Tuesday, February 19, 2019

For anyone still confused as to why Trump will at least win a portion of the border wall battle...

You should read this article from the blog "Lawfare". It's a fairly straightforward objective discussions of the facts. It doesn't pretend either way to filter this with any politics. It's neither pro-Trump or anti-Trump, and it avoids political rhetoric.

In other words, it's just a plain and simple explanation of the law.

For those who are not fully informed, the President did not just declare a national emergency, but he actually wrote three executive orders. While it seems clear that there will be litigation regarding the so called National emergency (which is $3.6 billion of the additional monies Trump is moving towards the wall), there is almost no basis for anyone to contest the other two orders

From the article:
First, according to the fact sheet, $601 million would come from the Department of the Treasury Forfeiture Fund, an account that is fed by money seized by the U.S. government in connection with law enforcement actions or generated by the sale of seized assets. No national emergency declaration is needed to tap these funds. 31 U.S.C. § 9705(g)(4)(B) authorizes the Forfeiture Fund to use the funds for specific purposes outlined in that section:
After reserving any amount authorized by paragraph (3)(C) and after transferring any amount authorized by paragraph (3)(A), any unobligated balances remaining in the Fund on September 30, 1994, and on September 30 of each fiscal year thereafter, shall be available to the Secretary, without fiscal year limitation, for transfers pursuant to subparagraph (A)(ii) and for obligation or expenditure in connection with the law enforcement activities of any Federal agency or of a Department of the Treasury law enforcement organization. (Emphasis added.)
In other words, after reserving funds to provide for the next year’s fiscal operations, remaining funds (“unobligated balances”) are available in connection with the law enforcement activities of any federal agency—including the Department of Homeland Security or any other agency that may be involved with building the wall. While Congress must periodically reauthorize the fund, the money in the fund does not “expire” like normal appropriated funds do. Rather, the funds are what’s called a “permanent indefinite appropriation” provided by Congress.
Second, the fact sheet indicates that $2.5 billion would come from funds authorized pursuant to 10 U.S.C. § 284, which likewise does not depend on a declaration of emergency. This statute authorizes the secretary of defense to “provide support for the counterdrug activities or activities to counter transnational organized crime of any other department or agency of the Federal Government or of any State, local, tribal, or foreign law enforcement agency” for the purposes set forth in the section if requested by another federal agency or state, local or tribal government in support of law enforcement efforts. Those purposes include, among other things, “[c]onstruction of roads and fences and installation of lighting to block drug smuggling corridors across international boundaries of the United States” (emphasis added). Presumably the administration has decided the wall, or at least parts of it, is really a “fence”—and as such that these funds will be available for the project.
Regarding the amount of funds available pursuant to 10 U.S.C. § 284, the fiscal 2019 Department of Defense appropriations bill provides for only $881,525,000. It is not clear where the balance of the $2.5 billion would come from. Funds would presumably need to be transferred or reprogrammed from other sources pursuant to other authorities. Congressional staff were told on Feb. 15 that the administration is currently working on exactly how that would be done.
So ultimately, the President should be able to add an additional $1.5 billion dollars to the $1.4 provided by Congress by doing nothing other than following the law.  Not only would it be perfectly legal to do so, but it seems almost prudent that the President would use money set aside for drug enforcement on building a southern border barrier.

Where arguments (and legal actions) might occur is in regards to where the additional 2.5 billion might come from (regarding 10 U.S.C. § 284) and of course the actual declaration of a national emergency.

