Monday, December 17, 2018

Is covering up an affair any different than lying about a blowjob?

CNN Poll: Fewer support impeaching Trump
Americans break against that idea, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS. Half, 50%, say they don't feel that Trump ought to be impeached and removed from office, while 43% say he should be. Support for impeachment has dipped some since September, when 47% favored it, and is about the same as in a June poll (42% favored it then). Support for impeachment of Trump remains higher than it was for each of the last three presidents at any time it was asked. It's on par with President Richard Nixon, who 43% of Americans said should be impeached and removed from office in a March 1974 Harris poll.
The shift on impeachment comes mostly from political independents. In September, they were evenly split on the question, with 48% behind impeachment and 47% opposed. Now, 36% favor impeachment and 55% are opposed.
There's also been a meaningful shift on the question among younger adults (53% of those under age 45 backed impeachment in September, now that's down to 45%) and racial and ethnic minorities (66% favored it in September, 50% do now).

Trump haters who believed that they had found the smoking gun in the so called "unindicted co-conspirator" angle regarding the "campaign finance violations" are probably disappointed to know that the public isn't following along.

As strange as it might sound, people believe that Mueller and his investigation was supposed to be about Russia, election hacking, and possible collusion. The further this whole thing gets from that core goal, the harder it will be to convince conservatives and independents that the President did something impeachable.

The reality is that the Stormy Daniels issue became an issue in October of 2016 when it was first reported that there was supposedly an affair between the two. Trump obviously denied the relationship. While the public likely didn't believe him, they also didn't seem to care.  So despite allegations of affairs, statements about pussy grabbing, and other questionable sexual behavior, Trump was still elected President.

This reminds me a little of the Clinton impeachment situation. While Republicans wanted to argue that Clinton had committed perjury and obstruction of Justice, the general public oddly gave the behavior a pass because the impropriety was about covering up a sex scandal. It wasn't about the actual crimes of perjury or obstruction, it was that Clinton "lied about a blow job". I believe that most every American could understand how any married person might lie about infidelity, even to authorities.

Likewise, the Democrats will try to make the same sort of "legal argument" about campaign finance laws, when the public generally sees this as a married person trying to cover up his infidelity. Whether or not he technically "broke the law" (which he didn't)  is still going to be overshadowed by the feeling that this is about judging Trump for having affairs. With Presidential campaign spending literally entering into the billion dollar range, most people will have issues accepting that a $130,000 payment is worthy of this sort of attention.

  • Clinton lied about a blow job. 
  • Trump covered up an affair with a porn star.

As long as the general public finds these behaviors to be somewhat expected, if not justifiable, there will be hesitation to push for an impeachment. To really garner across the board support the public needs to hear evidence that Trump actually colluded with the Russians, or committed some sort of election "fraud". Short of that, I believe that support for impeachment will eventually wallow down to just the hardcore Democrats.

62 comments:

James said...

Faced with incontrovertible evidence, Clinton at least admitted he lied.

Faced with incontrovertible evidence, Trump continues to claim he is not lying.

His mobster mentality, exposed most recently by his use of the term "rat," is obvious. He is not morally or ethically worthy of the office he now occupies, nor is he capable of carrying out its duties effectively.

James said...

When and if impeachment comes, it will involve far more than the porn star episode.

James said...

Senator Says Trump Sounds Like a Mob Boss
December 17, 2018 at 9:39 am

Sen. Chris Coons (D-DE) said that President Trump’s use of the word “rat” to attack former personal attorney Michael Cohen is more evocative of a “mob boss” than a president, Politico reports.

Said Coons:
“The idea that the FBI broke into his attorney’s office runs right up against the foundation of our law, which is the FBI was executing a duly authorized warrant. They were executing a warrant issued with the approval of a judge. This is part of how investigations work.”

He added: “His use of the term ‘rat’ for Michael Cohen and mischaracterizing this as a break-in to his attorney’s office frankly makes him sound more like a mob boss than president of the United States.”

Commonsense said...

Yes, What Trump did was legal he didn't commit perjury.

Anonymous said...



