I believe that the President and the GOP will likely take the brunt of the blame in the media. However, that still doesn't carry much weight in 2018, as most conservatives will brush that off as media partisanship and fake news.
The question is which core base will be willing to stick it out. There is no immediate election to worry about, and there will be more than enough time to temper the politics of this whole thing. I think it boils down to which side will blink.
The President and GOP had their eyes about 99% closed, but then stopped the full blink just in the nick of time. Does this make it more or less likely that they are ultimately the side that flinches? All that being said, this was the President's signature campaign promise. He is two years into his first term, and he still hasn't gotten a dime of real funding.
I can see this lasting a while.
58 comments:
Let's be clear here folks, this is not about a lousy five billion dollars
Yeah, OK....pay for it yourself...there's a go fund me page for assholes like you to put up or shut the fuck up...
Since it's only a lousy Five Billion bucks, you can put your money where your mouth is.
https://ca.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall
Sure guys...
Let's make all funding "pay as you go"!!!
We can also divvy up the current spending (that comes from my tax dollars) and let the population decide what projects get money. You want to bet as to whether or not enough people would be in favor of a wall that they wouldn't get 5 billion? That would be less than 0.15% of the fiscal budget. Gee if half of the country thought we should spend like a half percent on a wall, then they could probably fund a gold plated wall!
You really think Obamacare is like 100 times more popular than a wall? Liberals would run out of money so fast trying to divvy it all up!
For once I actually don't disagree with you.
With the exception of the tax cuts, he hasn't fulfilled any of his campaign promises. The justifications for the wall, are still revolting. They are racist and angry incorrect reasons for the wall.
Threatening to close the government over the funding of his wall is increasingly difficult to justify outside of his base voters.
He will not get the wall. But it is not going away. His tweets are not going away either.
If he continues with his behavior could actually lead to impeachment. Despite the Republicans have control of the Senate.
ace 'get's it:'
Trillions taken in taxes and we're forced, in desperation, to self fund a border wall. Of course, that effort will be stiff armed as well, probably through the courts.
I'm proud that we upset the apple cart with this last presidential election, but it appears to be just one more failed attempt to work through the system.
Guys, I don't think we're going to vote our way out of any of this.
By the way, I found this today. It's not directly related, but a perfect example of how the government consistently throws its resources to ne'er-do-well special interests while screwing the nose-to-the grindstone dirt people so reviled by the Ruling Class.
"Heart disease funding: $1.3 billion. Mortality rate: 1,202,319
Coronary heart disease funding: $431 million. Mortality rate: 536,339
AIDS/HIV funding: $2.9 billion. Mortality rate: 8,300"
https://report.nih.gov/categorical_spending.aspx
Ain't that something? The federal government spends more on AIDS/HIV research, an almost completely preventable disease that kills relatively few people in a mostly select group each year than it does on heart disease, a condition that kills about 1.7 million a year.
Go have yourself some unprotected butt sex with multiple strangers, and the entirety of the government will be working feverishly to come up with a solution to your self inflicted health crisis.
Dad has a heart attack due to the stress of company layoffs and...meh. Whatever. Learn to code if you manage to recover. And clean up your eating, asshole.
Let's shift back to the border wall.
"The chamber approved the measure to keep the government running into February by a 217-185 vote. But the path forward now is murky. The bill likely will not clear the Senate because it includes more than $5 billion for the border barrier, increasing the chances that funding for seven agencies lapses after the midnight Friday deadline."
$2.9 billion annually for AIDS funding = totally noncontroversial, not even worth mention, really.
$5 billion for border security = government shutdown.
Yeah, we're not voting our way out of this.
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/378801.php
old and busted: borders and national sovereignty
new hotness: save the pillow biters.
yeah, i think we're pretty much fucked and careening into "idiocracy."
at this point it's all about how we manage the decline.
You have been avoiding the Syrian withdrawal. You have not seen able to construct an approval of the decision.
Let's make all funding "pay as you go"!!!
Once again Lil Scotty shows no balls at all and tries to change the subject....You want a wall....than pay for a wall out of your own pocket...I'm sure donnie would love to donate the first 5 billion out of his pocket.....Yeah its only a paltry 5 billion or so to start....divide that by 320 million people and its only 15 bucks a head.....something about ACA, it does protect people, unlike the wall.....asshole
Not fulfilled his campaign promises? The wall is the only one not fulfilled.