In terms of the national emergency, this article suggests:
Third, $3.6 billion would be drawn from the Department of Defense military construction budget. 10 U.S.C. § 2808(a) provides:
“[i]n the event of a declaration of war or the declaration by the President of a national emergency in accordance with the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.) that requires use of the armed forces, the Secretary of Defense, without regard to any other provision of law, may undertake military construction projects, and may authorize the Secretaries of the military departments to undertake military construction projects, not otherwise authorized by law that are necessary to support such use of the armed forces. Such projects may be undertaken only within the total amount of funds that have been appropriated for military construction, including funds appropriated for family housing, that have not been obligated.” (Emphasis added.)
This is the only portion of the funds that requires the declaration of a national emergency. One of us (Taylor) evaluated this authority in detail on Lawfare last month.
Congress estimates the Pentagon has $21 billion in already-appropriated funds for military constructions projects as of November 2018, appropriated since fiscal 2015. While a large portion of these projects are awarded and in progress, the administration would presumably seek to avoid disrupting ongoing projects—though they could delay some projects to make money available for the wall. The Department of Defense has indicated to congressional staff that it does not intend to include family housing projects in the evaluation of projects that could be delayed.
In other works, Congress authorizes money for the Pentagon for military constructions, but ultimately it's up to the Pentagon to decide where that money is spent. The President (as ultimate boss of all executive branch agencies) would have constitutional authority to make certain determinations as how the 21 billion will be spent, at least under the pretense of a national emergency.

This, of course, is quite different from the rhetoric that Congress has some sort of authority/responsibility/duty to micromanage all appropriate funding. But it's sort of refreshing to read something "factual" that relies on the statutes and laws, rather then read partisanship, rhetoric, and political misdirection that we are used to.

There is some additional information as to where they believe these orders are most vulnerable (not surprisingly they see the most potential problems with the appropriations of funds coming from 10 U.S.C. § 2808). Although like most other objective legal scholars they do not believe that challenging the concept of a national emergency has much chance of success. They see more issues with whether or not a border barrier can be considered a military operation, and expect litigation to follow down that path.

They seem to suggest (without making any specific predictions) that when the dust settles that it will be a mixed bag of legal results, but that ultimately the goal from the opposition will be about delaying the building of the wall, rather than actually preventing it.

Time will tell.

60 comments:

Anonymous said...



i cannot believe that you are so dismissive of the 25th amendment which clearly states that when a plurality of pussy hat wearing liberals have determined that the president is no longer fit for office because #resistance, then we will skip over vice president pence and go straight to coronating speaker pelosi as president who will then surrender the presidency and declare hillary clinton the president who then in turn reinstates nancy pelosi as speaker and we all live happily ever after.

the end.

Commonsense said...

Really with the clown car of Democrats running for president I don't see how Trump does not win in a landslide.

Anonymous said...

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So we have now spent years on this Russia investigation essentially because McCabe and Rosenstein could not get over the firing of James Comey even after Rosenstein wrote the memo to fire him. So they hired their own special counsel to get rid of the president. It’s clear now.

3:10 PM - 17 Feb 2019

https://twitter.com/Mark_Penn/status/1097272035141734400

Anonymous said...



Really with the clown car of Democrats running for president I don't see how Trump does not win in a landslide.

two things i've learned in my life following politics -

never underestimate the power of free shit...

...or the sheer stupidity of the American electorate.


in 2012 part of me was thinking that there was no fucking way in hell that 0linsky was going to get re-elected.

but a bigger part of me kept referring to those two things i've learned.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

BREAKING: Sen. Bernie Sanders, independent of Vermont, announced Tuesday he is launching a bid for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination, hoping to reignite the ardent progressive support of his insurgent 2016 campaign.

cowardly king obama said...

Guess the dems don't have enough candidates so an "independent" jumps in.

and a Socialist at that.

Guess that settles For anyone still confused as to why Trump will at least win a portion of the border wall battle...

Anonymous said...



Guess the dems don't have enough candidates so an "independent" jumps in.

and a Socialist at that.



captain free shit joins the fray and an imbecile calls it "BREAKING."

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...
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Anonymous said...




Nancy Pelosi Says ‘Happy Thanksgiving’ During Border Security Bill Signing On Valentine’s Day

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019/02/14/nancy-pelosi-happy-thanksgiving-valentines-day-border-wall-bill-signing/


but it's trump who's not fit for office.


Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The legality aside, this is as unnecessary expenditure of taxpayer dollars. It will provide very little additional security.

