The media is asking the wrong question about the Michael Flynn case. They are asking whether Flynn lied or the FBI acted improperly, as if the answers to those two questions are mutually exclusive. The possibility that both are true, in that Flynn did not tell the truth and that the FBI acted improperly, is not considered in our hyper partisan world where everyone, including the media, chooses a side and refuses to consider the chance that their side is not perfectly right and the other side not perfectly evil.
This is one of the clever tricks that cognitive dissonance and bias confirmation uses to trick someone's brain into not thinking. It's also a fairly simple and overused logical fallacy called false dilemma. False dilemma demands that there are only a limited number of answers to a question (usually just two - either/or), when in fact there may be many reasonable answers.
In this case, Dershowitz points out that Trump haters are choosing to ignore the allegations that the FBI might have acted improperly, and instead attempting to shift all the focus on the actions of Flynn. The cognitive dissonance in this case allows the hater to believe that what the FBI did must either not matter or be appropriate, as long as they can fall back on the concept that Flynn lied.
Even the Special Counsel responses to the Judges order seems like a blatant attempt to deflect any allegations against them, by demanding (even if they didn't follow procedure) that Flynn should have known better anyways. It's an obvious cop out.
Reality is exactly what Dershowitz points out.
- It's likely that the FBI acted improperly and possibly violated Flynn's constitutional rights.
- It's likely that Flynn did not tell the truth, knew he was not telling the truth, and understood there were possible consequences.
The problem here is whether or not a Judge decides to overlook one over the other, or takes both into account. He could, in theory, ignore that the FBI acted improperly and take a hard stance against Flynn. He could, in theory, decide to concentrate on the FBI behavior, and decide to drop charges against Flynn in response. He could, also, in theory decide to hold the FBI accountable with some sort of rebuke and still hold Flynn accountable for his behavior.
But the lazy belief that you can justify or effectively argue away any FBI improper action by simply repeating the allegations against Flynn is not a reasonable argument to make. It's a simple example of cognitive dissonance and bias confirmation hard at work.
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WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT THE FLYNN CASE OTHER THAN HE PLED GUILTY TO LYING!!!!! END OF STORY!!!! Unless someone is desperately trying to change the narrative.,....like Lil Scotty... the only group having trouble understanding that simple truism are idiots like you CH.....It's all over but the time in custody.....Probably acted illegally is speculation unfounded in fact only opinion....asshole..
Latest news is that the National Enquirer gave trump the equivalent of 3 million bucks a month of positive coverage and Hillary fake news......another potential investigation for donnie.....LOLOLOLOLOL
This is all true. However the FBI used methods of questionable motive and legality to put Flynn in a position to lie to them in the first place.
If the FBI followed proper procedure there then wouldn't have been an interview.
And thus no crime would have been produced. This skirts on entrapment. And if we had the original 302's I'm pretty sure there would be enough exculpatory information in it to say Flynn should have never been charged to begin with.
Latest news is that the National Enquirer gave trump the equivalent of 3 million bucks a month of positive coverage and Hillary fake news.
In kind contributions? If you go that route you would have to charge CNN, NBC, MSNBC, and ABC with campaign finance violations. You would be actually making Trump's point for him.[
As a famous person once said the are known knowns and unknown unknowns.
Of course we have a known unknown.
Who thinks he knows.
And proves otherwise constantly.
How much does the FAKE NEWS contribute in press coverage? Dwarfs anything the National Enquirer may have. And if you can't figure out why Flynn is still being discussed you really should be spending a lot more time trying to get educated rather than commenting.
And with his writing style he proves he needs lots of education.
ROFLMFAO !!!
Commonsense said...
Latest news is that the National Enquirer gave trump the equivalent of 3 million bucks a month of positive coverage and Hillary fake news.
In kind contributions? If you go that route you would have to charge CNN, NBC, MSNBC, and ABC with campaign finance violations. You would be actually making Trump's point for him.
I think Trumps SNL point about needing to look into flew over the head of many light-weight liberals who though he was talking about censorship, when he was talking about them being a political arm of the democrats, and should regulated the same as other political groups.
If you go that route you would have to charge CNN
Not even close.....the MSM covered both with equal disdain...the National Enq headlines of hillary having 30 days to live or other abhorrent headlines had no equivalent even on faux news....sorry cramps... you have no argument as usual ....
I think Trumps SNL point about needing to look
Needing to look into what little intellect you show.....it is a comedy show and trump don't like it because it hits him right in his fat gut.....LOLOLOLOL So sad he trolled you again with BS!!!! Too funny....
....the MSM covered both with equal disdain
Really? You beclown yourself.
Talking about hitting the nail on the head, Comey does exactly that on this powerful, powerful video. Again and again.
