(not anything to do with Trump)
It is now being slowly (but surely) reported (and can be confirmed when all of the filings become public) that Manafort is being accused of lying about his business dealings rather than anything to do with Trump. This throws a wrench into the conspiracy theorists latest blockbuster sure fire at long last smoking gun piece of evidence that will expose the grand collusion story.
But this whole thing proves several things. First is that the media is bound and determined to report all activities surrounding special counsel under the "assumption" that everything Mueller does is tying back to a yet to be released, leaked, or implied bombshell mountain of evidence of conpiracies and collusion. They twist and turn everything to make you believe that this is "finally" the big one... only to be eventually let down. (Got WMD anyone?).
But ironically, once the story begins to change and the more facts come out, the mainstream media seems woefully uninterested in clarifying or reporting on the actual facts. They just move on to the next bit of information that still allows them to manufacture the story that they want to tell.
I find it ironic how many people made the determination that it was unprecedented, unethical, and possibly illegal that Trump and Manafort attorneys were still talking (as they can legally do when both parties are being investigated for the same thing). Because, after all, Manafort and Mueller came to terms and Manafort was cooperating. Once cooperation was in play, the joint legal efforts should stop. Right?
Now even though (the quiet but accurate) reporting was that Manafort had agreed to cooperate in regards to who else might have been involved in the very things he was charged for (tax evasion, failure to register, etc), most everyone in the MSM assumed that Manafort was providing Mueller and his team information on Trump.
Earth to liberals. Nothing Manafort was charged or found guilty of had anything to do with Trump, Russia, or the 2016 election. There is no logical reason to believe that his cooperation with authorities would have anything to do with anything "other" than what he was being charged with.
So the fact that the two legal teams are coordinating would not be unprecedented, unethical, or even remotely illegal.
Occam's Razor - when troubleshooting something, the theory or hypothesis with the least amount of assumptions is generally the correct theory. It takes approximately zero assumptions to conclude that the reason that the Trump and Manafort legal teams are still talking is that Manafort's agreement with Mueller has to do with the crimes he was charged with. The theory that Manafort is cooperating with Mueller about Russian collusion exists "entirely" on unfounded assumption.
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(not anything to do with Trump)
Well isn't that great news....But I think Cohen has everything to do with trump even though donnie has thrown him under the bus again by calling him weak and a liar....that sure will influence his testimony Lil Scotty, old white man with an attitude....LOLOL....the end is getting closer and me thinks it will not be pretty in spite of dershowitz's opinion of a nothing burger....BWAAAA!!!
"Then there is Alky stupid." RRB ®
"Cohen could put the President in jail." Father was an alky too
Yeah...
Richard Cohen is up to his ears in Trumps business dealings with Russian businessmen. The deal fell apart in January of 2016.
None of it has anything to do Email hacking, collusion, or the 2016 election.
But like a dog whistle. If it involves someone from Russia, then it must have to do with Collusion. Because Rog and Denny know that pretty much all 144 million Russians were "in on it".
. The deal fell apart in January of 2016.
Really what about june 2016 continuing on to jan 2017.....I guess you missed those parts....no surprise for a partisan old white man like you, Lil Scotty....
Who is lying and why?
Trump said that Cohen is trying to get a reduced sentence.
Is Trump lying to avoid being impeached?
Who do you choose to believe!
He was still working with the Russians as of June 2nd when the infamous meeting took place.
Instead of making shit up old white man style, you really need to keep up, Lil Scotty,.....
Cohen had previously said that the deal was stopped in January 2016. Cohen now says the deal talks continued with Russian officials through June, by which time Trump was the presumptive Republican presidential nominee. In fact, in January 2016, Cohen received a response from Russian President Vladimir Putin’s press secretary and discussed the project with someone in that office.
Cohen also is now saying that he agreed to travel to Russia in connection with the project — and that he took steps in contemplation of a possible Trump trip there.
NEW YORK – Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump’s former lawyer, made a surprise appearance before a federal judge in New York on Thursday to plead guilty to lying to Congress about work he did on an aborted project to build a Trump Tower in Russia.
Flanked by his lawyers, Cohen admitted making false statements in 2017 to the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence about the project.
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Cohen told the judge he lied about the timing of the negotiations and other details to be consistent with Trump’s “political message.”