It was just an appeal to racist minority, but necessary percentage, to get him elected.

anonymous said...

rrb said...
Mark Penn

Asshole and gigantic asshole....!!!!!!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...
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Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Irrationality defined.


rrbFebruary 19, 2019 at 6:28 AM


i cannot believe that you are so dismissive of the 25th amendment which clearly states that when a plurality of pussy hat wearing liberals have determined that the president is no longer fit for office because #resistance, then we will skip over vice president pence and go straight to coronating speaker pelosi as president who will then surrender the presidency and declare hillary clinton the president who then in turn reinstates nancy pelosi as speaker and we all live happily ever after.

the end.

Anonymous said...




it's called mockery, alky.

the target was you, and i hit the fucking bullseye.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The problem is, that you believe the Democrats would turn into Trump style Republicans.

If the President declares a national emergency if the Democrats win the general election for President in 2020, that the Democratic winner is a threat to the country, and declares himself President for the next four years, you would be cheering from the rafters.

Anonymous said...




If the President declares a national emergency if the Democrats win the general election for President in 2020, that the Democratic winner is a threat to the country, and declares himself President for the next four years, you would be cheering from the rafters.


i don't know what this means.

anyone here speak alky? i'm in need of a translator.


national emergency, democrat, win, threat, declare, rafters.

yeah....

i got nothin'.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Former acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe told NBC's "Today" show on Tuesday that President Donald Trump's public blasting of him has been "horrific" for him and his family.

"It's been horrific to endure the threats and taunts of the president in such a public way," he added. "It's been incredibly tough on my family."


The president has repeatedly attacked McCabe on Twitter after he interviewed with CBS's "60 Minutes." Trump called McCabe "a big part of the Crooked Hillary Scandal & the Russia Hoax — a puppet for Leakin' James Comey."


Trump continued to tweet about McCabe all throughout the holiday weekend.

Speaking with NBC, McCabe said, "No one really takes the president's tweets seriously." The former FBI official added that Trump has been "lying" about the former top FBI official and his family for years.


In that CBS interview, which aired in full on Sunday, McCabe said he ordered obstruction of justice and counterintelligence investigations into Trump after he fired James Comey as FBI director, and said Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein had discussed the possibility of removing Trump through the 25th Amendment in addition to wearing a wire during a future conversation with the president.

In a statement Thursday, the Justice Department disputed McCabe's assertions in the interview, calling his recollections "inaccurate and factually incorrect."

McCabe disputed the DOJ pushback in his Tuesday interview with NBC and also mentioned that he informed congressional leaders — including Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and then-House Speaker Paul Ryan — of the counterintelligence investigation shortly after he opened it.

"No one objected," McCabe said. "Not on legal grounds not on constitutional grounds and not based on the facts."

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Go back to school and take English as a second language.

anonymous said...

rrb said...

yeah....

i got nothin'.

The most correct statement you have evah made ass breath....LOLOLOLOL

Anonymous said...

Lol, Broken News dead feed Alky.

You are only 10 hours late, again.

You're fellow socialist already said.

"
JamesFebruary 18, 2019 at 9:14 PM

Sanders Will Announce White House Bid Tomorrow
February 18, 2019 at 9:44 pm EST By Taegan "

Anonymous said...

I would say Roger is a day late and a dollar short, but, he doesn't have a dollar.

anonymous said...

This asshole should be hung with trumps dick hanging out his mouth.......

Roger Stone Posts and Deletes Photo of Judge With Crosshairs
Time Tara Law,Time 15 hours ago


Embattled political consultant Roger Stone on Monday posted and later deleted a photo of the federal judge presiding over his criminal court case with a crosshairs graphic looming over her head.

Stone, a longtime Trump ally, pleaded not guilty on Jan. 29 to charges of lying to Congress, obstruction and witness tampering. Those charges arose as a result of the ongoing investigation into Russian election meddling.

In a caption accompanying the Instagram post, Stone attacked U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson as an “Obama appointed judge.” Jackson was nominated by President Barack Obama in 2011 and confirmed by the Senate 97-0.