To the shame of Republicans. To their everlasting shame...
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/12/17/comey-blasts-trump-gop-after-meeting-with-house-lawmakers/23620817/
I'm old enough to remember when both political parties strived to solve problems. While they often had countering views on how to get there, they would have never baselessly supported a mob boss who rejected U.S. intel in order to benefit a foreign adversary.
It's not too late!
Unreality is exactly what Dershowitz points claimed without proof.
It's likely that the FBI acted improperly and possibly violated Flynn's constitutional rights.
This is a prime example of Trumpism. The President can do no wrong. Any time he is under investigation he lashed out at his base, Ie CHT who falls in line.
Marlon Brando should rise up and play him in The Trumpfather.
He's the best con artist who ever held the White Supremacist House.
Julie Kelly
Kislyak visited Obama’s White House more than 3 dozen times in 8 years. The last time, according to records, was in September 2016.
In 2011, he hosted a lavish dinner for 50 top officials in Obama adm.
So why did he call FLYNN the day the sanctions were announced by Obama?
Sure sounds like a person used as a pretext to initiate surveillance on Trump, kind of like an insurance policy. And not the only one.
Biggest political scandal ever, Obama will go down in history as responsible for the most corrupt administration ever.
And some continue to be blind. got any Russian collusion yet, besides Hillary?
Brian Cates
Mueller Special Counsel team tried to HIDE the original FD-302 made by Pientka shourtly after Jan 24 2017 by filing it under seal. Sullivan read it and said nuh-UH. You can leave redacted what you redacted, but you gotta file it on the PUBLIC docket right now this minute.
Gee, just what I posted here earlier and lo iq commie ridiculed.
Can't fix lo iq.
The pure vs of 2nd Generation Alky
"I'm old enough to remember when both political parties strived to solve problems. "
Roger is all bullshit no cattle.
British ex-spy Christopher Steele, who wrote the Democrat-financed anti-Trump dossier, said in a court case that he was hired by a Democratic law firm in preparation for Hillary Clinton challenging the results of the 2016 presidential election.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/dec/12/christopher-steele-hillary-clinton-was-preparing-t/
So Hillary prepared to challenge election, colluded with foreigners... looks like everything she charged Trump with she actually did.
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/12/17/comey-blasts-trump-gop-after-meeting-with-house-lawmakers/23620817/
This is the complete session Comey had with the press.
A good and decent man stands up for what is right -- something fewer and fewer Republicans will do these days.
Comey is being investigated by the IG and if he is held to same standard as Flynn he will be going to the big house. That's why he can't remember so many things but his ego has put too many lies into the public record
Desperate Dems are trying to prop him up.
Comedy in orange.
The USSC has ruled law enforcement can lie to suspects.
Frazier v. Cupp, 394 U.S. 731 (1969), was a United States Supreme Court case that affirmed the legality of deceptive interrogation tactics ..."
302
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5633260/12-17-18-Redacted-Flynn-Interview-302.pdf
Special counsel Robert Mueller on Monday night released a memo detailing then-national security adviser Michael Flynn's interview with FBI agents, in which Flynn repeatedly lied about his contacts with former Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak.
The memo, known as an FD-302, was released at the request of the federal judge overseeing Flynn's case in Washington, D.C., on the eve of Flynn's sentencing Tuesday morning.
It details Flynn's Jan. 24, 2017 interview with FBI agents about his contacts with Kislyak and shows that the agents repeatedly questioned him on whether he discussed sanctions with Russia during the conversations.
He repeatedly denied having any discussions with Kislyak about sanctions on Russia as a result of Moscow's efforts to interview in the 2016 presidential election.
Flynn ultimately resigned as President Trump's national security adviser in February 2017 over revelations that he misled Vice President Pence and other administration officials about his talks with Kislyak regarding sanctions.
Months later, Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to FBI agents in the interview and agreed to cooperate in Mueller's sprawling probe into Russian interference in the election. In addition to admitting he told lies when denying his conversations on sanctions with Kislyak, Flynn has also admitted to lying when he told the FBI he did not asked Kislyak to delay or defeat a vote on a pending U.N. Security Council resolution regarding Israel.
The memo released Monday, which is heavily redacted, offers new insight into the interview from the early months of the counterintelligence investigation into Russian interference.
It states that the FBI agents asked Flynn whether he remembered any interaction with Kislyak "surrounding the expulsion of Russian diplomats or closing of Russian properties in response to Russian hacking activities surrounding the election." Flynn denied it, claiming that he was unaware of the planned sanctions during a call with Kislyak in late December 2016 because he was on vacation with his wife in the Dominican Republic.
