There is a lot of buzz about the fact that six Republicans broke lines to vote for the Pelosi/Democrat proposal, while only one Democrat broke lines to vote for the Trump/GOP proposal.
One of the major differences here is that the Democratic proposal was only a continuing resolution. In other words, six GOP Senators voted for a temporary funding of the Government through February 8th (at which point, the Government would shut down again and we would start this whole thing over again). That's only two weeks before we would be back at it.
Oddly, this was sort of the proposal that Lindsey Graham floated a couple of weeks back. Yet, he was not one of the Senators who voted for it today.
So since McConnell did not allow a so called clean spending bill for the entire fiscal year, it's impossible to know if any (much less all six) of these Republicans would promote the idea of more permanently reopening the Government without the President's demands for a wall.
Moreover, the threshold for a clean spending bill to pass (without money for the wall) would take sixty seven votes (two thirds of the Senate) to override the President's veto. That would mean that Democrats would need all six of these Senators to back them in a more permanent spending bill and then attract another fourteen GOP Senators.
Meanwhile, the Trump/GOP plan would require them to find about half that many additional Democrats. While two Republicans voted against the Trump plan today, it was because they believe he gave away too much (the whole Ann Coulter Amnesty deal). I could be wrong, but I have a gut feeling that these Senators could be swayed to vote "for" cloture even if they would vote against the actual bill.
All that being said, I am sure that the MSM and others will use today's vote a proof positive that the President is losing support. All this means to me is that we are no closer than we were last week to ending the stalemate. I strongly suspect we will be still talking Government Shutdown through February (if not into March).
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Trump said that he wants a down payment plan.
I'm McConnell and Schumer speak out in a few minutes we might actually see the Dreamers and the Democrats will get most of their demands.
It going to end today.
4:35 p.m.: White House says it wants ‘down payment’ on border wall
White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said in a statement that Trump would support a short-term funding bill only if it includes a “down payment”
Trump is talking now.
Mitch is negotiating now.
He's using the hurricane support is a good reason to stop the invasion.
He's claiming another problem with alternatives.
The Republicans lost six votes
A virtual invasion
Lying sack of shit.
He's exaggerating
And the people who are not getting paid can figure it out.
He's trying to figure out if Mitch and Chuck Schumer will have an agreement.
Now he's lying about smuggling women into the open borders, a fuck left turn
I know more about technology than any one else.
We need the wall . But the people who are not getting paid are supporting him.
Pierce of shit again lying asshole.
9 of 9 posts are from roger.
I always know when he's posting bullshit. He cranks up the volume.
The great loser Myballs thinned that ..
9 of 9 posts are from roger.
SO FUCKING WHAT!!!!!! Trump lies his way through life and you just slurp it up!!!
Trump Just Lost a Lot of Leverage on the Shutdown
Aaron Blake: “While the measure failed, the Republican crossovers are significant. Shutdowns are about both sides holding the line — and that’s especially the case on the GOP side. Trump is demanding $5.7 billion in border wall funding or he won’t reopen the government, but six GOP senators just served notice that they won’t hold that line with him.”
“They’ll emphasize that they all voted for both bills, including the one with Trump’s wall funding, and that they just want to see the government open again. But their votes can’t help but present a somewhat divided and irresolute Republican front — in contrast to a very united Democratic one. They’re all saying they won’t make the same demand Trump is making. And when it comes to past shutdowns, this is generally how things begin to head toward a conclusion.”
Chris Cillizza: “Those six senators openly defied the Republican President of the United States despite the fact — and this is important — they knew that the Democratic bill wasn’t going to get 60 votes.”
I was commenting live
McConnell and Schumer are still talking. Pelosi is out of the loop.
Pelosi isn't out of loop. Chuck and Nancy worked together before and they still are. Chuck wouldn't agree to something she won't like.
Trump sounded almost normal, but then he claimed the immigrants are a hostile invasion.
He is right they are, idiot .
Why is Roger so triggered?
My balls
"I always know when he's posting bullshit. He cranks up the volume."
Roger fancy himself as Walter Concrite.
"Live Feed".
"It going to end today." Alky
Really, is Polosi on board?
It going to end today.
Kerry in a landslide!
Matt Couch
🎙
@RealMattCouch
Paying Taxes to a Government that is representing foreigners instead of me is Taxation without representation.
Ryan Saavedra
@RealSaavedra
BREAKING: CNN reports that the Trump administration is preparing a draft proclamation to declare a national emergency on the southern border that identifies $7+ billion for the border wall.
Who could possibly have seen this coming? Maybe this will end soon, if not today (I'm rooting for Rodger)
The CNN report is (by most accounts) nothing new. They are simply rehashing a previous story about a something that the President considered weeks ago.
According to the Hill, AlahPundit and others, there is no actual evidence that the President has done anything recently (and certainly not today) on this idea of a National Emergency.
In fact, didn't he just shoot down the idea of a National Emergency?
Keeping in mind that nobody believed that either of these bills would come close to 60 votes (and neither did).
There was literally nothing really unexpected today.
“Local people know who they are, when they go for groceries and everything else,” Trump said. “They know the people, they’ve been dealing with them for years, and they work along.”
Did you actually watch the President today?
“Local people know who they are, when they go for groceries and everything else,” Trump said. “They know the people, they’ve been dealing with them for years, and they work along.”
His billionaire Secretary of Commerce said that they should just go to the bank and borrow money until they start getting paid again.
You're clueless about how much money these people make. Most of them don't make any where near you make. Or maybe as much as I do in retirement. They are going to food banks.
The President wants his campaign promises because if he folds, Rush Limbaugh and Hannity will explode. And you will too.
Go ahead and say I'm crazy with hatred for the President. I actually give a damn about how bad his policies are. He's wrong about this situation and you don't give a flying fuck
In fact, didn't he just shoot down the idea of a National Emergency?
No he didn't say that.
He said that it is a National emergency about caravans of families fleeing from murdering gangs. They are not coming here to commit crimes. Like our ancestors who came here to help themselves and contribute to the country.
He's wrong about this situation and you don't give a flying fuck because he's not a liberal.
It going to end today." Alky
Your prediction is running out of time.
I think he was live blogging about RBG
Roger Amick said...
I was commenting live
is that what that was?
i thought you were having a series of mini strokes like nancy palsi.
There was literally nothing really unexpected today.
but it was enough to trigger the clown prince of mahogany ridge.
January 24th,2019
"It going to end today." Alky
January 25th, 2019
"I still hope that it will end before the end of the month."
It is so easy to beat down drama Queen Alky.
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