Anonymous said...




"No one objected," McCabe said. "Not on legal grounds not on constitutional grounds and not based on the facts."

uh huh.

and sane people do not believe you because you are a fucking liar.

i hope your life is a living hell.

i hope you and your family are completely ruined.

i hope you're driven to suicide.

you don't get to pull the shit that you pulled and have any fucking peace, you piece of shit. you're a traitor. a just society would be constructing your gallows on capitol hill.




Anonymous said...

The bats are flying in the Alky's head today.

"Blank blah, If the President declares a national emergency if the Democrats win the general election for President in 2020, that the Democratic winner is a threat to the country, and declares himself President for the next four years, you would be cheering from the rafters., blah, blah, bla blah."

Commonsense said...

"Socilisim is a failed economic system."

Preasident Donald Trump

anonymous said...

The goat fucking asshole said...


You are only 10 hours late, again.

SO FUCKING WHAT!!!!!!! And you keep proving that you have the intellectual capacity of a gnat......idiot...

Mark Lutchman said...


@marklutchman

Anyone else find it weird that the Pope objects to Trump’s wall but not Governor Cuomo’s new abortion law he signed?

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Dennis, did you notice that none of the regular assholes don't dispute my comment.

If the President declares a national emergency if the Democrats win the general election for President in 2020, that the Democratic winner is a threat to the country, and declares himself President for the next four years, you would be cheering from the rafters.

Because they are praying for it to come true!

anonymous said...

Anonymous Mark Lutchman said...

@marklutchman


And who gives a fuck what Mark Lutchidiot has to say.....!!!!


Roger, none of the regular assholes have the temerity to discuss actual facts with anyone...Like all of trumps staff....he has surrounded himself with YES men.....including the senate .....just like his family business so he can run over anyone who works for him....please note his family and in laws in such power positions and under the thumb of daddy.....such a despicable group of chicken shits....just like Lil Jimmy who is afraid of his own shadow.....LOLOLOL

Anonymous said...

Roger, no need to dispute your insanity , it fails on its own.

Like you do.

Rep. Matt Gaetz said...


@RepMattGaetz

Democrats in the Judiciary Committee just voted against notifying ICE when an illegal alien fails a background check to buy a gun. They hate ICE so much that they'd keep ICE in the dark when illegals try to get guns!

American Voters said...

You really think your silly scenario deserves a response??

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...

Dennis, did you notice that none of the regular assholes don't dispute my comment.



for two reasons alky -

1. it's not a rational serious comment made by a rational serious person. anyone who blathers on about the 25th amendment with regards to this president is not to be taken seriously.

2. you cannot even sense the irony of your comment. perhaps it's more psychological projection.

an actual coup has been staged against a sitting president, and you think the real threat is trump declaring an emergency that he cannot declare using an emergency act that could not apply, in an attempt to stay in office in the event a democrat wins.

i'm a big fan of the rule of law so no, i'm not hoping your literal impossibility comes true.


your comment can be summed up as follows:

"trump is going to seize power and stay in office forever!!!11!"

only a liberal assclown can imagine this as a realistic possibility.





thebradfordfile™ said...


@thebradfordfile

I spent this holiday weekend with some friends who watch MSNC. They believe the Russian collusion hoax and that our President is some type of Putin stooge. It was fascinating to listen to them—and scary. They have lost all sense of reason.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Friend,

First Donald Trump said he’d build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. When he couldn’t close the deal, he shut down the government—a move that hurt federal workers and cost us billions.

Now he’s trying to get his wasteful wall funded by declaring a fake “national emergency.” It's a desperate power grab that could divert billions from our military.

It could even be unconstitutional.

It’s time for Congressional Republicans to do their jobs and stand up to the President.

Add your name and join me in calling on them to stand up to Donald Trump's dangerous abuse of power.

Let's be real. Donald Trump never really had an immigration plan. He had an empty campaign slogan he used over and over again to divide us and spread fear.