It was on Dec. 29, 2016, that Flynn has since admitted he asked Kislyak to "refrain from escalating the situation" in response to the sanctions imposed that day, according to court filings unsealed when Flynn ultimately pleaded guilty last December. Flynn also admitted to discussing his calls with Kislyak with other unnamed members of the presidential transition team.
Flynn also at one point told the agents interviewing him that "it was possible that he talked to Kislyak on the issue, but if he did, he did not remember doing so," according to the memo.
Flynn's calls with Kislyak are said to have been picked up by U.S. officials as a result of routine intelligence operations against Russian officials.
At one point during the interview, the agents asked Flynn if he discussed a U.N. vote regarding Israeli settlements with Kislyak, and he responded "Yes, good reminder."
Flynn went on to explain that he called officials in several countries on Dec. 22, 2016, including Israel, the United Kingdom, and possibly Russia, but claimed he did so only to understand where they stood on the resolution.
When pressed on whether he asked Kislyak to vote one way or another, Flynn replied that he did not and "stated his calls were about asking where countries would stand on a vote, not any requests of, 'hey, if you do this.'"
Lies and lies
The list of investigations against Trump.
Here’s a complete rundown of the various known investigations targeting Trump’s world from local, state, and federal prosecutors:
Investigations by the Special Counsel
1. The Russian Government’s Election Attack: The special counsel moved aggressively to outline and charge the Russian government’s core attack on the 2016 election, which included both active cyber intrusions and data theft by the military intelligence unit GRU and the GRU’s attempted attacks on the US voting system, as well as online information influence operations by the Internet Research Agency, known by the moniker “Project Lakhta.” Numerous threads from this investigation remain unseen—including a possible cooperator inside the Internet Research Agency, Putin’s own involvement, whether any Americans contributed knowingly to the attack, the role of the FSB’s “Cozy Bear” hackers, and whether or how Russia’s expensive and multipronged attack coordinated with contacts between Russian nationals and the Trump campaign over the course of 2016, including the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting. Mueller has also reportedly been investigating the role of late GOP activist Peter Smith, who had apparently tried to locate stolen emails and make contact with Russian hackers. It’s also unclear what has sparked Mueller’s apparent continued interest in Trump’s campaign tech firm, Cambridge Analytica.
Status: 12 Russian military intelligence officers from the GRU indicted, 13 people indicted from the Internet Research Agency, alongside three Russian companies, and a guilty plea from one California man who unwittingly aided their identity theft. Manafort aide Sam Patten is cooperating with investigators.
2. WikiLeaks: Whether WikiLeaks’ publishing of the emails stolen by Russian hackers connects from Moscow to Trump Tower itself remains an open question. But a leaked aborted plea agreement from conspiracy theorist Jerome Corsi makes clear that Trump associates had at least some advance knowledge of what WikiLeaks was planning to publish. How any of that may connect with looming charges facing WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and another apparently abandoned deal for him to leave the Ecuador embassy in London is also unclear.
Status: Both Trump aide Roger Stone and Corsi have said they expect to be indicted. Unclear if looming charges against Assange relate to Mueller investigation.
3. Middle Eastern Influence: Potentially the biggest unseen aspect of Mueller’s investigation is his year-long pursuit of Middle Eastern influence targeting the Trump campaign, which the Daily Beast reported last week might become public sometime early next year. As the Daily Beast wrote, “The ‘Russia investigation’ is set to go global.” The investigation appears to center on the role of the UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Israel, which were eager to help the campaign and, in some cases, have business ties to Trump or presidential son-in-law Jared Kushner. Kushner specifically appears to have been a key focus of these foreign efforts: The New Yorker and other news outlets have carefully traced how China, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia targeted the White House senior adviser.
Status: No public court activity yet, but two key figures are known to be cooperating: Middle East would-be power broker George Nader and Blackwater mercenary group founder Erik Prince.
4. Paul Manafort’s Activity: What began over a year ago with a sweeping money laundering indictment targeting Trump’s one-time campaign chair—and resulted in his conviction on eight felonies at trial before he accepted a plea agreement on other charges—continues to unfold. In court documents, Mueller has made clear that he’s investigating Manafort associate Konstantin Kilimnik, a Ukrainian tied to Russian intelligence. He may also have interest in Kilimnik’s interactions with another Trump associate, real estate investor Tom Barrack, who has also been interviewed by investigators.
Status: Manafort’s been both convicted at trial and accepted a plea agreement; lawyer Alex van der Zwaan pleaded guilty to lying to investigators about the Ukrainian work; Manafort associate Sam Patten has pleaded guilty to failing to register as a foreign agent; Kilimnik has been indicted for obstruction of justice. Known cooperators include Trump deputy campaign chair and Manafort business partner Rick Gates, who has also pleaded guilty to his own role in the money laundering scheme.
