The first, “special access lies”, may be better termed “insider lies”. This is dishonesty from those trusted to truthfully report facts, who abuse that trust by failing to state what they privately know to be true. (The authors give the example of Bill Clinton’s infamous claim that he “did not have sexual relations with that woman”.)
The second, which they refer to as “common knowledge lies”, are the kinds of lies told by Donald Trump about the size of his election victory or the crowds at his inauguration, or the Vote Leave campaign’s false claims about sending “£350m a week to the EU”. These lies do not pretend to be bound by the norm of honesty in the first place, and the listener can make up their own mind what to make of them.
What the paper shows is that, where politics comes to be viewed as the domain of “insider” liars, there is a seductive authenticity, even a strange kind of honesty, about the “common knowledge” liar. The rise of highly polished, professional politicians such as Tony Blair and Bill Clinton exacerbated the sense that politics is all about strategic concealment of the truth, something that the Iraq war seemed to confirm as much as anything. Trump or Farage may have a reputation for fabricating things, but they don’t (rightly or wrongly) have a reputation for concealing things, which grants them a form of credibility not available to technocrats or professional politicians.
At the same time, and even more corrosively, when elected representatives come to be viewed as “insider liars”, it turns out that other professions whose job it is to report the truth – journalists, experts, officials – also suffer a slump in trust. Indeed, the distinctions between all these fact-peddlers start to look irrelevant in the eyes of those who’ve given up on the establishment altogether. It is this type of all-encompassing disbelief that creates the opportunity for rightwing populism in particular. Trump voters are more than twice as likely to distrust the media as those who voted for Clinton in 2016, according to the annual Edelman Trust Barometer, which adds that the four countries currently suffering the most “extreme trust losses” are Italy, Brazil, South Africa and the US.This is a long winded, but interesting article that states more boorishly what many people have been saying in less sophisticated way. That there are two types of lies, important ones and unimportant ones. While you can get away with making the occasional unimportant lie, the real credibility gaps come from the concept that those who actually have the important information are not providing it, or not providing it accurately.
This is why it's so perplexing for so many of us how liberals can still be losing sleep nearly two years later over Trump claiming he had a larger inauguration crowd size than he did, but will forever excuse and defend "if you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance" or "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor".
It's probably got too many words and not enough pictures for some of you out there, but for the rest of you... it's worth the time.
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and here's an article that dovetails nicely into yours -
Let’s face it, our world is full of major human problems. Even very wealthy modern America has its share of these major human problems: poverty, drug addiction, homelessness, unaffordable health care, unaffordable housing, unaffordable education, and you could go on and on.
Now, how to address these problems? You could try this: Take a some of our very brightest thinkers. Send them to some top Ivy League or equivalent schools to get the very best educations. Then turn them loose into the policy arena, full of moral righteousness and energy and a burning passion to fix the world. And what will emerge? Remarkably, in every case you can find, what will emerge will be the exact same thing: a proposal for some new government “program” and spending that supposedly will fix whatever problem the particular guru may focus on at the moment.
The government in question will always be the federal government. Why not state governments (even all state governments) or local governments? My friend, have you no moral compass? Brilliant and righteous policy gurus do not go to Yale or Harvard or Princeton to think small. Fixing the world is going to require billions, and even trillions, and right now. Do not expect these experts to spend a decade or two in the wilderness in Nebraska trying go get some puny experimental program involving mere millions off the ground. These urgent problems must be fixed immediately, and all at once, and with whatever money it takes.
https://www.manhattancontrarian.com/blog/2018-11-23-the-idea-that-just-wont-die-the-right-federal-program-can-solve-any-human-problem
so we get to enjoy not only the lies, but the "expertise" of the elite's to basically lie to us as they "fix" all of our problems...
I'd rather entrust the government of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty of Harvard University.
- William F. Buckley, Jr.
btw, i think you're a monster for bringing up the inauguration crowd size lie. you know damn well how that triggers the alky.
Something about lies and fucking liars.
On Sept. 7, President Trump woke up in Billings, Mont., flew to Fargo, N.D., visited Sioux Falls, S.D., and eventually returned to Washington. He spoke to reporters on Air Force One, held a pair of fundraisers and was interviewed by three local reporters.
In that single day, he publicly made 125 false or misleading statements — in a period of time that totaled only about 120 minutes. It was a new single-day high.
