President Trump, FOX News, and a woman I have been trying to have a rational discussion with, all fall back on an argument that brown people from south of our border are coming to murder us and rape our women as the reason we must have this WALL... What follows is part of my response to a woman named Laurie.
Statistics show that native-born Americans commit crimes at higher rates than immigrants. Therefore our communities would be proportionally safer if we had increased immigration.
You refer to "the tears of victims' families" as your sources. Because you have not cited sources nor responded with any specifics, I will try to help you out.
The pretty young woman in the photo I posted below is/was Mollie Tibbets. She was murdered in Iowa last summer by a migrant worker. President Trump and FOX news have politicised her tragic death to induce support for a wall based on an irrational fear of brown people from south of our border. Mollie's family strongly object to this use of her death in a political propaganda campaign.
Laurie, Please read this emotional and rational appeal from Mollie's father. https://amp-desmoinesregister-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.desmoinesregister.com/amp/1163131002?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQECAFYAQ%3D%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.desmoinesregister.com%2Fstory%2Fopinion%2Fcolumnists%2F2018%2F09%2F01%2Fmollie-tibbetts-father-common-decency-immigration-heartless-despicable-donald-trump-jr-column%2F1163131002%2F
Subscribe From Mollie Tibbetts' father: Don't distort her death to advance racist views ROB TIBBETTS | GUEST COLUMNIST | 1:39 pm CDT September 4, 2018
Never one to seek attention, father Rob Tibbetts says his daughter Mollie Tibbetts has an ability to connect with everyone she meets. LUKE NOZICKA, LNOZICKA@DMREG.COM Ten days ago, we learned that Mollie would not be coming home. Shattered, my family set out to celebrate Mollie’s extraordinary life and chose to share our sorrow in private. At the outset, politicians and pundits used Mollie’s death to promote various political agendas. We appealed to them and they graciously stopped. For that, we are grateful.
Sadly, others have ignored our request. They have instead chosen to callously distort and corrupt Mollie’s tragic death to advance a cause she vehemently opposed. I encourage the debate on immigration; there is great merit in its reasonable outcome. But do not appropriate Mollie’s soul in advancing views she believed were profoundly racist. The act grievously extends the crime that stole Mollie from our family and is, to quote Donald Trump Jr., “heartless" and "despicable.”
Make no mistake, Mollie was my daughter and my best friend. At her eulogy, I said Mollie was nobody’s victim. Nor is she a pawn in others’ debate. She may not be able to speak for herself, but I can and will. Please leave us out of your debate. Allow us to grieve in privacy and with dignity. At long last, show some decency. On behalf of my family and Mollie’s memory, I’m imploring you to stop.
Throughout this ordeal I’ve asked myself, “What would Mollie do?” As I write this, I am watching Sen. John McCain lie in state in the Capitol Rotunda and know that evil will succeed only if good people do nothing. Both Mollie and Senator McCain were good people. I know that both would stand up now and do something.
The person who is accused of taking Mollie’s life is no more a reflection of the Hispanic community as white supremacists are of all white people. To suggest otherwise is a lie. Justice in my America is blind. This person will receive a fair trial, as it should be. If convicted, he will face the consequences society has set. Beyond that, he deserves no more attention.
To the Hispanic community, my family stands with you and offers its heartfelt apology. That you’ve been beset by the circumstances of Mollie’s death is wrong. We treasure the contribution you bring to the American tapestry in all its color and melody. And yes, we love your food.
My stepdaughter, whom Mollie loved so dearly, is Latina. Her sons — Mollie’s cherished nephews and my grandchildren — are Latino. That means I am Hispanic. I am African. I am Asian. I am European. My blood runs from every corner of the Earth because I am American. As an American, I have one tenet: to respect every citizen of the world and actively engage in the ongoing pursuit to form a more perfect union.
Given that, to knowingly foment discord among races is a disgrace to our flag. It incites fear in innocent communities and lends legitimacy to the darkest, most hate-filled corners of the American soul. It is the opposite of leadership. It is the opposite of humanity. It is heartless. It is despicable. It is shameful.
Scott, you are the opposite of humanity, heartless and despicable.