5. The Trump Tower Moscow Project: Just days before Cohen was sentenced to three years in federal prison for the eight felonies he pleaded guilty to in August, Mueller surprised everyone with a ninth charge. Cohen admitted that he lied to Congress about the status of the Trump Organization’s pursuit of a Trump Tower Moscow, a proposed project that extended longer into the campaign and proceeded into more serious conversations than previously admitted. The special counsel also noted how the project would be worth “hundreds of millions” of dollars, far more than a normal Trump licensing deal, leading to questions about why it would have been so lucrative. The case also connects the Trump Organization’s business deals, and the campaign, directly to the office of Russian president Vladimir Putin, whose government was at the time busily engaged in the attack on the US election. Moreover, according to statements by congressional investigators and documents released from Congress’s own Russia investigation, other figures, including Donald Trump Jr., may face legal exposure about their own testimony on the Trump Tower Moscow project.
Status: Cohen has pleaded guilty to lying to Congress about the status of the project and is cooperating with investigators.
6. Other Campaign and Transition Contacts With Russia: As journalists have pieced together, at least 14 Trump associates had contact with Russia during the campaign and transition, from foreign policy aide Carter Page to would-be attorney general Jeff Sessions. Questions continue to surround many of those contacts, not least of all the Trump Tower meeting in June 2016 that included Trump Jr., Kushner, and Manafort, and which involved hints that the meeting was only “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump,” as the email setting up the meeting first promised.
Status: Both national security adviser Michael Flynn and foreign policy aide George Papadopoulos have pleaded guilty to charges related to their campaign and transition contacts with Russia. Cohen and Flynn have both provided extensive cooperation to Mueller about the campaign and transition contacts.
7. Obstruction of Justice: Robert Mueller’s appointment stemmed from Trump’s decision to fire FBI director James Comey and fears that the firing was an attempt to obstruct the initial stages of the Russia investigation. But recent court documents hint that Mueller might be assembling a broader obstruction-of-justice case against Trump, one that could potentially argue that the president’s public statements intentionally misled the public in an attempt to limit the scope of the Russia investigation. Even if Mueller decides there’s enough evidence to bring a case here, it seems more likely to get passed along to Congress for consideration of impeachment rather than prosecuted in court.
Status: No public movement yet, but court documents point to the fact that at least Manafort and Cohen have provided evidence useful to this case about their own contacts in 2017 and 2018 with the White House.
Investigations by the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York
8. Campaign Conspiracy and the Trump Organization’s Finances: Despite the myriad cases unfolding from the special counsel, the White House’s most immediate legal jeopardy increasingly appears to stem from federal prosecutors in New York digging into Trump’s alleged financial shenanigans. Perhaps the biggest political bombshell amid the last three weeks has been the new revelations around Michael Cohen, “Individual 1” (as court documents have identified Trump), and the hush money payments to cover up extramarital affairs in the final weeks of the 2016 election. Prosecutors have written that Donald Trump himself directed the payments—an indication that they have solid documentary evidence that hasn’t become public yet—and have apparently lined up nearly every other participant in the scheme as a cooperator.
Status: Cohen has already pleaded guilty, and National Enquirer’s David Pecker, its parent company AMI, Cohen, and Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg are all cooperating with investigators.
9. Inauguration Funding: Late last week, The Wall Street Journal broke word that prosecutors were digging into the record $107 million raised and spent by the Trump inauguration committee, potentially with concerns about where that money came from and where it went, based in part on documents and evidence seized during the Michael Cohen investigation. Journalists have long raised questions about where the inauguration money went, and the FBI expressed concern about the Russian elites who appeared at the event. We already know that at least some shady money was involved: Manafort associate Sam Patten’s plea agreement includes that he helped a Ukrainian businessman funnel $50,000 to the inauguration.
Status: No public court activity yet beyond Patten, but he is cooperating with investigators.
10. Trump SuperPAC Funding: Related to the news about the inauguration inquiries was word that prosecutors are digging into the funding of a Trump SuperPAC, Rebuilding America Now, where Paul Manafort also played a role.
Status: No public court activity yet, but Manafort aide Sam Patten is cooperating with investigators.
11. Foreign Lobbying: Robert Mueller also handed off information he uncovered during the Manafort money laundering probe to prosecutors in New York. According to news reports, he referred questions about at least a trio of other lobbyists—Tony Podesta, Vin Weber, and Greg Craig—and whether they allegedly failed to appropriately register as foreign agents for work related to Ukraine. Podesta abruptly closed his eponymous lobbying firm last year, and Mueller had previously been interested in the work done by Mercury LLC, Weber’s firm, as well as the law firm Skadden Arps, where Craig worked until earlier this year. Skadden Arps also employed the Dutch lawyer Alex van der Zwaan, who pleaded guilty to lying to investigators about his contacts with Rick Gates.