Isis
NAFTA
Tax cuts
Paris accord
Job creation
Drain the swamp
To name a few
They are racist and angry incorrect reasons for the wall.
they are not at all.
you guys just like to call them that.
at the turn of the 20th century we had strict border and immigration policy. we managed quite tightly who got in and why. those who did get in assimilated, thrived, made significant positive contributions to their local communities and the nation as a whole.
then, back in 1965 when i was just a tot and just a few years before he murdered a woman, teddy kennedy looked out beyond our borders to the great expanse of third world shitholes.
and what did he see?
votes. lots and lots and lots of democrat votes.
so teddy then proceeded to loosen our immigration policy beyond recognition, instituting what would become a massive open borders policy in all but name.
fast forward to the present day and according to yale we're up to over 20 MILLION illegals. ALL of which broke our laws to get here, and many of which are committing violent felonies as we speak.
and in pursuit of those cherished democrat votes, we get shit like this:
On Monday, law enforcement said Garcia-Ruiz carried out a string of random acts of violence in Tulare County, including killing a stranger and shooting at others, before he died following a police chase in Porterville. Boudreaux said Garcia-Ruiz committed at least 11 different crimes during that rampage, and that a Lindsay Police Department investigation is showing “strong evidence” that Garcia-Ruiz may also be responsible for a homicide Sunday in Lindsay.
https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/crime/article223318080.html
you can call it whatever the fuck you want, alky.
but the reality is we need to seal the fucking border. we're being invaded. and your quest for a permanent democrat ruling majority is a fucking suicide mission for anyone with respect to our national sovereignty and the rule of law..
Roger Amick said...
You have been avoiding the Syrian withdrawal. You have not seen able to construct an approval of the decision.
well alky, i can only speak for myself, but there are those of us who can exist without a constant obsession over trump's latest decisions.
he's the C in C. he's the fucking boss. he's the decider. sane people accept that, and geopolitics does not rule our lives.
i don't consider myself enough of an expert on middle east policy to have an informed opinion. what i DO know is that i'm tired of seeing flag-draped caskets being unloaded at Dover, and the irony of a triple amputee veteran having to personally launch a campaign to fund a border wall is not lost on me.
trump is as much your president as your dear leader 0linsky was.
deal with it.
yeah, i think we're pretty much fucked and careening into "idiocracy."
Like lemmings led by idiots like you and the fucking asshole in the WH.....
at the turn of the 20th century we had strict border and immigration policy
And we still do in spite of another opinion you C+P'd because you think its relevant....again doing exactly as you keep ranting about to Roger....so sad and predictable...LOLOLOL
Can't see Trump backing down. If McConnell doesn't use the nuclear option then it's going to be a long shut down.
Democrats overplayed their hand again.
Trump has the veto.
Democrats don't have the votes to override.
Trump say he won't sign a bill without border funding.
McConnel won't send a bill Trump will veto.
All the senate need to do is approve the conference report.
Maybe McConnell just holds everyone over the Holidays until the spending bill is passed!
The Senate will open for business at noon
Trump has invited McConnell and other Republicans to the White House
Stupidass NY govt has a bill on Cuomo's desk that would mandate 3 months bereavement leave. Even for a grandparent.
Good grief, its no wonder NY has the largest population exodus in the nation. Not to mention businesses leaving.
And we still do in spite of another opinion you C+P'd because you think its relevant
uh no Fatty, they were screened at Ellis Island if they had contagions, they went back
But what about people who enter our country illegally? The CDC specifically cites the possibility of the cross-border movement of HIV, measles, pertussis, rubella, rabies, hepatitis A, influenza, tuberculosis, shigellosis and syphilis. Chris Cabrera, a Border Patrol agent in South Texas, warned: "What's coming over into the U.S. could harm everyone. We are starting to see scabies, chickenpox, methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus infections and different viruses." Some of the youngsters illegally entering our country are known to be carrying lice and suffering from various illnesses. Because there have been no medical examinations of undocumented immigrants, we have no idea how many are carrying infectious diseases that might endanger American children when these immigrants enter schools across our nation.
