In recent interviews, Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani stated that at least one of the questions that special counsel asked Trump was in regards to his business dealings with Russia. Giuliani suggested that Trump had stated in his written response that there was some talks between Trump Organization and various Russian businessmen, and that he was aware that Cohen took part in those talks. Apparently Trump also admitted that these talks did take place during the campaign, with the logic being that he needed to continue his business ventures, on the remote off chance that he might not win the election and become President.
Giuliani insisted that the questions from Mueller did not ask about any timelines, and that Trump provided only general timelines that probably would neither have directly repuded or directly reinforced what Cohen stated. Giuliani also suggested that the President denied that there was any legal contracts, or that the project ever took place, while acknowledging that there was a non-binding letter of intent. Giuliani insists that the only reason Mueller even knows about Cohen, and his talks with the Russians, was because of the information provided to special counsel from the President's legal team.
It is beginning to sound as if the President's answers to these questions involved a lot of broad general answers, with very little tangible details, predicated on the basic concept that the answers were to the "best of his recollection". These questions appear to have been answered very specifically to keep the President out of any perjury traps.
So the idea that Mueller waited till the President answered his questions before charging Cohen is being promoted (by the left) as an obvious suggestion that he hoped to catch the President in similar lies. However, it could be that the President's own statements (previous as well as the recent written responses) regarding Cohen's involvement might have actually reinforced Mueller's decision to charge Cohen.
Either way, the idea that Trump was looking at doing business in Moscow, and then folded the tent when it became clear he would be President is not illegal. Not in any sense of the word. Because it was not illegal, it also does not provide (as some have suggested) with some sort of Russian leverage over Trump. There is also no indication that the President and Cohen were in cahoots regarding a mutual "story" about these business ventures. If there was such a conspiracy to commit perjury, Cohen ended up in cahoots with nobody but himself.
Btw... the other debunked theory was that Cohen was being charged because of his denials that he ever went to Prague (which was part of the conspiracy offered by Richard Steele and his infamous dossier). Many believe (and many media types have reported) that Mueller has evidence that Cohen did take this trip. This would be an important revelation because it could "confirm" something from the Steele dossier. However, there was nothing in the charging statement that has anything to do with this trip. All of the allegations were entirely in regards to these business dealings. Had Cohen lied to congress about Prague, it surely would have been part of this charge.
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that's not a very good picture of roger. he looks gaunt, sickly.
I'm in the best health in decades.
You have admitted that Trump has been lying about his business dealings with the Russians. You carefully avoided making it clear spoken.
The leverage is real. The timeline clearly indicates that he was still conducting business with the Russians during the election. Illegal? We have not seen all the questions that he submitted to the Muller investigation team.
Pure speculation is that this is just the beginning of the end.
"best of his recollection"
Lawyer talk for guilty clients.
Guilty.
By Josh Marshall
November 29, 2018 8:42 pm
Sometimes it’s worth stepping back and stating the obvious. Over the course of these thirty months of cover-ups, every player in the Trump/Russia story has lied about their role in the conspiracy. And not hedging and spinning fibs but straight up lies about the core nature of their involvement, their overt acts.
Most – though here what we know is a bit more tentative – seem to have lied under oath, whether to congressional committees or a grand jury. Not a single one of them told a story that wasn’t eventually contradicted and disproved. Not a single one.
Not a single one of them told a story that wasn’t eventually contradicted and disproved. Not a single one.
and not a single one has told a story that proves that the russians colluded (LOL) to influence the 2016 presidential election, which is what this was supposedly all about.
NOT A SINGLE ONE.
grow up josh. your side lost.
but you were right about one thing - refusing to accept the results of an election REALLY IS a threat to our democracy. refusing to accept clinton's defeat has torn our nation apart.
good job, asshole. good job.
I'm in the best health in decades.
So in other words...
You pretty much had a shitty health life for the first 80 years, huh?
The timeline clearly indicates that he was still conducting business with the Russians during the election. Illegal?
Not in the slightest. An international businessman can conduct business in any country he wants, anytime he wants.
What do you supposed he will be charged with, Rog?