Status: Rick Gates is cooperating with investigators.
Investigations by the US Attorney for the District of Columbia
12. Maria Butina and the NRA: The guilty plea last week by Russian agent and gun-rights enthusiast Butina came with an extensive cooperation agreement, including the possibility of her meeting with investigators without lawyers present. While the most immediate next target of the investigation appears to be Butina’s boyfriend, Republican operative Paul Erickson—he was sent a so-called “target” letter by prosecutors recently—questions have also swirled about 2016 campaign funding by the National Rifle Association and the reach of Russia into the US conservative movement. Notably, Butina attended numerous conservative events—including the inauguration—and brought 11 Russians to the annual prayer breakfast, was photographed with numerous conservative leaders, and even asked candidate Trump a question at an event early in the campaign, giving him an opportunity to praise Russia.
Status: Maria Butina has pleaded guilty and is cooperating.
Investigations by the US Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia.
13. Elena Alekseevna Khusyaynova: The alleged chief accountant of the Internet Research Agency was indicted separately earlier this fall by prosecutors in northern Virginia and the Justice Department’s unit that handles counterintelligence and espionage cases, not by Mueller’s special counsel office. Khusyaynova was charged with activity that went above and beyond the 2016 campaign, including efforts to meddle in this year’s midterms. Why she was prosecuted separately remains a puzzle.
Status: Khusyaynova has been indicted.
14. Turkish Influence: According to court documents, Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn contributed to two investigations beyond the Russia probe. While both were redacted in his court case, there are strong hints, including reporting by The New York Times, that one of those two cases includes a grand jury in northern Virginia focused on illegal influence by the Turkish government. According to the Times, “Prosecutors are examining Mr. Flynn’s former business partners and clients who financed a campaign against Fethullah Gulen, a cleric living in Pennsylvania whom the Turkish government has accused of helping instigate a failed coup.” Flynn’s own sentencing documents allude to the fact that Flynn handed over voluminous records from his own businesses.
Status: Michael Flynn’s plea agreement includes some details of the case. Flynn is cooperating with investigators.
Investigations by New York City, New York State, & Other State Attorneys General
15. Tax Case: In the wake of a New York Times investigation that found Donald Trump had apparently benefited from upwards of $400 million in tax schemes, city officials said they were investigating Trump’s tax payments, as did the New York State Tax Department. Longtime lawyer and Trump fixer Cohen also reported in his own court filing that he met with investigators from the New York Attorney General’s Office, although the court filings didn’t explain what the investigation entailed.
Status: Unknown.
16. The Trump Foundation: The New York Attorney General sued the Trump Foundation this summer, charging it with, as The New York Times summarized, “sweeping violations of campaign finance laws, self-dealing and illegal coordination with the presidential campaign.” A judge just ruled last month that the lawsuit can proceed. Now the incoming attorney general has promised even more wide-ranging inquiries in the Trump business world.
Status: Case is proceeding, having cleared initial court tests.
17. Emoluments Lawsuit: The attorneys general for Maryland and DC sent out subpoenas earlier this month for Trump Organization and hotel financial records relating to their lawsuit alleging that the president is in breach of the so-called Emoluments Clause of the Constitution, which appears to prohibit the president from accepting payments from foreign powers while in office. The lawsuit’s discovery phase could push voluminous amounts of information into public view about how foreign governments have funneled business to Trump’s organization, like how the Saudi government evidently purchased more than 500 rooms at Trump’s hotel in DC in the months after the election.
https://www.wired.com/story/mueller-investigation-trump-russia-complete-guide/
He's a caged animal who has been tweeting obsessively.
Twenty over the weekend
The Wall Street Journal reports that Flynn was involved in working with the Turkish government in secret and lied about it when questioned.
Prosecutors Accuse Turkey of Covert Lobbying Campaign in U.S. https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-business-partners-of-former-trump-adviser-mike-flynn-indicted-11545060554
Scum
WASHINGTON ― President Donald Trump, clad in a golf shirt and golf hat under a warm South Florida sun, hitting a drive off the tee while Secret Service agents protecting him are forced to work without paychecks, possibly for weeks, because Congress wouldn’t pay for Trump’s “Great Wall.”
Such is the nightmare public relations scenario facing the White House less than a week before the Department of Homeland Security and other key government agencies run out of money at midnight Friday while Trump is scheduled to fly that day to his Mar-a-Lago resort for a 16-day vacation.
The U.S. Secret Service is among the half-dozen agencies in the quarter-million-employee DHS, which also includes the U.S. Coast Guard and the Transportation Security Administration. Other major agencies facing a shutdown include the departments of state, treasury and interior. Many of the affected employees would be deemed essential and be forced to work anyway. None would be paid during the shutdown and would have to get by on savings or short-term loans.