Cohen and prosecutors referred to Trump as “individual one” throughout Thursday’s proceedings and said he lied “to be loyal to Individual One.”
Among other lies, Cohen said he told Congress that all discussions of the Moscow Trump Tower project ended by January 2016, when they had actually continued until June of that year.
One of the prosecutors working with Special Counsel Robert Mueller was present in the courtroom.
Cohen’s lawyer, Guy Petrillo, said he would give the court a letter outlining how his client has cooperated with Mueller’s investigation.
In August, Cohen pleaded guilty to other federal charges involving his taxi businesses, bank fraud and his campaign work for Trump.
Reacting to the plea to the new charges, House Speaker Paul Ryan said Cohen “should be prosecuted to the extent of the law. That’s why we put people under oath.”
Cohen gave a statement to congressional committees last year saying the president’s company pursued a project in Moscow during the Republican primary but that the plan was abandoned “for a variety of business reasons.”
Cohen also said he sent an email to the spokesman for Russian President Vladimir Putin as part of the potential deal.
In his statement, he said that he worked on the real estate proposal with Felix Sater, a Russia-born associate who he said claimed to have deep connections in Moscow.
The discussions about the potential development began after Trump had declared his candidacy. Cohen had said the talks ended when he determined that the project was not feasible.
Cohen had also disclosed that Trump was personally aware of the deal, signing a letter of intent and discussing it with Cohen on two other occasions.
Ok, and that is illegal how?
The point is that the timeline clearly indicates that the candidate Trump was aware of his lawyer's involvement with Russians and the infamous Gold Tower meeting. He discussed going to Russia on the same day. It calls into question that the candidate declarations that he had no business with the Russians. After he was the presumptive Nominee. It appears that the candidate Trump lied about his actions with the Russians.
He is threatening to release investigations information from the Muller investigation damaging to the Democrats.
Donald Trump has warned Democrats against launching a series of investigations into his presidency - vowing that he is a "counter-puncher" who will unleash fury.
Speaking to The New York Post, Mr Trump warned of consequences if the Democrats - who take control of the House in January - use their new-found power to investigate him.
“If they go down the presidential harassment track, if they want go and harass the president and the administration, I think that would be the best thing that would happen to me," he said.
"I’m a counter-puncher and I will hit them so hard they’d never been hit like that."
He said he could declassify FISA warrant applications and other documents from Robert Mueller’s probe — and predicted the disclosure would expose the FBI, the justice department and the Clinton campaign as working in coordination to set him up.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/29/donald-trump-threatens-declassify-devastating-documents-democrats/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
The deal fell apart in January of 2016.
That doesn't make any difference because he had involvement with the Russians into at least June of 2016. Well after the Iowa caucuses. He swore that he had no memory pre knowledge of the meeting in the Tower.
He went absolutely insane this morning.
Mr. Cohen concluded his statement in court by saying that he made the false statements to Congress out of “loyalty” to the president and so that he would not contradict Mr. Trump’s “political messaging.”
Cohen also is now saying that he agreed to travel to Russia in connection with the project — and that he took steps in contemplation of a possible Trump trip there.
Two obvious points.
Cohen never actually "traveled" to Russia in connection to the project in June or anytime in 2016. He now "says he planned to". Do we believe him now rather than before?
The "project" had nothing to do with the election.
Roger
You are not seriously confusing the Trump Tower meeting with the Russian attorney/lobbyist with the Cohen business deal?
Are you?
Yep, rage of Nov 2016 has him cofused.
I'm looking at the timeline clearly indicates that he was working with Cohen after your 2016 time when he said that he had no business with any Russians.
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In two major developments this week, President Trump has been labeled in the parlance of criminal investigations as a major subject of interest, complete with an opaque legal code name: “Individual 1.”
New evidence from two separate fronts of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation casts fresh doubts on Trump’s version of key events involving Russia, signaling potential political and legal peril for the president.
Investigators have now publicly cast Trump as a central figure of their probe into whether Trump’s campaign conspired with the Russian government during the 2016 campaign.
Together, the documents show investigators have evidence that Trump was in close contact with his lieutenants as they made outreach to both Russia and WikiLeaks — and that they tried to conceal the extent of their activities.