Enough is enough. We don't need more fear mongering. We need real solutions that actually strengthen and secure our borders.

Will you join me in demanding Congressional Republicans to stand up to Donald Trump's dangerous emergency declaration?

Thanks,


Debbie Stabenow
United States Senator

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

CommonsenseFebruary 19, 2019 at 8:33 AM
"Socilisim is a failed economic system."

Preasident Donald Trump

Menstra strikes out again!

Anonymous said...

Will you join me in demanding Congressional Republicans to stand up to Donald Trump's dangerous emergency declaration?

Thanks,


Debbie Stabenow
United States Senator





no, you insufferable feckless cunt.





John Binder said...

U.S. Taxpayers Fund Border Walls in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Middle East

American taxpayers are continuing to fund border security measures and border walls in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Egypt, and Lebanon with President Trump’s signing of a Department of Homeland Security (DHS) spending bill.
While the United States-Mexico border received only $1.3 billion for construction of a border wall at the overwhelmed southern border with soaring illegal immigration, foreign countries are getting help from American taxpayers to secure their borders.

The Republican-Democrat spending bill signed by Trump last week provides Pakistan with at least $15 million in U.S. taxpayer money for “border security programs” as well as funding for “cross border stabilization” between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

In total, the spending bill provides about $6 billion in American taxpayer money to finance foreign militaries, some of which can be used by Lebanon to “strengthen border security and combat terrorism.”

Commonsense said...

I think I triggered Roger again.

cowardly king obama said...


Protesters take over Border Patrol museum, deface pictures of fallen agents

Dozens of demonstrators occupied and vandalized a privately owned U.S. Border Patrol museum near El Paso, Texas, over the weekend, according to the site's top official.

Museum director David Ham told the Washington Examiner his staff and guests worried for their safety Saturday when a group of about 50 rowdy protesters entered the facility, defaced property, and refused to leave the grounds.
"Say it loud, say it clear, Border Patrol kills!" group members standing inside and outside the facility yelled.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/protesters-take-over-border-patrol-museum-deface-pictures-of-fallen-officers

caliphate4vr said...

"trump is going to seize power and stay in office forever!!!11!"

it's the same shit the liver said about W

anonymous said...

it's the same shit the liver said about W

That all you got loser?????/ BWAAAAAAAAA!!!! Cue another sophomoric diatribe of stupidity.....LOLOLOLOL

anonymous said...

Anonymous John Binder said...
U.S. Taxpayers Fund Border Walls in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Middle East

Which proves what....congress approved the monies unlike trumps wall???????

Adam Gingrich said...


Mueller Time? It’s Running Out…

Robert Mueller was tasked with the awkward, if not outright impossible mission of creating a crime that never happened. Worse, his very mission was conceived and prompted by his protege, James Comey, in order to justify, or cover up, what appears to be a conspiracy of historic proportions. Everything that has happened since is all a reverse engineering operation to legitimize an unethical and perhaps illegal government intrusion into a Presidential campaign. So many lines have been blurred, bent and crossed, that an exhaustive review is not only onerous, it’s an exercise in futility.

http://wickmediaproductions.com/2018/06/06/mueller-time-its-running-out/

Anonymous said...

it's the same shit the liver said about W

yup, you're right. it is.

the alky is the jussie smollett of the impending GOP fascism that never seems to arrive.

Lori Hendry said...

Lori Hendry
‏@Lrihendry

My guess is If Mueller found a dead body in Hillary‘s car, he would have Trump arrested and ask why he did it.

Anonymous said...

I think I triggered Roger again."CS

I know you did. He is a fully radicalized Polosi/Cortez/Harris Socialist.

Devious Donald said...

Lawsuit Quotes Trump at Press Conference

From the lawsuit filed by 16 states opposing President Trump’s declaration of a national emergency:

At a press conference announcing the Executive Actions, President Trump acknowledged that Congress provided more than enough funding for homeland security, and that the Administration has “so much money, we don’t know what to do with it.” In explaining his rationale for the Executive Actions, the President candidly admitted that the emergency declaration reflected his personal preference to construct the wall more quickly, rather than an actual urgent need for it to be built immediately: “I could do the wall over a longer period of time. I didn’t need to do this. But I’d rather do it much faster.”