The people who keep the President safe are not getting paid to risk their lives.
The Flynn story is just a distraction and Scott just steps in line.
12 trolling Spans in a row.
2nd Generation Alky hits new low.
This is not US Justice System in MY American.
"Monday on MSNBC’s “Hardball,” host Chris Matthews predicted Department of Justice special counsel Robert Mueller might make a deal in which President Donald Trump resigns from office in return for Mueller forgoing prosecution of Donald Trump, Jr. and Ivanka Trump."
I think Air Force 1 is also grounded during the shutdown. Not that Trump can fly his own private plane but the two 747's used as Ait Force 1 are the only planes the secret service will allow him to fly.
She is a diva.
"I’m taking a few days to take care of myself before what is sure to be an eventful term,” the incoming New York congresswoman tweeted."
The memo, known as an FD-302, was released at the request of the federal judge overseeing Flynn's case in Washington, D.C., on the eve of Flynn's sentencing Tuesday morning.
and was written nearly seven months after the original set up, er, interview occurred.
nice to see dirty cop mueller finally got around to doing the fucking paperwork.
British ex-spy Christopher Steele, who wrote the Democrat-financed anti-Trump dossier, said in a court case that he was hired by a Democratic law firm in preparation for Hillary Clinton challenging the results of the 2016 presidential election.
He said the law firm Perkins Coie wanted to be in a position to contest the results based on evidence he unearthed on the Trump campaign conspiring with Moscow on election interference.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/dec/12/christopher-steele-hillary-clinton-was-preparing-t/
More fake information from our rat.....It was immediately drafted, but entered into the record later....typical for documents like that!!!!!
and was written nearly seven months after the original set up, er, interview occurred.
Just saying something many times does not make it true....LOLOLOLOL
On the night before the sentencing of President Donald Trump’s former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, a federal judge in Washington released an FBI document put together after Flynn was interviewed by FBI agents at the White House in early 2017, showing that Flynn lied to agents about his contacts with the Russian Ambassador during the Trump transition.
Known as a “302,” the redacted document was made public by Judge Emmet G. Sullivan, known as a stickler for forcing the federal government to reveal evidence in criminal cases.
“Having reviewed the government’s submissions, the Court finds that the January 24, 2017 FD-302, which was drafted immediately after Mr. Flynn’s FBI interview, is relevant to Mr. Flynn’s sentencing,” the judge wrote.
https://www.wftv.com/news/politics/fbi-302-shows-flynn-misled-fbi-agents-about-2016-russian-contacts/890457300
which was drafted immediately after Mr. Flynn’s FBI interview
heh. yeah, sure.
one thing we DO know for certain - dirty cop mccabe approved the final draft of the 302.
that's comforting.
it's becoming clear that the FBI really is nothing more than the nation's most powerful criminal enterprise, backed by the power of the state.
dirty cop macabre approved the final draft of the 302.
Which proves what other than you have nothing but a sick opinion???????
More significantly, though, Friday’s filing revealed a lot about the 302s involved in this case. The first thing we learned: The August 22, 2017 FD-302 Flynn cited in his sentencing memorandum is not a summary of the FBI’s January 24, 2017 interview of Flynn. Rather, it is a summary of the FBI’s interview with Strzok “to collect certain information regarding Strzok’s involvement in various aspects of what has become the Special Counsel’s investigation.” In fact, in its reply brief, the special counsel’s office made a point of stressing that Strzok was not interviewed “as part of the investigation of [Flynn] or any investigation of Strzok’s conduct.”
So, the 302 filed with the court consists of Strzok’s recollection of his interview of Flynn some seven months prior. Nonetheless, Strzok’s 302 adds texture to our understanding of the circumstances surrounding the initial interview. First, Strzok’s 302 confirms yet again the existence of an original 302 summarizing Flynn’s January interview. “Strzok conducted the interview and [the second FBI agent] was primarily responsible for taking notes and writing the FD-302,” Strzok’s 302 read. The 302 summary further noted that Flynn “did not parse his words or hesitate in any of his answers,” but that he hedged once, and “that was documented in the 302.”
http://thefederalist.com/2018/12/17/heres-whats-weird-robert-muellers-latest-michael-flynn-filing/
Hey rat, not to belabor the point.....flynn pled guilty to lying and the released interview 302's confirm that....also claiming he did not know lying to the fbi was bad is just beyond being believable having been a senior military man with expertise in intel....oh well
This whole thing depends upon one thing.
Did General Flynn know that when he was interviewed by the FBI, was he aware that if he lied, did he know that his lies were a crime?
1: The Director of National intelligence had to be aware that if he lied, that he was committing a crime.
2: His Miranda rights were not violated by the FBI.