According to the CDC, in most industrialized countries, the number of cases of tuberculosis and the number of deaths caused by TB steadily declined during the 100 years prior to the mid-1980s. Since the '80s, immigrants have reversed this downward trend in countries that have had substantial levels of immigration from areas where the disease is prevalent. In 2002, the CDC said: "Today, the proportion of immigrants among persons reported as having TB exceeds 50 percent in several European countries, including Denmark, Israel, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, and Switzerland. A similar proportion has been predicted for the United States" (http://tinyurl.com/yca3y3zs). The number of active TB cases among American-born citizens declined from an estimated 17,725 in 1986 to 3,201 in 2015. That was an 80 percent drop. Data reported to the National Tuberculosis Surveillance System show that the TB incidence among foreign-born people in the United States (15.1 cases per 100,000) is approximately 13 times the incidence among U.S.-born people (1.2 cases per 100,000). Those statistics refer to immigrants who are legally in the U.S. There is no way for us to know the incidence of tuberculosis and other diseases carried by those who are in our country illegally and hence not subject to medical examination.
STOP LYING FOR ONCE
Trump stands up against child traffickers, drug smugglers, criminal gangs and democrats.
Stock Market surges.
MAGA
Trump Criticized For Breaking With Longstanding American Tradition Of Remaining In Middle Eastern Countries Indefinitely
WASHINGTON, D.C.—After Trump announced that US troops would be pulled out of Syria, the President was quickly criticized by leaders on both the left and the right for breaking with the longstanding American tradition of remaining in Middle Eastern countries indefinitely.
Trump drew ire from both sides of the aisle for his "careless and reckless" disregard for the beloved American custom of meddling overseas without a congressional declaration of war and then hanging around for another few decades.
"Occupying a country on the other side of the globe and staying there forever is an American pastime," said a CNN host. "For Trump to pull out when we haven't even been there a decade yet is a disgusting display of his selfishness and unwillingness to conform to the standards of presidential decorum."
"Has he no respect for our ways of life?" the host concluded gravely.
In a rare moment of unity, pundits on Fox News agreed. "We just need another 20 or 30 years in Syria, and we can accomplish our goals," said a morning host on the right-leaning news station. "He didn't even really give our soldiers a chance to settle in."
"This is America, for goodness' sake—land of the free and home of messing with other countries' affairs. I don't like criticizing the president, but he's way off on this one," he added.
I don't know what your thoughts are in regards to this column. But I agree 1000%.
Do you agree?
U.S. stocks erased early gains Friday, falling into negative territory as a week-long equity exodus put the major indexes on track for one of their worst weeks of the year.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average trimmed gains to 70 points after rising as much as 300 points earlier in the session.
Jesus, Mary and Joseph fled to Egypt.
Who knew, good job Speedy Gonzales Gutierrez
He's 100% correct.
‘There’s Going to Be an Intervention’
10:44 am
Washington Post:
“Inside the Oval Office on Thursday, Trump was in what one Republican close to the White House described as ‘a tailspin,’ acting ‘totally irrationally’ and ‘flipping out’ over criticisms in the media. The president’s decisions and conduct have led to a fracturing of Trump’s coalition. Hawks condemned his sudden decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria. Conservatives called him a ‘gutless president’ and questioned whether he would ever build a wall. Political friends began privately questioning whether Trump needed to be reined in.”
Said one former Trump administration official: “There’s going to be an intervention. Jim Mattis just sent a shot across the bow. He’s the most credible member of the administration by five grades of magnitude. He’s the steady, safe set of hands. And this letter is brutal. He quit because of the madness.”
Trump would have blocked it to keep his base happy.
Trump Worries Stock Market Slide Will Hurt Him In 2020
11:35 am
Washington Post: “The president has complained to aides about how unfair it is that he is blamed for the market’s slide and for growing unease about an economic slowdown in the months to come.
“And he has needled Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell about the pace at which the central bank has raised short-term interest rates. The lower the market drops, the more the president worries that he is losing his most potent argument for reelection.”
I have some hope that soon, that we will see an intervention like that of Barry Goldwater and Richard Nixon.
Pence would be a 1000% improvement over this President.
The POS "pastor" spammed
"Jim Mattis just sent a shot across the bow. He’s the most credible member of the administration by five grades of magnitude. He’s the steady, safe set of hands."
Why weren't you posting this when Obama fired him for disagreeing?
Why was the left calling him a "war monger" when Trump picked him?
Why was the left outraged when Trump increased troop levels from 500 to 2,000 in Syria in an "unauthorized" war.
Why were you cut-n-pasting spam back then what was the opposite of now when conditions are much more favorable now?
answer: well everyone except you knows
oops
JAMES'S FUCKING DADDY
ROFLMFAO !!!