On Thursday, Trump’s longtime personal lawyer Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to lying to Congress when he insisted that Trump was not pursuing plans to build a Trump Tower in Moscow after January 2016, casting Trump’s repeated claims that he had no business interests in Russia in a new light. A draft special counsel document revealed Tuesday also indicates that prosecutors are closely scrutinizing Trump’s interactions with a longtime adviser, Roger Stone, as he was seeking information about WikiLeaks’ plans to release hacked Democratic emails.
Legal experts said it’s still unclear how much peril the president might face as a result of the new evidence Mueller has gathered about the Moscow project and WikiLeaks, but his prominence in the prosecutors’ papers puts the president in an awkward starring role.
“It’s deeply troubling. It’s not a place that anybody wants to be, or where you would want your friends or family to be,” former federal prosecutor Glen Kopp said. “And it’s certainly not a place that you would want your president to be.”
‘Individual 1’: Trump emerges as a central subject of Mueller probe
https://wapo.st/2rb3CTT
Scott you have to look at the timeline. You made a claim that he was not involved with the Russians once he was the designated Republican candidate.
He's been saying that he didn't know about the Gold Tower meeting but if Jr. Is forced to testify before the house intelligence committee again and that the Muller people know what he knows and what he said to his father.
Kput'z shut up.
This is about the county not partisan politics.
It was decided on the same day as the Gold Tower meeting. It stinks like shit.
The "project" had nothing to do with the election. It matters if he was lying about that and his other contacts with the Russians through his campaign officials.
You are confused. They are closing in on the President.
It’s still unclear how much peril the president might face as a result of the new evidence Mueller has gathered about the Moscow project and the Gold Tower meeting.
He swore in response to the questions that he had no "memory" of prior knowledge of the meeting.
When the Democrats have new hearings I would not want to be Donald Trump Jr..
Sure Rog...
If you say so.
Kerry in a Landslide!!!
Ok, and that is illegal how?
Post the US Criminal Code Number so we can see why you are triggered dumb ass. Generations of alky in the Amadick family.
Sad how everyone's head is firmly stuck up trumps fat white old man's ass.....they are closing in!!!
Trump emerges as a central subject of Mueller probe
Investigators have evidence that President Trump was in close contact with his lieutenants as they reached out to Moscow and WikiLeaks — and that they attempted to conceal their activities.
By Carol D. Leonnig and Josh Dawsey
Wonder if our esteemed host has changed his fantasy of yesterday that the building in moscow went on a whole lot longer than January 2016 or will he ever admit his monumental fuck up????
The facts to which Mr. Cohen admitted on Thursday don’t establish that Mr. Trump conspired with Russian efforts to win him the election, but they refute Mr. Trump’s frequent, vehement claim that he had nothing to do with Russia as he sought the White House. It was that falsehood that Mr. Cohen sought to protect by lying himself. “I made these statements to be consistent with” Mr. Trump’s “political messaging,” he said in court.
Well into the presidential race and as Mr. Trump’s chances of becoming the Republican nominee appeared certain, Mr. Cohen worked hard to get into the good graces of the Russian government — procuring meetings with high-ranking officials, planning trips for himself and Mr. Trump, and briefing the then-candidate and his “family members” on his progress.
This is about the county not partisan politics.
oh no alky, this is very clearly about partisan politics.
mueller is hell bent on destroying every single person who knows, has done business with, or might have at one time socialized with trump.
working on a project in moscow during the 2016 election is not a crime. if trump was working to build a project in moscow TODAY it would not be a crime.
this is most certainly about partisan politics, and it will remain so until you assholes grow up and accept the result of the 2016 presidential election.
He went absolutely insane this morning.
no he didn't. but he certainly triggered your walker-pushing, geriatric ass just like he does EVERY fucking morning.
”I think the weakness of Mueller’s substantive findings are suggested by the fact that he has to resort to false statement prosecutions, which really shows that he didn’t start with very much, and that the very fact that he’s conducting an investigation has created these crimes,” Dershowitz told Bill Hemmer. “These are not crimes that had been committed prior to his appointment, they’re crimes that were committed as the result of his appointment, and that raises some questions about the role of special prosecutors in creating crimes, or creating opportunities for crimes to be committed.”