Was it a formal criminal interview?
Oops the "missing emails" are no longer lost.
President Donald Trump on Tuesday leveled fresh allegations of wrongdoing at the FBI after the discovery of thousands of missing text messages from the phones of former bureau officials Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, claiming without evidence that the newly uncovered texts had been “illegally deleted” and calling the development the “biggest outrage yet” in the probe into Russian election interference.
A report from the Justice Department’s internal watchdog last week revealed that investigators had recovered about 19,000 text messages on the FBI-issued cellphones Strzok, a former counterintelligence agent, and Page, a former prosecutor, used while at the bureau and while working on special counsel Robert Mueller’s team.
“Biggest outrage yet in the long, winding and highly conflicted Mueller Witch Hunt is the fact that 19,000 demanded Text messages between Peter Strzok and his FBI lover, Lisa Page, were purposely & illegally deleted,” Trump wrote on Twitter. “Would have explained whole Hoax, which is now under protest!”
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/18/trump-fbi-missing-texts-peter-stzrok-lisa-page-1067918
flynn pled guilty to lying and the released interview 302's confirm that....
no shit. lying to the FBI can consist of not accurately remembering what you had for lunch yesterday.
what the FBI DID do was violate Woods Procedures with respect to the FISA. and comey himself admitted that the FBI gamed the system and fucked flynn by not being truthful with him as to the nature of their visit, especially by not advising him to have a lawyer present. and comey, being the piece of shit that he is, made a fucking joke about it.
in short, the FBI set up and manipulated flynn, destroying his life for what we now know was no good reason at all.
and here's a question for you -
what does mis-remembering a conversation about sanctions have to do with the election?
answer: nothing.
the FBI, in its infinite capacity for corruption, destroyed a hero and a patriot. all because some nasty feckless cunt lost an election.
it's just a bit ironic that every prominent individual involved in this crime - mueller, comey, mccabe, strzok, and page were all in the FBI and all represent in their own right a legitimate reason to disband and shut down the agency. it's a criminal organization backed by the power of the state.
it's become our modern Stasi - the official state security service of the Democrat Party. and it's motto - Schild und Schwert der Partei; (Shield and sword of the Party)
chilling.
and furthermore, if the FBI truly wanted to operate with the integrity that's falsely implied in their acronym, they'd have a recording of every 302 interview they conduct. but they don't. they send two corrupt scumbags to each interview - one to ask the questions and one to take the notes.
nice set up. the only record of the meeting has been established by a couple of corrupt hacks hell bent on unseating an duly elected president.
this is shit we read about happening in 3rd world shithole banana republics.
Stupidity on steroids.
the FBI, in its infinite capacity for corruption, destroyed a hero and a patriot. all because some nasty feckless cunt lost an election.
You are a racist and unbelievable stupid man.
A report from the Justice Department’s internal watchdog last week revealed that investigators had recovered about 19,000 text messages on the FBI-issued cellphones
old news, alky.
btw, wiping those phones was a criminal act. they were evidence. mueller knew this and wiped them anyway.
mueller's a corrupt piece of shit.
wow alky, you're a fucking genius. calling me a racist because i called a nasty old WHITE woman a feckless cunt.
brilliant.
stick to copy/pasting week old news. it's makes you look like an intellectual clod, but at least you aren't making the obvious errors.
In 2006 the FBI defended its no-electronic-recording policy in an internal memorandum, which The New York Times later made public. The memo in part attempts to defend the policy as logistically necessary, but given that virtually every cellphone today has sound recording capabilities, any “inconvenience” or “non-availability” excuse for not recording seems laughably weak. The more honest — and more terrifying — justification for non-recording given in the memo reads as follows: “. . . perfectly lawful and acceptable interviewing techniques do not always come across in recorded fashion to lay persons as proper means of obtaining information from defendants. Initial resistance may be interpreted as involuntariness and misleading a defendant as to the quality of the evidence against him may appear to be unfair deceit.” Translated from bureaucratese: When viewed in the light of day, recorded witness statements could appear to a reasonable jury of laypersons to have been coercively or misleadingly obtained.
But the FBI leaves out the even more potent criticism of its practice — that such interview tactics seem virtually geared toward establishing as fact what the FBI wanted to hear from the witness. Frightened and confused interviewees, who, if they deny they said what any 302 report claims they uttered, can then be indicted for making false statements. The FBI is thus able to put words into a witness or suspect’s mouth and coerce him to adopt the FBI’s version as his own. The FBI thus establishes the official version of what a witness said, and the pressure on the witness to adhere to the 302 version is enormous. Any deviation, after all, raises the question: “Were you lying during your FBI interview, or are you lying now?”