He added: “His use of the term ‘rat’ for Michael Cohen and mischaracterizing this as a break-in to his attorney’s office frankly makes him sound more like a mob boss than president of the United States.”


really?

so when 0linsky pulled his 'shuck n' jive' ebonics schtick i was supposed to think he sounded more like a gang banger than a president?

okey dokey. i mean, if we're rolling with stereotypes let's be consistent, an shit yo.

fo shizzle, my nizzle.


Commonsense said...

When and if impeachment comes, it will involve far more than the porn star episode.

What in your fevered imagination is Trump going to be impeached for. Tearing off mattress tags?

James said...

Giuliani Sounds Less Confident of Trump’s Denials
December 17, 2018 at 9:49 am EST

Jonathan Chait:
“In an interview yesterday, George Stephanopoulos asked President Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani if Roger Stone ever gave Trump a ‘heads-up’ about forthcoming WikiLeaks email publications. ‘No, he didn’t, no,’ he replied. But then Giuliani seemed to reconsider his certitude almost immediately. He blinked, and then softened his denial — ‘I don’t believe so’ — before immediately transitioning into a conditional defense of the very charge he had been asked to deny: ‘But again, if Roger Stone gave anybody a heads-up about WikiLeaks’ leaks, that’s not a crime. It would be like giving him a heads-up that the Times is going to print something. One the — the crime, this is why this thing is so weird, strange. The crime is conspiracy to hack; collusion is not a crime; it doesn’t exist.'

“If you understand the facts and the law in this case, this much should be clear: Trump is almost certainly guilty of both collusion and a crime. And Giuliani’s backpedalling defense reveals that he is no longer confident Trump’s denials will hold.”
_________________

Time to fire Giuliani?

Anonymous said...



He is not morally or ethically worthy of the office he now occupies, nor is he capable of carrying out its duties effectively.


i suppose we should consider ourselves fortunate to be graced with clowns like the pederast and the alky who deem themselves qualified to judge the president's fitness to hold the office.

Commonsense said...

Oh I get it. Calling people a "rat" is an impeachable offense.

Anonymous said...

What in your fevered imagination is Trump going to be impeached for. Tearing off mattress tags?


that's what i was wondering. that stuttering, mumbling, dim-wit elijah cummings is calling for trump to be indicted.

for what he did not say.

Commonsense said...

The idea that the FBI broke into his attorney’s office runs right up against the foundation of our law,

If you considered attorney-client privalage a foundation of law which most people do. Hard to mount a defense when your lawyer can be forced to testify against you.

BTW it's a forgone conclusion that Cohan will be disbarred and will never practice law again.

He dishonored himself and his profession (which is a pretty high bar). He is in every sense of the word a "rat".

Anonymous said...




“It [impeachment] is not intended as a punishment for crimes, but as a protection against a president who would abuse his powers to make himself a tyrant…” How does the attempt to hide private sexual matters during an election qualify as a tyrannical abuse of power?

Nadler proceeded to the crux of the Democrats’ defense of then-President Clinton: “Perjury in a private matter, perjury regarding sex is not a great and dangerous offense against the nation. It is not an abuse of uniquely presidential power. It does not threaten our form of government. It is not an impeachable offense.”


http://thefederalist.com/2018/12/17/incoming-democrat-chairman-makes-definitive-case-impeaching-trump/


well thanks for clearing that up, you fat fuck.



James said...

A Guide to All 17 (Known) Trump Investigations

Garrett Graff:
“After three weeks of back-to-back-to-back-to-back bombshells by federal prosecutors and special counsel Robert Mueller, it’s increasingly clear that as 2018 winds down, Donald Trump faces a legal assault unlike anything previously seen by any president—a total of at least 17 distinct court cases stemming from at least seven different sets of prosecutors and investigators. (That total does not count any congressional inquiries, nor does it include any other inquiries into other administration officials unrelated to Russia.)

“While the media has long short-handed Mueller’s probe as the ‘Russia investigation,’ a comprehensive review of the cases unfolding around the president and the question of Russian influence in the 2016 campaign harkens back to another lesson of Watergate: Deep Throat’s dictum, ‘Follow the money.’”

James said...

He did indeed dishonor himself. By agreeing to lie for a liar and assist his attempted cover up.

