Contrary to conventional liberal wisdom, this is not the fault of Donald Trump or any sort of anti-immigration policy.
The reality is that these are children who are being asked to take a 1200 mile journey (basically on foot) in order to illegally cross the United States border in hopes of either getting some sort of asylum or disappearing into the United States. The fact that more children do not die or otherwise become desperately ill along this sort of journey is the surprising thing here. In fact, I am guessing many people probably do run into health issues (even death) prior to getting to the United States. We just wouldn't hear about it.
The ACLU has called out the border services and are demanding that they somehow be held responsible for the deaths of these two children, in spite of providing them with medical attention at the time. But the reality here (again) is that our border services are not equipped (nor should they be required to be equipped) with the sort of medical facilities required to take in the thousands of people who decided to embark on the trek as part of a "caravan".
Personal responsibility is something that liberals have troubles grasping. Whenever something goes wrong (who could imagine health issues with an eight year old asked to walk 1200 miles through hazardous conditions without food, water, or medical attention) they find someone else to blame. Generally someone who they are politically opposed to.
The truth is this child is dead because his parent decided to have him walk 1200 miles to the United States. The next in line for responsibility is anyone who "encouraged" this man to take an eight year old on a 1200 mile trek to the United States. The very "last" people you should blame are those who are looking for ways to "prevent" this kind of reckless behavior.
Yet, in typical illogical liberal logic the "last" people who should deserve blame are the ones they would like to blame. Largely, because they have no ability to take any personal responsibility for anything... ever. Bad things are always (in their meager minds) the responsibility of the "bad orange man" and anyone who refuses to call him evil.
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That about says it.
his is not the fault of Donald Trump or any sort of anti-immigration policy.
Of course it is the childs fault....asshole!!!! Sad how deep your head is buried up trumps old fat white ass!!!!!
Well Denny...
Unlike you. I am a parent. If I took one of my boys on a 1200 mile hike such as this, then I would take that responsibility if something happened. Whether or not I felt that the alternative to leaving was "worse"... it's still my choice and my responsibility.
I certainly wouldn't blame the border security people for not saving my kids life, when I put him in the situation to become deathly sick. I certainly wouldn't blame anyone (certainly not a politician) who told me "not" to make the trip in the first place.
The girl and her father took buses across Mexico. The trip took five days. The only walking they did was in the final two miles.
Who I "might" blame, Denny...
Are those who encouraged me to make this trip, suggested that I would be given asylum, free medical, free food, free housing, and a bunch of other stuff. I might be a little upset when I got to the border, realized that I was being lied to... that I was not going to be welcomed with open arms and given a bunch of free stuff just for making the trip.
The girl and her father took buses across Mexico
Well Indy...
then those people who supplied the busses, but not adequate medical care, food, water, and supplies when they got there... are the ones to blame.
Do you know who supplied the busses?
Well Denny...
Unlike you. I am a parent.
Well ladi fucking dah, how do you know I am not a parent????? Rat keeps posting idiotic comments about my family or are you note astute enough to follow a thread? ???? ....sure hope your spawn are smarter than their old man....!!!!!
I would take that responsibility if something happened
Sure you would....sunce you are the typical trumpite, you would blame everyone but yourself just like this thread!!!!! LOLOLOLOL
The boy who died two days ago had been taken into custody at the border December 18, and had been healthy until Monday morning.
The illegal decision, highly touted by Trump, to separate families in custody publicized that asylum seekers who come with children are likely to be released while their cases are reviewed. The number of asylum seekers arriving with children has climbed as a result.
The illegal decision, highly touted by Trump, to separate families in custody publicized that asylum seekers who come with children are likely to be released while their cases are reviewed
It wasn't illegal. In fact it was mandated by a federal court based on a lawsuit brought by the ACLU.
The boy who died two days ago had been taken into custody at the border December 18, and had been healthy until Monday morning.
So Indy.
Perfectly healthy mid December.
Takes a three day bus trip.
Sits in a Customs and Border protection camp for six days.
Then out of the blue, the kid gets sick and in two days he dies?
That's the story here?
And people want to blame border security and Donald Trump for this?
Either way you push is. US Customs and Border Protection are not designed to take in this amount of people, they shouldn't be required to take in this amount of people, and they certainly cannot be held responsible for what happens to everyone of these people.
The case is Flores v. Reno.
In fact it was mandated by a federal court based on a lawsuit brought by the AClU
Nowhere in the United States do we allow minors to be house with adult criminals in any sort of containment situation.
We can offer the semantics that the border containment is not the same thing as a Jail or a prison, but that is simply a semantic distinction. A distinction without a real difference.
But some people would like to pretend that everyone who crosses the border and gets detained are just hard working family people out to make a better life for themselves.
But the reality is that many of those detained are criminals, drug dealers, human traffickers, etc...
The idea of allowing them to be housed in the same facility as children seems to be a fairly obvious stupid idea. But, then again, what's obvious to one person is not so obvious to another.
So does it surprise anyone that a Judge would make a ruling that you cannot detain the children "separate" from the adults, after previous rulings determined that you cannot detain them "with" the adults?