We have the opportunity now to take heed of the lessons that Mollie, John McCain and Aretha Franklin taught — humanity, fairness and courage. For most of the summer, the search for Mollie brought this nation together like no other pursuit. There was a common national will that did transcend opinion, race, gender and geography. Let’s not lose sight of that miracle. Let’s not lose sight of Mollie.
Instead, let’s turn against racism in all its ugly manifestations both subtle and overt. Let’s turn toward each other with all the compassion we gave Mollie. Let’s listen, not shout. Let’s build bridges, not walls. Let’s celebrate our diversity rather than argue over our differences. I can tell you, when you’ve lost your best friend, differences are petty and meaningless.
My family remains eternally grateful to all those who adopted Mollie so completely and showered us with so much care, compassion and generosity. Please accept our desire to remain private as we share our loss. We love Mollie with all our hearts and miss her terribly. We need time.
Mollie Tibbetts' father Rob Tibbetts talks about the search for the missing 20-year-old University of Iowa student during an interview Thursday, Aug. 2, 2018, in Grinnell, Iowa. Mollie Tibbetts' father Rob Tibbetts talks about the search for the missing 20-year-old University of Iowa student during an interview Thursday, Aug. 2, 2018, in Grinnell, Iowa.
"In the United States since the 9/11 attacks, 455 jihadist terrorists have been charged or convicted or died before they faced trial."Not one of these terrorists crossed the southern border." Peter Bergen
From Mollie Tibbetts' father: Don't distort her death to advance racist views
Mollie Tibbetts' father is a liberal. He's entitled to his own opinion but is doesn't change the fact that Mollie Tibbetts was murdered by an illegal alien.
And that her murderer was in the country as a direct result of the policies he supported.
My compassion stops short of support for child rapist. Your accusations are false and despicable.
You are heartless and despicable because you don't want dark skinned refugees to enter the United States. Because if they become citizens and vote Democratic.
Sunday Funny this is just humorous, not political.
Two deaf people get married. During the first week of marriage, they find that they are unable to communicate in the bedroom when they turn off the lights because they can't see each other using sign language.
After several nights of fumbling around and misunderstandings, the wife decides to find a solution. "Honey," she signs, "Why don't we agree on some simple signals? For instance, at night, if you want to have sex with me, reach over and squeeze my left breast one time. If you don't want to have sex, reach over and squeeze my right breast one time. "
The husband thinks this is a great idea and signs back to his wife, "Great idea, Now if you want to have sex with ME, reach over and pull on my penis one time. If you don't want to have sex, reach over and pull on my penis ... fifty times"
You are heartless and despicable because you don't want dark skinned refugees to enter the United States. Because if they become citizens and vote Democratic.
If find that amusing from someone who encourages poor people to make the dangerous trip accross the Mexican desert in the company of drug cartel criminals and sex traffickers and then washes his hands of it when these people wind up dead, sick or raped.
Talk about heartless and despicable, look at yourself in the mirror.
If find that amusing from someone who encourages poor people to make the dangerous trip accross the Mexican desert in the company of drug cartel criminals and sex traffickers and then washes his hands of it when these people wind up dead, sick or raped.
it's because the votes of those who make it are worth that much to him.
that's how desperate the democrats ARE.
it's like the meme on this thread -
no borders walls no voter ID laws
...you figured it out yet?
Americans HAVE figured it out. this is how we got trump to begin with. what pisses off assholes like the alky is that we know his compassion is phony and that we understand his true motivation.
the path to a permanent democrat majority runs straight through the illegal immigration issue. any honest person, no matter which side of the issue they support, will admit this.
He still doesn't understand the FACT that legal immigrants have a lower crime rate than naturally born citizens. He keeps comingling illegal immigrants who by definition have already committed a crime.
He also ignores the FACT that something like 30 % of all illegal immigrants are sexually abused in the journey. Does he think that the illegal immigrants are committing these crimes or are the host Mexicans?
The FACT is the wall helps deter illegal immigration and allow for legal immigration to be orderly and controlled
The FACT is THE WALL WILL BE BUILT, the when is controlled by the Democrats.
A suspect associated with the MS-13 gang will be tried for allegedly paying for sex with a 14-year-old girl, then blackmailing her with video of the encounter.