The day before, the president made 74 false or misleading claims, many at a campaign rally in Montana. An anonymous op-ed article by a senior administration official had just been published in the New York Times, and news circulated about journalist Bob Woodward’s insider account of Trump’s presidency.
Trump’s tsunami of untruths helped push the count in The Fact Checker’s database past 5,000 on the 601st day of his presidency. That’s an average of 8.3 Trumpian claims a day, but in the past nine days — since our last update — the president has averaged 32 claims a day.
Every politician lies. You worry about "if you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance" or "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor".
Which in most cases it is not a lie but an exaggeration. Trump averaged 32 claims a day.
speaking of lies, specifically lies of omission by maggie haberman, et. al....
It’s almost impossible to keep the ever-expanding cast of characters in this dramatic mini-series straight. Really, it’s like a long Russian novel, but one with no collusion, only an endless cast of characters and an involuted, nearly impossible-to-follow plot. One thing that several observers have noted is that only one tranche of characters is getting the limelight. Roger Stone suggested as much when he observed, in one of the best lines of the entire series, “John Podesta makes Paul Manafort look like St. Thomas Aquinas. Where is the New York Times?”
Good question. Inquiring minds want to know. Why haven’t the New York Times and the rest of the Democratic party media apparatus—to say nothing of the office of the special counsel—taken an interest in the Podesta brothers, John and Tony? The latter worked with Paul Manafort in the Ukraine, the former was the head of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. Interesting, no?
https://amgreatness.com/2018/11/29/welcome-back-to-the-big-bully-boy-scout-show/
William F. Buckley, Jr. Is rolling in his grave in regards to this President.
Don't look now, but trump is nicely shoring up his support among moderates and minorities. In February he promised to ban bump stocks by executive order. CNN reporting that he will do it now. Moderates support this.
And the prison reform he is backing and pushing is popular among minorities.
Dems will get crushed if they try to impeach.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/13/president-trump-has-made-more-than-false-or-misleading-claims/
Every politician lies. You worry about "if you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance" or "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor".
Which in most cases it is not a lie but an exaggeration.
no alky,
it was a flat out fucking disgusting fucking egregious fucking life-destroying fucking LIE.
so disgusting and so egregious that it earned 0linsky LIE OF THE YEAR in 2013.
irony is lost on you, seeing as how you chose to lie about trump's "lies."
and here's your link, captain plagiarist:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/13/president-trump-has-made-more-than-false-or-misleading-claims/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.73337dd85291
Actually the opposite is true. Buckley hated career politicians, preferring real people. Trump is certainly the latter and not the former.
specifically lies of omission by maggie haberman, e
Maggie ain't potus rectum breath.....you just blindly accept trumps BS without question...it is doubtful you are smart enough to realize he is destroying the foundations of our country by questioning everything the DOJ, CIA, FBI do to protect is own fat white ass that your head is stuck in.....every conservative that loved the country is doing the same except the assholes in the senate and congress that slurp with rectum breath.....idiots.....repent,,,, his end is getting near!!!
Dems will get crushed if they try to impeach.
i can't wait for the new congress to begin. watching pelosi try to keep her schitt together while suffering a barrage of daily mini-strokes is going to be a laugh riot.
Michael Cohen, a former personal attorney to President Trump, pleaded guilty Thursday to one count of making false statements to Congress about a Moscow real estate project Trump pursued during the months he was running for president.
[Michael Cohen plea agreement from the Special Counsel’s office]
During the campaign, Cohen acted as Trump’s point person in an attempt to built a Trump-branded development in Moscow. He has said the project was in its early stages in the fall of 2015, as Trump’s presidential campaign heated up.
He also has said the project stalled in January 2016, prompting him to email a top aide to Russian President Vladimir Putin seeking help. Cohen previously said he never received a response and the project was halted that month.
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But emails showed that Cohen continued to have contact into the summer of 2016 with Felix Sater, the Russian-born developer who was assisting on the project. The emails’ existence was first reported by The Washington Post.
In June 2016, Sater invited Cohen to attend an economic conference in St. Petersburg, assuring Cohen he could be introduced to Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, top financial leaders and perhaps Putin, The Post reported.
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keep plagiarizing shit we've already read, gin blossom..
Trump is not a real person. He's an impostor posing as a conservative Republican. He is a pathological liar and believes that he and only he matters.
I read his book on the John Birch society and watched his PBS debate program. He was a true intellectual genius and he would despise the President.
