intervene into the election despite all the evidence is there. I'm going to leave that to the lawyers.
Wasting my time but.
Dennis, what are you saving a year because of the Trump tax cut?
Broke Roger clocked in at under $300 on his joint six figure family income.
How he pulled off so little I would like him to explain.
"The reason most people do not recognize an opportunity when they meet it is because it usually goes around wearing overalls and looking like Hard Work"
I wear them most days like my Dad.
So Roger?
The President colluded with the Russians because he met with Russian diplomats "after" he became President?
Jeepers.
Roger - 10,000 words of a grand "conspiracy theory" without even a "sliver" of actual evidence!
I mean seriously. It's as if Hackers had who had hacked the DNC and John Podesta never seriously considered hacking Clinton herself? As if Trump mentioned something and it was like a light bulb went on. Oh boy, yeah, we should do that?
Besides, the 30,000 emails Trump was referring to were well known. They were already deleted from her server she used during her tenure as Secretary of State.
Which of course has nothing to do with "anything" hacked and released by Wikileaks (as those were all campaign emails).
Ugh... it's like dealing with a bunch of children.
Did the Govenor of AZ GET off his ass and name a new Senator?
File under oh poorbaby.
Claire McCaskill will cast a no-win vote on Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh
BY MELINDA HENNEBERGER"
As the Franchised In n Out sales picked up after a called for boycott was called for by a Socialist.
"California Democratic party chairman Eric Bauman broached the idea of protesting the restaurant last week following reports that the chain had donated money to the GOP.
But on Monday, Bauman seemingly walked back his call to action, in a cryptic statement.
“There is no boycott,” Bauman said, according to The Fresno Bee. “I put one tweet out at 10:30 at night and it turned into a whole thing. We’ve raised so much money in small donations as a result of that one tweet and so many people have engaged with that tweet, almost a million people, so it’s amazing how it became this big boycott.”
This is in two parts. The timeline clearly indicates, I am not a lawyer, there has been an attempt to obstruct justice.
Two, the Muller investigation may or may not have reasonable evidence of collusion, aka a conspiracy with the Russians to alter the outcome of the election. Nothing in the timeline from what I can see, does not provide other than circumstantial evidence dependent upon the timeline of events.
For you however, I suspect that no matter how much evidence they have, you will again claim that the investigation was triggered not by the evidence, but a politically motivated investigation and therefore cannot be considered valid.
The timeline clearly indicates, I am not a lawyer, there has been an attempt to obstruct justice.
There are real patriots in the Republican party.
Republican Sen. Ben Sasse (Neb.) rebuked President Trump's latest attack against the Department of Justice (DOJ) on Monday, warning Trump that the United States "is not some banana republic."
I drove by the ChicknFill and usually the drive up window has a 15 car line or more.
The In and Out drive by was almost blocking Amar Road.
@Comey.
“To keep any great nation up to a high standard of civilization there must be enough superior characters to hold the balance of power, but the very moment the balance of power gets into the hands of second-rate men and women, a decline of that nation is inevitable.” C. D. Larson
Blogger Roger Amick said...
The timeline clearly indicates, I am not a lawyer, there has been an attempt to obstruct justice.
clearly.
that's why trump is under indictment today, right alky?
the Muller investigation may or may not have reasonable evidence of collusion, aka a conspiracy with the Russians to alter the outcome of the election. Nothing in the timeline from what I can see, does not provide other than circumstantial evidence dependent upon the timeline of events.
Let me clarify for you.
A "time-line" does not provide evidence of anything "other" than what is commonly referred to as a conspiracy theory. If you are citing a "time line" it's because you actually have no evidence.
This particular theory requires a willing suspension of basic common sense and logic to engage in it. The concept itself confuses the emails of Secretary Clinton with emails of the DNC and John Podesta and declares that high level Russian espionage agents "literally" needed to be provided ideas from Donald Trump.
The irony is that you already sort of know this, but still found yourself incapable of "not" filling the comment thread with your cut and paste of said "conspiracy theory" anyways. It's like you cannot help yourself. Perhaps it's your new addictive vice?
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