You have admitted that Trump has been lying about his business dealings with the Russians.
Um... no. Did you actually read the post?
According to Guiliani, Trump was the person who provided special counsel with the information regarding the Russian business negotiations and Cohen's involvement.
Trump not only stated (in his written questions) that they were negotiating with the Russians during the campaign, and that Cohen was involved, and that at one time they had a non-binding letter of intent to build in Moscow.
So I am not sure where you would think he is under any scrutiny for "lying" about it. His only answers that matter (legally) are those he gave to Special Counsel (which appear to be fully forthright).
every one of your points is salient and spot on. roger is acting like the rest of the left. they simply refuse to believe that trump is not guilty of something, and mueller needs to keep investigating until he finds what that something is.
if mueller had an ounce of integrity he'd end this charade himself. he's got to be embarrassed by now, as anyone with a shred of self-respect would be. but he seems to be committed to what Levin correctly identified as "the process being the punishment." and this is why this doesn't end anytime soon. it's been weaponized to serve the democrats 2020 presidential aspirations. so between now and then anyone who has so much as passed trump on the sidewalk is susceptible to personal, professional, and financial ruin.
believe it or not, this thing is just getting started.
ralph 'strap-on' maddow was peddling this nonsense on MSDNC last night:
The Trump Organization Planned To Give Vladimir Putin The $50 Million Penthouse In Trump Tower Moscow
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/anthonycormier/the-trump-organization-planned-to-give-vladimir-putin-the
one of the funnier lines from the story -
Two FBI agents with direct knowledge of the Trump Tower Moscow negotiations told BuzzFeed News earlier this year that Cohen was in frequent contact with foreign individuals about the real estate venture — and that some of these individuals had knowledge of or played a role in 2016 election meddling. The identity of those individuals remains unknown.
CH posted this joke
According to Guiliani,
According to our slurpper of the north....Rudy has credence....BWAAAAAAAA!!!!
As Lil scotty whistles dixie....
Trump not only stated (in his written questions) that they were negotiating with the Russians during the campaig
Trump emerges as a central subject of Mueller probe
Investigators have evidence that President Trump was in close contact with his lieutenants as they reached out to Moscow and WikiLeaks — and that they attempted to conceal their activities.
By Carol D. Leaning and Josh Dawsey
OOPS!!!!!!
WASHINGTON – Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into President Trump’s efforts to build a skyscraper in Moscow has led him to ask questions about the role two of the president’s children played in attempting to secure a Russian real estate deal, sources tell Yahoo News.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/mueller-eyes-ivanka-don-jr-s-work-trump-tower-moscow-003012099.html
at some point someone in authority needs to seriously consider indicting mueller.
"What do you supposed he will be charged with, Rog?"
He has dodge that question since Nov. 9th, 2016. When the Left launched "The Resistance".
Best health of your life roger.
Metaphysical Impossibility.
at some point someone in authority needs to seriously consider indicting mueller.
That will be right after someone discovers your damaged brain.....LOL
Metaphysical Impossibility.
Breathe deep goat fucker and get that polluted wood furnace air into your lungs....especially those nasty particulates that you think smell nice....LOLOLOLOL
Donald Trump Jr.'s testimony to Congress about his family's real estate negotiations with powerful Russians does not comport with the new version laid out by Donald Trump's ex-attorney Michael Cohen, official transcripts show.
Trump Jr. told the Senate Judiciary Committee in September 2017 that although there had been negotiations surrounding a prospective Trump Tower in Moscow, they concluded without result "at the end" of 2014.
"But not in 2015 or 2016?" Trump Jr. was asked.
"Certainly not '16," he said. "There was never a definitive end to it. It just died of deal fatigue."
Trump's account contrasts with the new version of events given by Cohen on Thursday in a guilty plea in federal court. In that new version, Cohen says the discussions with at least one Russian government official and others in Moscow continued through June 2016, well into Trump's presidential campaign.
Cohen initially told Congress he reached out to a spokesman for Russian President Vladimir Putin and didn't hear back. On Thursday, his guilty plea acknowledged that he had heard back and that other negotiations with other Russians went forward.