More data showing how fucked the Grand Old White Man Party is.....yes it is a D organization, but the research appears solid and should be disturbing to all the old white men here......LOLOLOLOL
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/29/opinion/trump-democrats-midterms-southwest.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
atalist, a for-profit data firm founded in 2006 by the Democratic campaign strategists Harold Ickes and Laura Quinn, has become a go-to source of voter and donor information for liberal and progressive organizations.
During and after the 2018 elections, the firm conducted a study of the electorate to determine favorable and unfavorable developments important to its clients.
Catalist found that between 2014 and 2018 white voters aged 18 to 44 shifted sharply in favor of the Democrats. In 2014, whites 18 to 29 supported Democrat candidates by one percentage point; in 2018, these young white voters backed Democrats by 26 points, a substantial 25-point swing.
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Whites 30 to 44 went from voting Republican by 21 points in 2014 to backing Democrats by 9 points in 2018, an even larger 30-point shift.
It goes without saying that the Republican Party depends on overwhelming white support to remain competitive.
In addition, the Catalist analysis found a 7-point drop in Republican support in rural communities, a key Trump base:
“Republican margins were substantially smaller (in rural areas), going from a 35-point advantage for Republicans in 2016 down to 28 points this year,” Yair Ghitza, chief scientist at Catalist, wrote in a summary of the study’s findings.
Young voters drove the drop in rural support for Republicans. Ghitza cited findings in the Catalist study showing “that young voters in rural areas voted for Democrats by much larger margins than in the past. Democrats lost 18-29 year olds in rural areas by 17 points in 2016, and that shifted to +8 this year, a 25-point shift.” Among rural voters 30 to 44, support for Republicans fell from 31 points in 2016 to 13 points in 2018.
Every politician lies. You worry about "if you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance" or "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor".
Which in most cases it is not a lie but an exaggeration.
it was a complete and utter fucking lie. Current plan designs become illegal every year as the actuarial value changes ANNUALLY
Continued...
The Catalist data on rural voters coincides with the work of G. Elliott Morris, a political data analyst at The Economist who also runs a blog called The Crosstab.
In the Midwest, according to Morris, “Democratic candidates for the U.S. Senate beat Hillary Clinton’s performance in rural areas.” Morris contends that “Obama-Trump voters could be coming home to roost.”
This is crucial because, as we all know well, Trump lost the popular vote in 2016, but eked out an Electoral College victory after carrying Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania by margins of 22,748, 10,714 and 41,292 votes — that’s 74,754 votes, or 0.54 percent of a total of 13.9 million cast in the three states.
Polls by the centrist Democracy Fund Voter Study Group show that opposition to immigration — one of the most important issues powering the Trump presidential campaign — may be moderating among voters in the Midwest.
Emily Ekins, director of polling for the Cato Institute and a member of the Voter Study Group, pointed out the consequences by email:
We also saw much of the Midwest disproportionately shift left compared to 2016. This maps onto opinion trends I’ve been studying as part of the Democracy Fund Voter Study Group: Midwestern Democrats are joining their coastal peers in attitudes on immigration and race and it’s pulling them leftward.
Ekins provided data showing that from 2012 to 2018, 24 percent of voters in the Midwest “became more likely to say illegal immigrants make a ‘contribution’, ” compared to seven percent who “became more likely to say illegal immigrants are a ‘drain’. ”
The outcome of the 2018 midterm elections does not predict results in the 2020 presidential election, but it does signal geographic strengths and vulnerabilities going forward.
After Democrats lost control of the House and Senate in 1994, President Bill Clinton adjusted his governing strategy by moving to the center and, to give one example, enacting welfare reform. He famously declared in his 1996 State of the Union address that “the era of big government is over,” which he would not have said in 1994 or 1992.
this is funny.
cohen stands to serve between zero and six months, and pay a fine of between $500 and $9500.
big fucking deal.
https://www.justice.gov/file/1115566/download
I see lo iq commie who rails against people posting opinion pieces himself posts opinion pieces, and from the same FAKE NEWS NYT he called cherry picking on the California wildfires.
guess he likes this opinion.
and rather than summarizing and providing a link he posts the link and then the entire piece.
ROFLMFAO at lo iq
Politically Trump is a real person. We hear it daily in the way he communicates. You are mistaken.
osts opinion pieces, and from the same FAKE NEWS NYT he called cherry picking on the California wildfires.
That's the best you got fucking coward asshole....ad hominem is backbone or trump and his assholes.....big chuckle at your stupidity, the other R tenet....LOLOLOL
Blogger Roger Amick said...