Market gives up gains as Democrats dig in
A pullout would harm U.S. interests as well. It would shred America’s credibility as a counterterrorism partner world-wide, while abandoning a strategic area and making it harder to check jihadist, Iranian and Russian ambitions. Mr. Trump should make clear the U.S. stands with the Syrian Kurds and won’t permit a Turkish invasion. No one wants American troops to stay in Syria forever, but U.S. interests and honor demand that they stay for now.
The Cost of Betraying Syria’s Kurds https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-cost-of-betraying-syrias-kurds-11545350401
Menstra can shove it up his ass.
We should not abandon heroes.
The S&P 500 erased early gains Friday, falling into negative territory as a week-long equity exodus put the major indexes on track for one of their worst weeks of the year.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average rose 50 points in turbulent trading that sent the blue-chip index up as much as 300 points earlier in the day, only to trade in negative territory less than one hour later. The initial tick upward came as Federal Reserve Bank of New York President John Williams said that the central bank could reassess its interest rate policy and balance sheet reduction in the new year if the economy slows.
The President is responsible, not the Democrats
The Dow has shed another 1,250 points this week, and there don't appear to be any signs that the sell-off will be ending soon. In fact, three major hedge fund managers reportedly are worried about the possibility that Democrats will move to impeach President Trump in the next two years.
SORRY, DONALD, BUT--
McConnell Rejects Using Nuclear Option for Wall
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s (R-KY) spokesman says the Senate does not have enough votes to change its rules and pass border-wall funding with a simple majority, The Hill reports.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, a Republican of Kentucky, issued a strong statement following the resignation of Defense Secretary James Mattis, saying he is "particularly distressed that he is resigning due to sharp differences with the president on these and other key aspects of America’s global leadership."
His statement echoes Mattis' resignation letter when stressing the importance of maintaining US alliances.
"I believe it’s essential that the United States maintain and strengthen the post-World War II alliances that have been carefully built by leaders in both parties," McConnell said in his statement. "We must also maintain a clear-eyed understanding of our friends and foes, and recognize that nations like Russia are among the latter."
I see the POS "pastor" is still breathlessly and brainlessly posting directly from political liar.
** breaking ** another post
Last I checked the president has other options and the bully pulpit still.
I have a feeling we will see a "wall".
Small but important step to regaining a country.
Hopefully political liar will keep on topic
Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, 85, undergoes lung procedure to remove cancerous growth
The buzzards are circling
Can they bring a hospital bed into the court?
OOPS too late. What a brainless POS the "pastor" is.
Mattis has already been addressed.
Why didn't you answer any of the questions such as why when Obama fired him for disagreeing it was all right? and why the left called him a war-monger when Trump appointed him?
Oh, right, all you do is cut-and-paste.
ROFLMFAO !!!
Roger, for how many years and how many Americans have to die to protect Kurds?
Just asking.
Prayers for a complete recovery.
Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg had surgery Friday morning for two malignant nodules in her left lung, a Supreme Court spokeswoman said.
The 85-year-old Ginsburg is “resting comfortably” after the surgery, the spokeswoman said.
The surgery was performed at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in New York. The two nodules in the lower lobe of her left lung were discovered incidentally during tests performed at George Washington University Hospital after Ginsburg fell and broke her ribs on Nov. 7, the court said.
“Post-surgery, there was no evidence of any remaining disease,” the court said in a news release. “Scans performed before surgery indicated no evidence of disease elsewhere in the body. Currently, no further treatment is planned. Justice Ginsburg is resting comfortably and is expected to remain in the hospital for a few days.”
Ginsburg has had two bouts with cancer.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg has surgery for malignant nodules in her lung
https://wapo.st/2EHN2nm
How many Kurds have died to protect the United States against terrorism?
Just asking the genius.
Kurds aren't in the US protecting anybody and you refuse to answer the question.
If you really cared about the Kurds you would be dinging Barack Obama for failing to provide a permanent political solution to the Kurdish question.
Something he could have easily done by twisting Turkey's arm. But you're really more interested hating Trump than caring for any Kurd.
After all, you applauded the US bug out from Vietnam. Weren't too much worried about Vietnamise hero's then.
Trump promised Mexico would pay for it. People voted for that. Now those voters are paying for it out of their pockets. This is why we think they're stupid. I mean, PERFECTLY describes what we've been saying since Reagan.
A pullout would harm U.S. interests as well. It would shred America’s credibility as a counterterrorism partner world-wide, while abandoning a strategic area and making it harder to check jihadist, Iranian and Russian ambitions. Mr. Trump should make clear the U.S. stands with the Syrian Kurds and won’t permit a Turkish invasion. No one wants American troops to stay in Syria forever, but U.S. interests and honor demand that they stay for now.