Trump Jr. told the Senate committee last year that he was "peripherally aware" of these discussions but that he didn't know that Cohen had sent an email to the Putin aide, Dmitry Peskov.
Cohen said in his guilty plea that he had briefed Trump's family members about his talks, although the court documents don't specify which ones.
Looking "lightly"
An attorney for Trump Jr. didn't immediately respond to a request for comment on this story.
Earlier this year, when other potential discrepancies arose between what Cohen was saying and what Trump Jr. told Congress, attorney Alan Futerfas stood by Trump Jr.'s testimony.
"Donald Trump Jr. has been professional and responsible throughout the Mueller and congressional investigations," he said in the summer. "We are very confident of the accuracy and reliability of the information that has been provided by Mr. Trump Jr., and on his behalf."
Separately, an attorney for President Trump, Rudy Giuliani, said on Thursday that no laws have been broken and that the information that underpins Cohen's plea actually came from the Trump Organization — confirming that it has been supporting the ongoing investigations.
"Michael Cohen is a liar," Giuliani said. "It's no surprise that Cohen lied to Congress. He's a proven liar who is doing everything he can to get out of a long-term prison sentence for serious crimes of bank and tax fraud that had nothing to do with the Trump Organization."
Junior may have perjured himself in his sworn testimony before the congressional hearing.
The timeline
The shift in understanding of the events of 2016 provided by Cohen is important for a few reasons:
First, it called into question the Trump family's denials about having business dealings with Russians. Second, it confirmed the Trumps had a channel open with powerful Russians at the same time the Russian government was waging a widespread campaign of "active measures" against the United States.
According to Trump Jr. and others who have spoken to Congress, the Trump family was negotiating with Moscow real estate billionaire Aras Agalarov and his family.
Aras and his son Emin also were in the chain of contacts used to convey an offer of help for the Trump campaign from the Russian government to Trump Jr., one that yielded a meeting in New York City in June of 2016. Trump Jr. and other top campaign leaders hosted a delegation they believed would deliver dirt on Hillary Clinton.
The contrast between Cohen's statement and Trump Jr's version of events may complicate potential legal problems for Trump Jr. Although seldom prosecuted, lying to Congress is against the law — as evidenced by Cohen's plea.
If the office of special counsel Robert Mueller is looking for prospective criminal charges to level against Trump Jr. and it has evidence from Cohen or others that he was aware of the Moscow negotiations into 2016, that could prove problematic for Trump Jr.
Trump Jr. was advised in his Senate Judiciary Committee interview that although he hadn't sworn an oath to tell the truth, he was required by law to answer questions from Congress truthfully. He was asked whether he understood that.
"I do," Trump Jr. answered.
The candidate Trump was having business dealings with Russians. Cohen confirmed the Trumps had a channel open with powerful Russians at the same time the Russian government was waging a widespread campaign of "active measures" against the United States.
Junior said the opposite under oath.
The fact that roger is trying so hard on this reveals just how weak it is.
Corsi is about to file a criminal complaint against Mueller alleging that he was asked to lie and witness tamper. And since Larry Klayman of judicial watch is on his legal team, it's very likely to happen.
Mueller is the one with mounting trouble.
Exactly. His witnesses are liars, according to Him.
Hey, dumb ass alky,
"In the three hours-plus that Hillary Clinton spoke with FBI investigators about her private email server on July 2, she cited more than three-dozen things that she could not recall.
Among them were things such as specific emails that perhaps nobody could be expected to remember years later, but Clinton also said she had no recollection of several key moments when it came to her email server, including briefings on how to handle classified information and key conversations about her server."
Your stands applied.
Go get another drink with your alky dad.
Anonymous Myballs said...
The fact that roger is trying so hard on this reveals just how weak it is.
i think it shows old rog is completely insane, obsessed and fucking boring
Junior said the opposite under oath.
alky, we're 30 months and $40 mil into this clown show, and mueller is playing gotcha with jr???
geezus alky, got collusion?
The investigation, I believe, has come up truly empty on its central charge related to the president — collusion with the Russian government. They are now trying to find someone, anyone who had any contact with Julian Assange with the aim of calling that collusion-lite.