Felix Silva-Zuniga, 52, has been scheduled to be tried in Montgomery County Circuit Court for allegedly paying the gang leaders $100 to allow him to have sex with a 14-year-old girl, recording a video of the act, and then blackmailing her into continued sexual relations using the footage.
the sexual abuse of children is the price others need to be willing to pay so that the alky can use open borders as a path to a permanent democrat majority.
- Legal immigrants commit the least amount of crime - Natural born citizens commit the next least amount of crime - Illegal immigrants commit crimes at a rate that is over double that of anyone else.
This is exactly why smart people would like to see us expand LEGAL immigration, while we simultaneous decrease ILLEGAL immigration.
Dumb people are used by politicians and led to believe that there isn't any difference or (as Roger has recently argued) that you cannot actually stop illegal immigration (so why bother).
Both are absurd lies, promoted by people who simply oppose what they used to support (because Trump is now President).
You have been continuing to lie about anything I say.
I strongly want use to expand LEGAL immigration, while we simultaneous decrease ILLEGAL immigration.
His fucking wall is not the best method to achieve our common goals. The ONLY reason you support the wall is because you hate liberals, no matter if you agree with them or not. The wall will not achieve the same results. It's a matter of policy. His motivation is to not the best way to move forward, it is to keep Rush Limbaugh happy. And in this case, YOU!
His fucking wall is not the best method to achieve our common goals.
upwards of 90% of the border patrol agents charged with patrolling our border disagree with you alky.
The ONLY reason you support the wall is because you hate liberals, no matter if you agree with them or not.
providing us with your daily dose of psychological projection, alky?
The ONLY reason you support the wall is because you hate TRUMP, no matter if you agree with him or not. what i'll give you credit for being smart enough to know, but what you refuse to admit is that a victory on this particular issue - a central issue to trump's campaign - cements his reelection prospects. THAT'S WHY you oppose the wall. any other reason that you offer is complete bullshit.
His motivation is to not the best way to move forward, it is to keep Rush Limbaugh happy.
geezus, i figured this tired old MSDNC/CNN/Huff Po talking point would've been shelved by now.
genius, it's not about keeping limbaugh happy. however, limbaugh does have an audience of up to 20 MILLION per week, so i'd say he does have his finger on the pulse of trump's base. iow's sport, there are few better than limbaugh for trump to gauge the sentiment of those responsible for his presidency.
His fucking wall is not the best method to achieve our common goals.
Then why did Schumer, Clinton, Obama and other Democrats support border barriers (to the tune of 700 miles and tens of billions) if it was such a bad idea?
Julie Kelly Just a refresher - The man who was head of the FBI when it opened up an investigation into President Trump per the NYT now is under criminal investigation himself:
And his attorney? One of the pro bono lawyers who represented Christine Blasey Ford and counseled her during her Capitol Hill testimony.
Can’t make this stuff up.
She's talking about Andrew McCabe of course...but, but, but Trump...
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President Trump, FOX News, and a woman I have been trying to have a rational discussion with, all fall back on an argument that brown people from south of our border are coming to murder us and rape our women as the reason we must have this WALL... What follows is part of my response to a woman named Laurie.
Statistics show that native-born Americans commit crimes at higher rates than immigrants. Therefore our communities would be proportionally safer if we had increased immigration.
You refer to "the tears of victims' families" as your sources. Because you have not cited sources nor responded with any specifics, I will try to help you out.
The pretty young woman in the photo I posted below is/was Mollie Tibbets. She was murdered in Iowa last summer by a migrant worker. President Trump and FOX news have politicised her tragic death to induce support for a wall based on an irrational fear of brown people from south of our border. Mollie's family strongly object to this use of her death in a political propaganda campaign.
Laurie, Please read this emotional and rational appeal from Mollie's father. https://amp-desmoinesregister-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.desmoinesregister.com/amp/1163131002?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQECAFYAQ%3D%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.desmoinesregister.com%2Fstory%2Fopinion%2Fcolumnists%2F2018%2F09%2F01%2Fmollie-tibbetts-father-common-decency-immigration-heartless-despicable-donald-trump-jr-column%2F1163131002%2F
By a friend I have known for 50 years now.