Unlike the federal government, many states understand that unrecorded testimony must be viewed with skepticism in a fair judicial process. In Massachusetts, the Supreme Judicial Court requires that a custodial interview be electronically recorded whenever possible. For unrecorded testimony to be admitted at trial, a judge must instruct the jury to be wary of police claims as to what the interviewee did and did not say.
The lesson: As long as the FBI relies solely on its agents’ uncorroborated reports of such interviews, it is difficult to credit the bureau’s version of what was and was not said. Presumably, much more is going to emerge concerning what Phillipos really told his interrogators, and nobody should arrive at any conclusions until all of the evidence, from both sides, has been made public. The FBI is not entitled to any presumption of credibility in these situations.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2013/05/10/beware-fbi-when-not-recording/yz55UX8WMKU080pN4aP68K/story.html
Tom Elliott
Here are 36 scandals Comey’s implicated in, but no, of course it’s not his fault the FBI’s reputation took a hit under this leadership
Won't list them individually like those with TDS but here's a link:
https://lists.grabien.com/list-fbi-scandals-under-comey?sortcolumn=1&sortdirection=asc
And he admits to illegally leaking to start his best friend Mueller's "investigation". What a scumbag, as both sides of the aisle have concluded at different times.
comey's a traitor, dirty cop, and piece of shit.
which means that the next democrat prez will give him the presidential medal of freedom.
spot on rrb, here's what someone SLN regularly tries to shame says:
Sarah Sanders
✔
@PressSec
Republicans should stand up to Comey and his tremendous corruption - from the fake Hillary Clinton investigation, to lying and leaking, to FISA abuse, and a list too long to name. The President did the country a service by firing him and exposing him for the shameless fraud he is
Republicans should stand up to Comey and his tremendous corruption
Like the trump foundation which has been forced to dissolve per agreement with NY AG....another trump criminal enterprise as the beached whale embarrasses the country again with BS!!!!
owardly king obama said...
Tom Elliott
BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! ANOTHER POS fake news sources trolling idiots like you to spread the BS like the russians....so sad and easily manipulated...!!!
New York Times
"After the election, Mr. Trump announced that he would dissolve the foundation to avoid any appearance of conflict of interest, a move the attorney general’s office said would require its approval, given the continuing investigation."
and now they have given their permission and they will dissolve under judicial supervision, though this has nothing to do with this thread lo iq
guess lo iq commie is being led by his nose by FAKE NEWS narratives, as usual.
What sentence did Flynn Get?
guess lo iq commie is being led by his nose by FAKE NEWS narratives, as usual.
And your quote is from June 14.....gee, a little dated asshole.....
And how is today's news fake....he's been on record saying he was going to it for years!!! Shocking you finally caught up to the old news!!! Idiot..... Under supervision because it is a known criminal enterprise funneling money illegally to trump and his business.....The only thing fake is your post, asshole Don't you have something to do like sucking on donnie's dick????.....LOLOLOLOL\
Trump agrees to shut down his charity amid allegations he used it for personal and political benefit
The agreement with the New York attorney general comes amid an ongoing lawsuit against the charity, President Trump and his three eldest children, who allegedly allowed “persistently illegal conduct” at the foundation
"After the election, Mr. Trump announced that he would dissolve the foundation to avoid any appearance of conflict of interest, a move the attorney general’s office said would require its approval, given the continuing investigation."
Exactly what happened. all your "allegations" just disappeared.
Keep stammering and sputtering like the lo iq you are, kind of worthless for me to try to educate someone with no ability to comprehend. And your disturbing affinity for sucking dicks in your posts is noted.
ROFLMFAO !!!
"also claiming he did not know lying to the fbi was bad" old goat
Wrong.
Noted.
"Greenspan says the party's over on Wall Street.
The former Federal Reserve chairman who famously warned more than two decades ago about "irrational exuberance" in the stock market doesn't see equity prices going any higher than they are now.
"It would be very surprising to see it sort of stabilize here, and then take off," Greenspan said in an interview with CNN anchor Julia Chatterley.
"
Exactly what happened. all your "allegations" just disappeared.
Not quite asshole...they are looking at a 25K contribution to the AG of floriduh..pam bondi, who by magic dropped their suit against trump university a week later....Isn't that neat coward you asshole... Such a douche, all the time...!!!
For those who think lying is a minor issue....LOLOLOOL
Flynn’s sentencing delayed; judge tells ex-Trump adviser, ‘Arguably, you sold your country out’
The judge said he could not guarantee he would spare Michael Flynn from prison — a stunning development as it had appeared that President Trump's former national security adviser would be able to avoid time behind bars for lying to the FBI.
"Greenspan says the party's over on Wall Street.
So much for the Trump boom.....back to 2017 and before levels....that tax cut is really driving the economy to new heights....LOLOLOL!!
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