No... because the entire idea is to not "detain" them at all. To allow everyone who enters the country to get a court date an go on their merry way.
A distinction without a real difference.
The distinction is you, trump and the border guards are incompetent boobs who need leadership which is not present in either you or trump....Solution is he is willing to spend billions on a leaky wall and he don't have the assets to take care of the current issues of killing kids because they were dragged by their stupid parents trying to make a life for themselves....what a bunch of stupid people !!!!
Well Denny...
For once we agree...
We know that the current situation is fucked up and those who are responsible for creating the current situation are all incompetent boobs. There is no hope for the current situation to be improved around the edges to make it right. It's fundamentally fucked up.
We need a fundamental change in our border security philosophy all together.
That will take leadership and a willingness to actually change how our border security is handled.
Obviously we both agree that the status quo must end.
at the risk of stating the obvious, both the 7 yr old girl and now this 8 yr old boy would still be alive if they had just stayed the fuck home to begin with.
there's a path to both citizenship and asylum for those wishing to come here. following the basic steps of either depending upon one's circumstances is the way to go.
getting dead in the process only supplies the left with more political fodder as we've seen with both these kids, and their completely avoidable deaths.
https://www.bettergov.org/news/trumps-top-10-falsehoods-of-2018
A "horrible law" requires that children be separated from their parents "once they cross the Border into the U.S."
False. There is no such law. Families were rarely separated before Trump's "zero tolerance" policy to prosecute all illegal border crossings. Mostly, they used to be kept together in family detention centers or released into the United States as they awaited deportation or court hearings.
Democrats let cop killer Luis Bracamontes "into our country," and "Democrats let him stay."
Pants on Fire. Bracamontes’ last illegal entry was under George W. Bush, a Republican president, and Republican and Democratic administrations had deported Bracamontes
To allow everyone who enters the country to get a court date an go on their merry way.
democrats call this a 'voter registration drive.'
We need a fundamental change in our border security philosophy all together.
Like getting a real leader instead of a bomb throwing incompetent idiot in the WH!!!!!
We need a fundamental change in our border security philosophy all together.
indeed.
it's called 'law enforcement.'
we don't enforce the immigration laws we have on the books today. not consistently anyway. the dumb fucks we elect and send to DC cry out for comprehensive immigration reform. the GOP likes the cheap labor and the donks like the additional votes.
a good start would be a 3 yr moratorium on any and all entry into our country. that should be enough time to re-familiarize ourselves with the laws on the books and build a wall.
after that we need to be meticulous in our scrutiny of every individual applying to enter our country.
How the rich got exemptions to avoid the draft.....their old man new someone who owed a favor....shocking it always came down to money and being eligible for the draft back then....knew what was going on and could do nothing....Of course donnie's convenient memory failed him.....of course he does know the whole story and has been lying for 40 years!!!
Dec. 26, 2018
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In the fall of 1968, Donald J. Trump received a timely diagnosis of bone spurs in his heels that led to his medical exemption from the military during Vietnam.
For 50 years, the details of how the exemption came about, and who made the diagnosis, have remained a mystery, with Mr. Trump himself saying during the presidential campaign that he could not recall who had signed off on the medical documentation.
Now a possible explanation has emerged about the documentation. It involves a foot doctor in Queens who rented his office from Mr. Trump’s father, Fred C. Trump, and a suggestion that the diagnosis was granted as a courtesy to the elder Mr. Trump.
Left out the most important part. The New York Times can't corroborate the story.
The was a time when real journalist tried to verify a story before it's published. But now the rules don't apply because Trump.
The New York Times can't corroborate the story.
Seems you have trouble with the written word...
“I know it was a favor,” said one daughter, Dr. Elysa Braunstein, 56, who along with her sister, Sharon Kessel, 53, shared the family’s account for the first time publicly when contacted by The New York Times.
Elysa Braunstein said the implication from her father was that Mr. Trump did not have a disqualifying foot ailment. “But did he examine him? I don’t know,” she said.
Typical cramps sucking trumps dick....sure looks like they got real information to me.....LOLOLOLOL You should have read the whole article....idiot
False. There is no such law. Families were rarely separated before Trump's "zero tolerance" policy to prosecute all illegal border crossings.
That's pretty much a misrepresentation of the ruling.
While it's true that there is no ruling that demands children are separated from their parents at the border, there is a ruling that demands that children are not allowed to be "detained" in the same containment camps/areas with other adults.
Obviously... you could (as Obama chose to do) - simply "release" everyone who comes in with a child. Then you are neither detaining them or separating them.
But if your decision is to "detain" those who cross the border illegally rather than simply let them go, then you cannot detain children in the same facility as adults.
The Flores ruling does directly address the conditions, food, medicine, shelter, etc... and also includes the allowance of contact between the children and parents. Why would the ruling include (or even broach the subject) of allowing visits between children and parents if the idea of the ruling was "not" to detain them separately?
So the liberal logic here is because there is an option of just "releasing" anyone who crosses the border with children... that there is no law that "requires" separation. Such is a true statement under that logic.
But it's entirely untrue to suggest that the agreements under Flores do not set the guidelines that the Administration had been following.