Which makes Trump the bigger "rat."

Anonymous said...




Donald Trump faces a legal assault unlike anything previously seen by any president—a total of at least 17 distinct court cases stemming from at least seven different sets of prosecutors and investigators.


it's going to be so cool when we do this to the next democrat who's elected president.

special prosecutors, independent investigators, FBI, DOJ, political hitmen, partisan hacks... all dedicated to overthrowing a duly-elected president.

it's going to be awesome.

JAMES'S FUCKING DADDY said...


POWELL: New Facts Indicate Mueller Destroyed Evidence, Obstructed Justice

It gets worse. The Inspector General of the Department of Justice reported late last week that Mueller wiped Peter Strzok’s cell phone of all messages during the crucial time he was working for special counsel. The IG was unable to recover any text messages from it.

This was after the inspector general informed Mueller of the extreme bias of Strzok and Page evidenced by thousands of text messages on their phones. These messages were so egregious they required their termination from Mueller’s squad. Not only did Mueller hide this development from Congress, but he destroyed evidence on Strzok’s phone and allowed DOJ to do the same for Page’s phone. That’s a crime. Mueller put Paul Manafort in solitary confinement for simply trying to contact a witness.

Any ethical law Department of Justice official would have taken custody of all electronic devices of Strzok and Page immediately upon discovery of their extreme bias and blatant misconduct — or certainly upon their termination — and preserved all the evidence. For Mueller to destroy this evidence is blatant obstruction of justice that warrants his immediate termination. The same is true for Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein who was “overseeing” it at the time.

Mueller has shown abject contempt for the wrong court. Judge Sullivan is a real judge who believes in the rule of law and has the integrity to enforce it equally. The evidence strongly suggests Mueller violated Brady, destroyed or suppressed evidence, and obstructed justice in violation of 18 USC §1512(c). He has disgraced himself and the Department of Justice. Mueller’s time is up.

Anonymous said...

Jane d's Gansta of the 1920's.

See buggsy, a rat, see...

anonymous said...

: New Facts Indicate Mueller Destroyed Evidence, Obstructed Justice


New facts are so full of holes even trump is not repeating them

Sidney Powell | Former Federal Prosecutor and the daily caller....BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! what a pile of steaming horseshit....the only fact proven here is fucking daddy is an abject asshole!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

FBI Leadership destroyed phones and laptops during the Hillary white wash and now again to hide/protect whore Paige and Strok.

Anonymous said...

"Trump stole the Election"Denise

Anonymous said...

so cool when we do this to the next democrat who's elected president.

The idiocy of rectum breath the flaming asshole never ends.....too funny.....

Anonymous said...

George W Bush gave us the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression. "
Nope

No matter how many times we educate 2nd generation Alky he still gets them wrong.

FOMC meeting next two days, no rate hike is the financial/Economic smart thing to do.
The political asshat thing to do is punish the American people with yet another rate hike

anonymous said...

KD the goat fucking idiot posts for the 78th time, the same thing I said days ago....and yes, trump with the help of his buddy Putin stole the election!!

Too bad you can't see that....LOL

anonymous said...


https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2018/12/15/texas-court-strikes-down-affordable-care-act-putting-health-americans-and-our-democracy-risk/CnXOON4KDEx6huQUs9g76N/story.html

Read Story
Federal judge in Texas: Affordable Care Act is unconstitutional
Friday’s decision comes just before the end of a six-week open enrollment period for the program in 2019.

This case will now likely proceed to the US Supreme Court. If any sense of proper legal process prevails, the decision will be overturned. But the Supreme Court does not represent anything close to the mainstream legal view on matters such as this. After all, before the 2012 decision on the legality of the individual mandate, the vast majority of constitutional scholars said that the mandate was clearly legal. Yet five justices voted that it was not, and the mandate was only saved by being relabeled as a tax by Chief Justice John Roberts.

And if the Supreme Court does support this heinous decision, it will have dire consequences for the health of our citizens. Even though the Trump administration has significantly weakened the ACA, 17 million Americans have gained coverage through the law. Perhaps more importantly, the estimated 133 million Americans with a pre-existing condition have access to affordable coverage should they need it. If this law is struck down, we will return to the bad old days where insurers could deny coverage to individuals who are ill, or charge them many times more than the healthy.

