Saturday, November 24, 2018

Wishful punditry

Mueller and a Blue House Could Bring Down Trump
President Nixon started in a relatively weak position. His misdeeds came to light during a period of opposition-party control, with Democrats able and willing to wield Congress’s investigative powers to the fullest. Prior to the hearings, Nixon enjoyed approval ratings: in the mid-50s among all Americans and well over 80 percent among Republicans. By August 1973, the Watergate hearings had dragged them down to just 31 percent nationally and a paltry 58 percent among co-partisans.
On August 9, 1974, with bipartisan articles of impeachment hanging over him, Nixon resigned.
President Donald Trump has thus far had a very different experience. For the past two years, Republican control of Congress has protected him from the public exposure Nixon and his staff had to endure. Now that the Democrats have taken back the House, the Trump administration will face a challenge from which it has been immune thus far: a far-reaching, aggressive, and highly public investigation of the kind that brought down Nixon.
So this is someone who actually believes that the difference between the investigation into Trump and the investigation into Nixon is about who is conducting it? Sorry, ace, but the real difference between the investigation into Trump and the investigation into Nixon was that Nixon was guilty as sin of what he was accused of doing, and there was plenty of evidence available to hang him out to dry.

There simply isn't any evidence out there that Trump has committed any crimes, much to the chagrin of his critics.

Moreover, while I am not sure how things were back in when Nixon was President, here in 2018 almost nobody takes "congressional investigations" seriously. Certainly nobody believes that congress can investigate "better" than the FBI or a special counsel who has been appointed (with an unlimited budge) to do nothing but investigate something. If, in fact, it was the case that people trusted congressional investigations, then there would not have been any call for a special counsel in the first place. It was always the position of Trump critics that a special counsel was needed to get to the bottom of the 2016 election.
Democratic control will bring two new advantages in the war on Trump. First, congressional committees hold an arsenal of investigative tools that can be called on with only majority-party assent. Chief among them is Congress’s subpoena power—its ability to compel the production of documents or the sworn testimony of witnesses in furtherance of a congressional investigation. That power can be exercised to produce anything from Trump’s much-discussed but as yet unseen tax returns to public testimony from his senior staff and family members (especially those who fit both descriptions). Moreover, due to a 2015 rule change pushed through by House Republicans, most House committees can now issue subpoenas on the authority of the chairperson alone, including three of the committees most likely to go after Trump: Oversight, Intelligence, and Foreign Affairs.
Well this is actually almost entirely false. While Congress has subpoena power, they are provided no more authority than the FBI or Special Counsel. If neither the FBI or special counsel has found any legitimate reason to subpoena the Presidents tax returns (for example) - then certainly Congress cannot do so. There are still fourth amendment protections involved, and Congressional oversight does not extend to what a President may or may not have done as a Private Citizen prior to him being President. In fact the authority of the Congressional oversight would fall far, far short of what the authority of Special Counsel would have. At least that was the argument from the left when they called so venomously for such an appointment to be made.
Second, Congress has the power to draw the results of any investigation into the harsh light of public scrutiny. The Watergate hearings were instrumental in bringing down Nixon because they forced Republicans to contend with damning testimony from the president’s closest aides, broadcast in prime time. Since Democrats today don’t control the Senate—let alone hold the two-thirds majority required for conviction on House impeachment charges—it’s all the more important for them to erode the president’s base of support before attempting impeachment.
This is "actually" what this is all about. Or at least it is in the world of wishful punditry. While Mueller is conducting an investigation behind the scenes, in a normal DOJ manner, Congress could demand that many of these witnesses testify publicly.

But again, the problem is that if Robert Mueller has not found any of these witnesses useful, and fails to tie the President or any of this close aides to Russia, then having these same witnesses testify publicly is not really going to turn public sentiment. The "assumption" that there is "damning testimony" just sitting out there if they call them before Congress is likely 100% back asswards wrong.

Now assuming that House Democrats would not start any competing investigation while Mueller is still doing his thing (and Congress would be silly to attempt to do so), whatever the House attempts will take place "after" Mueller has issued his report. By this time, I would believe that most of the country will want to put 2016 and Russia meddling "behind them" (especially if Mueller determines that there was no collusion). You are not going to change public opinion by having a bunch of House Democrats preening and chest thumping in front of the camera (which is what it would boil down to).
Republicans’ impeachment of Bill Clinton increased his approval rating as those on the left rallied around him. Today, Democrats would do well to keep their fingers off the trigger until the president’s approval has begun to crumble.
I think it would be more accurate to state that it was the entire concept of investigation after investigation over things that most of the country no longer cared about was what caused the backlash in Clinton's favor. The actual impeachment was just icing on the cake.