Again, at the end of the day... the idea is all about how to get more people released "into" the country.
Thousands of people died when they were taking ships from Europe into North America before the American revolution and afterwards.
You believe that those people were irresponsible and can be blamed upon themselves and their families!??
You have lost your mind.
That's pretty much a misrepresentation of the ruling.
Your naive opinion, Lil Scotty.,,, I'll go with an article written by someone with real creds rather than a failed statistician making a comment on a subject he has no working knowledge....
The daughters of a Queens foot doctor say their late father diagnosed President Donald Trump with bone spurs to help him avoid the Vietnam War draft as a "favor" to his father Fred Trump, according to a new report Wednesday.
Dr. Larry Braunstein, a podiatrist who died in 2007, often told the story of providing Donald Trump with the diagnosis of bone spurs in his heels so he could be exempt from military service, his two daughters -- Dr. Elysa Braunstein and Sharon Kessel -- told the New York Times.
"It was family lore," Elysa Braunstein told the Times, adding that the story was "something we would always discuss" among family and friends.
No problem.
"No paper evidence has been found to help corroborate the version of events described by the Braunstein family,”
Where is the link to your plagiarist post?
You refused to call him evil because you have lost your mind.
No paper evidence
There is certainly a preponderance of witness verification....You expect to find paper documents from a deceased podiatrist 50 years after the fact when a trump is involved????? You really are most amusing in your sucking on trumps dick!!!! Yes it is circumstantial, but very credible....LOLOLOLOL
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Thousands of people died when they were taking ships from Europe into North America before the American revolution and afterwards.
You believe that those people were irresponsible and can be blamed upon themselves and their families!??
You have lost your mind.
Uh no, it you whom has lost your mind, with this pathetic moral equivalency. There were no public bennies way back when Rog
"It was family lore," Elysa Braunstein told the Times
like senator warren's native american heritage 'family lore'?
So, an unsupported allegation from 50 years ago. And roger sucks it in and swallows it all as usual.
Good grief.
Blogger Unknown said...
The New York Times can't corroborate the story.
Seems you have trouble with the written word...
No paper evidence has been found to help corroborate the version of events described by the Braunstein family, who also suggested there was some involvement by a second podiatrist, Dr. Manny Weinstein. Dr. Weinstein, who died in 1995, lived in two apartments in Brooklyn owned by Fred Trump; city directories show he moved into the first during the year Donald Trump received his exemption.
Dr. Braunstein’s daughters said their father left no medical records with the family, and a doctor who purchased his practice said he was unaware of any documents related to Mr. Trump. Most detailed government medical records related to the draft no longer exist, according to the National Archives.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/26/us/politics/trump-vietnam-draft-exemption.html
So, an unsupported allegation from 50 years ago. And roger sucks it in and swallows it all as usual.
behold the death grip of TDS and the effect it can have on the mental health of an individual...
no paper evidence, no medical records, no problem.
if the alky could, he'd have nonsense like the bone spur story injected directly into his veins.
the only thing missing from the story is maggie haberman's contribution to it.
It took NY Times 30 paragraphs to admit that the two daughters are both trump hating democrats.
Go figure.
Uh no, it you whom has lost your mind, with this pathetic moral equivalency. There were no public bennies way back when Rog
the alky's TDS prevents him from making the distinction between settlers arriving on a new frontier, and beaners catapulting over the border for EBT, section 8, and welfare checks.
What's been called "Trump Anxiety Disorder" has been on the rise in the months following the election, according to mental-health professionals from across the country who report unusually high levels of politics-related stress in their practices.
[...]
In a 2017 essay for a book co-edited by psychiatrists from Harvard Medical School and the Yale School of Medicine, clinical psychologist Jennifer Panning of Evanston, Ill., called the condition "Trump Anxiety Disorder," distinguishing it from a generalized anxiety disorder because "symptoms were specific to the election of Trump and the resultant unpredictable sociopolitical climate."
Though not an official diagnosis, the symptoms include feeling a loss of control and helplessness, and fretting about what's happening in the country and spending excessive time on social media, she said.
[...]
Panning said intense consumption of media coverage of this presidency is making some people's Trump-related anxiety worse.
"They say they're wondering what's next," she said.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-anxiety-disorder-mental-health-political-divide-us-1.4762487
when you're a broken down old drunk surviving on your second liver, all you have to do all day is sit around the house, read trump's tweets, be triggered, and seeth with the rage of trump and all the anxiety he provides.
a rather pathetic existence if you ask me.
instead of publishing trump bone spur fiction, the ny times should stick to it's area of expertise keeping the JOO hatred riled up...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/23/us/womens-march-anti-semitism.html?smid=nytcore-ipad-share&smprod=nytcore-ipad
instead of publishing trump bone spur fiction
Typical asshole, everyone is a lying SOB except trump....nothing fiction about buying a doctor off at the time....He had the means, the doctor and money.....equals bone spurs that no one questioned......Do you actually think the man with the awesome mind he claims to have always has such convenient memory when it involves himself???? He's been lying for 50 that he don't remember.....I can tell you exactly where I was when my draft number was picked......and he can't remember the doctor who got him out of the drafts name....PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
d0pie,
the point here is that the times chose to print a story that admitted it had no evidence of the original fucking claim.
no paper evidence, no medical records.
so... lacking those two vital pieces of corroborative evidence, the only justification for publishing the story is to make your mark as an anti-trump hack, preaching to fellow anti-trump hacks like you and roger.
that's like coldheart putting up a couple thousand word post claiming that roger is officially back on the sauce, abusing his new liver with booze morning, noon, and night...