Andrew McCabe said...

‘Gang of Eight’ Did Not Object to Trump Probe

Former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe told NBC News that the “Gang of Eight,” the congressional leaders regularly briefed by the executive branch on classified issues, did not object to the counterintelligence investigation into President Trump and his possible ties to Russia.

Said McCabe: “That’s the important part here, no one objected. Not on legal grounds, not on constitutional grounds and not based on fact.”

American voters said...

We Don’t See an Emergency on the Border

“More than 6-in-10 Americans disapprove of President Trump’s decision to declare a national emergency so he can build barriers along the U.S border with Mexico,” a new NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll finds.

“Nearly 6-in-10 also don’t believe there is an emergency at the southern border and that the president is misusing his presidential authority. They also believe that his decision should be challenged in court.”

anonymous said...


We Don’t See an Emergency on the Border

But trump, lindsey graham the the feckless spineless R senate all say there is great danger!!!!! CH, cramps and ass breath all suck along......

Generating an astounding 38 million views (so far), Ocassio-Cortez said...

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1093601038622281728

C.H. Truth said...

Dennis, did you notice that none of the regular assholes don't dispute my comment.

You were serious?

C.H. Truth said...

“More than 6-in-10 Americans disapprove of President Trump’s decision to declare a national emergency so he can build barriers along the U.S border with Mexico,” a new NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll finds.

Does anyone remember when Obamacare was so unpopular that Ted Kennedy's Senate Seat went to a Republican, because even the Massachusetts electorate wanted to block the law?

Anonymous said...

Does anyone remember when Obamacare was so unpopular that Ted Kennedy's Senate Seat went to a Republican, because even the Massachusetts electorate wanted to block the law?


yup. remember it like it was yesterday. close to 90% of insured american adults loved their health insurance and did not want it fucked with.

the wall is our 0linsky-care. if the left doesn't like it, too fucking bad.

Reasonable commentator said...

Unlike healthcare, the Trump wall will grow more an more unpopular.

anonymous said...

Funny how you right wing assholes forget this

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2013/09/25/how-unpopular-or-popular-is-obamacare/?utm_term=.ff98b999ec25

By Glenn Kessler
September 25, 2013
“Today, the constitutional conservatives in the House are keeping their word to our constituents and our nation to stand true to our principles, to protect them from the most unpopular law ever passed in the history of the country — Obamacare — that intrudes on their privacy and our most sacred right as Americans to be left alone.”

— Rep. John Culberson (R-Tex.), Sept. 20, 2013

“CNN, CNBC in separate polling show 59 — the same number in both polls — 59 percent of the American people support Obamacare, and even a larger number of people think the government shutdown is the worst idea that ever came along.”


Seems obama care was a lot more popular that the fucking stupid wall....What ever happened to those constitutional conservatives who went ape shit on the ACA and now embrace trump hijacking the congress and their lawfully passed budgets.....so many idiots slurping at once!!!!

JAMES'S FUCKING DADDY said...

"The Border Wall is gaining popularity despite a media onslaught

It is the right thing for America

And will be a foundation for TRUMP 2020 !!!

C.H. Truth said...

Denny

Are those the same pollsters that had Hillary winning the Presidency by double digits? You know the ones that showed her ahead by well outside the margin of error in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin?

Sorry slick... but nobody with half a brain should really fall back on these pollsters anymore to tell us anything obvious.

Anonymous said...

Not one of the Socialist Three Stooges of CHT have stated the changes in their own life they will make today to comply with the New Green Deal..

Roger admit he is going to continue to Eat Beef.

Fatty Fails are Epic.

Jane is afraid Ozone Cortez will continue to appear on every Socialist sympathizing Show.

I am delighted by the woman. Great lips, low iq, gets drunk a lot.