William F. Buckley, Jr. Is rolling in his grave in regards to this President.
people who actually knew buckley personally and considered him a friend would say you're full of shit, alky.
and the name of the show was firing line. if you had actually watched it you would have known this.
big fucking deal.
Could have been years asshole....but maybe you should serve for him....lOLOLOTrump calls cohen a liar!!! Funny, everyone is a liar except donnie!!!!.....rectum breath shoves his head further up trumps fat white ass and smells roses!!!!!
lo iq commie posts ad hominem attacking ad hominem. HOWLING, can't make this shit up
That's the best you got fucking coward asshole....ad hominem is backbone or trump and his assholes.....big chuckle at your stupidity, the other R tenet....LOLOLOL
and he wonders why I call him lo iq commie and others dopie, and now himself "unknown"...
ROFLMFAO !!!
Every politician lies. You worry about "if you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance" or "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor".
Which in most cases it is not a lie but an exaggeration
That statement was an absolute lie. It wasn't a misstatement, an exaggeration, or some sort of white lie.
It was an absolute, 100%, know it was a lie before he told it : "lie"
and it was done in an attempt to garner support for his health care plan. It was done to mislead the public (and the media who parroted the lie during the whole deal) to garner political gain.
The reason you keep coming back to "inauguration crowd size" is because none of the other 62,546,981,208 lies you believe he told are interesting or important enough to even recall.
the thing that made the "you can keep your..." lie so fucking evil is that not only did it fuck people out of perfectly good insurance that they loved, that fuckstick economist jonathan gruber from MIT went around the country mocking, ridiculing, and laughing at all the folks 0linsky fucked over.
I didn't mention the inaugural crowd.
It's because he is not mentally fit to be the President.
Millions of Americans have health insurance coverage from Obamacare. Is it perfect? No. Is it an improvement from what we had? Hell yeah.
Obamacare is here to stay. You're still trying to repeal the Social Security and medicare/medicaid.
If you would accept that and move on rather than hate liberals so much that you ignore the President and his pathological behavior. You might actually be Thecoldheartedtruth once again.
Firing Line almost made me a conservative.
You were in grade school English and failing regularly.
Obamcare was and is not an improvement. That's the point. Higher costs for a worse policy that mandates coverage some neither need nor want.
Speaking of "insider liars", it's time for another victory dance. Tea-bag style over the prone decaying corpse of everything Coldheart said about the Cohen raid.
Enjoy.
But hey men can get "free" pap smears and women "free" prostate exams
My Wife is paying four times as much as she used to (pre-existing conditions).
The problem is that her old insurance no longer offers the plan she had (because they didn't conform to Obamacare rules) and now only offers the basic plans on the exchange... none of which covers what she had or the doctors she had.
Prior to Obamacare, she had the same insurance for over 10 years. Since Obamacare she has had to change nearly every year because whoever she buys from ends up having to make changes.
I have no idea who it is "good for". I have not run across a single individual who buys on the exchanges who believes they are getting a better deal.
Millions of Americans have health insurance coverage from Obamacare. Is it perfect? No. Is it an improvement from what we had? Hell yeah.
another flat out lie.
it hurt far more people than it helped, destroying household budgets and sending people on searches for new docs that would take their new shitty insurance. all seize control of 16% of the economy and purchase the parasite vote that they already had in their pocket to begin with.
improvement? the same poor people are still going to the same emergency rooms, alky. the ACA didn't even solve THAT problem.
and skeets had to unconstitutionally fund it until he got caught.
NOTHING about the ACA is better than before the ACA. not a fucking thing.
In Obama's second term, I had to get insurance from the exchange. I had to pay $1300/no for a silver high deductible family health plan. That's the second lowest for the uneducated.
Cheaper my ass.
Firing Line almost made me a conservative.
yeah, sure it did. buckley had you right up until he called gore vidal a faggot, right alky?
you're so full of shit.
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But hey men can get "free" pap smears and women "free" prostate exams
and 70+ year old grannies will have free prenatal care. but hey, the alky calls that an improvement over what they had.
the guy has the intellectual agility of a used toothbrush.
Last year my Wife's insurance went up almost $200... and she got a higher deductible and lower coverages.
I am sure Roger and Denny use the exchanges though... after all, it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
WASHINGTON, D.C.—Addressing a crowd at a lucrative speaking engagement Tuesday evening, former president Barack Obama slammed President Trump for his "inhumane" use of tear gas at the border earlier this week, pointing out that a drone strike would have done the job much more effectively.