That’s not all that will be lost with a repeal of the ACA. Children will no longer be protected by their parents’ insurance plans until age 26. Insurers will be able to once again limit how much healthcare spending they cover in any year, and there will no longer be a cap on what individuals have to spend out of pocket on their medical costs. Millions of Americans who don’t read the fine print of their insurance contracts could once again buy insurance that leaves them with tens of thousands of dollars in uncovered medical bills.

And the idiots of the right rejoice.....sooooo stupid all the time

anonymous said...

KD the goat fucking idiot posted....

George W Bush gave us the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression. " NOPE!!

And you base Nope on what???? Your idiotic opinion??? See link below.....asshole

https://www.thebalance.com/bush-administration-economic-policies-3305556

anonymous said...



•••
BY KIMBERLY AMADEO Updated December 10, 2018
George Walker Bush was the 43rd President, serving from 2001-2009. His administration had its hands full. First, there were two recessions, the second being the worst since the Great Depression. Second, was the most damaging hurricane in U.S. history.

Third, the administration faced the first attack on U.S. soil since Pearl Harbor. In response, it launched the War on Terror, funding two wars at the same time.


As a result, President Bush added $6 trillion to the U.S. debt. For comparison, see U.S. Debt by President.

caliphate4vr said...

And here's the author of fatty's opinion piece

JONATHAN GRUBER

proving his stupidity

LMAO

Anonymous said...

Lol@2nd Generation Alky

Anonymous said...

No matter how many times we educate 2nd generation Alky/Denise they still get it wrong.

anonymous said...



JONATHAN GRUBER


And our asshole salesman once again can only provide an ad hominem attack on an OPINION piece which is clearly STATED in the link I gave....what a fucking idiot, but we all knew that,......BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Too fucking funny even for a willfully idiotic poster like pauline...!! As for gruber's creds....let me know when you get a Ph'D instead of your loser BS in drinking....LOLOLOL

caliphate4vr said...

Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber bragging about deceiving the American people, who he thinks are stupid.

Anonymous said...


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Food Stamp Enrollment Drops in 47 StatesSpencer Platt/Getty Images16 Dec 2018731

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Food stamp enrollment dropped over the past year in 47 out of 50 states, according to the latest U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) statistics on nationwide food stamp enrollment.

The majority of states saw declines in the number of people enrolling in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) — the federal government program which administers food stamps — over the past year, with 47 states reporting a decline in enrollment between September 2017 and September 2018, according to the most recent USDA data.

Some states even reported double-digit drops in food stamp enrollment. Food stamp enrollment went down the most in Texas, where 32.2 percent of food stamp recipients dropped out of the welfare program."

The new farm bill should be voted down.
Prison Bill should get passed easily.

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Anonymous said...

Unemployment Average 

George W Bush 4.9 %
Carter. 6.4 %

cowardly king obama said...


caliphate4vr said...
And here's the author of fatty's opinion piece

JONATHAN GRUBER

proving his stupidity



and he's so lo iq he thinks he has to prove it daily

correction - hourly

Anonymous said...

Anonymous caliphate4vr said...
And here's the author of fatty's opinion piece

JONATHAN GRUBER

proving his stupidity

LMAO



i thought gruber was intelligent. at least enough to teach at MIT. had he taken a moment to review some of the opinions from the right on the ruling he'd understand that even many right leaning legal scholars question the judgement of the ruling.

if the USSC even decides to hear the case i doubt they rule in favor of the judge in texas.

Commonsense said...

Gruber has a lot of nerve.

anonymous said...

and he's so lo iq he thinks he has to prove it daily

The idiots of the right again prove why they love being on trumps side....too stupid to think.....Again coward, the only fact that can be said about you is that you are a waste of space and natural resources....Let me know when you and the asshole salesman manage to teach your bigotry at MIT.....a school with a reputation a lot higher than UGA....LOL

if the USSC even decides to hear the case i doubt they rule in favor of the judge in texas.

Dayum rat hole....you posted 2 thoughts that I agree with and go against the non-thinking sycophants above .....maybe you have seen the light....but, I'll reserve judgement for the time being....

