Konstantin Kilimnik is a Ukranian/Russian political consultant who by all accounts has been implicated in the same crimes that Manafort was convicted of.
However, the NY Times is implying (without even any of their normal unidentified sources) that kilimnik is actually a Russian intelligence agent and of course Mueller's interest in Manafort's conversations with him have to do with collusion.
The fact is that Manafort was charged with two fundamental crimes. One was regarding his involvement with his political consulting. The other was witness tampering. Does it make any sense that Mueller's interest in Kilimnik would have to do with the 2016 election, when he clearly was involved with the crime(s) we know Manafort was accused of?
Occam's Razor.
If Manafort was having conversations regarding the 2016 elections with Russian agents, then he would be on the legal hook for that behavior. You wouldn't use a convicted liar who is not being charged with anything having to do with the 2016 election as a witness to election conspiracy charges.
But no amount of common sense would stop the media to making these types of implications.
UPDATE:
Here is the "actual" memo from special counsel. You will see two paragraphs regarding Kilimnik. Part one was Manafort's lack of candor on how many times he had contact to Kilimnik. Part two was in regards to Kilimnik's part in reaching out to potential witnesses in the Manafort's criminal obstruction charges.
There is literally no mention of the 2016 election, Trump, or anything "other" that specifically what we already know. Occam's Razor.
Read for yourself:
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Trump Officials Repeatedly Connected with Russians
Mike Allen: “The flashing siren in the ‘known knowns’ of the Russia probe is how often people close to Vladimir Putin approached people close to Donald J. Trump — and how often they gladly connected. And then lied about it.”
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Latest Filings Suggest Mueller Has Trump on Collusion
“For nearly two years, since the U.S. intelligence community released its report on the Russian campaign to assist Donald Trump in the 2016 election, the American people have been seeking an answer as to whether the Trump campaign colluded with its Russian counterpart. In the endless speculation about the direction of the investigation, a common view was that maybe the investigation would never implicate President Trump or find any collusion,” the Daily Beast reports.
“But a flurry of recent activity this past week all points in the same direction: Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation will likely implicate the president, his campaign, and his close associates in aiding and abetting a Russian conspiracy against the United States to undermine the 2016 election.”
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Nobody Can Save Trump Now
Paul Waldman: “One of the remarkable things about the discussion we’ve been having lately is that the president still seems to think that he can be saved from whatever this investigation uncovers. He just announced that William Barr will be his next attorney general, and the New York Times reported that in private, ‘Mr. Trump has also repeatedly asked whether the next pick would recuse himself from overseeing the special counsel investigation into whether his campaign conspired with Russia in its interference in the 2016 election.’ It’s as though he thinks this investigation is in its early stages and can be quashed by a properly loyal underling.
“But at this point it doesn’t matter. It’s far too late. Trump’s former aides have cooperated, they’ve conducted their interviews with the special counsel, they’re being sentenced, the documents have been reviewed, the connections have been traced, and the full picture is soon to be revealed.
“This scandal can’t be hidden away. Republicans in Congress can’t save Trump, his attorney general can’t save him, and no amount of desperate tweets can save him. Accountability is on its way, and it’s arriving very soon.”
According to the brief, Manafort lied about his communications with the reputed Russian intelligence agent Konstantin Kilimnik, whom Mueller has scrutinized as a possible conduit between the Trump campaign and the Russian government. Although Mueller’s brief is heavily redacted, it’s clear that Manafort minimized the frequency, duration, and subject of his meetings with Kilimnik. Mueller has emails contradicting Manafort’s description of those meetings, which—we can infer from the unredacted snippets—related to the Trump campaign’s interactions with Russian interests. Mueller also asserts that Manafort lied about some of the payments he received and about an investigation in another district—possibly, based on the context, the Southern District of New York investigation of Michael Cohen and the president. Finally, and of great concern to the White House, Mueller claims that Manafort lied about his contacts with the Trump administration before his guilty plea, and that text messages, documents, and witnesses prove that he was in contact with administration officials.
They call it TREASON.
They call it COLLUSION.
brief No. 3: Special Counsel Mueller’s separate sentencing brief in Cohen’s lying-to-Congress case. He does not recommend a sentence but informs the court about the nature of Cohen’s assistance to his office. Mueller discloses that Cohen has “taken significant steps to mitigate his criminal conduct” by pleading guilty to lying to Congress and meeting with the special counsel seven times to discuss his own conduct and other “core topics under investigation.” That includes information about multiple cases of contact between other Trump-campaign officials and the Russian government, and about Cohen’s contact with the White House in 2017 and 2018, suggesting an ongoing inquiry into obstruction of justice. Most significant, the special counsel indicates that Cohen “described the circumstances of preparing and circulating his response to the congressional inquiries, while continuing to accept responsibility for the false statements within it.” That statement suggests that the special counsel believes that someone in the Trump administration knew of, and approved in advance.
He's not done yet Scott.
He worked in coordination with the President if they can provide sufficient evidence.
Help from Russia in the form of hacking and propaganda, paired with offers of hugely lucrative business deals to Trump and repeated offers of political support. All the while candidate Trump supported Russia’s international agenda, repeatedly denied any Russian role in hacking his political opponents and pressed for an end of sanctions, which was Russia’s central foreign policy ambition.
Josh Marshall
heads up!
alky-lanche!!!11!