“In the end, I don’t think Mueller’s going to come up with very much, in terms of criminal conduct, that existed before he was appointed, and that’s pretty shocking,” added Dershowitz.
https://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/11/29/dershowitz-rips-mueller-for-false-statement-prosecutions-theyre-crimes-that-were-committed-as-the-result-of-his-appointment/
This is fun
"United Nations (U.N.) Secretary-General Antonio Guterres saidin an interview with the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) Thursday that the trend in favor of nationalist policies around the world is making it harder to promote a global approach to fighting climate change.
“I think that it is clear to me that the world is more polarized. We have more and more nationalist approaches being popular and winning election or having strong election results,” Guterres said. “We see the trust between public opinions and institutions — governments, political establishments but also International organization … being eroded.”
Freedom Returning - Globalist in Panic mode.
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As you drive your land barge around carrying wood because you can't afford to heat your double wide....asshole
”I think the weakness of Mueller’s substantive findings are suggested by the fact that he has to resort to false statement prosecutions,
I think you and breitbart, who is dead....are grasping at straws and have no fucking idea what mueller has left or what shoe is about to drop....Hang on jag off.....it is going to be a helluva ride as Individual 1 is being closed in on....LOLOLOLOL at you again....
And then there is Alky stupid" RRB
"This is about the county not partisan politics." Generational Alcoholism
Alky never ask the question, why has Mueeler not interviewed Hillary and all of her staff?
After all they are the damaged parties. They can give their computers and other devices to the All Democrat Investigators of Muller.
what shoe"
Lordie
“It always helps if everyone is in line with what we think, but we shouldn’t reduce the discussion about climate change to the individual position of this or that leader,” said
United Nations (U.N.) Secretary-General Antonio Guterres
Of course agree with them or else, the mind of the tolerant left.
Mueller was appointed to investigate Russia election collusion. And two years later, he's charged five people with lying after his appointment, and some with financial crimes from over a decade ago.
If he had anything on collusion, Cohen would be charged with it.
And yet, he still has no interest in looking into anything Hillary did.
This is all political. House dems will impeach just because they have a list for it. But it will die in the senate.
mark levin boils down the mueller probe to its essence:
And like a bad thigh rash, as Mark Levin says, the Mueller witch hunt erupts onto the front pages mostly over the nothing-burger of Michael Cohen's guilty plea over a process crime that has absolutely zero to do with the President or even the allegations of "muh-Koluzhnikovs!"
The Great One himself says the President has nothing to worry about, and several good links also lambaste grand inquisitor Mueller himself. But the salient point is that the process itself is the punishment. Though no real damage per se has been done to Trump, far too many people (thanks to the Media) actually believe that he with the help of Putin somehow stole the 2016 election and therefore, and more crucially, his entire presidency and agenda are illegitimate.
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/378418.php
the process is the punishment.
that's what this has been about all along.
I think you and breitbart, who is dead..
Yeah, Andrew Breitbart died like six years ago. Way to keep up?
Of course, the website is thriving, bringing in more traffic than Drudge Report and Politico combined.
and have no fucking idea what mueller has left or what shoe is about to drop
actually den-bo, we we know exactly what mueller has left...
nothing.
two years, $40 MILLION.
got collusion?
nope.
we have popadop serving 2 weeks.
we have cohen doing 6 months and paying $9500 MAX, per the plea agreement.
we have all of this nickledick, perjury trap, process crime bullshit.
what we don't have after the aforementioned 2 yrs and $40 MIL is COLLUSION or any evidence what so fucking ever that russia fucked with our election.
if i were the doorman of trump tower i'd be shitting a brick right now because you just know that mueller is going to seize the guy's computer and drag him in for questioning over a random email the guy forwarded 5 years ago.
two years, $40 MILLION.
Hey ass wipe....last week donnie claimed the total was 30 million....IOW's mueller is spending 10 million a week on nothing....LOL at what a troll you are....
actually den-bo, we we know exactly what mueller has left...
nothing.
Wenna make a wager on that, ass breath??????
Wenna make a wager on that, ass breath?
Rat doesn't wager with old white men who pretend that they are not old white men.
wager with old white men who pretend that they are not old white men.
Hey asswipe, I'm not afraid to admit that is what I am....Unlike you who is petrified his way of life is ending...too fucking funny Lil old white man scotty.....Rat's just another chicken shit who is all mouth and no brains.....kinda like you....
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