Anonymous said...

What a old goat .

caliphate4vr said...

.a school with a reputation a lot higher than UGA....


So sayeth a fatman that went to DeVry equivalent school

Myballs said...

Media throwing a fit that the current top of three 2020 dems candidates are all white men.

Lol. The media is part of the reason we have Trump.

anonymous said...


So sayeth a fat man that went to DeVry equivalent school

Hey loser....you think UGA has an academic rating even close to MIT????? Look at you.....4 years of UGA and you got a job selling insurance.....yeah....that sure is the ticket....asshole...Yeah....my masters trumps your minor in drinking and fucking...LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Anonymous said...

Balls?

What happened to Warren, Hillary and other Socialist.

Anonymous said...

Denise you have a Masters. Do tell in what exactly.

anonymous said...

To KD the dumbest fuck in the US

Denise you have a Masters. Do tell in what exactly.

I've posted that and the other 2 degrees I have many times.....do yourself a favor...take your head out of trumps old fat white skanky ass.....

caliphate4vr said...

you think UGA has an academic rating even close to MIT

Never said that fatty, but you're always good at lying. I did say you went to one of the worst academic school's in the country.

You can't read

Now i'm done bashing your fatass. so have the last incoherent babbling

Anonymous said...

Denise , you take 128 letters to not tell us.

My Masters is in Economics.

anonymous said...

Numb nutz pauline has trouble understanding the written word with

Never said that fatty,

And I surely didn't say you did., it was a question for the willfully stupid.......ASSHOLE!!!! wanna try again or just continue to look like the loser salesman with a 4 year drinking degree from UGA!!!! Too fucking funny even for an idiot like you...Keep posting, this is fun!!!!!!

anonymous said...


My Masters is in Economics.

Sure it is....asshole...

Anonymous said...

The University of Kansas is my college.

You may have heard of it.

Myballs said...

Experts expect Sullivan to rip Mueller a new one for not turning over the 302 from January 2017. Its going to be thrown out.

Anonymous said...

As it should be.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Myballs said...

Experts expect Sullivan to rip Mueller a new one for not turning over the 302 from January 2017. Its going to be thrown out.


it would be nice if sullivan could find mueller in contempt of court and throw him in jail for a few days.

anonymous said...

The University of Kansas is my college.

At University of Kansas, the graduation rate is 63 % within 150%

Impressive!!!! Yeah....heard the school sucks.....


BWAAAAAAPAAAAAA!!!! You having a masters is about as comical as trump being a successful businessman.....LOLOLOL

anonymous said...

Any one here want to venture a guess how many investigations were conducted on Obama??? Right now trump has 17 going at the same time....

James said...

Judge to examine Whitaker appointment in U.S. asylum policy case

WASHINGTON, Dec 17 (Reuters) - A federal judge on Monday is set to consider whether President Donald Trump violated the U.S. Constitution by appointing Matthew Whitaker as acting attorney general

cowardly king obama said...

Myballs said...
Experts expect Sullivan to rip Mueller a new one for not turning over the 302 from January 2017.


He may have filed it under seal.

Anonymous said...

Lol.
I really believed that the Red hot hate for Trump beating Hillary would have cooled by now.

anonymous said...

He may have filed it under seal.

Check Hillaries server....

Anonymous said...

Have anyone one of you ever felt a need to scrub clean your phone?

cowardly king obama said...

Mark Meadows

A question that needs answering: Why did Director Comey authorize agents to break protocol and bypass White House counsel in interviewing General Michael Flynn? It seems part of a pattern: Director Comey didn’t follow protocol. He treated different people by different rules.


If both parties were treated in a balanced manner by the FBI and DOJ both of the Clintons would very likely be doing time.

Hillaries (sic) hilarious

lo iq commie comes thru again

anonymous said...

Blogger KD said...
Have anyone one of you ever felt a need to scrub clean your phone?

Right after you using it.....

Mark Meadows.....another southern asshole the coward thinks has a point like the one on his pin head....LOLOLOLOLOL Sad, all the investigations and the tea party leader does not have the simple answer.....how funny is that!!!!