Most Americans blame the President.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
By a friend I have known for 50 years now.
Space aliens have landed.
Donald J. Trump was born in the United States.
Donald J. Trump claimed for over six years that President Obama was not born in the United States.
Yet a 90% majority of Republicans believe and strongly support the space alien named Donald J. Trump.
Space aliens have landed.
The Republicans have landed from outside the universe since Donald J. Trump decided to support Donald J. Trump.
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From Mollie Tibbetts' father: Don't distort her death to advance racist views
ROB TIBBETTS | GUEST COLUMNIST | 1:39 pm CDT September 4, 2018
Never one to seek attention, father Rob Tibbetts says his daughter Mollie Tibbetts has an ability to connect with everyone she meets.
LUKE NOZICKA, LNOZICKA@DMREG.COM
Ten days ago, we learned that Mollie would not be coming home. Shattered, my family set out to celebrate Mollie’s extraordinary life and chose to share our sorrow in private. At the outset, politicians and pundits used Mollie’s death to promote various political agendas. We appealed to them and they graciously stopped. For that, we are grateful.
Sadly, others have ignored our request. They have instead chosen to callously distort and corrupt Mollie’s tragic death to advance a cause she vehemently opposed. I encourage the debate on immigration; there is great merit in its reasonable outcome. But do not appropriate Mollie’s soul in advancing views she believed were profoundly racist. The act grievously extends the crime that stole Mollie from our family and is, to quote Donald Trump Jr., “heartless" and "despicable.”
Make no mistake, Mollie was my daughter and my best friend. At her eulogy, I said Mollie was nobody’s victim. Nor is she a pawn in others’ debate. She may not be able to speak for herself, but I can and will. Please leave us out of your debate. Allow us to grieve in privacy and with dignity. At long last, show some decency. On behalf of my family and Mollie’s memory, I’m imploring you to stop.
Throughout this ordeal I’ve asked myself, “What would Mollie do?” As I write this, I am watching Sen. John McCain lie in state in the Capitol Rotunda and know that evil will succeed only if good people do nothing. Both Mollie and Senator McCain were good people. I know that both would stand up now and do something.
The person who is accused of taking Mollie’s life is no more a reflection of the Hispanic community as white supremacists are of all white people. To suggest otherwise is a lie. Justice in my America is blind. This person will receive a fair trial, as it should be. If convicted, he will face the consequences society has set. Beyond that, he deserves no more attention.
To the Hispanic community, my family stands with you and offers its heartfelt apology. That you’ve been beset by the circumstances of Mollie’s death is wrong. We treasure the contribution you bring to the American tapestry in all its color and melody. And yes, we love your food.
My stepdaughter, whom Mollie loved so dearly, is Latina. Her sons — Mollie’s cherished nephews and my grandchildren — are Latino. That means I am Hispanic. I am African. I am Asian. I am European. My blood runs from every corner of the Earth because I am American. As an American, I have one tenet: to respect every citizen of the world and actively engage in the ongoing pursuit to form a more perfect union.
Given that, to knowingly foment discord among races is a disgrace to our flag. It incites fear in innocent communities and lends legitimacy to the darkest, most hate-filled corners of the American soul. It is the opposite of leadership. It is the opposite of humanity. It is heartless. It is despicable. It is shameful.
Scott, you are the opposite of humanity, heartless and despicable.
We have the opportunity now to take heed of the lessons that Mollie, John McCain and Aretha Franklin taught — humanity, fairness and courage. For most of the summer, the search for Mollie brought this nation together like no other pursuit. There was a common national will that did transcend opinion, race, gender and geography. Let’s not lose sight of that miracle. Let’s not lose sight of Mollie.
Instead, let’s turn against racism in all its ugly manifestations both subtle and overt. Let’s turn toward each other with all the compassion we gave Mollie. Let’s listen, not shout. Let’s build bridges, not walls. Let’s celebrate our diversity rather than argue over our differences. I can tell you, when you’ve lost your best friend, differences are petty and meaningless.
My family remains eternally grateful to all those who adopted Mollie so completely and showered us with so much care, compassion and generosity. Please accept our desire to remain private as we share our loss. We love Mollie with all our hearts and miss her terribly. We need time.