The Cost of Betraying Syria’s Kurds https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-cost-of-betraying-syrias-kurds-11545350401
Menstra can shove it up his ass.
We should not abandon heroes.
Read the full article in the Wall Street Journal.
Obama is not the President now.
Trumpism demands intellectual dishonesty and you have a stage four brain cancer.
After all, you applauded the US bug out from Vietnam. Weren't too much worried about Vietnamise hero's then.
And then came the Khmer Rouge because we cut and ran 2.5 million were slaughtered
We are in Syria because of Obumble trying to save face after Assad shit on his red line
Roger is too chicken-shit to answer the question so he repost the same C&P artical and tells people to shove it up their ass.
That's how Roger rolls, and why people are not taking him seriously.
Didn't Obumble spend an ass load of money to train like 20-30 Free Syrian Army members
The day that President Trump ordered the withdrawal of American troops from Syria, the Islamic State claimed that it had set off a bomb in Raqqa, the group’s former capital, killing a Kurdish fighter.
It was a small, isolated attack, but the Islamic State’s boast was a canny assertion of the stakes in the American withdrawal — and an indication that the group was looking forward to exploiting a changed reality in Syria.
The United States withdrawal announced Wednesday is seen by analysts as an abandonment of America’s key allies in Syria, the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces, and a boon for the Islamic State — which still controls territory in southeastern Syria, is believed to still have thousands of fighters there and has continued to carry out attacks.
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The withdrawal is also expected to give a green light to Turkey to carry out its threatened invasion of northeastern Syria, a move likely to draw Kurdish forces from the fight against the Islamic State in the southeast.
Whether or not the Islamic State can rebound, after being driven out of most of its territory in Iraq and Syria, for now it is the Kurdish minority that is caught in the middle.
The Kurdish leaders of the Syrian Democratic Forces refrained from reacting to the announced withdrawal immediately, with many saying they were waiting to learn the details.
But Alan Hassan, a Kurdish journalist based in Qamishli, Syria, said the Kurds were simply stunned.
“We are shocked,” he said in an email. “The atmosphere here is so negative.”
Analysts were even less restrained.
Asli Aydintasbas, a senior fellow with the European Council for Foreign Relations, said the United States was on the “verge of another historic betrayal of the Kurds,” which could lead to a prolonged battle inside Syria between the Kurds and the Turks, who consider the Kurds a threat to their government.
A lot more Kurdish fighters have already died in the effort to destroy ISIS than the United States has lost. The costs of war are atrocious.
A lot more Kurdish fighters have already died in the effort to destroy ISIS than the United States has lost. The costs of war are atrocious.
Kiss my ass
A pullout would harm U.S. interests as well. It would shred America’s credibility as a counterterrorism partner world-wide
we've regained the anti-terror credibility 0linsky pissed away and plus some.
we've given enough blood and treasure to fight radical moose-limb-ism, alky.
how about may, merkel and macron step up?
oh, that's right... great britain just found a jihadist not guilty of going on a lil jihad because he had a case of the sadz.
our credibility is fine.
our allies credibility? HA!
The costs of war are atrocious.
Which is why I'm not thrilled about spending the next 100 years in Syria.
So if you really feel that way, get off your flat-footed ass and go volunteer in the Kurdish army.
Otherwise, kiss my ass.
Anonymous caliphate4vr said...
Didn't Obumble spend an ass load of money to train like 20-30 Free Syrian Army members
five hundred million dollars to be exact.
0linsky was so fucking feckless in the face of ISIS they should've awarded him an honorary membership.
alky,
i'm curious...
do you have a nervous tic or tourette's or something?
you keep copy/pasting the same shit multiple times.
stuff that hardly makes sense the first time you post it doesn't gain anything by posting it 5 times.
goddamn alky, you really are a fucking mess.
hey alky, talk to us again about US credibility on fighting radical ragheads...
A man who attacked police with a sword outside Buckingham Palace while repeatedly screaming Allahu Akbar has been found not guilty of preparing acts of terrorism.
Mohiussunnath Chowdhury, 27, told jurors his claims to support ISIS were 'in jest' and his attack was because he was 'depressed' and 'wanted police to kill him'.
They unanimously acquitted the Uber driver, who lashed out at three officers on August 25 last year.
One of the officers said he had 'fought for his life' in the terrifying incident but a jury had failed to reach a verdict in June this year.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6512385/Uber-driver-not-guilty-plotting-terror.html
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