...while admitting that he doesn't possess any evidence to back up the claim.
a pointless exercise aimed only at those who think so little of roger that they would like to believe the story.
boy, the alky must be pissed.
the market is up 537 pts.
But now, as more children cross the border, "We're doing dozens of hospital trips every single day with children that have fevers or manifest other medical conditions," McAleenan said Wednesday.
"We've asked for help. We've got two Coast Guard teams deploying today to support our Border Patrol agents in checking the welfare of children in our custody."
You believe that those people were irresponsible and can be blamed upon themselves and their families!??
Well Roger...
Last time I checked, those people who died on their way to the United States never once blamed a "bad orange man" for the fact that their plight was dangerous and that not everyone would make it there.
Those people understood the risks, accepted those risks, and didn't try to blame others and play politics if something happened to them. They also were not (at that time) breaking any laws by making the journey.
So to your point Roger...
The people from Guatemala should be treated no differently than those who crossed from Europe. The United States is not responsible for the safety of any of those journeys.
The people who have "lost their minds" Roger...
are those who find another reason to blame something on the "bad orange man".
Dr. Larry Braunstein, a podiatrist who died in 2007, often told the story of providing Donald Trump with the diagnosis of bone spurs in his heels so he could be exempt from military service, his two daughters -- Dr. Elysa Braunstein and Sharon Kessel -- told the New York Times.
If Roger wasn't so infected with TDS he may have question why the good doctor would involved his daughters in what was essentially a criminal conspericy to dodge the draft.
It would be an odd thing to brag about is since he could have very well lose his medical license if not his freedom.
To allow everyone who enters the country to get a court date an go on their merry way.
democrats call this a 'voter registration drive.'
RRB is spot on. Again.
4F Roger. Unfit for Service in any of the US Military Services.
Been physically broken his entire life.
"Dead Pool""
"Ginsburg, the oldest Supreme Court justice at 85 years old, underwent treatment for colorectal cancer in 1999 and pancreatic cancer in 2009."
Tick tock.
If Roger wasn't so infected with TDS he may have question why the good doctor would involved his daughters in what was essentially a criminal conspericy to dodge the draft.
and at the very least find themselves in violation of HIPAA laws.
trump, like all americans, is entitled to privacy where his medical records are concerned.
behold the power of TDS - getting people to break laws because their hatred of trump is so overwhelming.
NOC Stock down $122 this year.
Do you invest like Denise?
Liberals are going to Trash IRS Laws again after Jan. 3, 2019. Going to make Lois Learner look like a transsexual boy scout.
The least Educated State is 《《drum roll》》 California .
Helped in part by low IQ Roger.
The bad Orange man is the worst President in modern history.
It would be an odd thing to brag about is since he could have very well lose his medical license if not his freedom.
He was well aware of the risks but he was compensated substantially and the information was not available for decades. He died 11 years ago.
Trump dodged the draft.
You don't give a flying fuck because you hate liberals and it blinded you to the lies and bigotry and terrible behavior.
A death wish from the kput'z
KDDecember 26, 2018 at 12:32 PM
"Dead Pool""
"Ginsburg, the oldest Supreme Court justice at 85 years old, underwent treatment for colorectal cancer in 1999 and pancreatic cancer in 2009."
Tick tock.
Trump dodged the draft.
Like Bubba??
Two Koreas to pledge road, rail links on divided peninsula
Huh, orangeman bad
You damn betvya asshole.
The sooner the fucking better.
"Roger AmickDecember 26, 2018 at 1:31 PM
A death wish from the kput'z
KDDecember 26, 2018 at 12:32 PM
"Dead Pool""
"Ginsburg, the oldest Supreme Court justice at 85 years old, underwent treatment for colorectal cancer in 1999 and pancreatic cancer in 2009"
Orange Man gets another hard right judge on the bench. He never ever blink when you human pieces of filth lied, lied and paid hookers to make up shit on Bret Kavanaugh. He bet you like the idiot cripple your ilk are.
I hear that old stupid no accomplishment dust bag is struggling to breeth. Losing weight and has a DNT signed.
Pull the plug.
So Rog...
Are you still arguing that every death that occured while people immigrated here to the United States over the course of our 242 years....
was the fault of whoever was President at the time?
Or is your contention that only this particular President should be blamed for what happens to people during their immigration quest?
Should be good, IF, returns to answer.
Tic tock
Heavy clashes breakout between Turkish-backed rebels, Kurdish forces near border-town
And someone thinks we should have American troops in the midst of this clusterfuck
President Donald Trump and First Lady Melania Trump made a secret Christmas trip to visit the troops in Iraq, the White House revealed Wednesday."