Mollie Tibbetts' father Rob Tibbetts talks about the search for the missing 20-year-old University of Iowa student during an interview Thursday, Aug. 2, 2018, in Grinnell, Iowa.
Mollie Tibbetts' father Rob Tibbetts talks about the search for the missing 20-year-old University of Iowa student during an interview Thursday, Aug. 2, 2018, in Grinnell, Iowa.
Scott, you are the opposite of humanity, heartless and despicable.
"In the United States since the 9/11 attacks, 455 jihadist terrorists have been charged or convicted or died before they faced trial."Not one of these terrorists crossed the southern border." Peter Bergen
I don't care if this is six months old.
It shows that the so called Sunday Funnies are the opposite of humanity, heartless and despicable.
From Mollie Tibbetts' father: Don't distort her death to advance racist views
Mollie Tibbetts' father is a liberal. He's entitled to his own opinion but is doesn't change the fact that Mollie Tibbetts was murdered by an illegal alien.
And that her murderer was in the country as a direct result of the policies he supported.
https://goo.gl/images/UE6oDL
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Scott, you are the opposite of humanity, heartless and despicable.
Because Roger believes child rapist deserve our compassion.
https://goo.gl/images/9j9CMj
To falsely accuse me of compassion for child rapists is proof that you are the opposite of humanity, heartless and despicable.
https://goo.gl/images/R4ifu7
https://goo.gl/images/4vZqU1
To falsely accuse me of compassion for child rapists is proof that you are the opposite of humanity, heartless and despicable
I am proud to say my compassion stops short of child rapist. If that make be heartless and despicable then so be it.
As for you? Well, you burn that bridge a while back.
My compassion stops short of support for child rapist. Your accusations are false and despicable.
You are heartless and despicable because you don't want dark skinned refugees to enter the United States. Because if they become citizens and vote Democratic.
Sunday Funny this is just humorous, not political.
Two deaf people get married.
During the first week of marriage, they find that
they are unable to communicate in the bedroom when
they turn off the lights because they can't see each other using sign language.
After several nights of fumbling around and misunderstandings, the wife decides to find a solution.
"Honey," she signs, "Why don't we agree on some simple signals? For instance, at night, if you want to have sex with me, reach over and squeeze my left breast one time. If you don't want to have sex, reach over and squeeze my right breast one time. "
The husband thinks this is a great idea and signs back
to his wife, "Great idea, Now if you want to have sex with ME, reach over and pull on my penis one time.
If you don't want to have sex, reach over and pull on my penis ... fifty times"
Secretary of Justice"
" milk cattle ranches"
"Trump Recession"
Alky can sure make them up.
You are heartless and despicable because you don't want dark skinned refugees to enter the United States. Because if they become citizens and vote Democratic.
If find that amusing from someone who encourages poor people to make the dangerous trip accross the Mexican desert in the company of drug cartel criminals and sex traffickers and then washes his hands of it when these people wind up dead, sick or raped.
Talk about heartless and despicable, look at yourself in the mirror.
If find that amusing from someone who encourages poor people to make the dangerous trip accross the Mexican desert in the company of drug cartel criminals and sex traffickers and then washes his hands of it when these people wind up dead, sick or raped.
it's because the votes of those who make it are worth that much to him.
that's how desperate the democrats ARE.
it's like the meme on this thread -
no borders walls
no voter ID laws
...you figured it out yet?
Americans HAVE figured it out. this is how we got trump to begin with. what pisses off assholes like the alky is that we know his compassion is phony and that we understand his true motivation.
the path to a permanent democrat majority runs straight through the illegal immigration issue. any honest person, no matter which side of the issue they support, will admit this.
liars like the alky won't.
Roger has a case of TDS unlike anyone else.
He still doesn't understand the FACT that legal immigrants have a lower crime rate than naturally born citizens. He keeps comingling illegal immigrants who by definition have already committed a crime.
He also ignores the FACT that something like 30 % of all illegal immigrants are sexually abused in the journey. Does he think that the illegal immigrants are committing these crimes or are the host Mexicans?