Obama ripped into Trump for using tear gas when a simple deadly drone strike would have sufficed.
"Whenever I had a problem with foreigners, I never turned to inhumane methods like tear gas—instead, I just took 'em out with a well-placed Hellfire II," he said, drawing cheers. "It's a much cleaner, faster method of dealing with non-Americans—and even the occassional American citizen," he added.
"It's great—you just call it in and wham, bam, thank you MQ-9 Reaper. No muss, no fuss," he said. He added that while the Border Patrol did use tear gas fairly often during his term in office, it "didn't count" because the media wouldn't cover it.
Obama grinned and winked at his audience, then dropped the microphone.
The crowd then lept to its feet to applaud the "compassionate" ex-commander in chief, weeping and yelling "We miss you!"
Octogenarians aren't eligible
Speaking of Obama, the sad sack is now trying to take credit for the US record high oil production, even though he went out of his way to block every attempt to expand it.
What a pathetically small man.
I am sure Roger and Denny use the exchanges though...
of course.
that's a fundamental trait of liberalism. as long as they have theirs, they get to preen and virtue signal to the rest of us about how they think things should be.
how many times did the alky brag about how much his self-inflicted cirrhosis liver transplant cost? and while he thought he was rubbing our nose in it, all he was really doing was reminding us of just what a selfish fucking asshole he is.
he doesn't give a FUCK about a single poor person who lacks health insurance. what he cares about was the 0linsky and the democrats WON when they jammed the ACA up America's ass in the dead of night.
the alky is a piece of shit. and my apologies to all the pieces of shit all over the world that i've associated with roger the draft dodging alcoholic.
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"Lynchings are going to return."
This is dumber then Cortez stupid, this is Alky stupid.
Did one happen today dumbass?
”I think the weakness of Mueller’s substantive findings are suggested by the fact that he has to resort to false statement prosecutions, which really shows that he didn’t start with very much, and that the very fact that he’s conducting an investigation has created these crimes,” Dershowitz told Bill Hemmer. “These are not crimes that had been committed prior to his appointment, they’re crimes that were committed as the result of his appointment, and that raises some questions about the role of special prosecutors in creating crimes, or creating opportunities for crimes to be committed.”
“In the end, I don’t think Mueller’s going to come up with very much, in terms of criminal conduct, that existed before he was appointed, and that’s pretty shocking,” added Dershowitz.
https://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/11/29/dershowitz-rips-mueller-for-false-statement-prosecutions-theyre-crimes-that-were-committed-as-the-result-of-his-appointment/
all those wymyns and childrens seeking asylum in america...
Border Patrol Arrests a MS-13 Gang Member
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Release Date: November 28, 2018
CALEXICO, Calif. – Border Patrol agents assigned to El Centro Sector arrested a gang member Saturday evening.
The incident occurred at approximately 6:09 p.m., when agents encountered a man just east of the Calexico Port of Entry suspected of being in the United States illegally. After a short interview, the man told agents he is a Honduran citizen and active gang member with the notorious Mara Salvatrucha 13 (MS-13) international crime organization. The man also told agents he traveled to the United States border with a large group of people from Central America intending on filing for asylum in the United States.
The man was taken to El Centro station for further questioning. At the station records checks revealed the man is 29-year-old Jose Villalobos-Jobel, a citizen of Honduras. Again, Villalobos confirmed his story of his gang involvement and intent on entering the United States illegally.
Villalobos will be held pending his processing and repatriation to Honduras.
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/border-patrol-arrests-ms-13-gang-member-2#
He charges people with lying after they would not lie for him.
Muller is a skank.
Criminal record illegal = Democrat
Kd the goat fucker postulates that...
He charges people with lying after they would not lie for him.
Muller is a skank.
Calls a marine veteran and ex director a fraud while he has never done a single thing of note for his country except whine like a stuck pig.....such a douche all the time.....
And rectum breath thinks this means something....
Border Patrol Arrests a MS-13 Gang Member
One whole member....they do that daily on LI or in LA....SHOCKINGLY STUPID but he posted it.....LOLOLOLOL
“In the end, I don’t think Mueller’s going to come up with very much, in terms of criminal conduct
Yep....saw him say that the other day....a little late even for an ag school flunky like you rat hole....As with opinions....just like assholes even Alan has one!!! We soon shall see whom is correct.......especially after the breaking news of today....tampering and obstruction are still against the law.....LOLOLOLOLOO
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