Roger , oh Roger you where saying?
Roger is so wrong so often.
"Roger AmickDecember 25, 2018 at 7:52 PM
By staying home on Tuesday, Trump became the first president since 2002 who didn't visit military personnel around Christmastime"
Roger , Hold President Trump's Snapple natural drink.
China cuts tariffs on more than 700 goods in bid to open up economy and lower domestic consumer costs
He was well aware of the risks but he was compensated substantially and the information was not available for decades.
That wasn't the question TDS infected one. The question is why he would brag about it to his daughters. You don't have an answer to that question since the only possible answer is that the whole story is phony to begin with.
Anonymous caliphate4vr said...
Awesome C+P there ace. Perfection once again in that not an iota of your own thought!!!
Ministry of Finance will implement zero tariffs on imports of a variety of meals including sunflower and
And someone thinks we should have American troops in the midst of this clusterfuck
You mean people like Mad Dog Matis and Graham????? First battle of the new clusterfuck that could cascade....Oh well no one knows more about clusterfucks than you Pauline....LOLOLOLOL
Love your link....that's a new one even for you....AMN Beirut......you really need to find sources with a little more creds than that!!!
Just like I thought, pauline is sympathetic to assad and syria with the Bullshit sites he links as news.......GOOD GOING Pauline!!!!
The website was described by the BBC and Newsweek as having a pro-Syrian government viewpoint,[11][12] while The Independent describes it as "sympathetic to the Syrian regime".[13] The New York Times has described it as a "pro-government website".[14] Leonid Bershidsky writing in Bloomberg News, also calls al-Masdar "somewhat pro-Assad."[15]
Business Insider reporter Natasha Bertrand has described Leith Abou Fadel, the editor of al-Masdar, as someone who had pushed a conspiracy theory in the past, and described him as an "Assad loyalist".[7]
The question is why he would brag about it to his daughters.
Why wouldn't he, cramps??? You never had family discussions in your house hold???? So sad that your parents had as boring a life as you did.....My old man was very involved with govmt contracting and we always got to hear what he was working on......That is what got me interested in aeroplanes and military equipment.....
Great News Cali.
"caliphate4vrDecember 26, 2018 at 3:04 PM
China cuts tariffs on more than 700 goods in bid to open up economy and lower domestic consumer costs."
Orange Man bad.
Why wouldn't he??
Because doing so would lead authorities to discover a crime that would revoke his medical license and put him and his daughters in jail.
Does everything have to be spelled out for you??
Pro-Turkish armed groups have reinforced their presence on the outskirts of the city of Manbij in northern Syria as Ankara threatens a new offensive against Kurdish forces, sources said Wednesday.
Turkey announced in mid-December that it would launch a fresh military campaign against the Kurdish People's Protection Units, a militia in Syria that Ankara considers a terrorist group.
The United States has backed Kurdish fighters in northern Syria as part of an international coalition against the Islamic State jihadist group.
discover a crime that would revoke his medical license and put him and his daughters in jail.
Amazing how you just make shit up to serve your own lack of intellect.....How would that crime ever be discovered????? Magic? the girls going public at the time that their old man was bought off by Fred trump? That alone could revoke his license and lose trumps deferment!!!!! Do you ever think anything through???? Always the trump fool.....LOLOLOL
"Does everything have to be spelled out for you??"
Yes, Denise is too dumb.
Does everything have to be spelled out for you??
Yes and very slowly
Even then he's still too dense to get it.
Denise , the girls and father commit a crime?
Washington Post Hints What Others Have Known: Jamal Khashoggi Was A Paid Qatari Intelligence Asset
"Roger AmickDecember 25, 2018 at 7:52 PM
By staying home on Tuesday, Trump became the first president since 2002 who didn't visit military personnel around Christmastime"
Wrong again Medicaid leech.
President Donald Trump and First Lady Melania Trump made a secret Christmas trip to visit the troops in Iraq, the White House revealed Wednesday."
Roger , oh Roger you where saying?
Roger is so wrong so often.
Awesome Red State Speculation piece there ace!!!!! That and 2 bucks can get you a cup of coffee....but once again a perfect link posted and not an iota of original thought.....Good one, especially that AMN link to a syrian blog that supports assad....brilliant!!!!
But a lot more is hinted at:
By staying home on Tuesday, Trump became the first president since 2002
100% correct until he snuck out today.....malodorous looked glamorous and completely bored in that tent setting .....what a douche!!!!!
Dow up 1080 points. Biggest gain I. History. We'll wait for Roger to announce it.
@sean_spicier
Waiting for all those apology tweets from folks who whined about POTUS not visiting troops during Christmas. Commencing breath hold...now
Dow up 1080 points. Biggest gain I
Which barely covers the losses on Monday and Friday....another trump pyrrhic victory with no long term affect....
Yeah sean spicer, I apologize for complaining up until today about trump not visiting the troops..... great fund there cramps, maybe you can go and hold malodorous's tampons for her!!!