The FACT is the wall helps deter illegal immigration and allow for legal immigration to be orderly and controlled
The FACT is THE WALL WILL BE BUILT, the when is controlled by the Democrats.
A suspect associated with the MS-13 gang will be tried for allegedly paying for sex with a 14-year-old girl, then blackmailing her with video of the encounter.
Felix Silva-Zuniga, 52, has been scheduled to be tried in Montgomery County Circuit Court for allegedly paying the gang leaders $100 to allow him to have sex with a 14-year-old girl, recording a video of the act, and then blackmailing her into continued sexual relations using the footage.
https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/11/ms-13-pays-sex-trafficked-14-year-old/
the sexual abuse of children is the price others need to be willing to pay so that the alky can use open borders as a path to a permanent democrat majority.
Democrats were actually doing everything they accused Republicans of.
https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/12/alabama-false-flag-election/
Roger continues so show is gullibility.
- Legal immigrants commit the least amount of crime
- Natural born citizens commit the next least amount of crime
- Illegal immigrants commit crimes at a rate that is over double that of
anyone else.
This is exactly why smart people would like to see us expand LEGAL immigration, while we simultaneous decrease ILLEGAL immigration.
Dumb people are used by politicians and led to believe that there isn't any difference or (as Roger has recently argued) that you cannot actually stop illegal immigration (so why bother).
Both are absurd lies, promoted by people who simply oppose what they used to support (because Trump is now President).
You have been continuing to lie about anything I say.
I strongly want use to expand LEGAL immigration, while we simultaneous decrease ILLEGAL immigration.
His fucking wall is not the best method to achieve our common goals. The ONLY reason you support the wall is because you hate liberals, no matter if you agree with them or not. The wall will not achieve the same results. It's a matter of policy. His motivation is to not the best way to move forward, it is to keep Rush Limbaugh happy. And in this case, YOU!
What a fucking loser you have become.
Roger Amick said...
What a fucking loser you have become.
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His fucking wall is not the best method to achieve our common goals.
upwards of 90% of the border patrol agents charged with patrolling our border disagree with you alky.
The ONLY reason you support the wall is because you hate liberals, no matter if you agree with them or not.
providing us with your daily dose of psychological projection, alky?
The ONLY reason you support the wall is because you hate TRUMP, no matter if you agree with him or not. what i'll give you credit for being smart enough to know, but what you refuse to admit is that a victory on this particular issue - a central issue to trump's campaign - cements his reelection prospects. THAT'S WHY you oppose the wall. any other reason that you offer is complete bullshit.
His motivation is to not the best way to move forward, it is to keep Rush Limbaugh happy.
geezus, i figured this tired old MSDNC/CNN/Huff Po talking point would've been shelved by now.
genius, it's not about keeping limbaugh happy. however, limbaugh does have an audience of up to 20 MILLION per week, so i'd say he does have his finger on the pulse of trump's base. iow's sport, there are few better than limbaugh for trump to gauge the sentiment of those responsible for his presidency.
correction The ONLY reason you (support, natch) OPPOSE the wall
Blogger Roger Amick said...
My compassion stops short of support for child rapist.
but illegal undocumented democrats who murder Americans, especially police officers, are A-OK with you.
got it.
thanks alky.
From Mollie Tibbetts' father: Don't distort her death to advance racist views
ok.
mollie tibbets was murdered by an illegal alien.
100% factual, with no distortion.
Because if they become citizens and vote Democratic. "
Alky had a moment of honesty. Get the illegals in @ a cost of $175,000,000,000.00 a year.
Not accounting for the unreported rapes, robberies, thefts , drug sales and other Victimization of US Citizens.
His fucking wall is not the best method to achieve our common goals.
Then why did Schumer, Clinton, Obama and other Democrats support border barriers (to the tune of 700 miles and tens of billions) if it was such a bad idea?
Talk about "funny" stuff
Julie Kelly
Just a refresher - The man who was head of the FBI when it opened up an investigation into President Trump per the NYT now is under criminal investigation himself:
And his attorney? One of the pro bono lawyers who represented Christine Blasey Ford and counseled her during her Capitol Hill testimony.
Can’t make this stuff up.
She's talking about Andrew McCabe of course...but, but, but Trump...
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