But no amount of common sense will ever change your mind.
as soon as you or one of your thousand of copy/paste sources display some, we're all ears alky.
btw, here's a link to the ny times story.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/07/us/politics/manafort-special-counsel-lies.html
there's nothing tying manafort of kilimnik to trump.
so yes, the ny times is peddling innuendo. let's see if mueller is stupid enough to fall for it.
the money quote that has the entire left ejaculating:
Mr. Manafort and Mr. Kilimnik remained in touch even after their business in Ukraine came to an end. After Mr. Manafort joined the Trump campaign in March 2016, the two men traded emails discussing how to use Mr. Manafort’s position for financial gain. Mr. Kilimnik also traveled to the United States to meet with Mr. Manafort.
This year, prosecutors have claimed, Mr. Manafort and Mr. Kilimnik teamed up to try to persuade two witnesses to lie about the scope of the Ukraine work in order to protect Mr. Manafort. Both men were charged with conspiracy to obstruct justice, one of the felonies to which Mr. Manafort pleaded guilty in September.
what's missing alky? oh yeah. actual ties to trump.
now i know where this ny times bullshit came from. i almost missed this:
Maggie Haberman contributed reporting from New York.
whenever that feckless cunt* is involved, the lies are aplenty.
*h/t - samantha bee
You have collusion delusion.
You are claiming that reputed Russian intelligence agent Konstantin Kilimnik was not an intelligence agent. Because it was stated by the Fake News New York Times. It's just incredible because you hate liberals.
feckless cunt*
Beaners and Olinsky and chinks
You are claiming that reputed Russian intelligence agent Konstantin Kilimnik was not an intelligence agent.
reading comprehension,alky. get some.
"Prosecutors have previously accused the Russian they say Mr. Manafort was in touch with, Konstantin V. Kilimnik, of ties to Russian intelligence."
it's the prosecutors who are claiming that he IS, alky. so the burden of proof is on them to prove it. especially since the ny times would have us believe it's crucial to their case.
now then, because of this:
"A Russian citizen, Mr. Kilimnik now lives in Moscow. Because Russia does not typically extradite its citizens, he is not expected to ever face trial in the United States."
...the prosecutor's job just became exponentially harder.
get your shit together alky. and thanks for proving once again, that without the ability to copy/paste, you are fucking worthless to this blog.
hey alky,
here's the article where the ny times and mueller REALLY bend over backwards to tie kilimnik to russian intelligence. have fun.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/06/world/europe/robert-mueller-kilimnik-ukraine-russia-manafort.html?module=inline
oh and be careful. popadop just got sprung from the big house yesterday. can you believe that madman is on the loose? lock your doors and windows, and maybe have mail order put on that halloween costume you shared a picture of a while back on the hospice blog.
that will scare the shit out of the little bastard.
Beaners and Olinsky and chinks
OH MY!
LOL.
Hey Rog!
I posted the actual memo.
Please take the three hours it will be necessary for you to read this on your own at your 2nd grade reading level.
You will see that Manafort is accused of two things regarding Kilimnik. One was in regards to contacts he had with Kilimnik. The other is the fact that he denied that Kilimnik helped Manafort reach out to potential witnesses in Manafort's criminal charge of Obstruction.
Anything is possible as to what the redacted information is in regards to. But there is literally no evidence, no sources suggesting, or any real good reason to believe that suddenly (after all this time) that Manafort (or Kilimnik) has actual ties to the Russians 2016 election meddling.
If that were the case, then Manafort (and Kilimnik) would be facing those charges.
Anything is possible as to what the redacted information
Especially the part that trump is guilty as sin....your opining that there is no evidence is only exceeded by your thinking trump is going to get away Lil Scotty free....lOLOLOL.....It ain't over until Mueller says it is.....and me thinks it will be damning and your bullshit rationale is just that...bullshit..
Anything is possible with mueller still hiding his hand, Lil Scotty.....he's got the goods and will soon call trump on his bullshit and there is nothing your hyperbolic crap can do other than acquiesce and admit you have been trolled by our showman in chief.....
Mueller flashes some cards in Russia probe, but hides his hand
A flurry of court filings shows just how deeply the investigations surrounding President Trump have gone, but the special counsel is still waiting to reveal his conclusions about possible conspiracy.
WASHINGTON — A 55-page flurry of court filings shows just how deeply the investigations surrounding President Donald Trump have gone, scrutinizing secret Russian contacts, hush money meetings and a tangle of lies designed to conceal those activities.
But for all the cards special counsel Robert Mueller played Friday, it’s still not clear what else he holds, or when he will put them on the table.
“The recent court filings by Mueller’s team are more revealing by what they did not include than by what they did,” said Robert Mintz, a former federal prosecutor now in private practice.
On Saturday morning, Trump again seized on the lack of public conclusions about his conduct to declare his innocence.
“NO COLLUSION!” he tweeted. “Time for the Witch Hunt to END!”
Mueller’s continued silence on the big question that he still must answer — whether any Trump associates conspired with the Kremlin to interfere in the 2016 election — does not mean Trump and those who were around him are in the clear.
“Like any skilled prosecutor, Mueller is playing out his hand very strategically, showing only those cards that he needs to reveal to take the investigation to the next step,” Mintz said.
While Mueller has repeatedly encountered lying witnesses — Trump’s former lawyer Michael Cohen, Trump’s former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, Trump’s former national security adviser Michael Flynn and former campaign adviser George Papadopoulos — the court cases of those defendants keep pointing to an underlying strength of the special counsel’s investigation: the ability to get incriminating emails, documents and bank records.
trump stole the election" dOpie
Anything is possible with mueller still hiding his hand,
Including the possibility that all he has is a pare of duces.
"l he has is a pare of duces."
Menstral our cramp shows his hand with this gem!!!!! Dumb as a rock is perfect adjective for you!!!!!
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