Washington Post Hints What Others Have Known: Jamal Khashoggi Was A Paid Qatari Intelligence Asset
Couldn't of work out better for Qutar or Iran. Still the ham-handed way MBS handle this spy was amateurish. You don't neutralize him in your own embassy.
If true then Trump was right not to blow up US-Saudi relations over this. Dispite all the pressure he was getting from the media.
Yeah Sean spicer
Another liberal dumbshit punked.
Mr. Airplane master Denise.
Calculate when Pres. TRUMP and the FLOTUS would have left DC to get to Iraq to visit the troops. .
1000% wrong, again denise.
Hey troll no comment on the France24 link showing Trump is right not to back Kurds fighting rebels backed by a NATO ally
Waiting for all those apology tweets from folks who whined about POTUS not visiting troops during Christmas. Commencing breath hold...now
So I got punked by YOUR fake post that I didn't vet.....Lesson learned, everything you post is now suspect....good job asshole message received that you are a massive fraud.....idiot.
If true then Trump was right not to blow up US-Saudi relations over this. Dispite all the pressure he was getting from the media.
How the hell do you live in DC writing 20 articles at $500 a pop for the Bezo Post?
Obama final gas price National Average 2.496 01/16 "
Orange Man Bad price 2.41. Today.
AAA..
Awe widdle Dopie all pisses off.
So I got punked by YOUR fake post that I didn't vet.....Lesson learned, everything you post is now suspect
Seems you quite frequently open mouth and insert pie or foot.
Seems you quite frequently open mouth and insert pie or foot.
Wow pauline....your insight is both inspiring and predictable....maybe you can provide the closing date of your lake house and the date your kids won't need your help.....
Orange Man Bad price 2.41. Today.
For a land barge owner that gets 15 mpg....that is your great tax cut......too dumb for words....LOLOLOLOL BTW, crude went up 10% today.....
How the hell do you live in DC writing 20 articles at $500 a pop for the Bezo Post?
Just like trump winning the POTUS.....he had money and wrote for fun.......Why aren't you published on the WaPo??????
Answer.....you got nothing interesting to write about, only drunken frat parties and screwing people you sell to....LOLOLOL
Wow pauline....your insight is both inspiring and predictable....maybe you can provide the closing date of your lake house and the date
You certainly are concerned with my personal affairs, while no one gives a damn about yours.
Living in your head rent free
.....he had money and wrote for fun....
From Qatar
Why no comment on the France24 post confirming why Trump won’t back the Kurds fighting a rebel backed group by a NATO ally?
Living rent free
Why no comment on the France24
Because it is a fake POS, just like you are......
Tells us all we want to know. You’re a horrid troll with no life
Rent free
Outgoing Republican Rep. Mark Sanford (R-SC) on Wednesday warned of the dangers of accepting the term “fake news” and suggested that Trump’s presidency could eventually lead to the emergence of a
A very conservative Senator tells us that he's the worst President in recent history.
We are all suckers.
The crazy and lonely man has tweeted over 30 times in the last two days.
He lied to the troops in his speech today.
A very conservative Senator tells us that he's the worst President in recent history.
Um he’s not a Senator, note the “Rep” from your post. And did Sanford say that from App Trail or South America
Roger is projecting again.
Um he’s not a Senator, note the “Rep” from your post. And did Sanford say that from App Trail or South America
Don't cry for me Argentina.
Roger AmickDecember 25, 2018 at 7:52 PM
By staying home on Tuesday, Trump became the first president since 2002 who didn't visit military personnel around Christmastime"
Wrong again Medicaid leech.
President Donald Trump and First Lady Melania Trump made a secret Christmas trip to visit the troops in Iraq, the White House revealed Wednesday."
Roger , oh Roger you where saying?
Roger is so wrong so often.
Lol@StupidRoger.
"Um he’s not a Senator, note the “Rep” from your post."
The Press is Upset that this President , "snuck out".
I love how silly they are.
Fyi, funny.
"The Women’s March is planning to take to the streets again on January 19 in Washington, DC, to protest Donald Trump’s presidency, but groups affiliated with the left-wing organization are dropping out in the wake of charges that its leaders embrace anti-Semitism, including associating with outspoken anti-Semite Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan. "
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DONALD TRUMP TWITTER ACCOUNT VIDEO REVEALS COVERT U.S. NAVY SEAL DEPLOYMENT DURING IRAQ VISIT
By James LaPorta On Wednesday, December 26, 2018 - 18:13
donald trump, navy, seal, iraq, video
President Donald Trump and First Lady Melania Trump greet members of the U.S. military during an unannounced trip to Al Asad Air Base in Iraq on December 26, 2018. In the photograph, Lieutenant Commander Kyu Lee poses for a picture with the president after saying he was the chaplain for SEAL Team Five, a U.S. Navy special operations unit based out of Coronado, California.
PHOTO: SAUL LOEB/AFP
President Donald Trump and the White House communications team revealed that a U.S. Navy SEAL team was deployed to Iraq after the president secretly traveled to the region to meet with American forces serving in a combat zone for the first time since being elected to office.
While the commander-in-chief can declassify information, usually the specific special operations unit is not revealed to the American public, especially while U.S. service members are deployed. Official photographs and videos typically blur the individual faces of special operation forces, due to the sensitive nature of their job.