If the Mueller report comes up short, then the Democrats in the House stealing the baton and taking it for a run will likely just harden support with Trump voters, and probably create backlash from independents. The Democrats obviously have failed to learn from their experience with the Brett Kavanaugh fiasco, where they seemed to push way too hard over something that was dubious to start with. Time will tell if they make the same mistake of pushing more investigations into the Trump White House, at the expense of working across the aisle to solve problems.

33 comments:

Commonsense said...

Yes, they will make the same mistake. It's like taret's syndrome, they can't help it.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

32 People indicted
6 Guilty pleas
1 convention
4 jailed or imprisoned
3 sentences

"If the Mueller report comes up short, then the Democrats in the House stealing the baton and taking it for a run will likely just harden support with Trump voters, and probably create backlash from independents."

If Trump was a normal President I'm not certain that the Independents and the educated women voters would be turned off if they proceed with subpoenas and investigations.

You seem to believe that the Muller investigation will come up "short". No matter how much information about the President and possible collision or objection to justice they will not indict the President while in office.

I suspect that the Democrats will attempt to work with the President on infrastructure projects. But given his recent behavior I think it's unlikely that he will cooperate.

The same thing is fixing the ACA in regards to pre existing conditions. Will he cooperate or continue his Tweetsidency?

I have to add one more thing.

If it appears that in some ways he was informed about the Wikileaks before he made his speach on the Wikileaks upcoming events and possibly involved in the Gold Tower meeting, I suspect that you will choose not to believe the results of the investigation. No matter how many people who were involved testify against him. You will cling to the deep state conspiracy theories.


Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

My assumption was based upon your comment.

But again, the problem is that if Robert Mueller has not found any of these witnesses useful, and fails to tie the President or any of this close aides to Russia.

No matter how much credibility the witnesses have, you will not believe them.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

This is not a thoughtful analysis. You have already come to a conclusion.

Why? I don't know.

It doesn't make sense.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Sorry, ace, but the real difference between the investigation into Trump and the investigation into Nixon was that Nixon was guilty as sin of what he was accused of doing, and there was plenty of evidence available to hang him out to dry.

There simply isn't any evidence out there that Trump has committed any crimes, much to the chagrin of his critics.

anonymous said...

Mueller and a Blue House Could Bring Down Trump

We can always fantasize Lil Scotty....like you hoping to lock her up based on your opinion of crimes....LOLOLOLOLOL Things are about to bust loose.....Corsi the fraud will be the next one to plead guilty of lying soon to be followed by junior.....a beautiful thing!!!!

anonymous said...


No matter how much credibility the witnesses have, you will not believe them

Truer words have never been spoken Roger.....the only one they believe is trump since he has a big fat and old white ass they worship.....LOL

Commonsense said...

This is not a thoughtful analysis. You have already come to a conclusion.

A thoughtful analysis usually ends with a conclusion. Otherwise what would the point of the analysis.

The problem is coming to a conclusion without any thought whatsoever.

As you are so prone to do.

Commonsense said...

The latest media darling sure to be the silver bullet against Trump is a conspiracy theroist and birther.

Yeah, you go for it.

anonymous said...

The problem is coming to a conclusion without any thought whatsoever.

Like you and GW?????

Commonsense said...

What Roger doesn't tell you is that none of them is charged or convicted of a crime Mueller is suppose to be investigating.

History will not treat Robert Mueller kindly. He may be known as the prosecuted who put the final nail in the coffin of the special council law.

Commonsense said...

Like you and GW?????

Oh I thought about it a lot and I've come to the conclusion that data was artificially altered to fit an theory and that the entire science of climatology is tainted by the promotion of a political agenda.

C.H. Truth said...

32 People indicted
6 Guilty pleas
1 convention
4 jailed or imprisoned
3 sentences



And not a single one having anything to do with collusion between the Russians and the Trump administration.

He could indict 3000 people for other crimes having nothing to do with collusion, and will not impress anyone other than those suffering from TDS.

Bottom Line Rog:

If Mueller does not find any collusion between the Russians and the Trump administration, then it will be called (rightfully so) a failure by most everyone.

And the President will be shouting the loudest from his bully pulpit.

Commonsense said...

Yeah off-topic.

The Gators made the girl's school cry today. Chomp Chomp.

anonymous said...