But mostly what Mueller’s team is doing is bludgeoning witnesses on unrelated charges to piece together a case against the president. They are shaping that case through the indictments -- and threats of indictments -- that are being used to get guilty pleas to make the president seem like an obstructor or co-conspirator. They are literally creating the crimes.
Mark Penn is managing director of the Stagwell Group. He was chief strategist on Bill Clinton’s 1996 presidential campaign, Hillary Clinton’s 2000 Senate campaign, and Mrs. Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/mark-penn-the-mueller-investigation-has-come-up-empty-on-russia-you-wont-believe-whats-coming-next
it's process crimes all the way down...
Corsi is about to file a criminal complaint against Mueller alleging that he was asked to lie and witness tamper. And since Larry Klayman of judicial watch is on his legal team, it's very likely to happen.
good.
it's time to turn the tables on mueller. he's a dirty cop, as corrupt as the day is long. trump doesn't need to fire mueller. he needs guys like judicial watch to fuck with mueller every minute of every day. bury that piece of shit under an avalanche of lawsuits, complaints, counter subpoena's and every other legal stall tactic under the fucking sun.
i think it shows old rog is completely insane, obsessed and fucking boring
indeed. and since mueller has no intention of wrapping up until the 2020 presidential is over, the alky gets to thrash around for a couple more years.
if his second hand liver holds out, that is.
According to our slurpper of the north....Rudy has credence...
When it comes to knowing what Trump stated in his written answers to Mueller.... yeah, his personal attorney (who was part of the process) certainly has credibility.
Of course, you will believe some hack on CNN who is claiming that the President must have lied to Mueller. In spite of that person having exactly zero knowledge of the situation.
The candidate Trump was having business dealings with Russians.
No Rog... Trump was in negotiations for possible business dealings. Those negotiations had been ongoing since early 2015 and possibly before.
There was no actual business that was done with Russia.
Man... you are desperate.
The U.S. Office of the Special Counsel (OSC) on Friday found that six members of the Trump administration violated the Hatch Act.
[...]
The six officials found in violation of the Hatch Act had tweeted Trump’s campaign slogan “Make America Great Again,” or “MAGA” for short, on their official Twitter accounts.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/419119-government-watchdog-finds-6-trump-staffers-violated-hatch-act
so it's official. mueller has turned what was once supposed to be a legitimate investigation into the "let's just fuck with trump" show.
there you go, rog. happy now? LOL.
Good one Rat!!
The OSC decided not to pursue disciplinary action against any of the officials since they deleted their posts once they became aware of the violation.
So I wonder how many Obama officials were cited for stating "yes we can" during their normal business day.
"Hey Bob, can you and your team attend a meeting at 1:00"
"Well sure Sue, yes we can"
$1000.00 fine!!
Funny stuff.
Use their tactics against them. I like it.
"it's time to turn the tables on mueller. he's a dirty cop, as corrupt as the day is long. trump doesn't need to fire mueller. he needs guys like judicial watch to fuck with mueller every minute of every day. bury that piece of shit under an avalanche of lawsuits, complaints, counter subpoena's and every other legal stall tactic under the fucking sun. "
Funny stuff.
funny indeed.
mueller has literally turned this thing into a fucking parody of a bad joke. next will be pre-dawn raids on the homes of white house staffers by the FBI looking for MAGA hats and trump bumper stickers.
here we go -
House Democrats’ first order of business in the new Congress will be targeting President Trump’s tax returns, setting the confrontational tone of the lower chamber.
The first bill, called House Resolution 1 (H.R. 1), indicates the Democrats’ inclination to resist Trump not only in House committees, where a number of investigations will be launched in January, but also by introducing legislation that directly involves the president.
The measure would mandate presidents to disclose their tax returns as part of a package that Democrats say would improve government and transparency of elected officials.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-target-trump-tax-returns-in-first-bill-under-new-house-majority
i love it. dems are planning to go full retard. it's a fucking clown show for the next two years.
that means there's no threat of legitimate and expensive legislation getting passed.
thank you God.