The president’s video posted Wednesday did not shield the faces of special operation forces. Current and former Defense Department officials told Newsweek that information concerning what units are deployed and where is almost always classified and is a violation of operational security.
He put the men in mortar danger.
Traitor
WTF?
Oh, Dear God!
He's going to get us all killed!
~Marilyn~
Malcolm Nance, a former U.S. Navy intelligence specialist with experience in Iraq told Newsweek on Wednesday that posting the video was a break from traditional procedures that are usually strictly enforced and designed to safeguard the identities of U.S. special operation forces, especially when deployed to a combat zone.
“Operational security is the most important aspect of personnel deployments. The real names, faces, and identities, of personnel involved in special operations or activities, are usually a closely held secret in a combat zone,” Nance said. “Revealing them casually, through an unusual media exposure even if it’s the commander in chief, would prove a propaganda boom if any of this personnel are detained by a hostile government or captured by a terrorist group. There would be no denying who you are and what you do.”
When I saw that he was going to visit the troops in Iraq.
But instead of thanking the soldiers who have been risking their lives to protect us, he gave a campaign speech.
Then, in complete disregard for the Security and safety of the soldiers. He took selfies and posted them on the internet. The president’s video posted Wednesday did not shield the faces of special operation forces.
The real names, faces, and identities, of personnel involved in special operations or activities, are usually a closely held secret in a combat zone,”
Scott, if he has the guts to address this problem, he will blame the Fake News and the Democrats.
malcolm nance? really alky?
LOL.
this fucking guy is so cray cray he makes dr. ford look sane.
he's the one who recently told us that the russia, russia, russia, stole the election thingy started 20 years ago.
and just so you know, i get a regular dose of this MSDNC fuckstick on my local NPR affiliate. he's part of a TDS afflicted roundtable of 'experts' who, in days of old, would constitute a sideshow of freaks at a carnival. he lives not too far from me just outside of Hudson, NY in case you'd like to pay him a visit sometime.
every president in recent memory who has visited the troops overseas has posed with them, served them dinner, intermingled with them and allowed themselves to be photo'd and filmed.
but NOW, because it's TRUMP, it's suddenly a fucking problem.
ance said for 20 years the Russian have been running a disinformation campaign against the U.S. so we would "welcome" an invasion. Nance said for Trump it started at least in 2011 and that the Russians targeted Mueller and black voters in an effort to aid Trump.
"What Russia has done here and where the true brilliance of this intelligence operation comes from is way back in the early 2000s the Russian military conducted a strategic study and started carrying out a disinformation plan in which they said that instead of carrying out kinetic warfare against your enemies, the best thing we can do is create a disinformation and frame around that nation to the point where over time as we are constantly tearing them apart and feeding them with false information, they would actually welcome an invasion. So Russia has done that to the United States," Nance claimed.
Nance said "memes and tropes" used in the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign were the equivalent of "cruise missiles."
"It began way before 2016," the theorist said. "As a matter of fact, the earliest references I have with relation to Donald Trump shows that it started back in 2011 with Maria Butina and the NRA contacts, contacts with the fundamentalist Christian right and the alt-right in the United States. Russia was pushing these disinformation themes then."
"Then in 2013, they stood up the Russian Federation Internet Research Agency which built all of these memes and tropes which became the cruise missiles of fake news and disinformation designed to do what it did today, take one-third of the United States population and make them refuse to believe what they see before their very eyes and may have elected a president in the process," he said.
Nance said with American assistance the Russian campaign helped "suppress" the black vote and there is no doubt in his mind or those in the intelligence community that this is the truth.
"This is how effective this information warfare campaign has been carried out," Nance said. "And let me tell you, this report shows how they went after to suppress the African-American vote and there`s no doubt in my mind or anybody else`s in the intelligence community that doesn`t believe that it took American citizens to assist them in really getting down to where these voters were who needed to be suppressed and they did it in such a fashion, one of their Twitter groups had 366,000 followers on it."
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/12/18/malcolm_nance_russia_ran_a_disinformation_campaign_for_years_so_us_would_welcome_an_invasion_under_trump.html
if you're taking pointers from this walking fucking clown car, you have probably sailed way past stage IV TDS and have drifted into a state of mental illness that only the bravest psychiatrists dare to tread.
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DONALD TRUMP TWITTER ACCOUNT VIDEO REVEALS COVERT U.S. NAVY SEAL DEPLOYMENT DURING IRAQ VISIT
By James LaPorta On Wednesday, December 26, 2018 - 18:13
this laporta kid is a real piece of work.
James LaPorta, a U.S. Marine Corps veteran and independent journalist, has been indefinitely barred from accessing Camp Lejeune, a major Marine Corps base in North Carolina.
https://pressfreedomtracker.us/all-incidents/marine-corps-bans-journalist-camp-lejeune-base/
and his twitter feed reads like a profile in mental illness. iow's just like yours, alky.