And not a single one having anything to do with collusion between the Russians and the Trump administration.

And what is your point Lil Scotty? Mueller aint done yet and I bet both barrels are loaded for the grand finale....You are just whistling past t he grave yard with wishful thinking...LOLOLOL!!!

caliphate4vr said...

DAWGS

Bring on Bama

Commonsense said...

He made the point quite self-evident.

It's only your willfull stupidity that blinds you.

You really are awful at this trolling business.

Commonsense said...

That was directed at Dennis

Commonsense said...

Bring on Bama

Looks like it.

anonymous said...


Blogger Commonsense said...
That was directed at Dennis

That's your big comeback after having another post shoved up you old white fat ass???? LOLOL

Commonsense said...

Still bitter Stacy Abrems lost aren't you?

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

UPDATED: Corporations asking Cindy Hyde-Smith to refund their contributions

Union Pacific

Boston Scientific

Walmart

Leidos

AT&T

Pfizer

Amgen

These are unprecedented actions against a sitting United States Senator.

https://t.co/GONfjlpDY6

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

We don't know how much Muller has against the President. We can both make assumptions based upon what we have been able to assuming that he doesn't have anything on the campaign and administration. But I am not going to make that assumption. Based upon the list

32 People indicted
6 Guilty pleas
1 convention
4 jailed or imprisoned
3 sentences

None of them have anything on the administration. But since Muller has been running a very tight ship it takes a leap of logic to believe that he doesn't have shit. I don't know what he has. You believe that he has nothing. To believe that he doesn't have anything is Trumpism.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Some of them have something to do with the campaign. This is where the collusion occurred if or when it happened.

32 People indicted
6 Guilty pleas
1 convention
4 jailed or imprisoned
3 sentences

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The Liar In Chief is at it again.

A federal judge blocked President Trump’s proclamation that banned migrants from applying for asylum anywhere but a port of entry.
The temporary restraining order means the Trump administration must resume accepting asylum claims from migrants, no matter where or how they entered the U.S., at least until the case is decided.
Mr. Trump’s order was part of his effort to clamp down on immigration, especially a caravan of migrants gathering at border cities. The president has sent active-duty soldiers to the border — though his defense secretary has kept their role limited — and in Tijuana, Mexico, above, many migrants are wrestling with whether to settle or move on.
Leaders of the incoming Mexican government are in talks with American officials to allow migrants applying for asylum in the U.S. to remain in Mexico while they await a decision. On Saturday, Mr. Trump suggested on Twitter that it was as good as a done deal, but Mexican officials say no agreement has been reached, and any such plan could face immediate legal challenges.

The New York times daily mail reported to my email.

Anonymous said...

Roger so angry. You are winning. Cheer up.

C.H. Truth said...

Some of them have something to do with the campaign. This is where the collusion occurred if or when it happened.

You understand what collusion means, right?

Anonymous said...

He does not!
So old and so under informed.

Anonymous said...



You understand what collusion means, right?

he's so blinded by his searing seething rage and stage IV TDS he doesn't understand anything.

if mueller had anything on trump it would have been leaked by now and trump would be under indictment by now.

the alky and the rest of the left need to come to grips with the fact that they ran the worst fucking presidential candidate in the history of the known universe and that's why they lost. period.

and that not accepting the results of an election is a threat to our democracy or something. a feckless and bitter old cunt told us so.



Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Devastating

Alan Dershowitz, a frequent defender of President Donald Trump, said special counsel Robert Mueller’s report will be “devastating” for the president.

The Harvard Law professor emeritus told ABC News Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos that he believes the president will have to navigate the political impact of a potentially damning final report from the special counsel.


“I think the report is going to be devastating to the president and I know that the president's team is already working on a response to the report,” Dershowitz said on "This Week" Sunday.

Dershowitz added that he believes the report, although it will have a strong political impact, is unlikely to result in criminal charges.

“When I say devastating, I mean it's going to paint a picture that's going to be politically very devastating. I still don't think it's going to make a criminal case,” Dershowitz said.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Cooperation with the Russians in the attempt to influence the results of the election.

Your double digit IQ is evident.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I feel sorry for the cunt dumb enough to marry you.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Trump has to get over that he lost the popular vote by 3 million votes. He is in Mississippi supporting a racist candidate just like he did in Georgia.

His candidate will probably win but even some Republicans are very nervous about having her represent the party in 2020. If the minority voters are motivated by Trump and her lynching lover Senator.