Wasn't the release a campaign promise, rectum breath???? Another broken pledge...can't wait to see them!! Especially the russina holdings....LOLOL
House Democrats’ first order of business in the new Congress will be targeting President Trump’s tax returns, setting the confrontational tone of the lower chamber.
Told you all of those suburban rich women who voted for Democrats will regret their decision.
Wait, Denise. What happened to the promise of working with the US Senate and the President?
The measure would mandate presidents to disclose their tax returns as part of a package that Democrats say would improve government and transparency of elected officials.
I was very curious as to how House Democrats thought that they could just "subpoena" the President's tax returns without any real reason. Looks like someone came to the conclusion that they might need to legislate something first.
On a scale from 1-10 - what are the chances of the President actually signing this bill (assuming it could even make it past the Senate).
It's not on the scale. There's zero chance.
This is just a waste of time.
"Large Alaska earthquake jolts residents, shakes buildings"
Bet they don't whine like Californians and Puerto Rico.
The chance = Zero.
The house dems will not walk the plank.
On a scale from 1-10 - what are the chances of the President actually signing this bill (assuming it could even make it past the Senate).
precisely.
this nonsensical bill, HR-1 ironically, is emblematic of the fucking insanity we'll witness for the next two years.
in fact, it's gonna be so fucked up c-span might just end up paying royalty/licensing $$$ to comedy central for some sort of broadcast or content infringement.
and imagine the battles that will take place. how is someone like sheila jackson lee or frederica wilson going to out-fucktard assholio fucktardio cortez?
We need Biden to join in and get the gaff machine running .
Bet they don't whine like Californians and Puerto Rico.
You really are an idiot....goat fucker...maybe an F5 passing over your hovel and we will see what a good refugee from a disaster you are...Bet you would complain the loudest if FEMA was too slow to help you....fuck off douche nozzle...
assholio fucktardio cortez?
Her goal posts away 22 TRILLION into Medicaid for every one.
HB, you still backing a payroll tax to look like it is being paid for?
what are the chances of the President actually signing this bill (assuming it could even make it past the Senate).
And what was the chance of Obama repealing the ACA when the congress voted on it 100 plus times??? And they still voted on it for what.....???? To show the old white base how tough they were....LOLOLOLOLOL!!!
hey alky,
sean davis from the federalist caught your buddies at NPR in a LIE and they've since issued a correction:
Updated at 4 p.m. ET
Editor's note: An earlier version of this report mischaracterized an answer Donald Trump Jr. gave to Senate investigators in 2017 about the prospective projects his family was negotiating with people in Moscow.
The story reported that Trump Jr.'s response — that negotiations on one project concluded by the end of 2014 – contrasted with the version of events as laid out in the guilty plea by Michael Cohen on Thursday. In fact, Trump Jr. and investigators were alluding to a different set of negotiations — not to a deal that Cohen was reportedly pursuing. Trump Jr. did acknowledge in his testimony that Cohen and another man were exploring a possible deal in Moscow in 2015 or 2016.
Trump Jr. did not address what Cohen has now admitted — that talks about such a deal continued at least into June 2016, longer than previously known and well into the presidential campaign.
https://www.npr.org/2018/11/30/672188201/trump-jr-s-2017-testimony-conflicts-with-cohen-s-account-of-russian-talks
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You don't have to take my word for it. Here's the actual transcript, which @nprpolitics conveniently didn't include.
https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1068568198252032000
NPR was so fucking corrupt and lazy they didn't even bother to review the transcript.
good job alky!
NPR Blatantly Lies About Donald Trump Jr.’s 2017 Senate Testimony
NOVEMBER 30, 2018 By Mollie Hemingway
NPR falsely claimed that Donald Trump Jr.’s testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee in September 2017 conflicted with an account given by a former attorney for President Donald Trump.
http://thefederalist.com/2018/11/30/npr-blatantly-lies-about-donald-trump-jr-s-2017-senate-testimony/#
What?
Anyone reading Denise syco posts?
Her goal posts away 22 TRILLION into Medicaid for every one.
$32.4 TRILLION to be exact.
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