A very conservative Senator tells us that he's the worst President in recent history.
mcstain was never a conservative, alky.
oh, you're referring to REPRESENTATIVE sanford. the guy who got caught banging some argentinian whore while claiming to be hiking the AT.
good reference, alky. when a "conservative" pops up on your radar, i can be certain that their credibility was shot a long time ago.
Trump in triumph just sends them over the edge.
Anonymous caliphate4vr said...
Washington Post Hints What Others Have Known: Jamal Khashoggi Was A Paid Qatari Intelligence Asset
watching the amazon post and the rest of the left preen with phony indignation over this scumbag was fun. once again, the truth eventually comes out and this time was no exception.
as they say in texas -
"this guy needed killin'."
On Oct. 3, one day after Khashoggi's death, while his fate remained uncertain, his researcher contacted The Post to say that he had a draft of a column that Khashoggi had begun writing before his disappearance. It was published two weeks later. [The likelihood that Khashoggi's last column was ghostwritten to take advantage of his disappearance by making him appear to be an Arabian Thomas Jefferson approaches certainty.]
streiff quotes Dave Reaboi of the Strategic Studies Group noting that it doesn't make sense for the Washington Post to reveal that the man they've been painting as a patriotic martyr for two months was in fact a shabby operative working for a government hostile to his native country except if the Washington Post knew that there were rumors about these texts and possible payments to Khashoggi and they sought to get ahead of a story they knew could no longer be suppressed.
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/378858.php
so the original khashoggi narrative was bullshit from start to finish and top to bottom...
...unexpectedly!
By December 2018—when the campaign had done great harm to the US-Saudi relationship and America’s alliances in the Middle East—Erdogan was publicly bragging about his part in this successful information operation, and as well he should. It caused tremendous damage to the Kingdom and the Crown Prince, but also elevated Turkey and Qatar and gave it leverage to use with the US and others.
Once President Trump released a robust statement supporting the US-Saudi alliance, intense political pressure was felt from anti-Trump forces in the American media, which pushed Democrats toward Qatar and Iran, and away from Saudi Arabia. Suddenly, the alliance had become a partisan issue; prominent Democrats in Congress began calling for a reevaluation of American policy toward the country. The intensity with which the Kingdom’s critics have attacked the US-Saudi relationship specifically points to more than just a target of opportunity. These critics could be placed into (at least) one of the following categories: (a) a pro-Iran position; (b) a pro-Islamist/Muslim Brotherhood position; and (c) anti-Trump. Often—as with the case of the Washington Post—it is a combination of all three.
Led by Sen. Chris Murphy and Elizabeth Warren, voices from the political left seemed to outdo each other in berating Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, with whom President Trump and members of his administration have warm relations. They are trying to use outrage over Khashoggi’s death to force a Saudi surrender in the war in Yemen; and end to arms sales, a break in US-Saudi relations, or even to depose Saudi Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman from his position in the Kingdom’s order of succession. This, of course, was the Qatari policy aim and the conclusion of a successful information operation.
https://securitystudies.org/jamal-khashoggi-and-qatar-in-the-echo-chamber/
so while trump was reluctant to rush to condemn and rightly so, the usual suspects on the left AND the right like lindsey graham just couldn't help themselves.
AMAZING MOMENT! US Soldier in Iraq Tells President Trump: “I Came Back into the Military Because of You”
so while trump was reluctant to rush to condemn and rightly so, the usual suspects on the left AND the right like lindsey graham just couldn't help themselves.
I don't blame them as much as the Bezos Post for sitting on the information to begin with.
: “I Came Back into the Military Because of you"
Gateway pundit....did sean spicer write this POS??????
AMAZING MOMENT! US Soldier in Iraq Tells President Trump: “I Came Back into the Military Because of You”
and trump replies:
"and i came here just so i could reveal your identity and put you directly in harm's way."
"malcolm nance said i wouldn't do it so i said "malcolm, hold my beer.""
Gateway pundit....did sean spicer write this POS??????
I'm guessing you didn't click on the video.
I'm guessing you didn't click on the video.
Yep cramps.... a box of rocks is smarter than you.....punking you is too easy.....LOLOLOLOL
Still getting your butt hurt by Sean Spicier?
Still getting your butt hurt by Sean Spicier?
Gee cramps, only took you 14 minutes to figure out you were punked.....LOLOLOLOLOL
Lying is second nature to all trumpists.....now he lies to the troops with a fake pay raise....wonder what they will think when there is nothing in that next paycheck....why is he such a scum bag????
Trump Brags To Troops About A Fictional Giant Pay Raise He Got Them
HuffPost Dave Jamieson,HuffPost 9 hours ago
President Donald Trump addresses military personnel at al-Asad airbase in Iraq. (SAUL LOEB via Getty Images)
During his first visit to a combat zone since assuming office nearly two years ago, President Donald Trump couldn’t help but take personal credit for a very generous and fictional pay raise for U.S. troops.
The president told service members at al-Asad air base in Iraq that he was proud to secure them a much-needed pay bump of “more than 10 percent” after years of stagnant wages. Many of the troops in attendance may have been surprised to learn they hadn’t seen a pay increase in more than a decade.
I would explained how you been punked everyday but it's too much free entertaining to pass up.
Yep.
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